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[Muhammad Afzal]

Sorry I miss all the action. But I am here now and INSHALLAH will try to expose the truth and lies because I know them and their tactics very well. I was once[FONT=&quot]"A DIE HARD BARELVI", full of Bidat and Shirk from Head to toe. May Allah forgive my sins of Jahaliya. In my thirty years of life as a Bidati i never seen a Deobandi running but you can say the other way round is the pure truth. But after seeing the truth i still blindly followed them, as is the case with some of my inncoent friends here. So before somebody post these kinds of verses just put your facts right. [/FONT] بھاگ گیا
رہا نہ دیوبندی کا دیوبندی
منہ چھپا کے بھاگنے والے

Now my humble request to all the supporters of Tahir Ul Qadiri, can u ask your peer sahib to answer few simple question of mine, which i posted on page two of this thread. I wonder how everybody here fell for a typical barelvi tactics by getting away with the original point of concern. We have talked a lot about Dreams now lets come to the real issue of "THE CONTENT OF THE DREAM by Tahir Qadri". He uttered Blasphemous words against Muhammd SWM, for which he will be answerable on the day of judgement;

[FONT=&quot]1) Hadarat Muhammad SWM needs this -adri's assistant to buy return ticket to Madina?
2) He SWM needs him to be his host for food and shelter?
3) Does Prophet SWM have worldly desire to eat and drink?
4) In His SWM life He SWM lead a life with two two stones tied on His SWM stomach, and now He SWM needs food to eat?
5) Why did Muhammad SWM came to Pakistan, when it is reported in sahi hadeet that who so ever recite Darood on Him SWM it is taken to HIM SWM.[/FONT]

 

[Serving Islam]

Elections or Electoral System?

Elections or Electoral System? http://www.pat.com.pk/intikhabat-2008/01.htm

 

[shah sb]

good effort keep it up.may ALLAH bless you.

 

[Abdul Haadi]

Best man for the Job, very well said. We don't Q. of any other politician's school of thought of religion so why him. Try not to be bias and listen to him as a politician or a well wisher of the country if you love Pakistan.

May Allah bless us all
Long Live Pakistan

 

[khan125]

Dosrey pe ungli uthaney se pehley apney gareban main jhank lena chahiey

Sorry I miss all the action. But I am here now and INSHALLAH will try to expose the truth and lies because I know them and their tactics very well. I was once[FONT=&quot]"A DIE HARD BARELVI", full of Bidat and Shirk from Head to toe. May Allah forgive my sins of Jahaliya. In my thirty years of life as a Bidati i never seen a Deobandi running but you can say the other way round is the pure truth. But after seeing the truth i still blindly followed them, as is the case with some of my inncoent friends here. So before somebody post these kinds of verses just put your facts right. [/FONT] ???? ???
??? ?? ??????? ?? ???????
??? ???? ?? ?????? ????

Now my humble request to all the supporters of Tahir Ul Qadiri, can u ask your peer sahib to answer few simple question of mine, which i posted on page two of this thread. I wonder how everybody here fell for a typical barelvi tactics by getting away with the original point of concern. We have talked a lot about Dreams now lets come to the real issue of "THE CONTENT OF THE DREAM by Tahir Qadri". He uttered Blasphemous words against Muhammd SWM, for which he will be answerable on the day of judgement;

[FONT=&quot]1) Hadarat Muhammad SWM needs this -adri's assistant to buy return ticket to Madina?
2) He SWM needs him to be his host for food and shelter?
3) Does Prophet SWM have worldly desire to eat and drink?
4) In His SWM life He SWM lead a life with two two stones tied on His SWM stomach, and now He SWM needs food to eat?
5) Why did Muhammad SWM came to Pakistan, when it is reported in sahi hadeet that who so ever recite Darood on Him SWM it is taken to HIM SWM.[/FONT]

First of all its a dream so dreams are different from reality you can see the example of the dream of the king of egypt if you read the incedent of Hazrat Yousaf a.s.

1-In reply to your first question i ask you Does Allah needs your assistance to spread his religion.Does Allah needs angel's assistance to do all the work.I hope you would have understood the flaw in your question.this objection is invalid.

2-I think you are trying to mix things by using the word "need".better word would be "wants" .

3-Well if you consider Him Human then as a human He has ,he liked dates(khajoor) ,milk ,meat ,kaddu sweat dish.I don't know why have you asked such a baseless question.

4-that is stupid reason you are giving ..........i can only laugh at it.......if you have a proof that he never eat in his life(which you will never find) then you can object on this part ,otherwise i have explained it in point 3.

5-Well if thats your argument then why you think that Allah is hazir nazir as wahi was brought by Jebraiel..........?
And how can you relate the event that happened at Koh E toor ........?
the hadyt is still valid it does not conside with the hadyt.................you forget its a dream.

haan if you have some deobandi barelvi issue which can be seen from your comments then pehley apney garebaan me jhanko kuch videos share kr raha ho ye daikh lena.

aik sawal he mera tum se k Imam bukhari ki bukhari shareef likhey ki kia khaas vaja he????

 

[ghias]

Was Pakistan Awami Tehreek ever the third largest political party in Pakistan ? May i know any parliamentarian from Pakistan Awami Tehreek in any assembly in past and present. Dr Tahir Ul Qadri was hopeful to become the strong political force in 2002 elections in Musharaf regime but suddenly he disappeared from political scene. Any one knows where is this party these days ? I heard this party name in the video posted above after a very very long time .Please do let me know . thanks

 

[Muhammad Afzal]

First of all its a dream so dreams are different from reality you can see the example of the dream of the king of egypt if you read the incedent of Hazrat Yousaf a.s.

1-In reply to your first question i ask you Does Allah needs your assistance to spread his religion.Does Allah needs angel's assistance to do all the work.I hope you would have understood the flaw in your question.this objection is invalid.

2-I think you are trying to mix things by using the word "need".better word would be "wants" .

3-Well if you consider Him Human then as a human He has ,he liked dates(khajoor) ,milk ,meat ,kaddu sweat dish.I don't know why have you asked such a baseless question.

4-that is stupid reason you are giving ..........i can only laugh at it.......if you have a proof that he never eat in his life(which you will never find) then you can object on this part ,otherwise i have explained it in point 3.

