H. Abu Yahya's reply to Eng Ali Mirza on his first comment after release

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Jis banday nay kabhi Quran Hadith ki taleem kisi Institution say hasil ni ki na is nay kisi say sekha wo kaisay reliable hu sakta hy. Hadith ki kitab uthai or maslay bayan karna shuru kar diye.
Is tarah to koi kisi ko compounder b ni rakhta yaha tak ky medicine ki shop par b kam ni kar sakta agar us nay taleem hasil na ki hu kisi recognised Institution sy.

Ye acha mazaq hy deeen ky sath ky jis ka dil krta hy 4 Hadith ki kitabay samnay rakh kay Scholor bun jata hy.
Tell me what kind of PhD you need to understand this clear simple verse:

(Qur'an 1:5) إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وَإِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِينُ
It is You we worship and You we ask for help.
ہم تیری ہی عبادت کرتے ہیں اور تجھ ہی سے مدد مانگتے ہیں

If we do not read the translation of Qur'an directly then even with following very clear verse (Qur'an 1:5) some of us will seek help (مشکل کشائی) from Ghus e Azam or Hazrat Ali (RA) instead of directly asking for help from Allah.
 

There is only 1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Tell me what kind of PhD you need to understand this clear simple verse:

(Qur'an 1:5) إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وَإِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِينُ
It is You we worship and You we ask for help.
ہم تیری ہی عبادت کرتے ہیں اور تجھ ہی سے مدد مانگتے ہیں

If we do not read the translation of Qur'an directly then even with following very clear verse (Qur'an 1:5) some of us will seek help (مشکل کشائی) from Ghus e Azam or Hazrat Ali (RA) instead of directly asking for help from Allah.
آج اس پر بات ہو ہی جائے
. . . . . .
اگر مدد صرف الله سے ہی مانگی جا سکتی ہے تو پھر روز مرہ کے کاموں میں دوسروں سے مدد لینا کیسا ہے ؟
کوشش کیجئے گا کہ اپنا جواب دلیل کے ساتھ دیں ، وگرنہ شاید اپنی بات میں آپ ہی پھنس جایئں گے
 
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Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

آج اس پر بات ہو ہی جائے
. . . . . .
اگر مدد صرف الله سے ہی مانگی جا سکتی ہے تو پھر روز مرہ کے کاموں میں دوسروں سے مدد لینا کیسا ہے ؟
کوشش کیجئے گا کہ اپنا جواب دلیل کے ساتھ دیں ، وگرنہ شاید اپنی بات میں آپ ہی پھنس جایئں گے
At the moment I have to rush. So I would just copy and paste post # 21 from an older thread, by member Hussain 1967 , I found that the member explained the SHIRK in very simple words. I hope it will do the job otherwise I will be in touch with you later, Insha-Allah.

Dear brother, Please Make sure you read it word by word carefully and than if you have any question please do ask, Thanks.

Following is post by Hussain 1967:

You are mixing up two entirely different things to save your ‘babas’. Getting or asking help from some living person or group of people through zaahiri asbaab is not Shirk at all. Rather, it is commandment of Allah. See Surah Araaf for proof.

However, if you ask for help from a living person without zaahiri asbaab ( maafooqul asbaab), it too is Shirk. For example, if you ask help from someone who is a living person but is not physically present in front of you, he wouldn’t be able to help you and you will be committing Shirk. Don’t use any physical means ( e.g. telephone) to prove your point. Telephone, radio, TV etc. all work on Physical laws of nature same as Sun, Moon etc. Just do one experiment. Ask for help from someone without using any physical mean ( telephone, letter etc.). Call for someone for help in your town or Mohalla and see what happens. If a living person can’t listen and respond to you when he is not in front of you, how come a dead person who is hundreds or thousands of Kilometres away will help you.

