SUFI MUSIC ----- Whats the reality?

[Pakistani1947]

پاکستان کی کسی بستی میں چلے جاہیں وہاں بلھے شاہ، فرید، باہو، (نیز رحمان بابا و لطیف وغیرہ ) کی کافیوں کا چرچا پائیں گے - مولانا رومی کی مثنوی ، جامی کی یوسف زلیخا اور سادی کی گلستان صدیوں سے پڑھی جا رہی ہیں اور دوسری طرف خود ہمارے عہد میں ایسے سینکڑوں شعراء و ادباء جن کی تخلیقات سے ان کے ہمسائے تک نہ آشنا ہیں - انہیں نہ قبول عام حاصل ہے، نہ رنگ دوام - حالانکہ ان میں بعض کے کلام میں فصاحت و بلاغت کے تمام اوصاف پائے جاتے ہیں اور خیال میں بھی خاصی پرواز و ندرت ہے - بعض ایسے ادیب بھی ہیں جن کے نام سے تو سب آشنا ہیں لیکن ان کا کلام عظمت و احترام سے محروم ہے -
سوال یہ پیدا ہوتا ہے کہ اس قبول عام و احترام کی کیا وجہ ہے؟ اس سوال کے کئی جواب ہو سکتے ہیں ، مثلاً ادیب کا اسلوب انوکھا تھا، شاعر کے خیالات میں پرواز تھی، موضوع کلام کا بلند تھا - و قس علی هذا - اسی سوال کا ایک جواب قرآن نے دیا ہے اور وہ یہ کہ
انّا نا شئیہ اللیل ھی اشد و طاء و ا قوم قیل... (مزمل)
اس آیت میں "ا قوم" کا لفظ تشریح چاہتا ہے - اس کا مادہ ق-و-م ہے جس سے مختلف مشتاقف تیار ہوئے - مثلا قیام ، تقوم ، اقامت ، قوام ، قیم ، قائم ، استقامہ ، وغیرہ ...ان کے مانے جدا جدا ہیں - لیکن ایک مفہوم ایسا ہے جو ان تمام میں مشترک ہے اور وہ ہے ثبات ، مضبوطی یا استحکام، تو ا قوم کے مانے ہوں گے، بہت مضبوط، پائدار، اور محکم اور آیت کا ترجمہ ہو گا
" تحقیق شب خیزی نفس کو کچلنے اور کلام کو محکم اور پائدار بنانے میں بہت ممد ہے -"

Pakistan is in current situation of mess because Pakistanis have left Quaan and Sunnah and are involved in all kind of SKIRK and biddat including Qabar Parsti, Mazar Parasti, Peeri Mureedi, URS and Dhamal. This is obviously a gift of Hindu culture in the sub-continent.

May Allah give nation hidayat (Aameen)

 

[sngilani]

I can answer and shatter your myth but for sake of wisdom me letting people see your true stance about four mazhabs which is Jamaat Ahlus Sunnah. You people have been played into it. Ouch it hurts. Those people who r from Jamaat Ahlus Sunnah and were believing in your propoganda should see and know your views which eventually end up hating Jinnah and Iqbal and Pakistan.

Pakistan was created by Muslims and these were those Muslims those who dont believe in your propoganda and were in majority. They had same beliefs of Sunnis and Shias of today which you call kafirs. You people r proving that Pakistan was not made by Muslims but by mushriks and kafirs. Me enjoying very much and people should see your true face.

Well done Cheeko, You have revealed their true faces. They are foreign funded brains. Millions of dollors from black gold are being spent to create such biggoted brains since Zia era in our beloved Pakistan.

 

[sngilani]

Pakistan is in current situation of mess because Pakistanis have left Quaan and Sunnah and are involved in all kind of SKIRK and biddat including Qabar Parsti, Mazar Parasti, Peeri Mureedi, URS and Dhamal.