5-Well if thats your argument then why you think that Allah is hazir nazir as wahi was brought by Jebraiel..........?
And how can you relate the event that happened at Koh E toor ........?
the hadyt is still valid it does not conside with the hadyt.................you forget its a dream.

haan if you have some deobandi barelvi issue which can be seen from your comments then pehley apney garebaan me jhanko kuch videos share kr raha ho ye daikh lena.

aik sawal he mera tum se k Imam bukhari ki bukhari shareef likhey ki kia khaas vaja he????

That’s the best you have come up with. Do you, let me say again DO YOU UNDER STAND SIMPLE PLAIN ENGLISH??????????. I told you I WAS one of you and I know these tactics of avoiding the real issue. I will not fall for it. I am asking you about how the day begins you are telling me how the night fell. Let me share a similar incident with you which will help you understand your real problem.
I was in discussion with a die-hard barelvi, in a gathering. All of a sudden he came up with this; “Ahle Hadees are Ahle ----” (I don’t want to mention that)
I asked him What about Barlevi they do Shirk, Bidats and qabir parasti what do you call them Maha --------.”
Immidiatley he replied Hazarat Ali Hajeveri (RA) Was a Hanafi/Sunni (see his tactics how he moved from Barelvism to Hanafi and Sunnism, which I believe barelvi’s have nothing to do with Hanafiism) so u are calling him that. I said Naozo Billah how can u utter that words for some one because of whom I am muslim today.
Than I used the same tactics as yours, (relating something that was irrelevant but what can I do, it’s a saying Do as the Romans do when in Rome)
I asked him, Ahle Hadees do the Rafaideen, and Hazarat Ghulam Qadir Jillani (RA) did the refaideen in his entire life that means indirectly you said same thing against him, or for that matter your Ghaus Pak. That day till today he never argued with me again. Coming back on the topic.

Let me show you what I asked and what you replied. Print it out and take it to your teacher see if he gives any marks on it.

Q1) Hadarat Muhammad SWM needs this -adri's assistant to buy return ticket to Madina?
A1)In reply to your first question i ask you Does Allah needs your assistance to spread his religion.Does Allah needs angel's assistance to do all the work.I hope you would have understood the flaw in your question.this objection is invalid.

Q2) He SWM needs him to be his host for food and shelter?
A2-I think you are trying to mix things by using the word "need".better word would be "wants" .

Q3) Does Prophet SWM have worldly desire to eat and drink?
A3-Well if you consider Him Human then as a human He has ,he liked dates(khajoor) ,milk ,meat ,kaddu sweat dish.I don't know why have you asked such a baseless question.

Q4) In His SWM life He SWM lead a life with two two stones tied on His SWM stomach, and now He SWM needs food to eat?
A4-that is stupid reason you are giving ..........i can only laugh at it.......if you have a proof that he never eat in his life(which you will never find) then you can object on this part ,otherwise i have explained it in point 3.

Q5) Why did Muhammad SWM came to Pakistan, when it is reported in sahi hadeet that who so ever recite Darood on Him SWM it is taken to HIM SWM.
A5-Well if thats your argument then why you think that Allah is hazir nazir as wahi was brought by Jebraiel..........?
And how can you relate the event that happened at Koh E toor ........?
the hadyt is still valid it does not conside with the hadyt.................you forget its a dream.

I was trying to be simple in my question, fully Knowing your ability that what you will reply. Let me rephrase it in more simple language. Muhammad SWM coming into Tahir Qadri’s dream and saying these things, what a shame. Does Muhammad SWM needs an aeroplane to come to Pakistan and go back to Madina, after His SWM Death. And on top of that He SWM needs to buy air tickets, and that too through Tahir Qadri. (shame ) How can He SWM needs worldly things as food and shelter after HIS SWM death. Than if He SWM needs those things after HIS SWM death what about other things that humans beings require after eating and drinking the call for nature.

Tahir Qadri can say all these things about his dreams while sitting in the Majilis of JAAHILS. And please for God sake don’t send me these videos, I have been listening him live when you were not even born, so I know Tahir Sahib very well. I know what agenda he is working on.

Regarding your Aik sawal, come on man grow up, go type it on google and you will get the answer. That’s why I never quote any Hadees because I know what Cut and Paste is going on in this forum. More over I did my grade 5 in 1976 or so. So this question seems much higher than my level.

(aik sawal he mera tum se k Imam bukhari ki bukhari shareef likhey ki kia khaas vaja he????)

Brother apart from all these, my humble request to you is study the deen yourself, don’t follow blindly to your peer, your leader. Allah has given you brain and Allah commands us in the Quran that one must contemplate into my creation and try to unfold it. See where the world is heading to. Your salvation lies in your own hand, and not in your peers hand. As Prophet Muhammad SWM in His SWM last days addressed in Masjid Nabawi, while HIS SWM daughter and (AUNT) Pophi were listening to it. He SWM said let my Daughter and Pophi know that Muhammad SWM will not be of any help to them, but their own good deeds will save them on the day of judgement. ( Allah knows the best) Read your self the history of Islam, see who did what for the Islam. Read every thing with open mind, and InshAllah Allah will guide you as Allah guided me. Want to share your thoughts with me, PM me and we can discuss. May Allah protect you and entire Ummah from all evils.

 

[khan125]

That’s the best you have come up with. Do you, let me say again DO YOU UNDER STAND SIMPLE PLAIN ENGLISH??????????. I told you I WAS one of you and I know these tactics of avoiding the real issue. I will not fall for it. I am asking you about how the day begins you are telling me how the night fell.

Please don't try to become my daad yahan equality pe baat kr saktey ho to behtr he me aap se lecture leney nhi aya agr aapko lecture deney ka shoke he ya ye samhajtey ho k aap barey naik perhaizgaar or aalim ho to apney paas rakho mujhey aapki zaat aapke aamal aapke ilm se kuch lena dena nhi sambhal k rakho apney paas.jo insaan k paas hota he vo nazar ajata he apney mun mia mitho ban ney ki koshish na kro i dont think isey koi morally acha samjha jata he..................