As far as asking help from people who left this world (died through any means including Shuhadaa), it is 100% shirk because they can’t listen you, and they can’t respond you. Try making a telephone call to a dead person or asking a glass of water from a dead person and see what happens. This same person, when he was alive, could have talked to you on phone and could have given you a glass of water.

Finally, what do you people get by protecting these baabas ( wali, ghous, qutab, abdaal, peer)? Why don’t you leave all babaas and other dead people at their own? Their own matter is with their Allah. Instead of asking help from them, you should help them by praying for them from Allah which might benefit them in grave. This is proven from Quraan Hadiths.

Put all your efforts to please Allah by praising Him through various means (acting upon five basic pillars of Islam, Zikr, duaa, helping others etc), acting upon the sayings of Holy Prophet Muhammad ( PBUH) and offering Durood upon him. In this way, you will be able to please Allah and get Shifaat of Prophet ( PBUH). This is the only shifaat ( sifaarish) which is proven from Quran and Hadith with authenticity

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drkhan22

Senator (1k+ posts)
Hafiz Abu Yaya saab has done an excellent job in exposing lies of Mirza Saani. Watch all his videos on youtube and find out how Mirza saani has been deceiving people for long time. Hats off to this man who is very polite, very learned and articulate in his programmes. Mirza so far has not repnded to any of his assertions due to his incapacity. Many of Mirza Saani followers have already said good bye after listening to Hafiz Saab. Bless him
 

midwayus

MPA (400+ posts)
Zarori hy bhai bohat zarori hy ky deen ki taleem mustanad institution or ulama sy hasil ki jaye.
Deen kya mazaq hy wo Ilm jis ko Allah ka Nabi (PBUH) lay kar aya or jis par dunya or akhrat ky faislay hunay hy us ky liye koi qualification ni jis ka dil kry apni marzi ky mutabiq us ka matlub nikal ly.
Kia agar koi sirf books parh lay tu usay Engineer, Doctor man liya jaye ga.

MUSHKIL YE HY DUNYA KY MAMLAY MAY TO QUALIFICATION OR INSTITUTION SAMAJ MAY ATA HY LAKIN DEEN KAY MAMLAY MAY...
bahi kabi Quran khuda saa parhnaya aur samjh na ki koshi ki ha

koi zarrori nahi mera bahi Quran mai khud aya hai

Hum na Quran ko tumhar liya Asaan bana diya tu is parho

urdu translation mai Quran available hain

Molvion nay tu kahanaiya banai hee Vee han

masla hamra saat yeah ka Quran partha nahi seda molvi ka pass chala Jah tay hain aur woh jo kaha ta us ko man lai tay hain Koshis bi nahi karta jo us na kaha us ko verify karna ki
 

midwayus

MPA (400+ posts)
I really don't take the side of any mullah. I have never watched him but, what i hear from you is that he is against all sects is enough for me. As you are aware of it that i do not belong to any sect (was Sunni) and the Quran categorically rejects sectarianism.


yes brother Engineer M. Ali is very nice person reality mai yeah sirf Quran or hadees par kar bata hain koi apni tarfa sa kahania nahi bana ta dosron ki terah


you must watch some of is video and you like you agree with him

realy muslim belive in 3 points only

1. ONLY 1 GOD
2. MUHAMMAD PBUH & HIS SUNNAT
3. QURAN & HADEES



BAQI SAAB KAHANIYA
 

midwayus

MPA (400+ posts)
Zarori hy bhai bohat zarori hy ky deen ki taleem mustanad institution or ulama sy hasil ki jaye.
Deen kya mazaq hy wo Ilm jis ko Allah ka Nabi (PBUH) lay kar aya or jis par dunya or akhrat ky faislay hunay hy us ky liye koi qualification ni jis ka dil kry apni marzi ky mutabiq us ka matlub nikal ly.
Kia agar koi sirf books parh lay tu usay Engineer, Doctor man liya jaye ga.

