SUFI MUSIC ----- Whats the reality?

[sngilani]

Do you think that the Shytani Raqs can make Pakistan rise?

Do'nt spread hatret and promote secretarian devide on this forum. We all know Shia and Sunni have been blaming each other for creating febricated Hadeeths for last 1400 years. I object strongly and demand from admin of Siasatpk to close this and similar threads permanently.

 

[basim973]

Re: Crazy Suffis

I donot know what effects these will make on the senseless followers of this faith.

But I am scared to see in details what a flighty, ugly and disgusting face this faith has in it.

Before isalm ppl used to do a lot dancing and strange stuff around kabba during Tawaf.........Islam pulled us out of this ignorance and now ppl r falling into the same trap.

Thanks for posting these eyes opening horrifying videos.

May Allah guide us all (Ameen)

 

[basim973]

Najdis read your books complete.

Shaikh ul-Islam Ibn Taymiyya's Opinion on the Celebration of the Mawlid ​

This is Imam Ibn Taymiyya's opinion about Mawlid from: "the Collected Fatwas," ("Majma' Fatawi Ibn Taymiyya,") Vol. 23, p. 163: "fa-t'adheem al-Mawlid wat-tikhaadhuhu mawsiman qad yaf'alahu ba'ad an-naasi wa yakunu lahu feehi ajra `adheem lihusni qasdihi t'adheemihi li-Rasulillahi, salla-Allahu `alayhi wa sallam"

"To celebrate and to honor the birth of the Prophet (s) and to take it as an honored season, as some of the people are doing, is good and in it there is a great reward, because of their good intentions in honoring the Prophet (s)."

Ibn Qayyim's Opinion on Recitation of the Prophet's (s) Birthday ​

Allama Ibn Qayyim al Jawziyyah, the best and most reknowned student of Shaikh ul-Islam Ibn Taymiyya, writes, on page 498 of "Madarij as-Salikin,"

"Listening to a good voice celebrating the birthday of the Prophet (s) or celebrating any of the holy days in our history gives peace to the heart, and gives the listener light from the Prophet (s) to his heart, and he will drink more from the Muhammadan spring (`ayn al-Muhammadiyya)."

Ibn Kathir Praises the Night of Mawlid ​

One of the most reknowned scholars is Ibn Kathir. Ibn Kathir was a muhaddith from the followers of Shaikh ul-Islam Ibn Taymiyya, rahmatullah `alayh. Ibn Kathir, in the last days of his life wrote a book entitled "Mawlid Rasul Allah (s)" which was spread far and wide. That book mentioned the permissibility and recommendability of celebrating the Mawlid.

Ibn Kathir says in the aforementioned book, p. 19:
"The Night of the Prophet's (s) birth is a magnificent, noble, blessed and holy night, a night of bliss for the believers, pure, radiant with lights and of immeasurable price."

Shaikh ul-Islam Ibn Taymiyya Said: "Laylat al-'Israa' wal-Mi'raj is Greater than Laylat al-Qadr"


Imam Ibn Taymiyya said that Laylat al-'Israa' wal-Mi'raj was better than Laylat al-Qadr. He is quoted by Ibn Qayyim in the latter's book, "al-Badaa'i," Vol. 3, page 162: "wa suila shaikh ul-Islam `an Laylat ul-Qadri wa Laylat ul- 'Israai' ayyuhuma afdal? Fa-ajaaba bi-anna Laylat ul-'Israai' afdal fee haqq in-Nabee"

"Shaikh ul-Islam Ibn Taymiyya was asked, `Which is better, Laylat al-Qadr or Laylat al-'Israa'?' and he answered, `With respect to the Prophet (s), Laylat al-'Israa' is better than Laylat al-Qadr.'"

The Importance of Laylat al-Mawlid ​

Now we ask: If Ibn Taymiyya accepted that Laylat al-'Israa' may be considered better than Laylat ul-Qadr, why not consider that Laylat al-Mawlid is better than Laylat al-'Israa', since the Night of the Prophet's (s) Birth is the night in which was born the one who went to `Isra' and Mi'raaj? Therefore we say, as Ibn Marzuq, the reknowned student of Imam Nawawi said: "Laylat al-Mawlid is better than Laylat al-Qadr."

Ibn Kathir Mentions The Prophet (s) Accepting Poetry in His Honor ​

In the time of the Prophet (s), it is well-known that poets came to him with all kinds of works praising him, writing about his campaigns and battles and about the Sahaba. This is proved by the numerous poems quoted in the Siras of Ibn Hisham, al-Waqidi, and others. The Prophet (s) was happy with good poetry. It is reported in Bukhari's "al-Adab al-Mufrad" that he said: "There is wisdom in poetry."