You don't know me who i am what i think and you are saying you were one of us ......sounds stupid how can you say that..............even if you consider me a barelvi (which i don't) if you were a barelvi than why the hell are you telling me that is that going to change the truth.

tactics............apney garebaan me daikho kia stupid sawal kiaey hain tum ne sirf apnee zati bughz ki vaja se ore baat kr rahey ho tactics ki.

"ouron ko nasiat khud mian fasiat"

jao ja kr deobandion ki kitabain parho unkey khabo se bhari hoee hain................

"jinkey apney ghar sheeshey k hoon unhain doosro k ghar pathar nhi marney chahien"

jisko "night fell" ka pata ho usey "day begins" ka b pata ho ga thori science b parh letey to raat din k mutallik kuch maloom ho jata.

If someone only asks about how the "day begins" avoids how the "night falls" then you can understand how educated that person is ,or what motive that person has in his mind.

Let me share a similar incident with you which will help you understand your real problem.
I was in discussion with a die-hard barelvi, in a gathering. All of a sudden he came up with this; “Ahle Hadees are Ahle ----” (I don’t want to mention that)
I asked him What about Barlevi they do Shirk, Bidats and qabir parasti what do you call them Maha --------.”
Immidiatley he replied Hazarat Ali Hajeveri (RA) Was a Hanafi/Sunni (see his tactics how he moved from Barelvism to Hanafi and Sunnism, which I believe barelvi’s have nothing to do with Hanafiism) so u are calling him that. I said Naozo Billah how can u utter that words for some one because of whom I am muslim today.
Than I used the same tactics as yours, (relating something that was irrelevant but what can I do, it’s a saying Do as the Romans do when in Rome)
I asked him, Ahle Hadees do the Rafaideen, and Hazarat Ghulam Qadir Jillani (RA) did the refaideen in his entire life that means indirectly you said same thing against him, or for that matter your Ghaus Pak. That day till today he never argued with me again. Coming back on the topic.

Totally irrelevant ..................No argument can be based on a self written story.........
isterha ki norey ore gaamey ki me aapko kaiee kahania suna deta hoo jiska maqsad

"AAPNEY AAP KO BARA AALIM FAZIL ZAHIR KRNA OR MUKHALIF KO GHATIA ORE JAHIL SABIT KRNA HO"

hasiat kia he is kahani ki............kisi daleel pe baat krain koi solid argument ho......isterha ki farzi kahanio se koi cheez sabit nhi hotee.....

Let me show you what I asked and what you replied. Print it out and take it to your teacher see if he gives any marks on it.

I think you need a teacher maulana jahil sahab zara ghore krain ye khaawab he haqeeqat nhi me ne aapko hawala b dia tha hazrat yousaf a.s k wakiey ka jis me misr k badshah ne khwab dekha tha.

Koi aik hadyt koi aik Quranic reference le aien jis se aap isko ghalat sabit kr sakain.

Q1) Hadarat Muhammad SWM needs this -adri's assistant to buy return ticket to Madina?
A1)In reply to your first question i ask you Does Allah needs your assistance to spread his religion.Does Allah needs angel's assistance to do all the work.I hope you would have understood the flaw in your question.this objection is invalid.

Aalim Fazil sahab agar aap meree sawal ka jawab detey to vohi aapkey sawal ka jawab b tha.

Mujhey herat hotee he aik taraf to aap argue kr rahey hain k Huzur s.a.w ko tahir ul qadri ki assistance ki zroorat kaisey parh gaiey(.............ye zehn me rakhtey hoey k ye wakia khwaab ka he.) lakin doosri taraf aap is baat pe kion sawal nhi uthatey k Allah ko farishto ki zroorat kion parh gaiee ???????????? KIA ALLAH hr cheez pe Qadir nhi.

Tahir ul qadri sahab k khawab ka to abi zikr hoa kia is se pehley isterha k sawal kion nhi pochey jatey ye bacho vali logicain na larao..............k hava pattey ko hilatee he Ya Allah hilata he...........grade 5 k baad b kuch parh letey to behtr tha.

Khud to jesey pedaishee haq le kr aiey ho sawal krney k hmain sawal krna mana he .......................tumharee adato se lagta he police valey ho sirf pochney k aadee ho.......vesey b jawab deney k liaey kuch ilm chahiey hota he.

Q2) He SWM needs him to be his host for food and shelter?
A2-I think you are trying to mix things by using the word "need".better word would be "wants" .

AAlim Fazil sahab ye khawb he pata nhi aap k sarr pe kion itni sawar ho gaee agar aap is thread me jitna likha ja chka he vo parh lain to aapko samhaj ajaiey gee lakin "AAP TO ME NA MANOON PE DATEY HOEY HAIN"
ye to khawab he Allah haqeeqat me kehta he k tum meree madad karo me tumharee madad karonga..............???????????
is ko kia quran se nikal do ge kionkey Tahir ul qadri ko ghalat sabit krna he tum ne.

Q3) Does Prophet SWM have worldly desire to eat and drink?
A3-Well if you consider Him Human then as a human He has ,he liked dates(khajoor) ,milk ,meat ,kaddu sweat dish.I don't know why have you asked such a baseless question.

straight forward jawab he jin cheezo ka main ne zikr kia he kaho k vo Huzur s.a.w ko pasand nhi thee ja kr koi evidence le kr ao.phir me b evidence lata ho iskey favour main.

Mera tum se jawabi sawal he kia tum hzur s.a.w ko insan nhi mantey???????

Q4) In His SWM life He SWM lead a life with two two stones tied on His SWM stomach, and now He SWM needs food to eat?
A4-that is stupid reason you are giving ..........i can only laugh at it.......if you have a proof that he never eat in his life(which you will never find) then you can object on this part ,otherwise i have explained it in point 3.

Me challenge krta hoon ye baat sabit krdo k Huzur s.a.w ne sari zindagi do/2 pathar pait pe baandh kr guzari sari zindagi lagey raho sabit nhi kr sako gey.jhoot ki b koi hadd hotey ha.

Aalim fazil mian ye b kisi gazwah ka vakia he sari zindagi ka nhi.

vo jo grade 5 me tumhain parhata tha tumhara aakhri teacher vo b tumhara ye sawal sun k panchvien ka certificate vapis le le ga.