MUSHKIL YE HY DUNYA KY MAMLAY MAY TO QUALIFICATION OR INSTITUTION SAMAJ MAY ATA HY LAKIN DEEN KAY MAMLAY MAY...


BROTHER MUST LISTEN THIS CLIP

i dont how to upload clip
 

There is only 1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
At the moment I have to rush. So I would just copy and paste post # 21 from an older thread, by member Hussain 1967 , I found that the member explained the SHIRK in very simple words. I hope it will do the job otherwise I will be in touch with you later, Insha-Allah.

Dear brother, Please Make sure you read it word by word carefully and than if you have any question please do ask, Thanks.

Following is post by Hussain 1967:

You are mixing up two entirely different things to save your ‘babas’. Getting or asking help from some living person or group of people through zaahiri asbaab is not Shirk at all. Rather, it is commandment of Allah. See Surah Araaf for proof.

However, if you ask for help from a living person without zaahiri asbaab ( maafooqul asbaab), it too is Shirk. For example, if you ask help from someone who is a living person but is not physically present in front of you, he wouldn’t be able to help you and you will be committing Shirk. Don’t use any physical means ( e.g. telephone) to prove your point. Telephone, radio, TV etc. all work on Physical laws of nature same as Sun, Moon etc. Just do one experiment. Ask for help from someone without using any physical mean ( telephone, letter etc.). Call for someone for help in your town or Mohalla and see what happens. If a living person can’t listen and respond to you when he is not in front of you, how come a dead person who is hundreds or thousands of Kilometres away will help you.

As far as asking help from people who left this world (died through any means including Shuhadaa), it is 100% shirk because they can’t listen you, and they can’t respond you. Try making a telephone call to a dead person or asking a glass of water from a dead person and see what happens. This same person, when he was alive, could have talked to you on phone and could have given you a glass of water.

Finally, what do you people get by protecting these baabas ( wali, ghous, qutab, abdaal, peer)? Why don’t you leave all babaas and other dead people at their own? Their own matter is with their Allah. Instead of asking help from them, you should help them by praying for them from Allah which might benefit them in grave. This is proven from Quraan Hadiths.

Put all your efforts to please Allah by praising Him through various means (acting upon five basic pillars of Islam, Zikr, duaa, helping others etc), acting upon the sayings of Holy Prophet Muhammad ( PBUH) and offering Durood upon him. In this way, you will be able to please Allah and get Shifaat of Prophet ( PBUH). This is the only shifaat ( sifaarish) which is proven from Quran and Hadith with authenticity

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آپ سورہ الحمد کی آیت بیان کرتے ہیں
ہم تیری ہی عبادت کرتے ہیں اور تجھ ہی سے مدد مانگتے ہیں
جس کے مطابق مدد صرف الله سے مانگی جا سکتی ہے
لیکن اب آپ "تحت الاسباب " مدد مانگنے کو جائز قرار دے رہے ہیں
یعنی اس سے یہ تاثر ملتا ہے کہ قرآن میں اختلاف ہے (نعوز باللہ )کہ ایک آیت میں صرف الله سے مدد مانگنے کا حکم ہے اور دوسری میں مخلوق سے مانگنے کو جائز قرار دیا گیا ہے
اس لئے میں چاہتا ہوں کہ آپ ان آیات کی ایسی وضاحت دیں جن سے اختلاف کا تاثر نہ ملے
 

midwayus

MPA (400+ posts)
Zarori hy bhai bohat zarori hy ky deen ki taleem mustanad institution or ulama sy hasil ki jaye.
Deen kya mazaq hy wo Ilm jis ko Allah ka Nabi (PBUH) lay kar aya or jis par dunya or akhrat ky faislay hunay hy us ky liye koi qualification ni jis ka dil kry apni marzi ky mutabiq us ka matlub nikal ly.
Kia agar koi sirf books parh lay tu usay Engineer, Doctor man liya jaye ga.