Ibn Kathir says in his "Mawlid," page 30: "The Prophet's (s) uncle al-'Abbas (r) composed poetry praising the birth of the Prophet (s), in which are found the following lines: `When you were born, the earth was shining, and the firmament barely contained your light, and we can pierce through, thanks to that radiance and light and path of guidance.'"

Ibn Kathir mentions the fact that according to the Sahaba, the Prophet (s) praised his own name and recited poetry about himself in the middle of the battle of Hunayn in order to encourage the Companions and frighten the enemies. That day he said (s): "Ana an-Nabee, laa kadhib Ana ibn `abd al-Muttalib" meaning: "I am the Prophet! This is no lie. I am the son of `Abd al-Muttalib!"

Ibn Qayyim on the Singing and Recitation of Poetry ​

`Allama Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya wrote in his book "Madarij as- Salikin," Vol. 1:
"the Prophet (s) also gave permission to sing in wedding celebrations, and allowed poetry to be recited to him. He heard Anas (r) and the Companions praising him and reciting poems while digging before the famous battle of the Trench (Khandaq) as they said: "We are the ones who gave bay'ah to Muhammad for jihad as long as we are living."

Ibn Qayyim also mentions `Abdullah ibn Rawaha's long poem praising the Prophet (s) as the latter entered Mecca, after which, the Prophet (s) prayed for him. He prayed that Allah support Hassan, another poet, with the Holy Spirit as long as he would support the Prophet (s) with his poetry. Similarly the Prophet (s) rewarded Ka'b ibn Zubayr's poem of praise with a robe. Ibn Qayyim continues, "`A'isha always recited poems praising him and he was happy with her."

Ibn Qayyim on the Melodious Recitation of Qur'an ​

Ibn al-Qayyim says in the same book, page 488, "Allah gave permission to his Prophet (s) to recite the Qur`an in a melodious way. "

Ibn Qayyim continues, "The Prophet (s) said, `Decorate the Qur'an with your voices,' and `Who does not sing the Qur'an is not from us.' Ibn Qayyim comments on page 490: "To take pleasure in a good voice is acceptable, as is taking pleasure from nice scenery, such as mountains or nature, or from a nice smell, or from good food, as long as it is conforming to shari'a. If listening to a good voice is haram, then taking pleasure in all these other things is also haram."

Ibn Taymiyya's Opinion on the Meetings of Dhikr ​

The following is the opinion of Shaikh ul-Islam Ibn Taymiyya on meetings of dhikr. It can be found in Vol. 22, page 253 of the Collected Fatwas, King Khalid ibn `Abdul `Aziz edition ("Majma'a Fatawa Ibn Taymiyya"):

Ibn Taymiyya was asked about people that gather in a masjid making dhikr and reading Qur'an, praying to Allah and taking their turbans off their heads (leaving their heads bare) and crying, while their intention is not pride nor showing off but seeking to draw closer to Allah: is it acceptable or not?
He replied: Not only is it acceptable but it is good and recommended.


Wa min Allah at-tawfiq (from Allah is all success).
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Here you go again, copy-paste, a very easy trick to avoid the question and divert the attention from the topic.

 

[basim973]

Avoid showing me videos in which people transgress the boundaries in my personal opinion. Some videos you showed like sticking of knives in ones head can be called a performance but not an Islamic ritual. Similarly women doing raqs with jeans and stuff is also just a performance and not an Islamic ritual. So your conjectures by mixing and twisting are just baseless and reveals your true intentions of befooling people and to call them towards najdism with your fake propoganda.

I have shown you the Hadees which tells about wajd. All these are authentic and non of the Hadees that I showed are zaeef. I challenge you to prove them as zaeef.

No one has told that remembering Allah by zikr and going into wajd is prohibited from any source and yet your inquisition of whether the Last Messenger peace be upon him preached it or not only reveals your malintentions. Last Messenger peace be upon him has allowed to do all this during festivities and I never told that this is some farz act to be done five times a day. All actions that he doesnt specifically prohibits happening in front of him stand allowed. A person who doesnt starts his day early morning with Fajar prayers and instead involves in irrelevant actions is wrong. So all this I told is to give documentary evidence that this isnt forbidden. Remembering Allah while sitting and standing and on the side is even told in Quran. If someone apart from the minimum required farz actions of salat and zakat and fasting and hajj still remembers Allah or attracts people especially non-muslims towards Him then there is nothing wrong in it.