Q5) Why did Muhammad SWM came to Pakistan, when it is reported in sahi hadeet that who so ever recite Darood on Him SWM it is taken to HIM SWM.
A5-Well if thats your argument then why you think that Allah is hazir nazir as wahi was brought by Jebraiel..........?
And how can you relate the event that happened at Koh E toor ........?
the hadyt is still valid it does not contradict with the hadyt.................you forget its a dream.

where in the hadyt it says that no pakistani can see Him in his dream.???????
where in hadyt it is written that in a dream He cannot go to pakistan????????
kia tum khuda bun gaiey ho jo apni taraf se verdict de rahey ho hadyt me to koiee aisee baat nhi

I was trying to be simple in my question, fully Knowing your ability that what you will reply. Let me rephrase it in more simple language.

Doosro ki fikr na kro i am using computer since 1992 and internet since 1995.........
jesey koi dehati suit pehn leta he to apney aap ko koi toup samhajna shuru kr deta he lagta he k kisi paindo ne 5 jamatain parh hi lee hain jo baraa itra raha he apni taleem pe.

Does Muhammad SWM needs an aeroplane to come to Pakistan and go back to Madina, after His SWM Death.And on top of that He SWM needs to buy air tickets, and that too through Tahir Qadri.

Bhai merey to kia khwaab main jahaz pe baithney pe pabandi he???????????

Ya kisi deobandi ne fatwa diya hoa he k khwab me jahaz ka safar krna haram he??????

Ya kisi deo..... ne fatwa de diya he k jo log dunya se parda farma gaiey hain vo khwab me nhi asaktey?????????????

Ya kisi ne ban lagaya hoa he k kisi ko khwab me pakistan atey hoey daikhna mana he????????

Khwab me kia ticket le k dena kufr he???????????

kis cheez pe aiteraaz he tumhain...................tumhain sirf tahirul qadri se bughz he ye khwab tumhain aya hota to phir jaiz tha.

ye btao k kia tum plan kr k khwab daikhtey ho k ye daikhna he ye nhi daikhna khwab he koi movie nhi k drictor apni marzi se script change kr raha he????????

How can He SWM needs worldly things as food and shelter after HIS SWM death. Than if He SWM needs those things after HIS SWM death what about other things that humans beings require after eating and drinking the call for nature.

zara tameez se jb Huzur s.a.w k barey me guftagu kia kro to zuban sambhal k guftagu kia kro.................tumharey andr itna gand hi agar bhara hoa he to buktey raho tahir ul qadri pr lakin Huzur s.a.w k barey main aisee batain na likhtey hoey sharam anee chahey tumhain...........

shayad umer ziada ho gaee he isliaey bhool jatey ho ye khwab ka vakia he haqeeqat nhi..............jo itna heran pareshan ho rahey ho.

Tahir Qadri can say all these things about his dreams while sitting in the Majilis of JAAHILS. And please for God sake don’t send me these videos, I have been listening him live when you were not even born, so I know Tahir Sahib very well. I know what agenda he is working on.

haan tum jesey jahil b hotey hain mehfil main................jahiloon ko ye b masla hota he k vo apney aap ko bara parha likha or daana samhatey hain,Abu jehl b aisa hi tha vo b doosro ko jahil samhajta tha.............

aalim fazil sahab mubarik ho aap pehley nikal aiey baher bara teer maar lia aap ne.
uska to pata nhi lakin aapka agenda tahir ul qadri k khilaaf he chahey apna eeman hi kion na jaey lakin tahir ul qadri bach k na jaey..........

Regarding your Aik sawal, come on man grow up, go type it on google and you will get the answer. That’s why I never quote any Hadees because I know what Cut and Paste is going on in this forum. More over I did my grade 5 in 1976 or so. So this question seems much higher than my level.

best way to avoid a question kion google pe search krtey ho.......phir Allah ko b google pe hi dhoond lo.............

level mashallah aapkey sawalo se lagta he k grade 5 k exam b aapki jaga kisi ore ne hi diya ho ga.

Brother apart from all these, my humble request to you is study the deen yourself, don’t follow blindly to your peer, your leader. Allah has given you brain and Allah commands us in the Quran that one must contemplate into my creation and try to unfold it. See where the world is heading to. Your salvation lies in your own hand, and not in your peers hand. As Prophet Muhammad SWM in His SWM last days addressed in Masjid Nabawi, while HIS SWM daughter and (AUNT) Pophi were listening to it. He SWM said let my Daughter and Pophi know that Muhammad SWM will not be of any help to them, but their own good deeds will save them on the day of judgement. ( Allah knows the best) Read your self the history of Islam, see who did what for the Islam. Read every thing with open mind, and InshAllah Allah will guide you as Allah guided me. Want to share your thoughts with me, PM me and we can discuss. May Allah protect you and entire Ummah from all evils.

Well brother you should have used this tone but...........ok
I don't follow anyone blindly and i also do not consider myself an aalim ,and i believe that inventing a wheel again and again will not make us inteligent it will only show our foolishness.

I am a researcher and i know that in any field of knowledge if you want to have some research that first thing you need to know is that what work has already been done in that field and what prominent personalities are doing or have done research in this field.after studying them all then you are able to do some research work.

its the most stupid way that anybody comes up and he consults no one in that field and says that he is doing research in that field.

salvation agar own hand me hotee to Nabi bhaijne ki koi zaroorat nhi thee.

kafiro ko b salvation miltee.abu- jehl shayad dunyavi ilm k lihaaz se bara parha likha tha quresh k log us se mashvarey lia krtey they lakin uskey mukabley main hazrat bilal habshi r.a. hain kisko kia mila ore kion mila sari dunya janteee he koi munafikat me ya bughz me chup he to konsi hidayat mangta he.

Allah ka asool kal b vohi tha aaj b vohi he................

Aik dunyavi insaan k ilm ki kia hasiat ho gee Allah k ilm k samney ???

uski likhee hoee kitaab ko parhney k liaey hm aik ustad k paas jatey hain k vo hmain samjhaey k iska kia matlab he ore likhney vala kia btana chahta he.............

ajeeb baat he Kainaat k malik ,jiskey ilm be hisaab uski kitaab k liaey aap keh rahey hain k kisi se rehnumaiee na lo khud parhoo.. .................intehaiee foolish mashwara he.

