Ka'inat Ki Har Shay,Ghulam e Rasool (S.a.w) Hay

[Raaz]

@Raaz.....i think u totally misunderstood this thread
u,re just reading babadeena's posts but not observing the Quranic verses
it is very informative n very important kuz ppl in pakistan r ok to call anyone "maula"......im saying many ppl not all
n most of them don,t even know the meaning of "Maula"
its good to clarify n learn keeping the "commandments of Allah(Quran) n Hadiths in sight

You r right sir. I respect your views and Babadena's views anyways.

You r asking the meaning of " Moula " . Is there any differene in Moula and Moulana ? Molana means ' our Mola' , our care taker.

When we call Muhammad pbuh molana, every body is worried. but when we call Molana Fazal Ur Rehamn, or Molana Mufti Mehmood, thats ok. why?

Dont get confused by this situation.

Allah tala said Hazrat Muhammadpbuh, rauf ur raheem. where as these are his own names. why ? please dont confuse again, domain is changed here. Allah has his own level and domain, Muhammad has his own. and Abu Jahil has his own.

The same sense goes when we say , Rasool is like us. Yes he is a human being , but job is different , his respect is different , his authority is different.We might be Jahanmi, but he is head of Janat people for sure. (Maha Allah). ....No comparison.

Allah Says , Surah Alam nashrah وَرَفَعْنَا لَكَ ذِكْرَكَ ﴿ ... is it for us?

Muhammad went on Meraj , not anybody else.

But at the same time, مُحَمَّدً اعَبْدُه وَرَسُولُه
he is Abad too. not master. Allah is master.

Ahle sunat waljamat has confused his level, authority just by juggling and fantasy of words. Thats not good.

This is the right order and very beautiful words, each and every.

اشْهَدُ انْ لّآ اِلهَ اِلَّا اللّهُ وَحْدَه لَا شَرِيْكَ لَه، وَ اَشْهَدُ اَنَّ مُحَمَّدً اعَبْدُه وَرَسُولُه

Sorry if I am wrong. I am not an alim, but if somebody knows a bit arabic and have interest in Quran, he could get the very good sense of Allah Tala.

Should not be biased. And get the sense of quran not not only worlds.

Otherwise we will be confused like stamping of prophets, not the ending , like Qadyanies friends...
Regards,

 

[Raaz]

It is your choice you wish to discuss or not, but bear in mind please:
a) my almost every post contains reference from Quran;
b) the post in Question is verse from Quran, you people do not wish to accept it, or wish
to twist it or mould it according to your pre-made fiqa or creed, it is your problem, not mine.
c) Even Allah's Rasool(S) said to the people, that "Yes we are Humans like you", if you wish
I can give you that verse also.

My passion is to propogate Quran and counter with it all other "false theories". Please learn
to live with it. It is not "destruction", rather "positive construction", but unfortunately, the Quran
will be "an anguish" who do not wish to accept it.

کج بحثی کا کیا فایدہ سر ! -

بلکل ٹھیک کہا ، آنحضرت ہماری طرح کے ہی انسان تھے ، ماشا الله

بلکہ ہم ان کی طرح کے انسان ہیں - الحمدللہ

الله ہمیں ان کا مقتدی بناۓ
عبدللہ بناے غلام محمّد بناۓ

 

[Raaz]

U just posted it and ran away . it is called fitan .

Your description is not fair.

It should base on reality and justice,

Describe first about Allah Tala and then Muhammad. Sale wa salim.

It is not maslak of Ahle sunat waljamat, it is just fitna and injustice.

Balance is the beauty.

Please avoid to do this next time. It is not the way of Muhammad. if u r lover of Muhammad.pbuh , then do as he did. He used to prey Allah all the time.

