Army is Openly Opposing Accountability

[xecutioner]

True. Does that mean that we should give them a license to free loading everything in the county ? Do you think army is using this argument of Syria to blackmail the nation ?

Army atm is the only institution who has the capacity and capability to turn the tables. While in an ideal situation no to license but hold on you are living in a country where govt bureaucrats dont listen to PM khan. If executive takes a decision your judiciary on purpose blocks the way for executive.
So under these circumstances yes army can be gives a temporary license to kill on sight.

 

[xecutioner]

All the monsters which we fought were initially created by them.

I kind of agree to this argument but better not to end up like Qaddafi.

 

[Siberite]

All the monsters which we fought were initially created by them.

Where do you think we should draw a line between the country's security and ever rising incidents of army officer's corruption ? Have you heard about the Military accountant General term ?

 

[arifkarim]

Yeah, army is bad, army is evil.... What are you going to do about it ?

Run away to London for medicine

 

[Siberite]

Army atm is the only institution who has the capacity and capability to turn the tables. While in an ideal situation no to license but hold on you are living in a country where govt bureaucrats dont listen to PM khan. If executive takes a decision your judiciary on purpose blocks the way for executive.
So under these circumstances yes army can be gives a temporary license to kill on sight.

Not kill on sight license I am talking about. Loot at sight is the right term. Do you agree that we should close our eyes when the army officials are involved and place the facts under the carpet only because we have a security issue and we are depend on army to protect us ?

 

[arifkarim]

What Business army has of changing any civilian elected CM of a province ? Is the CM of Sindh is all kosher ? And if he is not, which I think you will agree, does that mean that in future army has a right to change that as well ? If army can change rulers, micromanage the government, then why doesn't it take part in general election ? I will vote Musharraf 100 times... Do you remember the statement of Chauhdry Pervaiz Ellahi ?

Standing in elections require competition. Army doesn't want any competition

 

[arifkarim]

Where do you think we should draw a line between the country's security and ever rising incidents of army officer's corruption ? Have you heard about the Military accountant General term ?

Army generals are also accountable. Check what happened in recent ring road scandal. Govt sent two ex captains involved home.

 

[Siberite]

Standing in elections require competition. Army doesn't want any competition

Are you sober now from morning's fluid ?

 

[arifkarim]

Are you sober now from morning's fluid ?

Have you bought medicine for your Mian Mafroor?

 

[xecutioner]

Not kill on sight license I am talking about. Loot at sight is the right term. Do you agree that we should close our eyes when the army officials are involved and place the facts under the carpet only because we have a security issue and we are depend on army to protect us ?

No they have internal mechanism and khan should speak to army chief about it.
I think Lohar high court CJ has given a verdict recently if an army officer is involved in civilian project then he should be tried under civilian law and I support the idea.

But again why bring army as an institution into this discussion? why put Bajwas picture on the thread.

 

[Young_Blood]

Allah ka shukar hai k ab logo ke aqalo per parey taalay open honay lagey hein. janab pakistan ka sattya naas karne wala sirf aur sirf aik idara hai, iss ke misaal, haathi k daanto wali hai,, khane k aur dikhane k aur, iss idare ne pakistan ko aaj iss haal per pohanchaya hai, yehi idara hai jo sab ke files b banata hai aur yehi idara hai phir unhein wo files dikhaa ker blackmail ker k apne mufaad k liay kaam kerwata hai, yehi idara general elections ko b hijack karta hai, aap ne hamesha yehi suna hai media per bhaithey anchors se sahafio se k hakoomat isse de gai, iss party ko itni seats de gai,, iss insan ko PM banaya gaya, ya banaya jaey ga, yehi idara NRO karta hai, yehi delas karta hai, yehi Settlement karta hai, yehi Dheel deta hai, yehi mulk se faraar kerwata hai, yehi panama scanadle aane k baad sirf 2 months mein 40 saal poorana record le aata hai, aur aaj b yehi idara shahbaz sharif ko bahir bhejna chah raha hai, yehi idara MQM ko raato raat MQM Pakistan bnaa deta hai.. mein ne aaj se 20 din pehle apne comments mein kaha tha k Jahangir Khan tareen ko b Imran khan k samne issi idare ne khara keeya hai,, bhaio ab b apni aankho per pari siyaa pattiya utaar do, aqalo per lagey taaley khol do,, aur dekho socho samjho aur jano k pakistan ka asal dushman kon hai, jo ham pakistanio ko aur pakistan ko khush haal honey nahi deta,

 

[Siberite]

No they have internal mechanism and khan should speak to army chief about it.
I think Lohar high court CJ has given a verdict recently if an army officer is involved in civilian project then he should be tried under civilian law and I support the idea.