Quran me hi likha hoa he k is se kaie hidayat paieengy or kaee gumraah hongey............aik bohut bara reason to main ooper bta chuka.

And FYI i have read all these controversal issues in between different sects of islam.

the main reason for these difference is that we do not take it as an acadmic discussion in a positive way but our approach is only to target other personality or sect.

same behaviour is shown by you you have no issue about the dreams about the Holy Prophet s.a.w you are not discussing that your only focus is targeting particular personality and a particular sect.

such discussions will only increase the differences bcs aim is not knowledge aim is defaming personality or a sect.

i have read many such stories and i know many such points with references from their books but in responce to your allegations i did not target a sect or a personality my approach was only to discuss the valedity of the questions in a logical way.

 

[Murshad Jee]

@ Ghias & Muhammed Afzal

Dreams are only dreams but their interpretations are mostly opposite or different, that's all I have to say.

If you don't believe then could you please tell me that, Why ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT asking for loan and what does it mean.............does ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT really need a loan (Astagh-fir-Ullah) (Ma'az ALLAH)

. مَّن ذَا الَّذِي يُقْرِضُ اللّهَ قَرْضًا حَسَنًا فَيُضَاعِفَهُ لَهُ أَضْعَافًا كَثِيرَةً وَاللّهُ يَقْبِضُ وَيَبْسُطُ وَإِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَO

کون ہے جو الله کو قرض حسنہ دے پھر وہ اس کے لئے کئی گنا بڑھا دے گا ، اور الله ہی (تمہارے رزق میں) تنگی اور کشادگی کرتا ہے ، اور تم اس کی طرف ہی لوٹاتے جاؤ گے

Who is he that will lend to ALLAH a generous loan? HE will, then, multiply it for him manifold. And Allah it is Who decreases and increases (your sustenance) and towards Him will you be returned.
(2:245)​

In fact here ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT saying something but pointing something else...............so dreams are something but interpretations are something.


OR
could you please explain this for me.

 

[JewayPakistan]

Well he is very learned scholar ,good speaker BUT (MISGUIDED )GUMRAH. His knowledge on religion and good speaking ability is his weapon to misguide people. He did his Phd from Punjab Univ Lahore .He was Imam masjid and if i am not wrong he also became imam masjid of Ittefaq masjid built by Mian shareef f/0 nawaz shareef . In 1980's Nawaz shareef was also inspired by his skills and art and he took some favours from shareef family in that era . ( correct me if i am wrong ) Later stages he got some issues with shareef family and he bacame a big scholar in coming years. He tried politics and many actors and actressess joined his party lol e.g Firdous jamal a tv actor. He came in few talk shows when musharaf took over and said on ptv programmes that music is jaiz in Islam giving reason that Just like Qirat is important and Allah likes it there is no harm in singing in Islam ..so he carries a big baggage with him . I cant trust this person .

I My self have seen his chaila with Mussarat Shaheen as her secretary but I cant discuss the Islamic issue as am not that learned.Allah knows all

 

[A-Haseeb]

hi bro pakistan 1947

don't work so hard on it. Tahir Qadri just lied.

bro can you plz send me the name of tht video,coz chelas of qadri have deleted tht video,or they requested you tube to remove it

 

[karachiwala]

@ Ghias & Muhammed Afzal

Dreams are only dreams but their interpretations are mostly opposite or different, that's all I have to say.

If you don't believe then could you please tell me that, Why ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT asking for loan and what does it mean.............does ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT really need a loan (Astagh-fir-Ullah) (Ma'az ALLAH)

. مَّن ذَا الَّذِي يُقْرِضُ اللّهَ قَرْضًا حَسَنًا فَيُضَاعِفَهُ لَهُ أَضْعَافًا كَثِيرَةً وَاللّهُ يَقْبِضُ وَيَبْسُطُ وَإِلَيْهِ تُرْجَعُونَO

کون ہے جو الله کو قرض حسنہ دے پھر وہ اس کے لئے کئی گنا بڑھا دے گا ، اور الله ہی (تمہارے رزق میں) تنگی اور کشادگی کرتا ہے ، اور تم اس کی طرف ہی لوٹاتے جاؤ گے

Who is he that will lend to ALLAH a generous loan? HE will, then, multiply it for him manifold. And Allah it is Who decreases and increases (your sustenance) and towards Him will you be returned.
(2:245)​

In fact here ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT saying something but pointing something else...............so dreams are something but interpretations are something.


OR
could you please explain this for me.

We can only go by what the narrator says to us. I agree with your comments but Tahir did ask for money from the people which goes to say that he meant that he needed to buy all the things. Am I wrong???

 

[Muhammad Afzal]

Please don't try to become my daad yahan equality pe baat kr saktey ho to behtr he me aap se lecture leney nhi aya agr aapko lecture deney ka shoke he ya ye samhajtey ho k aap barey naik perhaizgaar or aalim ho to apney paas rakho mujhey aapki zaat aapke aamal aapke ilm se kuch lena dena nhi sambhal k rakho apney paas.jo insaan k paas hota he vo nazar ajata he apney mun mia mitho ban ney ki koshish na kro i dont think isey koi morally acha samjha jata he..................

You don't know me who i am what i think and you are saying you were one of us ......sounds stupid how can you say that..............even if you consider me a barelvi (which i don't) if you were a barelvi than why the hell are you telling me that is that going to change the truth.

tactics............apney garebaan me daikho kia stupid sawal kiaey hain tum ne sirf apnee zati bughz ki vaja se ore baat kr rahey ho tactics ki.

"ouron ko nasiat khud mian fasiat"

jao ja kr deobandion ki kitabain parho unkey khabo se bhari hoee hain................

"jinkey apney ghar sheeshey k hoon unhain doosro k ghar pathar nhi marney chahien"

jisko "night fell" ka pata ho usey "day begins" ka b pata ho ga thori science b parh letey to raat din k mutallik kuch maloom ho jata.

If someone only asks about how the "day begins" avoids how the "night falls" then you can understand how educated that person is ,or what motive that person has in his mind.