 

[babadeena]

مَا كَانَ لِبَشَرٍ أَنْ يُؤْتِيَهُ اللَّهُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحُكْمَ وَالنُّبُوَّةَ ثُمَّ يَقُولَ لِلنَّاسِ كُونُوا عِبَادًا لِي مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ وَلَٰكِنْ كُونُوا رَبَّانِيِّينَ بِمَا كُنْتُمْ تُعَلِّمُونَ الْكِتَابَ وَبِمَا كُنْتُمْ تَدْرُسُونَ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{79**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 3:79] It is not meet for a mortal that Allah should give him the Book and the wisdom and prophethood, then he should say to men: Be my servants rather than Allah's; but rather (he would say): Be worshippers of the Lord because of your teaching the Book and your reading (it yourselves).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 3:79] It is not (possible) for any human being unto whom Allah had given the Scripture and wisdom and the prophethood that he should afterwards have said unto mankind: Be slaves of me instead of Allah; but (what he said was): Be ye faithful servants of the Lord by virtue of your constant teaching of the Scripture and of your constant study thereof.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 3:79] It is not (possible) that a man, to whom is given the Book, and Wisdom, and the prophetic office, should say to people: "Be ye my worshippers rather than Allah's": on the contrary (He would say) "Be ye worshippers of Him Who is truly the Cherisher of all: For ye have taught the Book and ye have studied it earnestly."
[/SIZE]وَلَا يَأْمُرَكُمْ أَنْ تَتَّخِذُوا الْمَلَائِكَةَ وَالنَّبِيِّينَ أَرْبَابًا ۗ أَيَأْمُرُكُمْ بِالْكُفْرِ بَعْدَ إِذْ أَنْتُمْ مُسْلِمُونَ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{80**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 3:80] And neither would he enjoin you that you should take the angels and the prophets for lords; what! would he enjoin you with unbelief after you are Muslims?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 3:80] And he commanded you not that ye should take the angels and the prophets for lords. Would he command you to disbelieve after ye had surrendered (to Allah)?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 3:80] Nor would he instruct you to take angels and prophets for Lords and patrons. What! would he bid you to unbelief after ye have bowed your will (To Allah in Islam)?

Few Points:
a) Nubwat and Prophethood was given to "Bashar" (Mortal) People from among the people;
b) The Bashar to whom Allah gave Nubwaat never told his followers to become his "servants", instead of Allah's servants;
c) Saying like this is equal to "becoming Kafir after becoming Muslim".

I think the above two verses, solution everything with regard to "Ghulamiyaat".
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[Raaz]

Dear raaz, this is a brotherly discussion and no one here thinks he is like the prophet. You I think have misunderstood the stand point of babadeena. His point is only that prophets are human beings and that is waht the quran tells us.

I sense that you took babadeena's response the wrong way, please look in to it again. As a brother I would request, please avoid responding to posts that you may think deserve your anger. Ghussa aqal ko khaa jaata hai aur aadami ke monh se ghalat salat baat nikal jaati.

We are here to learn of each other and that takes time and patience. So even if some one says something that others think is wrong just help educate the person rather than take out our anger on that person, this way we will drive each other away instead of bringing each other closer, which is the main purpose of thios forum or any discussion forum.

I hope my request will be entertained and I thank you in anticipation, regards and all the best.

Thank you sir for so nice words and kind advice.

Must be I became aggressive, I am sorry for that. but thanks God I have good friend like u , tell me my faults.

May Allah bless u for your patience.

 

[babadeena]

کج بحثی کا کیا فایدہ سر ! -

(sure there is no benefit):)

بلکل ٹھیک کہا ، آنحضرت ہماری طرح کے ہی انسان تھے ، ماشا الله
(only human-wise, I mean that He was human like us, but in other aspects, like Nubwaat,
prophethood, Vahee from Allah, Mercy for all the worlds, etc etc. he had unique qualities)
بلکہ ہم ان کی طرح کے انسان ہیں - الحمدللہ
(less the qualities I mentioned above)
الله ہمیں ان کا مقتدی بناۓ
(Ammeen)
عبدللہ بناے غلام محمّد بناۓ
( I shall prefer to be "Ghulam" of Allah only and "Follower" of Prophet(Pbuh).