Another proof, lack of sense, you do not even understand why these videos were posted............Yet u r trying to fight a lost battle like a scholar.
But I pray to Allah (SWT) to forgive us and to show us all the right path (Ameen)

 

[Pakistani1947]

Hadrat Abu huraira (???? ???? ???) going into wajd/swoon 3 timesTranslation:

Shufayya Asbahi narrated: I entered Madinah and came upon a man around whom people had gathered. I asked, “Who is he?” They said, “Abu Hurayrah (R.A)“ So, I went near him till I sat down opposite him while he was narrating hadith to the people. When he paused and was alone I said to him, “I ask you by Truth, by Allah, narrate to me a hadith that you may have heard from Allah’s Messenger (SAW), understood it and remembered it.” He said, “ I will do that, narrate to you a hadith that Allah’s Messenger narrated to me and I understood it and I remember it” Then he shrieked and fell unconscious and revived after a while and repeated, “Surely, I will narrate to you a hadith that Allah’s Messenger (SAW) narrated to me in this house, there being no one else with us, only I and he.” Then, Abu Hurayrah shrieked loudly and fell unconscious. He recovered shortly, wired his face and said, “I will do it. Surely I will narrate to you a hadith that Allah’s Messenger narrated to me I and he were in this house, there being no one else with us, besides me and him.” Then he shrieked loudly and fell unconscious and, as he was falling done on his face, I supported him for a long time. Then he regained consciousness and said, “Allah’s Messenger (SAW) narrated....

Then he regained consciousness and said, “Allah’s Messenger (SAW) narrated to me that on the Day of Resurrection, Allah the Exalted, will come down to the worshippers to judge between them and all the ummahs will kneel down. .......

Do not quote irrelevant Hadeeth to justify SHIRKIA and Bidatti actions. How can you justify the Wajad in Shirkia Qawali and dhamal. Where in the above Hadith it is mention that Nauzoblillah Abu huraira (???? ???? ???) went into Wajad after listening to Shirkia Qawali and Dhamal? He might have become unconscious due to old age or weakness.

What kind of "wajad" is This?

 

[Cheeko]

Here you go again, copy-paste, a very easy trick to avoid the question and divert the attention from the topic.

I think you have been blinded. Its related to the ongoing current discussion. These tricks dont work on me. Try someone else.

 

[basim973]

Do'nt spread hatret and promote secretarian devide on this forum. We all know Shia and Sunni have been blaming each other for creating febricated Hadeeths for last 1400 years. I object strongly and demand from admin of Siasatpk to close this and similar threads permanently.

Talking chana reply is joe..............u donot really understand the context...........have a sleep if u r so tired.

 

[Cheeko]

Another proof, lack of sense, you do not even understand why these videos were posted............Yet u r trying to fight a lost battle like a scholar.
But I pray to Allah (SWT) to forgive us and to show us all the right path (Ameen)

A lost battle. Then why are you hanging around. I am laughing on you.

May Allah guide us Ameen.

 

[basim973]

I think you have been blinded. Its related to the ongoing current discussion. These tricks dont work on me. Try someone else.

U can make a perfect politician for : (i) being caught red handed many times lieing and defending a wrong concepts from your own posts, (ii) not understanding the sequence of posts sent by many brothers, (iii) diverting the topic, and (iv) crow is white.

What can any1 do here?

 

[basim973]

A lost battle. Then why are you hanging around. I am laughing on you.

May Allah guide us Ameen.

I am hanging around to make u laugh,may b when u have enough of laughing u start thinking and may Allah open your eyes then (Ameen)

 

[Cheeko]

Do not quote irrelevant Hadeeth to justify SHIRKIA and Bidatti actions. How can you justify the Wajad in Shirkia Qawali and dhamal. Where in the above Hadith it is mention that Nauzoblillah Abu huraira (???? ???? ???) went into Wajad after listening to Shirkia Qawali and Dhamal? He might have become unconscious due to old age or weakness.

The group in this video are doing strange acts and they are found in Irani Kurdistan and I think are banned by the government. How can using knives and bleeding yourself be even any sort of treatment these days. They are inspired from a sect of Christianity who torture themselves just like Jesus Christ was tortured. This is clearly Islamic or any thing told by any Aulia Allah. Although their music is inspiring and is commendable but some of the people also havent taken a bath for many days by the looks of it.

Anything shirkia in any qawali or namaz or any other action is not allowed but then we have different interpretations of shirk. You havent read all the Hadees about raqs and wajd. First read all of that and tell. Not by selective and choosy criticism.

 

[Cheeko]

U can make a perfect politician for : (i) being caught red handed many times lieing and defending a wrong concepts from your own posts, (ii) not understanding the sequence of posts sent by many brothers, (iii) diverting the topic, and (iv) crow is white.