Totally irrelevant ..................No argument can be based on a self written story.........
isterha ki norey ore gaamey ki me aapko kaiee kahania suna deta hoo jiska maqsad

"AAPNEY AAP KO BARA AALIM FAZIL ZAHIR KRNA OR MUKHALIF KO GHATIA ORE JAHIL SABIT KRNA HO"

hasiat kia he is kahani ki............kisi daleel pe baat krain koi solid argument ho......isterha ki farzi kahanio se koi cheez sabit nhi hotee.....



I think you need a teacher maulana jahil sahab zara ghore krain ye khaawab he haqeeqat nhi me ne aapko hawala b dia tha hazrat yousaf a.s k wakiey ka jis me misr k badshah ne khwab dekha tha.

Koi aik hadyt koi aik Quranic reference le aien jis se aap isko ghalat sabit kr sakain.


Aalim Fazil sahab agar aap meree sawal ka jawab detey to vohi aapkey sawal ka jawab b tha.

Mujhey herat hotee he aik taraf to aap argue kr rahey hain k Huzur s.a.w ko tahir ul qadri ki assistance ki zroorat kaisey parh gaiey(.............ye zehn me rakhtey hoey k ye wakia khwaab ka he.) lakin doosri taraf aap is baat pe kion sawal nhi uthatey k Allah ko farishto ki zroorat kion parh gaiee ???????????? KIA ALLAH hr cheez pe Qadir nhi.

Tahir ul qadri sahab k khawab ka to abi zikr hoa kia is se pehley isterha k sawal kion nhi pochey jatey ye bacho vali logicain na larao..............k hava pattey ko hilatee he Ya Allah hilata he...........grade 5 k baad b kuch parh letey to behtr tha.

Khud to jesey pedaishee haq le kr aiey ho sawal krney k hmain sawal krna mana he .......................tumharee adato se lagta he police valey ho sirf pochney k aadee ho.......vesey b jawab deney k liaey kuch ilm chahiey hota he.


AAlim Fazil sahab ye khawb he pata nhi aap k sarr pe kion itni sawar ho gaee agar aap is thread me jitna likha ja chka he vo parh lain to aapko samhaj ajaiey gee lakin "AAP TO ME NA MANOON PE DATEY HOEY HAIN"
ye to khawab he Allah haqeeqat me kehta he k tum meree madad karo me tumharee madad karonga..............???????????
is ko kia quran se nikal do ge kionkey Tahir ul qadri ko ghalat sabit krna he tum ne.


straight forward jawab he jin cheezo ka main ne zikr kia he kaho k vo Huzur s.a.w ko pasand nhi thee ja kr koi evidence le kr ao.phir me b evidence lata ho iskey favour main.

Mera tum se jawabi sawal he kia tum hzur s.a.w ko insan nhi mantey???????



Me challenge krta hoon ye baat sabit krdo k Huzur s.a.w ne sari zindagi do/2 pathar pait pe baandh kr guzari sari zindagi lagey raho sabit nhi kr sako gey.jhoot ki b koi hadd hotey ha.

Aalim fazil mian ye b kisi gazwah ka vakia he sari zindagi ka nhi.

vo jo grade 5 me tumhain parhata tha tumhara aakhri teacher vo b tumhara ye sawal sun k panchvien ka certificate vapis le le ga.


where in the hadyt it says that no pakistani can see Him in his dream.???????
where in hadyt it is written that in a dream He cannot go to pakistan????????
kia tum khuda bun gaiey ho jo apni taraf se verdict de rahey ho hadyt me to koiee aisee baat nhi



Doosro ki fikr na kro i am using computer since 1992 and internet since 1995.........
jesey koi dehati suit pehn leta he to apney aap ko koi toup samhajna shuru kr deta he lagta he k kisi paindo ne 5 jamatain parh hi lee hain jo baraa itra raha he apni taleem pe.


Bhai merey to kia khwaab main jahaz pe baithney pe pabandi he???????????

Ya kisi deobandi ne fatwa diya hoa he k khwab me jahaz ka safar krna haram he??????

Ya kisi deo..... ne fatwa de diya he k jo log dunya se parda farma gaiey hain vo khwab me nhi asaktey?????????????

Ya kisi ne ban lagaya hoa he k kisi ko khwab me pakistan atey hoey daikhna mana he????????

Khwab me kia ticket le k dena kufr he???????????

kis cheez pe aiteraaz he tumhain...................tumhain sirf tahirul qadri se bughz he ye khwab tumhain aya hota to phir jaiz tha.

ye btao k kia tum plan kr k khwab daikhtey ho k ye daikhna he ye nhi daikhna khwab he koi movie nhi k drictor apni marzi se script change kr raha he????????



zara tameez se jb Huzur s.a.w k barey me guftagu kia kro to zuban sambhal k guftagu kia kro.................tumharey andr itna gand hi agar bhara hoa he to buktey raho tahir ul qadri pr lakin Huzur s.a.w k barey main aisee batain na likhtey hoey sharam anee chahey tumhain...........

shayad umer ziada ho gaee he isliaey bhool jatey ho ye khwab ka vakia he haqeeqat nhi..............jo itna heran pareshan ho rahey ho.

haan tum jesey jahil b hotey hain mehfil main................jahiloon ko ye b masla hota he k vo apney aap ko bara parha likha or daana samhatey hain,Abu jehl b aisa hi tha vo b doosro ko jahil samhajta tha.............

aalim fazil sahab mubarik ho aap pehley nikal aiey baher bara teer maar lia aap ne.
uska to pata nhi lakin aapka agenda tahir ul qadri k khilaaf he chahey apna eeman hi kion na jaey lakin tahir ul qadri bach k na jaey..........



best way to avoid a question kion google pe search krtey ho.......phir Allah ko b google pe hi dhoond lo.............

level mashallah aapkey sawalo se lagta he k grade 5 k exam b aapki jaga kisi ore ne hi diya ho ga.



Well brother you should have used this tone but...........ok
I don't follow anyone blindly and i also do not consider myself an aalim ,and i believe that inventing a wheel again and again will not make us inteligent it will only show our foolishness.