So lets agree on one thing at least that we shouldn't be bringing the misery of Iraq and Syria when we are talking about the real corruption in army ranks ... you also agree that army should not have a free of all for protecting us and nation shouldn't be Gumby in their hands. ...

 

[Onlypakistan]

Open volume 10 of Panama Case

AAP KA MATLAB PAKISTAN K NAMWAR SHAREEF BI BENIQAB HO JAEN , NO ..AESA NAI HO SAKTA

 

[Siberite]

Have you bought medicine for your Mian Mafroor?

Mian Mafroor ? . It sounds like "Mian Hazoor" when it come from you. 1839 ?

 

[Young_Blood]

Do not get pulled in by 5th generation warfare. Pakistan's army is a disciplined institution and does not support corruption. A large part of the judiciary is however corrupt for sure.

Gen Asif Ghafoor who was previous DGISPR of Gen Bajwa said:

Bhai kon c 5th generation war? sab topi darama hai, bus aaj ke duniya mein aur aaj se 5 saal pehle ke duniya mein kaafi faraq aa gaya hai, pehle her aik aam insan ko logo k kartooto ka pata nahi chalta tha, idaare kya game khailte hein kuj pata nahi chalta tha, aaj social media ka dor hai, jaha her aik choti c choti khabar seconds mein logo tak pohanch jati hai, maana k her khabar sachi nahi hoti, but her khabar jhooti b nahi hoti,, bus issi ka khouf hai k idare expose ho rahe hein, hathi k daant jis se wo khata hai wo dikhai dene lagey hein, wahi dur hai jis ke waja se hamein 5th generation ka lolly pop dia gaya hai..

 

[arifkarim]

Mian Mafroor ? . It sounds like "Mian Hazoor" when it come from you. 1839 ?

Mian Mafroor = Nawaz Sharif

 

[xecutioner]

Wesy I am curious what is in Volume 10?

So lets agree on one thing at least that we shouldn't be bringing the misery of Iraq and Syria when we are talking about the real corruption in army ranks ... you also agree that army should not have a free of all for protecting us and nation shouldn't be Gumby in their hands. ...

I can agree if someone can guarantee me the end result will not be making them punjab police? Also how can I judge govt. competency in doing so when they clearly failed bringing any reform in punjab police?
Or like perve ilahi and musharraf give us an example institution (1122 or motorway police) which was built during federal govt 2.5 years rule. Just curious.

 

[Siberite]

Army generals are also accountable. Check what happened in recent ring road scandal. Govt sent two ex captains involved home.

پتلی کمر میں جور بڑا ہے ۔ جواب نہیں ، دو کپتانوں کو گھر بھیج کر کہاں کہ میاں محنت ، سہنت کی کیا ضرورت ہے ، گھر بیٹھ کہ بغیر محنت پنش کی کھاؤ ، ان کا مقام گھر نہیں جیل ہے ۔​

 

[Siberite]

Wesy I am curious what is in Volume 10?

I can agree if someone can guarantee me the end result will not be making them punjab police? Also how can I judge govt. competency in doing so when they clearly failed bringing any reform in punjab police?
Or like perve ilahi and musharraf give us an example institution (1122 or motorway police) which was built during federal govt 2.5 years rule. Just curious.

Look my friend, No one can guarantee you anything in life. Cleansing he army from corrupt elements will make them even more stronger. It will help country gets some confident that the civilian can't run away from Pakistan to foreign countries with their corrupt wealth.

 

[Islamabadiya]

Where do you think we should draw a line between the country's security and ever rising incidents of army officer's corruption ? Have you heard about the Military accountant General term ?

for them there is no line, whoever will try to draw a line will be a declared a traitor.