MUSHKIL YE HY DUNYA KY MAMLAY MAY TO QUALIFICATION OR INSTITUTION SAMAJ MAY ATA HY LAKIN DEEN KAY MAMLAY MAY...


BROTHER MUST LISTEN THIS CLIP
facepalm-statue.jpg


Nahi to kya banday ko ulta aasman se latak na pardta hai? Why do you people think you need a doctorate to understand religion? Quran it self says it was reveled in clear and pure Arabic.

This is the whole beauty of our deen, there is no need for a clergy, the Mullah profession does not exist in Islam.


well done excellent brother you explain him very well i have one clip of Dr. ISRAR AHMED about molvi i dont know to load that clip


our DEEN& QURAN is very easy to understand only condition is that you are really want to understand Quran

Log Quran parhtay nahi aur Yeah bahass karna lag jah tay hain kun yeah jin Molvi ka pass jah tay hain woh inko darha tay hain
 

howsthat4u

Citizen
Jis banday nay kabhi Quran Hadith ki taleem kisi Institution say hasil ni ki na is nay kisi say sekha wo kaisay reliable hu sakta hy. Hadith ki kitab uthai or maslay bayan karna shuru kar diye.
Is tarah to koi kisi ko compounder b ni rakhta yaha tak ky medicine ki shop par b kam ni kar sakta agar us nay taleem hasil na ki hu kisi recognised Institution sy.

Ye acha mazaq hy deeen ky sath ky jis ka dil krta hy 4 Hadith ki kitabay samnay rakh kay Scholor bun jata hy.

tum jeso ke pas jub daleel or jwab ni hota tu aglay ki qabliyat or taleem pe baat krna shuru kr dete ho...
 

midwayus

MPA (400+ posts)
Zarori hy bhai bohat zarori hy ky deen ki taleem mustanad institution or ulama sy hasil ki jaye.
Deen kya mazaq hy wo Ilm jis ko Allah ka Nabi (PBUH) lay kar aya or jis par dunya or akhrat ky faislay hunay hy us ky liye koi qualification ni jis ka dil kry apni marzi ky mutabiq us ka matlub nikal ly.
Kia agar koi sirf books parh lay tu usay Engineer, Doctor man liya jaye ga.

MUSHKIL YE HY DUNYA KY MAMLAY MAY TO QUALIFICATION OR INSTITUTION SAMAJ MAY ATA HY LAKIN DEEN KAY MAMLAY MAY...




 

midwayus

MPA (400+ posts)
basically youtube per video main counter question nahi hota , aur aam awam knowledge nahi rakhti , to un ko jo bhi kaha jata hai wo jesay ap nay farmayia "apni samajh main theek lagteen hain"
barri achi missaal di ap nay bahi jaan matlab national TV per porn chala do , jis ke merzi ho gi dekhy , jis ke merzi ho na dekhay .
engineer saab to asay bayaan kartay hain jesay muslim 1400 saal say gumhrahi per thay aur haaq un per abhi abhi afshaan hua hai . bas wohi theek hain . baqi saab ghlat aur jahil hain . ilmi baat ko punjabi juggat k tarkay say paish kia jata hai to sab chaskay letay hain bas...
wasay bhi jis ka hero gamdi ho us ka to Allah he hafiz hai.
sharam karo tum bahi Deen islam ko porn saa match kar rahai hoo demag kharab hai kiya
tumhar pura thread parah hai ok

firaqwariyat saa niklo aur koi messal nahi milti tu yeah ulti messal na duo samjhay
aur sukar hai tum na
engineer M. Ali Ka hafiz ALLAH KO banya
aur tumhara hafiz firaqwariyat hain kiya
yeah shaitan hain

AUR ENGINEER M. ALI na kabi nahi kaha kay
1400 saal sa musalman gumhrah hain

koi aik video hai app ka pass aise jis mai kaha ho kay musalman 1400 saal sa gumhrah hain ?

bahi tuhomat lagana bi gunaha hai









 