I am a researcher and i know that in any field of knowledge if you want to have some research that first thing you need to know is that what work has already been done in that field and what prominent personalities are doing or have done research in this field.after studying them all then you are able to do some research work.

its the most stupid way that anybody comes up and he consults no one in that field and says that he is doing research in that field.

salvation agar own hand me hotee to Nabi bhaijne ki koi zaroorat nhi thee.

kafiro ko b salvation miltee.abu- jehl shayad dunyavi ilm k lihaaz se bara parha likha tha quresh k log us se mashvarey lia krtey they lakin uskey mukabley main hazrat bilal habshi r.a. hain kisko kia mila ore kion mila sari dunya janteee he koi munafikat me ya bughz me chup he to konsi hidayat mangta he.

Allah ka asool kal b vohi tha aaj b vohi he................

Aik dunyavi insaan k ilm ki kia hasiat ho gee Allah k ilm k samney ???

uski likhee hoee kitaab ko parhney k liaey hm aik ustad k paas jatey hain k vo hmain samjhaey k iska kia matlab he ore likhney vala kia btana chahta he.............

ajeeb baat he Kainaat k malik ,jiskey ilm be hisaab uski kitaab k liaey aap keh rahey hain k kisi se rehnumaiee na lo khud parhoo.. .................intehaiee foolish mashwara he.

Quran me hi likha hoa he k is se kaie hidayat paieengy or kaee gumraah hongey............aik bohut bara reason to main ooper bta chuka.

And FYI i have read all these controversal issues in between different sects of islam.

the main reason for these difference is that we do not take it as an acadmic discussion in a positive way but our approach is only to target other personality or sect.

same behaviour is shown by you you have no issue about the dreams about the Holy Prophet s.a.w you are not discussing that your only focus is targeting particular personality and a particular sect.

such discussions will only increase the differences bcs aim is not knowledge aim is defaming personality or a sect.

i have read many such stories and i know many such points with references from their books but in responce to your allegations i did not target a sect or a personality my approach was only to discuss the valedity of the questions in a logical way.

Assalam-O-Alikum Brother

I think my mail worked as a stinger missile, but i am sorry for using that tough language. Brother once its about deen, I think one has to be tough, because if some body abusing me or one of my family member I will go all out to teach that person a lesson. Once it comes to deen, why I should say oh I don't know deen or i am not an alim so i will not talk about it. It is the duty of every muslim to learn pure deen and spread the message of Allah and His SWM messenger. Why i say pure deen, because once you take pure deen and go out to spread it, Allah's Nusrat will be with you like Ghazwa e Badr, and people will have fear in their heart about you. But if you take 2 number deen, first of all Allah's help will be lifted, and these kufars will not fear from you. They very much knows about the pure Islam. As you rightly said in one of your reply that Allah don't need you and me to spread this deen, but it is my duty and my salvation lies only in that, (as it is mentioned in Surrah Asar the qualities of a momin).

Why i am talking like that to some of the issues of innovations, By Allah i have seen so much that you cannot imagine. Lets say for example Hazarat Ali Hajveri (RA), what was his purpose and mission in Life, and what he preached. His hard work and sacrifice made my fore fathers muslims and I do acknowledge that and have respect for him. But to fulfill Aqidat, I will not leave my Aqidah. Thats what majority of the muslims specially in Indo Pakistan are doing, fulfilling Aqidat and forgetting about the Aqidahh. Because of that you see all those rituals happening on his grave. The gaddi nasheen are all Crocks and theives. people prostating there. I have seen with my own eyes women touching their bellies and saying (aaj to beeta ley kar he jana hey) AstaghfirAllah. What do you here from these people is stories about the milk and the cows, and story of Shabaz Qalander fliying in the air. DOn't you think for a while what is this all about. Is that why our beloved Prophet SWM was put to so many hardship to propgate Allah's Deen. The incident of Taif, incident of Hijarat, Ghazawae Uhud, when our Prophet SWm got injured, the death of Hazarat Hamza (RA), the murder of Hazarat Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman and Ali (RA) etc etc etc. No my brother thats not why the Sahaba sacrificed their lifes, and left the company of Nabi SWM and took the deen to different parts of the world. How many sahabas are buried in Janat ul Baqi you tell me.

What has happened to muslim ummah? why they are satisfied with their acts and believe that these rituals are enough for their salvation. Believe you me by Allah I have seen with my own eyes a full poster in a Masjid of a village in Pakistan that explained the Auhtenticity of 11 sharif in the light of Ahadees. So how can you keep quite once you see these kind of munkirat. Don't you know the hadeess that says "If you see some thing bad, try to stop it with your hand, if not try to stop it with your tongue and if that is not possible say it in your heart, and that is the weakest level of Iman. (Allah knows the best). Tell me where all this end, if we don't stand up and try to stop it.

Did you ever know what happened to the muslims of Spain, when they were beaten by the christians. where did all these people vanished and nobody knows about them. A best friend of mine, who himself narrates this as an eye witness account in Chille, South America syas that all muslims of spain came to south america, and now their grand children have become murtid (christians and atheist) He said once they called Azan people used to gather and say there forefathers used to sing this song. Listen Sing this song. Don't your heart bleed on that. While we muslims are fighting with each other our brothers in Islam are being taken away from us. We muslim boast that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, but let me give you some news for you to think. Recently a survey was carried in UK, and according to that 70% of new muslims in west go back to their original religion or become Atheist becauese we muslims are not doing anything to help our new brothers.

While we muslims are fighting with each other, biggest muslim country in the world, Indonessia has lost 25% of their muslim population to christianity, and Indonessian govt is not releasing the statistics. While I am typing this millions of muslims have been converted in Africa to either christianity or other religions. You tell me what we should do. Should we be satisfied with our acts, and go and visit these mazars, 11 sharif, naat competition, halway, dance of elderly people on songs, or leave our homes and do Dawah as a first and foremost duty.

I talk a lot, because of my experience. And now i pray to Allah that HE gives me strength to get some deen work from me before I die. I will condemn all kind of inovations in the deen very loudly and strongly whether it is done by Barelvi, Deobandi, Ahle Hadeeet, Shia or who so ever. Muhammad SWM said a time will come when His SWM ummah will have 73 firkas and all will be Jahanumi except one. (Allah knows the best) And I am in search of this One firkah with purest and sincereity of my heart and I trust Allah will guide me to that.