No hard feeling. We are here to share our thoughts, nothing else.

 

[6sman]

Salam,

I shall prefer to be "Ghulam" of Allah only and "Follower" of Prophet(Pbuh).

I think brother Raaz' statement pretty much seals the deal. With respect to worship we are bound to serve none but Allaah Ta'aala's or be His ghilman only, and when it concerns obedience in commandments, observing rights and limits then we are obliged to be ghulam-i Rasoolﷺ.

 

[nasir ahmed]

first thing first there seems to be a wahabbi mania on this forum. The world moula has been used by Allah(swt) in the quran before for the angels and the momin muslims secondly it has many means in arabic it does not mean god you dumbo your doing what all the wahabbi do your using literal meaning for the Quran while its kalam is holistic. secondly about the status of prophets you said the prophet can be called basher thats a lie. Why did Allah(swt) not alow Noah (AS) son on the Ark cus he said to his father you are like me i will not follow you your a human. And Allah(swt) told Noah (as) to remove him from the ark and replace him with the khanseer. The physical capaciy of a prophet is of a normal human hence the body the five senses. However there spiritual and status is the highest in the entire creation you cannot undremine them like the son of Noah (as) did Gods wrath will be on you. All the unbelievers in the quran used to call the prophets bashar thats a fact. In the quran it is clearly stated surah ah zab (33) verse 38 that disobeying the prophet is to disobeying allah and you become a kaffir are they still the same has us no there status is so high that Allah mentions them with him in the quran to show there importance.

 

[nasir ahmed]

here are the verses were the kaffir have called the prophets bashar judge for yourselve. The surah followed by the verses.
[FONT=&quot]23:24
23:33
36:15
64:6
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You cannot attain Allahs love without the love of the prophet muhammad(SAW). To [FONT=&quot]separate Allah and His Prophet's is Kufr Surah [/FONT][FONT=&quot]4:150 [/FONT](verse)
[FONT=&quot]Also pleasing Allah but you have a greater right pleasing the messenger surah 9 verse 62.

Hope this corrects your beliefs nothing wrong in praising the prophet or being ghulam e rasool (saw). Infact Allah is pleased when you show respect love and humility towards the prophet. These are Allah (swt) commands so must be followed.
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[babadeena]

Nasir Ahmed,
ten posts in hand and like a parrot you have started singing. Hang around, I am going to ask you a question,
from where you got that "Noah son was repalced by khanseer"? be Quick?

 

[babadeena]

here are the verses were the kaffir have called the prophets bashar judge for yourselve. The surah followed by the verses.
[FONT=&quot]23:24
23:33
36:15
64:6
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You cannot attain Allahs love without the love of the prophet muhammad(SAW). To [FONT=&quot]separate Allah and His Prophet's is Kufr Surah [/FONT][FONT=&quot]4:150 [/FONT](verse)
[FONT=&quot]
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You forgot the Verse in which, Prophets themselves said that "we are bashars like you...............". Conveniently?

 

[babadeena]

قَالَتْ لَهُمْ رُسُلُهُمْ إِنْ نَحْنُ إِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِثْلُكُمْ وَلَٰكِنَّ اللَّهَ يَمُنُّ عَلَىٰ مَنْ يَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِهِ ۖ وَمَا كَانَ لَنَا أَنْ نَأْتِيَكُمْ بِسُلْطَانٍ إِلَّا بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ ۚ وَعَلَى اللَّهِ فَلْيَتَوَكَّلِ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{11**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 14:11] Their messengers said to them: We are nothing but mortals like yourselves, but Allah bestows (His) favors on whom He pleases of His servants, and it is not for us that we should bring you an authority except by Allah's permission; and on Allah should the believers rely.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 14:11] Their messengers said unto them: We are but mortals like you, but Allah giveth grace unto whom He will of His slaves. It is not ours to bring you a warrant unless by the permission of Allah. In Allah let believers put their trust![/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 14:11] Their messengers said to them: "True, we are human like yourselves, but Allah doth grant His grace to such of his servants as He pleases. It is not for us to bring you an authority except as Allah permits. And on Allah let all men of faith put their trust.