May Allah give nation hidayat (Aameen)

دعاۓ سحرگاہی کا نتیجہ کلام کا دوام و استحکام کیوں ہے ؟ عقل سمجھنے سے قا صر ہے لیکن انسان کا تجربہ اور مشاہدہ یہ ہے کہ ہمیشہ ایسا ہوتا رہا ہے اور غالبا سلطان باہو اور بابا بلّھے شاہ کی قبولیت کی وجہ بھی یہی تھی ، اقبال بھی اس راز سے اگاہ تھے، فرماتے ہیں ؛
عطار ہو، رومی ہو، رازی ہو، غزالی ہو،
کچھ ہاتھ نہیں آتا بے آہ سحر گاہی !

اورساتھ ہی علامہ اقبال سحر خیز بھی تھے - ٣١ اکتوبر ١٩١٦ کو اک خط میں جو مہاراجہ سر کشن سنگھ پرشاد کے نام تھا، لکھتے ہیں
"صبح چار بجے، کبھی تین بجے اٹھتا ہوں اس کے بعد نہیں سوتا، سواۓ اس کے کہ مصلّے پر اونگھ جاؤں " [اقبال نامہ ، حصّہ اول، ٤٤-٤٥ ]

اقبال نے الله سے کبھی دولت و حشمت نہیں مانگی ، بلکہ ہمیشہ شور مولانا رومی و صدق حکیم سنائی کی تمنا کی؛

عطا کن شور رومی ، سوز خرد
عطا کن صدق و اخلاص سنائی

اور بعض اشعار سے پتا چلتا ہے کہ انھے یہ دولت حاصل ہو گئی تھی؛
بیا بمجلس اقبال یک دو ساغر کش!
اگرچہ سر نتراشد قلندری داند !

یا

اگرچہ زادہ ہندم، فروغ چشم من است
ز خاک پاک بخارا و کابل و تبریز

اور اپنے کلام کے متعلق فرماتے ہیں؛
مسنج معنی من درعیار ہند و عجم
کہ اصل ایں گہر از گریہ ہاۓ نیم شب است

 

[Cheeko]

Pakistan is in current situation of mess because Pakistanis have left Quaan and Sunnah and are involved in all kind of SKIRK and biddat including Qabar Parsti, Mazar Parasti, Peeri Mureedi, URS and Dhamal. This is obviously a gift of Hindu culture in the sub-continent.

May Allah give nation hidayat (Aameen)

Infact its the other way round kid. Since the inception of petro dollars flowing freely into the bank accounts of certain money hungry mir jafars and mir sadiqs of Islam and Pakistan we have been in such a mess. The only one thing which we didnt have in 1947 were these petro dollar funded jerks. The rest of the Islamic rituals are being carried out in the region since the arrival of Islamic luminaries centuries ago.

 

[Cheeko]

Well done Cheeko, You have revealed their true faces. They are foreign funded brains. Millions of dollors from black gold are being spent to create such biggoted brains since Zia era in our beloved Pakistan.

Thanks for your encouraging words Gilani.

 

[Cheeko]

Rest assure that Pakistan and Islam is here to stay O you Najdi followers. I warn Najdi rulers again to stop meddling in our affairs otherwise they will loose their throne of Riyadh. We know how you dealt with Sayyid al- Maliki and Ottoman khilafat and other people belonging to Jamaat Ahlus Sunnah and if we decide to take revenge then you will end up on the loosing side.

Turkey has stood back on its feet and we r rising up soon as well inshALLAH.

So its better to chill out in your palaces lest you be returned to your tents.

 

[babadeena]

Pakistan is in current situation of mess because Pakistanis have left Quaan and Sunnah and are involved in all kind of SKIRK and biddat including Qabar Parsti, Mazar Parasti, Peeri Mureedi, URS and Dhamal. This is obviously a gift of Hindu culture in the sub-continent.
May Allah give nation hidayat (Aameen)

Absolutely! Allah(SWT) may tolerate Kufir because it is open but munafqat and shirk, that destroys everything.
BTW sometime I think IQBAL was bestowed so rich mind, had he concentrated on Quran, he must
have become an encyclopaedia of it. But he opted for poetry, well about poets some kind of
verses are in Quran also.