So no hard feelings what ever you said about me, i don't care because thats personal. But again humble request search for true Islam and definitley Allah will guide you.

Allah HAfiz

 

[Murshad Jee]

We can only go by what the narrator says to us. I agree with your comments but Tahir did ask for money from the people which goes to say that he meant that he needed to buy all the things. Am I wrong???

Brother I know Minhaj ul Quran asks for donations, but did you ever imagine how much their expenses for these welfare projects.

Please have a look at this website with an open heart and then tell me if you know any other welfare organisation doing the same kind of work anywhere.

http://www.welfare.org.pk/english/index.html

 

[Murshad Jee]

@ Muhammad Afzal

Because of that you see all those rituals happening on his grave. The gaddi nasheen are all Crocks and theives. people prostating there. I have seen with my own eyes women touching their bellies and saying (aaj to beeta ley kar he jana hey) AstaghfirAllah.

Did you ever see a Gaddi Nasheen or a Braveli Aalim preaching that "Ask to the graves BUT not ALLAH ((Astagh-fir-Ullah))...........NO...........This is only Jahiliat what SOME people do at the graves, e.g Sjda or any kufriana amal ((Astagh-fir-Ullah)) which is not acceptable act for every educated Bralvi.

The main thing is WASEELA and we ONLY ask ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT not the graves.

What did you do when you saw those women touching he bellies and saying "aj te beta le kar hi jana hai".................just laugh or must want to kill them and mention only over the internet to degrade the Mazar's.........as your master's Taliban does.......instead of try to explain them that "Behan Jee this is wrong what you saying".

Did you ever know what happened to the muslims of Spain, when they were beaten by the christians. where did all these people vanished and nobody knows about them.

This is past and we can only remember these thing and feel a shame if we CAN.....................But tell me that who is responsible for too many innocent people died in last few years in Pakistan because of these bloody Talibans.................who is responsible for that...................not Amirica but, only and only deobandi/wahabi Talibans who are playing in their hands.

I talk a lot, because of my experience. And now i pray to Allah that HE gives me strength to get some deen work from me before I die. I will condemn all kind of inovations in the deen very loudly and strongly whether it is done by Barelvi, Deobandi, Ahle Hadeeet, Shia or who so ever. Muhammad SWM said a time will come when His SWM ummah will have 73 firkas and all will be Jahanumi except one. (Allah knows the best) And I am in search of this One firkah with purest and sincereity of my heart and I trust Allah will guide me to that.

ohhhh yeah..................go and try to find and let me know when you find the right one, which you think 100% right firqa..............The Right Firqa is...............Just Love ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT and beloved Prophet of ALLAH-U-RABB-UL-IZZAT our Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam)..............................Imagine Shaan-e-Mustafa (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam) that ALLAH ALMIGHTY sends HIMSELF Durood at HIS Beloved Rasool (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam).................Subhaan ALLAH...............Who and what we are to say that Durood-o-Salaam and Mehfil-e-Naat is wrong deed..................................I really feel pity on you.

For your Information eating HALWA is a Sweet Sunnah of our Piyaray Aaqa Muhammed (Sallallah-u-Alaih-e-Wasallam)................my belief is that, if I eat something nice, that is my KISMAT and you should know that Wahabi/Deobandi thinks that eating a CROW (Kawwa) is Halal............That's your/their Kismat.

نگاہ مرد مومن سے بدل جاتی ہیں تقدیریں
جو ہو ذوق یقین پیدا تو کٹ جاتی ہیں زنجیریں
​

کی محممد سے وفا تو نے تو ہم تیرے ہیں
یہ جہاں چیز ہے کیا لوح و قلم تیرے ہیں ​

 

[QaiserMirza]

Shaikh ul Islam Dr. Tahir Qadri ko SAJDA

[video]http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/people_and_blogs/watch/v199945459xa3WpSS[/video]

 

[Knowledge Seeker]

[video]http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/people_and_blogs/watch/v199945459xa3WpSS[/video]

If you are capable of distinguishing kissing of hand and feet from Sajda, then please let me know the difference and status of those actions in Islam??

 

[Abdul Haadi]

Brs. especially "pakistani1947 & Khalid100" please stop your hate towards Dr. Tahir ul Qadri. Original post was about politics you guys took it as always towards on his believe. All of these politicians we have in Pakistan you never talk about their believes. Br. "pakistani1947" all of those ahadees & Quranic Ayaat you quote here all the time, do you not know the Hadees of beloved prophet SAW that hate the action not the people who act. You have pose your point in several threads of Dr. Tahir ul Qadri now enough of that. Please if you really not just copy pasting all that info so I believe you have a character so show a good character & learn to respect other people's believe. This is the problem of UMMAH today that they never come out these small differences and get unite so they can do something constructive. Prophet SAW even used to love non muslims & respect them why can we not even have respect for one another at least Tahir ul Qadri says ****ma, He believes in Quran, all the Prophets & the day of resurrection isn't that enough for one to be Muslim. Plus we should fear Allah's judgement & stop judging other people.

Also "br. Khurram" Ahmad Deedat was a big scholar we should respect him so all the others especially when he is deceased (may Allah forgive his shortcomings). The video you have posted abt him "how did he die look at his face" videos like these are the propaganda of
other religion we should not fall into that trap.

Brs. if any of my word has hurt any of you i apologize in advance & ask Allah SWT to forgive us all. Ameen

 

[Abdul Haadi]

Please watch the whole video with open mind. Aalim in this video is Ahle Hadees

[video=google;-1520846322944869515]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1520846322944869515&hl=en&emb=1#docid=-9031181739160070561[/video]

 

[khanpanni]

Sooner or later T. Qadri has to stand in front of Allah the kind of Islam he was spreading . He is taking away from the people from basic of Islam.
My personal Islam is simple basic Nemaz, Roza, zekat , Kharat , Haij read queran by your own and search the meaning in Queran and then Hadies
if you have time after earning your bread.
His act is not different then the christain Pope in Rome and who gives him the authority to represent our religion in his way ? Allah has not given any authority to our Prophet(PBUH) to act on mankind. May Allah forgive us all, wasalam. . . . .. ..!