If you can read well. Look Prophets themselves are admitting, Now according to your Criteria, where you are putting them????
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[babadeena]

OK Nasir go and get the assistance all your Mullahs, with green turbine on the head and one
foot On the Mazars and One foot in Mosque, and with the rythem of the Qawwali, perhaps they
will help you out, You came to point out something, better do beforehand some homework!

 

[samar]

OK Nasir go and get the assistance all your Mullahs, with green turbine on the head and one
foot On the Mazars and One foot in Mosque, and with the rythem of the Qawwali, perhaps they
will help you out, You came to point out something, better do beforehand some homework!

You go and get assistance from Munkireen e hadyt........

ore you can contact Mehr Bukhari

 

[Mughal1]

مَا كَانَ لِبَشَرٍ أَنْ يُؤْتِيَهُ اللَّهُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحُكْمَ وَالنُّبُوَّةَ ثُمَّ يَقُولَ لِلنَّاسِ كُونُوا عِبَادًا لِي مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ وَلَٰكِنْ كُونُوا رَبَّانِيِّينَ بِمَا كُنْتُمْ تُعَلِّمُونَ الْكِتَابَ وَبِمَا كُنْتُمْ تَدْرُسُونَ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{79**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 3:79] It is not meet for a mortal that Allah should give him the Book and the wisdom and prophethood, then he should say to men: Be my servants rather than Allah's; but rather (he would say): Be worshippers of the Lord because of your teaching the Book and your reading (it yourselves).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 3:79] It is not (possible) for any human being unto whom Allah had given the Scripture and wisdom and the prophethood that he should afterwards have said unto mankind: Be slaves of me instead of Allah; but (what he said was): Be ye faithful servants of the Lord by virtue of your constant teaching of the Scripture and of your constant study thereof.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 3:79] It is not (possible) that a man, to whom is given the Book, and Wisdom, and the prophetic office, should say to people: "Be ye my worshippers rather than Allah's": on the contrary (He would say) "Be ye worshippers of Him Who is truly the Cherisher of all: For ye have taught the Book and ye have studied it earnestly."
[/SIZE]وَلَا يَأْمُرَكُمْ أَنْ تَتَّخِذُوا الْمَلَائِكَةَ وَالنَّبِيِّينَ أَرْبَابًا ۗ أَيَأْمُرُكُمْ بِالْكُفْرِ بَعْدَ إِذْ أَنْتُمْ مُسْلِمُونَ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{80**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 3:80] And neither would he enjoin you that you should take the angels and the prophets for lords; what! would he enjoin you with unbelief after you are Muslims?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 3:80] And he commanded you not that ye should take the angels and the prophets for lords. Would he command you to disbelieve after ye had surrendered (to Allah)?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 3:80] Nor would he instruct you to take angels and prophets for Lords and patrons. What! would he bid you to unbelief after ye have bowed your will (To Allah in Islam)?

Few Points:
a) Nubwat and Prophethood was given to "Bashar" (Mortal) People from among the people;
b) The Bashar to whom Allah gave Nubwaat never told his followers to become his "servants", instead of Allah's servants;
c) Saying like this is equal to "becoming Kafir after becoming Muslim".