 

[sngilani]

 

[Pakistani1947]

Falsely accusing (بھتان) anybody

Infact its the other way round kid. Since the inception of petro dollars flowing freely into the bank accounts of certain money hungry mir jafars and mir sadiqs of Islam and Pakistan we have been in such a mess. The only one thing which we didnt have in 1947 were these petro dollar funded jerks. The rest of the Islamic rituals are being carried out in the region since the arrival of Islamic luminaries centuries ago.

Cheeko, please think before you attempt to falsely accuse (بھتان) anybody. Read below what Quraan and Hadeeth say about this issue.

[FONT=&quot]وَالَّذِينَ يُؤْذُونَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُؤْمِنَاتِ بِغَيْرِ مَا اكْتَسَبُوا فَقَدِ احْتَمَلُوا بُهْتَانًا وَإِثْمًا مُّبِينًا[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]Quraan 33:58 And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]اور جو ایمان دار مردوں اور عورتوں کو ناکردہ گناہوں پر ستاتے ہیں سو وہ اپنے سر بہتان اور صریح گناہ لیتے ہیں[/FONT]​

Sayyiduna Abu Hurayra (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Avoid suspicion, for suspicion is the greatest of lies in talk and do not be inquisitive about one another and do not spy upon one another and do not feel envy of one another, and nurse no malice, and nurse no aversion and hostility against one another. And be fellow-brothers and servants of Allah.” (Sahih Muslim, No: 2563)

 

[Cheeko]

Re: Falsely accusing (بھتان) anybody

Cheeko, please think before you attempt to falsely accuse (بھتان) anybody. Read below what Quraan and Hadeeth say about this issue.

[FONT=&quot]وَالَّذِينَ يُؤْذُونَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُؤْمِنَاتِ بِغَيْرِ مَا اكْتَسَبُوا فَقَدِ احْتَمَلُوا بُهْتَانًا وَإِثْمًا مُّبِينًا[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]Quraan 33:58 And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]اور جو ایمان دار مردوں اور عورتوں کو ناکردہ گناہوں پر ستاتے ہیں سو وہ اپنے سر بہتان اور صریح گناہ لیتے ہیں[/FONT]​

Sayyiduna Abu Hurayra (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Avoid suspicion, for suspicion is the greatest of lies in talk and do not be inquisitive about one another and do not spy upon one another and do not feel envy of one another, and nurse no malice, and nurse no aversion and hostility against one another. And be fellow-brothers and servants of Allah.” (Sahih Muslim, No: 2563)

I think this is for you kid. You read it again.

 

[Cheeko]

For those people who revere humanic satans like yazeed and elevate him to a higher status and title him as raziallah need to read the following

Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah , and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of Taghut. So fight against the allies of Satan. Indeed, the plot of Satan has ever been weak [4:86]

O children of Adam, let not Satan tempt you as he removed your parents from Paradise, stripping them of their clothing to show them their private parts. Indeed, he sees you, he and his tribe, from where you do not see them. Indeed, We have made the devils allies to those who do not believe [7:27]

 

[sngilani]

 

[Cheeko]

Again something for those who dont know.

Sahih Bukhari chapter 23

428
Narrated 'Uqba bin 'Amir: One day the Prophet went out and offered the funeral prayers of the martyrs of Uhud and then went up the pulpit and said, "I will pave the way for you as your predecessor and will be a witness on you. By Allah! I see my Fount (Kauthar) just now and I have been given the keys of all the treasures of the earth (or the keys of the earth). By Allah! I am not afraid that you will worship others along with Allah after my death, but I am afraid that you will fight with one another for the worldly things." ​

So please dont force us to fight you because the majority of Muslims over the centuries from east to west cant be wrong and all along I have given you examples from Quran and Hadees and interestingly you people have been siding with those who are creating wrong interpretations of Quranic Ayaat and refute Hadees i.e. the Quranites. We have enemy at our gates and they are known as zionists and on the other side we have the brahmins. But unfortunately we will have no option but to save as much as Pakistanis and Muslims as we can and we wont mind to sacrifice you for the greater cause.