Green Inside

Senator (1k+ posts)
sharam karo tum bahi Deen islam ko porn saa match kar rahai hoo demag kharab hai kiya
tumhar pura thread parah hai ok

firaqwariyat saa niklo aur koi messal nahi milti tu yeah ulti messal na duo samjhay
aur sukar hai tum na
engineer M. Ali Ka hafiz ALLAH KO banya
aur tumhara hafiz firaqwariyat hain kiya
yeah shaitan hain


AUR ENGINEER M. ALI na kabi nahi kaha kay
1400 saal sa musalman gumhrah hain

koi aik video hai app ka pass aise jis mai kaha ho kay musalman 1400 saal sa gumhrah hain ?

bahi tuhomat lagana bi gunaha hai
bahi kyun batoon ko twist kar rehay ho , main nay religion ko porn sy kab malayia ? main nay to example di hai. k ya kehna k jis ke meri hai dekhay jis ke merzi hai na dekhay ya ghlaat hai.
bahi wo 1400 saal k ulma ko ghlat ketha hai to us ka to matlab yahi hua . 1400 saal sy sab ghlat thay aur engineer saab ko abhi abhi haar cheez samajh aie hai .
 

midwayus

MPA (400+ posts)
bahi kyun batoon ko twist kar rehay ho , main nay religion ko porn sy kab malayia ? main nay to example di hai. k ya kehna k jis ke meri hai dekhay jis ke merzi hai na dekhay ya ghlaat hai.
bahi wo 1400 saal k ulma ko ghlat ketha hai to us ka to matlab yahi hua . 1400 saal sy sab ghlat thay aur engineer saab ko abhi abhi haar cheez samajh aie hai .


LOL bas yeah messal ap ka leya hain

dar gai ka mai twist kar raha hoon

aur porn movie pakistan tu kiya duniya ka kess bi country ka national TV allowed nahi chaha wo kafir ka hi kun nah hoo

app kay pass koi proof hain ha ka kis country porn movie allow hai national tv par




engineer ali bi sirf Quran aur hadees sa par kar bata raha han

koi apni kahaniya nahi baana ka suna raha

agar ghor say uss ka clip deko aur saamjo

us nah 1400 saaal phela leki gai hadees aur books sa hi par rah hai imam bukari etc

woh tu in molvi or baba hoon ko BAH negab kar raha hia


jo molvi bol ta quran direct na parho
 

khurram_id

MPA (400+ posts)
bahi kabi Quran khuda saa parhnaya aur samjh na ki koshi ki ha

koi zarrori nahi mera bahi Quran mai khud aya hai

Hum na Quran ko tumhar liya Asaan bana diya tu is parho

urdu translation mai Quran available hain

Molvion nay tu kahanaiya banai hee Vee han

masla hamra saat yeah ka Quran partha nahi seda molvi ka pass chala Jah tay hain aur woh jo kaha ta us ko man lai tay hain Koshis bi nahi karta jo us na kaha us ko verify karna ki
Pehli bat samaj lay ky Quran ka sirf trajuma Parna or bat hy, Yaha tu Mushkil ye hy ky log sirf tarjuma parh kr Fatway b dena shuru kar detay hy. Jab ky kisi b maslay ka hal nikalnay ky liye us maslay ky mutaliq jitni ayat hy, Ahadith hy or Sahaba karam nay us per kis trah amal kia sub ka pata huna zarori hy.
20, 20 sal lagao apnay profession may qualifide hunay kay liye or Deen ky mamlay may sirf Tarjuma parh ky Fatway dena shuru.
Or kuch ni bhai sirf Deen ko halka samja huwa hy.
 

khurram_id

MPA (400+ posts)
Boht Shukria Bhai, Bat asan kar di ap nay.
Dr. Israr sahab isi bat par tawaju dila rahay hy ky khud namaz parhanay walay bano. Khud Janaza parhanay walay bano, Yani Amal karnay walay bano Amal krna sekho. Wo ye ni keh rahay kay Amal krnay kay tareeqay khud sy banana shuru kar du.