I think the above two verses, solution everything with regard to "Ghulamiyaat".
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قَالَتْ لَهُمْ رُسُلُهُمْ إِنْ نَحْنُ إِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِثْلُكُمْ وَلَٰكِنَّ اللَّهَ يَمُنُّ عَلَىٰ مَنْ يَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِهِ ۖ وَمَا كَانَ لَنَا أَنْ نَأْتِيَكُمْ بِسُلْطَانٍ إِلَّا بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ ۚ وَعَلَى اللَّهِ فَلْيَتَوَكَّلِ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{11**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 14:11] Their messengers said to them: We are nothing but mortals like yourselves, but Allah bestows (His) favors on whom He pleases of His servants, and it is not for us that we should bring you an authority except by Allah's permission; and on Allah should the believers rely.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 14:11] Their messengers said unto them: We are but mortals like you, but Allah giveth grace unto whom He will of His slaves. It is not ours to bring you a warrant unless by the permission of Allah. In Allah let believers put their trust![/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 14:11] Their messengers said to them: "True, we are human like yourselves, but Allah doth grant His grace to such of his servants as He pleases. It is not for us to bring you an authority except as Allah permits. And on Allah let all men of faith put their trust.

If you can read well. Look Prophets themselves are admitting, Now according to your Criteria, where you are putting them????
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Derar babadeena, the important point to note here is contrast between other people and the prophets that is shown by Allah. The conjunction but is very important in these like verses. It is for showing clear difference between humanity of prophets and other human beings. Allah shows to prophets what others cannot see and makes them hear what others cannot hear for example. Their brains are made able to receive revelation from allah. The power working through prophets makes them special human beings if you like. They cannot be called basher in normal sense of the word because that negates their capability of being able to receive revelation from allah.

Allah says, if the quran was revealed on a mountain what will happen to it. Also when moses asked allah to show him his self what happened. These things are beyond our understanding. So prophets are humans no doubt but humans are not like each other even in the ordinary sense ie we are all different in many ways from each other ie some are well more capable than others. What allah means when he says they are basher is that they are his creation and not gods ie they are mortels ie nonpermanent or ever lasting. So whatever powers work through them do not make them gods. They are not called humans for degradation with respect to creation but in comparison to god himself ie god is god and his prophets are mere mortals. Do not be fooled into thinking they are gods just because god works through them.

Also there is a big difference between MIN ALLAH and MINDOONILLAH. The prophets are from allah who come to fight against to destroy minddonillah and so allah will throw them in hell. So we cannot bundle them altogether as one and the same thing. Likewise word RUB=deity here not just lord and servant here also means worshipper= AABID.

Once we have defined an article then we do not necessarily need to repeat its name as a grammatical rule. We can use isme zameer or isme sifat makes no difference because we know what we are talking about or who we are talking about.

regards and all the best.

 

[Abdul Allah]

مَا كَانَ لِبَشَرٍ أَنْ يُؤْتِيَهُ اللَّهُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحُكْمَ وَالنُّبُوَّةَ ثُمَّ يَقُولَ لِلنَّاسِ كُونُوا عِبَادًا لِي مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ وَلَٰكِنْ كُونُوا رَبَّانِيِّينَ بِمَا كُنْتُمْ تُعَلِّمُونَ الْكِتَابَ وَبِمَا كُنْتُمْ تَدْرُسُونَ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{79**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 3:79] It is not meet for a mortal that Allah should give him the Book and the wisdom and prophethood, then he should say to men: Be my servants rather than Allah's; but rather (he would say): Be worshippers of the Lord because of your teaching the Book and your reading (it yourselves).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 3:79] It is not (possible) for any human being unto whom Allah had given the Scripture and wisdom and the prophethood that he should afterwards have said unto mankind: Be slaves of me instead of Allah; but (what he said was): Be ye faithful servants of the Lord by virtue of your constant teaching of the Scripture and of your constant study thereof.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 3:79] It is not (possible) that a man, to whom is given the Book, and Wisdom, and the prophetic office, should say to people: "Be ye my worshippers rather than Allah's": on the contrary (He would say) "Be ye worshippers of Him Who is truly the Cherisher of all: For ye have taught the Book and ye have studied it earnestly."
[/SIZE]وَلَا يَأْمُرَكُمْ أَنْ تَتَّخِذُوا الْمَلَائِكَةَ وَالنَّبِيِّينَ أَرْبَابًا ۗ أَيَأْمُرُكُمْ بِالْكُفْرِ بَعْدَ إِذْ أَنْتُمْ مُسْلِمُونَ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{80**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 3:80] And neither would he enjoin you that you should take the angels and the prophets for lords; what! would he enjoin you with unbelief after you are Muslims?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 3:80] And he commanded you not that ye should take the angels and the prophets for lords. Would he command you to disbelieve after ye had surrendered (to Allah)?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 3:80] Nor would he instruct you to take angels and prophets for Lords and patrons. What! would he bid you to unbelief after ye have bowed your will (To Allah in Islam)?