What can any1 do here?

You can resume your najdi type propoganda. The one who I am discussing hasnt said that.

 

[Cheeko]

I am hanging around to make u laugh,may b when u have enough of laughing u start thinking and may Allah open your eyes then (Ameen)

It looks that its happening the other way round. Your interest in what I post is an obvious witness to the fact.

 

[Pakistani1947]

It looks that its happening the other way round. Your interest in what I post is an obvious witness to the fact.

Cheeko, Do not fool around answer my question:

Hadrat Abu huraira (???? ???? ???) going into wajd/swoon 3 timesTranslation:

Shufayya Asbahi narrated: I entered Madinah and came upon a man around whom people had gathered. I asked, “Who is he?” They said, “Abu Hurayrah (R.A)“ So, I went near him till I sat down opposite him while he was narrating hadith to the people. When he paused and was alone I said to him, “I ask you by Truth, by Allah, narrate to me a hadith that you may have heard from Allah’s Messenger (SAW), understood it and remembered it.” He said, “ I will do that, narrate to you a hadith that Allah’s Messenger narrated to me and I understood it and I remember it” Then he shrieked and fell unconscious and revived after a while and repeated, “Surely, I will narrate to you a hadith that Allah’s Messenger (SAW) narrated to me in this house, there being no one else with us, only I and he.” Then, Abu Hurayrah shrieked loudly and fell unconscious. He recovered shortly, wired his face and said, “I will do it. Surely I will narrate to you a hadith that Allah’s Messenger narrated to me I and he were in this house, there being no one else with us, besides me and him.” Then he shrieked loudly and fell unconscious and, as he was falling done on his face, I supported him for a long time. Then he regained consciousness and said, “Allah’s Messenger (SAW) narrated....

Then he regained consciousness and said, “Allah’s Messenger (SAW) narrated to me that on the Day of Resurrection, Allah the Exalted, will come down to the worshippers to judge between them and all the ummahs will kneel down. .......

Do not quote irrelevant Hadeeth to justify SHIRKIA and Bidatti actions. How can you justify the Wajad in Shirkia Qawali and dhamal. Where in the above Hadith it is mention that Nauzoblillah Abu huraira (???? ???? ???) went into Wajad after listening to Shirkia Qawali and Dhamal? He might have become unconscious due to old age or weakness.

 

[Pakistani1947]

After watching these videos, I am thinking, how can we do Dawah in a non-Islamic countries. How would we convince non-Muslims that these video belong to a minor sufi cult, and not representative of the Islam preached by our beloved Prophet Muhammad pbuh

 

[Cheeko]

Cheeko, Do not fool around answer my question:



Do not quote irrelevant Hadeeth to justify SHIRKIA and Bidatti actions. How can you justify the Wajad in Shirkia Qawali and dhamal. Where in the above Hadith it is mention that Nauzoblillah Abu huraira (رضّى الله عنه) went into Wajad after listening to Shirkia Qawali and Dhamal? He might have become unconscious due to old age or weakness.

As expected the najdis have been shocked and as a result have been blinded and cant read my replies. I have replied in my post number 351 but I will repeat. The group in this video are doing strange acts and they are found in Irani Kurdistan and I think are banned by the government. How can using knives and bleeding yourself be even any sort of treatment these days. They are inspired from a sect of Christianity who torture themselves just like Jesus Christ was tortured. This is clearly Islamic or any thing told by any Aulia Allah. Although their music is inspiring and is commendable but some of the people also havent taken a bath for many days by the looks of it.

Anything shirkia in any qawali or namaz or any other action is not allowed but then we have different interpretations of shirk. You havent read all the Hadees about raqs and wajd. First read all of that and tell instead of selective and choosy criticism.

 

[Cheeko]

After watching these videos, I am thinking, how can we do Dawah in a non-Islamic countries. How would we convince non-Muslims that these video belong to a minor sufi cult, and not representative of the Islam preached by our beloved Prophet Muhammad pbuh

The same way that you describe them that the throat slitters and suicide bombers belong to a minor najdi sect called najdism. Its simple and just requires one to apply common sense.