Jub ky yaha mushkil ye hy ky log tarjuma daikh kr Amal krnay ky tareqay khud he banana shuru hu gaye hy.
 

khurram_id

MPA (400+ posts)
tum jeso ke pas jub daleel or jwab ni hota tu aglay ki qabliyat or taleem pe baat krna shuru kr dete ho...
Bohat Achay janab.
Yani Jis maslay kay baray may discussion hu ri hu us field kay Ilm ky baghair he faislay shuru kar diye jaye. Yani Ilm koi daleel nahi?
Jis field ka masla hu ga is field ky qualified admi sy he faisla kraya jaye ga.
Kya bemar ka Ilaj Engineer sy krwaya jaye ga.
Ap shaid jantay hu gy ky Medicene distribution compinies ky Salaes walay hutay hy ky ju Doctors ko batatay hy ky un ki medicine kon kon si bimari may use huti hay.
Kya ap apnay patient ko medicine sales person ky pas ly kar jaye gay ?
Kabhi nahi ly kar jaye gay kyo ky wo Ilaj karnay kay lie qualifide nahi.
Us ka Ilm boht mehdod hy.
Isi tarah Sirf tarjuma daikh kar Fatway dena b medicine sales person he ki tarh hy un ko ap Deen kay doctor par kaisay tarjeeh day saktay hy.
 

khurram_id

MPA (400+ posts)
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Nahi to kya banday ko ulta aasman se latak na pardta hai? Why do you people think you need a doctorate to understand religion? Quran it self says it was reveled in clear and pure Arabic.

This is the whole beauty of our deen, there is no need for a clergy, the Mullah profession does not exist in Islam.
Janab ulta lataknay ki zarorat nahi bat sirf itni hy ky jis tarah 4 paisay kamanay kay liye hum sub achi say achi university may admission kay liye ultay lataktay hy ta kay hamari education Achay teachers say hu ta kay hamaray ilm par ksi ko aitraz na hu.
Ap he batao kya Harvard University sy parha huwa behter hy ya Al Khair University sy?
Yaha par shaid ap Harvard University ki Khobiya ginwatay huway halqan hu jaye ky waha ka qualifide tu aisa huta hy waisa huta hy.
Tu meray bhai kya agar koi banda Harvard may parhai jani wali Books parh ly or wu b Tarjumay kay sath tu kiya ap us ko b qualifide mano gay?
Jaha tak Quran ki Asani ki bat hy tu us kay sikhanay kay liye b Allah nay apnay payaray Nabi (PBUH) ko bheja ta kay us ki tashreeh karay or us tashreeh ka nam Hadith hy.
MERAY BHAI DEEN, DUNYA AKHRAT KA MAMLA HY IS KO ITNA HALKA NA SAMJO.
 

khurram_id

MPA (400+ posts)
Tell me what kind of PhD you need to understand this clear simple verse:

(Qur'an 1:5) إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وَإِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِينُ
It is You we worship and You we ask for help.
ہم تیری ہی عبادت کرتے ہیں اور تجھ ہی سے مدد مانگتے ہیں

If we do not read the translation of Qur'an directly then even with following very clear verse (Qur'an 1:5) some of us will seek help (مشکل کشائی) from Ghus e Azam or Hazrat Ali (RA) instead of directly asking for help from Allah.
Janab ye kisi PHD Molvi nay tajuma or tafseer kar kay he hamay samjai hy.
PHD parnay kay liye nahi, Tarjuma karnay or us ki tafseer kay liye hy.


Regarding translation no one is saying that reading translation is prohibited.
Prohibited is, passing judgements on the basis of just reading the translation.
Read translation to understand not for making rules out of it.
In any field anyone can read the books related to that field but to make rules out of that book you have to be qualified.
 

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