Few Points:
a) Nubwat and Prophethood was given to "Bashar" (Mortal) People from among the people;
b) The Bashar to whom Allah gave Nubwaat never told his followers to become his "servants", instead of Allah's servants;
c) Saying like this is equal to "becoming Kafir after becoming Muslim".

I think the above two verses, solution everything with regard to "Ghulamiyaat".
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This Ayath is talking about ONCE AGAIN about Ibidaat
not any thing else.

 

[Abdul Allah]

قَالَتْ لَهُمْ رُسُلُهُمْ إِنْ نَحْنُ إِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِثْلُكُمْ وَلَٰكِنَّ اللَّهَ يَمُنُّ عَلَىٰ مَنْ يَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِهِ ۖ وَمَا كَانَ لَنَا أَنْ نَأْتِيَكُمْ بِسُلْطَانٍ إِلَّا بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ ۚ وَعَلَى اللَّهِ فَلْيَتَوَكَّلِ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{11**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 14:11] Their messengers said to them: We are nothing but mortals like yourselves, but Allah bestows (His) favors on whom He pleases of His servants, and it is not for us that we should bring you an authority except by Allah's permission; and on Allah should the believers rely.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 14:11] Their messengers said unto them: We are but mortals like you, but Allah giveth grace unto whom He will of His slaves. It is not ours to bring you a warrant unless by the permission of Allah. In Allah let believers put their trust![/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 14:11] Their messengers said to them: "True, we are human like yourselves, but Allah doth grant His grace to such of his servants as He pleases. It is not for us to bring you an authority except as Allah permits. And on Allah let all men of faith put their trust.

If you can read well. Look Prophets themselves are admitting, Now according to your Criteria, where you are putting them????
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Question anwsered
They said they are bashar like us.
But
can you say that you are bashar like them.

 

[Abdul Allah]

If anyone READ this with care and open mind then he will get the answer

بعد از خدا بزرگ تو ہی یہ قصہ مختصر

 

[babadeena]

Derar babadeena, the important point to note here is contrast between other people and the prophets that is shown by Allah. The conjunction but is very important in these like verses. It is for showing clear difference between humanity of prophets and other human beings. Allah shows to prophets what others cannot see and makes them hear what others cannot hear for example. Their brains are made able to receive revelation from allah. The power working through prophets makes them special human beings if you like. They cannot be called basher in normal sense of the word because that negates their capability of being able to receive revelation from allah.

If you had taken into account my post No.66. The words written in brackets) say what u wish to say, i suppose. I know it very well.
how they were bashar like us and how they were different from us. Only the few are not accepting the reality that
first and foremost they were "bashar" from the People (Min anfosaykum)!

 

[nasir ahmed]

dear wahabi i gave the verses but your donkey brain could not comprehand them the kaffirs have always called the prophets bashar. The surah is At- taghabun the verse is 6 the translator is Pickthall " That was beacause their messengers kept coming unto them with clear proofs but they said, shall mere mortals guide us? so they disbelieved and turned away"

The attribute of calling prophets bashar is the way of the kuffar. The are bashar only in the physical sense. If Allah(swt) calls them bashar then communication is between Allah(swt) and them not you dumbo. There are dosens of Ayah in the quran were the disbelivers have called the prophets bashar to state how can we follow anither man like us. The only other group who do this is the wahabi and deos the follow in the footsteps of there predecessors the quran is a guide it teaches us how the disbelivers of that present age behaved with the prophets.