 

[Pakistani1947]

Cheeko, you are again fooling around answer my question:

Hadrat Abu huraira (???? ???? ???) going into wajd/swoon 3 timesTranslation:

Shufayya Asbahi narrated: I entered Madinah and came upon a man around whom people had gathered. I asked, “Who is he?” They said, “Abu Hurayrah (R.A)“ So, I went near him till I sat down opposite him while he was narrating hadith to the people. When he paused and was alone I said to him, “I ask you by Truth, by Allah, narrate to me a hadith that you may have heard from Allah’s Messenger (SAW), understood it and remembered it.” He said, “ I will do that, narrate to you a hadith that Allah’s Messenger narrated to me and I understood it and I remember it” Then he shrieked and fell unconscious and revived after a while and repeated, “Surely, I will narrate to you a hadith that Allah’s Messenger (SAW) narrated to me in this house, there being no one else with us, only I and he.” Then, Abu Hurayrah shrieked loudly and fell unconscious. He recovered shortly, wired his face and said, “I will do it. Surely I will narrate to you a hadith that Allah’s Messenger narrated to me I and he were in this house, there being no one else with us, besides me and him.” Then he shrieked loudly and fell unconscious and, as he was falling done on his face, I supported him for a long time. Then he regained consciousness and said, “Allah’s Messenger (SAW) narrated....

Then he regained consciousness and said, “Allah’s Messenger (SAW) narrated to me that on the Day of Resurrection, Allah the Exalted, will come down to the worshippers to judge between them and all the ummahs will kneel down. .......

Do not quote irrelevant Hadeeth to justify SHIRKIA and Bidatti actions. How can you justify the Wajad in Shirkia Qawali and dhamal. Where in the above Hadith it is mention that Nauzoblillah Abu huraira (???? ???? ???) went into Wajad after listening to Shirkia Qawali and Dhamal? He might have become unconscious due to old age or weakness.

Do you think Abu Huraira (???? ???? ???) would even think of doing Shytani acts like shown in this video (Nauzobillah)?

 

[Cheeko]

Cheeko, you are again fooling around answer my question:



Do not quote irrelevant Hadeeth to justify SHIRKIA and Bidatti actions. How can you justify the Wajad in Shirkia Qawali and dhamal. Where in the above Hadith it is mention that Nauzoblillah Abu huraira (???? ???? ???) went into Wajad after listening to Shirkia Qawali and Dhamal? He might have become unconscious due to old age or weakness.

I am really glad to get the signal that you are just using your utmost of capabilities to malign Islam. Some of the scenes in this video like using knives and swallowing fire cant be justified and I dont support them but I think that its some festival where they are performing these acts. Those are certainly not an Islamic ritual and it depends upon the intentions of the person doing. If his intention is to perform some act then fine but if he is doing thinking that its an Islamic ritual then its wrong. The person who uploaded the video on you tube seems to be using the occasion and scenes to malign Islam.

Now about Hazrat Abu Huraira r.a. dont mix up every thing with your maligning remarks. I didnt tell that he went into wajad by listening to any thing shirkia. Can you show me where I said that.

 

[Pakistani1947]

True face of sufi cult

Cheeko, you are again fooling around answer my question:

Hadrat Abu huraira (???? ???? ???) going into wajd/swoon 3 timesTranslation:

Shufayya Asbahi narrated: I entered Madinah and came upon a man around whom people had gathered. I asked, Who is he? They said, Abu Hurayrah (R.A) So, I went near him till I sat down opposite him while he was narrating hadith to the people. When he paused and was alone I said to him, I ask you by Truth, by Allah, narrate to me a hadith that you may have heard from Allahs Messenger (SAW), understood it and remembered it. He said, I will do that, narrate to you a hadith that Allahs Messenger narrated to me and I understood it and I remember it Then he shrieked and fell unconscious and revived after a while and repeated, Surely, I will narrate to you a hadith that Allahs Messenger (SAW) narrated to me in this house, there being no one else with us, only I and he. Then, Abu Hurayrah shrieked loudly and fell unconscious. He recovered shortly, wired his face and said, I will do it. Surely I will narrate to you a hadith that Allahs Messenger narrated to me I and he were in this house, there being no one else with us, besides me and him. Then he shrieked loudly and fell unconscious and, as he was falling done on his face, I supported him for a long time. Then he regained consciousness and said, Allahs Messenger (SAW) narrated....

Then he regained consciousness and said, Allahs Messenger (SAW) narrated to me that on the Day of Resurrection, Allah the Exalted, will come down to the worshippers to judge between them and all the ummahs will kneel down. .......

Do not quote irrelevant Hadeeth to justify SHIRKIA and Bidatti actions. How can you justify the Wajad in Shirkia Qawali and dhamal. Where in the above Hadith it is mention that Nauzoblillah Abu huraira (???? ???? ???) went into Wajad after listening to Shirkia Qawali and Dhamal? He might have become unconscious due to old age or weakness.

Do you think Abu Huraira (???? ???? ???) would even think of doing Shytani acts like shown in this video (Nauzobillah)?