If you still think otherwise then May Allah guide you and show you the right path Ameen.​

 

[basim973]

Thanks for your encouraging words Gilani.

You call me sufi, I 'll call u mullan. What a contractual brotherhood.

 

[basim973]

Zaid Hamid, u bring in another controversial figure and then u complain that we have personal issues with this person.
Look at the following link a big opposition to this man was from your own ppl............Bralvi and sufi..........which I support because this man has a suspicious background and intentions............... check 4 urself
http://zaidhamidexposition.org/

 

[basim973]

I am posting my message again as brother Sngilani and Cheeko are fighting a lost battle because of lack of understanding, sense and morality.
My response b4 to this post was without listening to this ........i have listened only few seconds of it ....now the brother who has posted this is a very bad defender of sufism, infact he has drowned the boat of sufism in the middle of sea. Thank you brother for posting this, it ends the debate here as sufism by these two ppl (who both r not muslims) is not islam, any1 shia or sunni or both or neither can b sufi.......
Brother Cheeko donot miss it please.

Thank you again, truth makes its own way and liars have no heavens

For details see post 201-220

 

[sngilani]

I am posting my message again as brother Sngilani and Cheeko are fighting a lost battle because of lack of understanding, sense and morality.
My response b4 to this post was without listening to this ........i have listened only few seconds of it ....now the brother who has posted this is a very bad defender of sufism, infact he has drowned the boat of sufism in the middle of sea. Thank you brother for posting this, it ends the debate here as sufism by these two ppl (who both r not muslims) is not islam, any1 shia or sunni or both or neither can b sufi.......
Brother Cheeko donot miss it please.

Thank you again, truth makes its own way and liars have no heavens

For details see post 201-220

I have explained many times in my previous posts but your eyes are still closed. Try to open your both eyes- inner and outer. By codifying the sharīah, jurisprudence delineates the manner in which people should submit their activities to the instructions of the Qurān and the sunnah. Kalām defines the contents of Islamic faith while providing a rational defence for Qurān teachings about God. Sufism focuses on giving full due to both submission and faith, so it functions on two levels—theory (corresponding to īmān) and practice (corresponding to islām). On the theoretical level, Sufism explains the rationale for both faith and submission. Its explanations differ from those of kalām both in perspective and focus, but they are no less carefully rooted in the sources of the tradition. On the practical level, Sufism explains how Muslims can strengthen their understanding and observance of Islam in order to find God's presence in themselves and the world. It intensifies Islamic ritual life through careful attention to the details of the sunnah and by focusing on the remembrance of God (dhikr), which is commanded by the Qurān and the ḥadīth.
If you are not understanding Tasussaf and Sufism then read Iqbal to comprehend it.

 

[sahiL]

babadeen and basim brothers tried enough to make ....cheeko and sngilani ......understand the truth but.....Alas u guys have failed to make them see reason n reality.....but im gonna give it a try 4 the last time
so brother cheeko n sngilani......last question....n cheeko bro ...don,t tell me i come once in a day without any proofs n leave kuz i,ve been following this particular thread
....plz don,t copy n paste a book here just answer me yes/no
.....can u overwrite Quran n Hadith with sufism/iqbalism/auliaism/ n many izms
do u think Quran n Hadiths were not enough for a human being to lead a life so we need all these isms?
plz answer

 

[sahiL]

n cheeko brother im very dejected.....the way u reply to brothers calling them wahabi/najdi/ahle hadiths
its not a right way to convince somebody even if u,re telling them Quran n Hadithr
n brother cheeko if wahabism is to follow Quran n Hadith then im a wahabi
if Ahle Hadith is propagate Quran n Sunnah then im a Ahle Hadith
if .......................................................................Sunni
................4get about all these isms wahabis n sunnis n Ahle Hadiths
just be a simple Muslim who follows Quran/Hadiths.......if u do that....u can,t be astrayed

 

[sahiL]

Allah hum sabko Seerat e Mustakeem pe chalaye......Ameen