RajaRawal111
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
ٹھیک اے یار سلیمے - اگوں توں انج ہی کرنے آں
A great Video about our Great Hero - General Hameed Gul & Zalim History
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RajaRawal111
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Aaaa -- I wanted to know what he did for Afghan war ? .
Citizen X
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Hameed Gul was an idiot and terrorist sympathizer who liked to run his mouth off all the time.
After Taliban's spectacular gift to India on their 75th. Independent day the 15th August, Indian media still in mourning after 5 days of fall of Kabul...
The Print:Did India rely too much on US? Taliban siege of Kabul is affecting our regional power status. Americans betrayed Afghanistan. And Afghans betrayed themselves. This round in the Great Game went to Pakistan as India watched.
JYOTI MALHOTRA 19 August, 2021
Soon after former Afghan president Ashraf Ghani fled Kabul Sunday evening, even as the Taliban walked into the city — he has since reached Oman, via Uzbekistan, after his escape plane was refused landing rights in Tajikistan — Russian embassy spokesperson Nikita Ishenko in Kabul described the scene thus to Russian news agency Sputnik:
“As for the collapse of the regime, it is most eloquently characterized by the way Ghani fled from Afghanistan: four cars were full of money, they tried to put part of the money into a helicopter, but everything did not fit. And some of the money was left on the runway.”
It may be that the Russians had something to do with the Tajik refusal to let Ghani’s plane land in Dushanbe, considering the influence they wield on that Central Asian nation’s security (the Russians help guard the Afghan-Tajik border with their troops); besides, of course, their keenness to ingratiate themselves with the new power in Kabul. It is expected that Ghani will soon wend his way to the US – he is rumoured to have a Green Card.
Travelling with Ghani was the powerful Fazel Fazly, the director of his office and his National Security Advisor Hamdullah Mohib, who recently accused the Pakistan military establishment of being the equivalent of “Heera Mandi,” a red-light area in Lahore, insinuating that the Pakistanis will sell themselves to the highest bidder, in this case, the Taliban. Mohib has a British passport.
But what is equally interesting is the special flight Monday evening carrying several Afghan leaders to Rawalpindi – men like former Speaker Younis Qanooni, brother of the legendary commander Ahmad Shah Massoud, Ahmad Zia Massoud, Hazara leaders like Ustad Mohaqiq and Karim Khalili, former foreign minister Salahuddin Rabbani and current Speaker Rahman Rahmani — even as the Taliban walked into the presidential palace in Kabul and took pictures of themselves sitting on Ghani’s chair.
Several of these men, like Qanooni and Massoud, had once been vocal about Pakistan’s role in arming and instigating the Taliban insurgency; they now seemed to be handing themselves over to their former enemy for protection.
And so on 15 August, as India celebrated the 75th anniversary of its Independence, a friend, ally and South Asian nation fell to the hands of the Taliban. The event sent shock waves through the region. India was supposed to be the big power in the subcontinent, but it had lost this round to a militia that has been armed, weaponised and supported by Pakistan next door.
Now, Ashraf Ghani has released his first video on Facebook since landing in UAE, saying he did not take cash and was forced to leave to prevent bloodshed. Ghani also said he was “in talks” to return to Afghanistan.
As Indian diplomats evacuate out of Kabul, shutting down the embassy as they did in 1996 when the Taliban first took Afghanistan, another chapter in the Great Game in inner Asia has come to an end.
Three roads to disaster
So what went wrong? How did this come to pass? What does this event do to India’s image as a regional power? And how does it change global politics?First, the Americans betrayed Afghanistan. Much has been written about US President Joe Biden’s determination to go ahead and exit from the “forever war,” but as US South Asia expert Christine Fair writes, Biden benefited from a “raft of experts” when he served on the Obama administration as to how “Pakistan, which benefitted handsomely from U.S. emoluments, aided and abetted the Taliban and undermined U.S. efforts.”
Not only did Biden ignore the advice, he kept Zalmay Khalilzad on as special envoy and underwrote the pact that Khalilzad had signed with the Taliban. The Taliban never kept their side of the bargain to end the violence; Khalilzad never called their bluff, but repeatedly agreed to their enhanced demands.
Second, the Afghans betrayed themselves. Several Afghan leaders in Kabul, who spoke to me on the condition of anonymity, said that even as the Taliban waited at the gates of Kabul Sunday evening, their leaders in Doha could still have been persuaded to form an interim government – with former interior minister Ali Ahmad Jalali as a compromise presidential candidate – but Ashraf Ghani knocked the bottom out of the plan by quitting and escaping with his two key aides.
As Kabul fell to the Taliban, panic set in. Ghani’s key aides knew they were marked and would be lynched by the Taliban if they had decided to stay. Even as I write this, many are trying to make their way to Istanbul or Tashkent. The media is being especially targeted, being told to fall in line, or else. Journalists are destroying papers, and stories, just in case incriminating notes fall into the hands of the Taliban. Fear rules the city.
Third, did India begin to lean too much in favor of the US and thereby its view on Afghanistan? Some analysts have quaintly described this point of view as “India putting most of her eggs in the US basket,” but since foreign policy is not a chicken coop or an aviary, it’s worthwhile to look at what India’s options could have been.
What could India do?
With the Russians and the Chinese becoming much closer to Pakistan, in order to gain leverage over the Taliban, it has been difficult over the years for India to play a greater role beyond the developmental one. Remember, too, that the Russians have never totally forgiven the US for helping break up the Soviet Union – the bloody nose they received at the hands of the Afghans, courtesy Pakistan and the US, went a long way in destroying the USSR.And so as the US began to get more and more bogged down in Afghanistan, and Russia, China and Pakistan simply waited.
The US sought to compensate for its travails by allowing the Pakistanis to play a greater role in Afghanistan’s future. It believed that would assuage Rawalpindi. In any case, the US knew they wouldn’t be able to get out of Afghanistan if the Pakistanis didn’t give it safe passage. The Americans may have gnashed their teeth at Pakistani duplicity, but they also knew they had little option.
Meanwhile, India’s options began to narrow as well. With the Chinese in Ladakh and a sluggish economy still emerging from Covid, New Delhi, perhaps, began to believe in the need for a greater partnership with the US. At the 28 July joint press conference with Blinken, external affairs minister S. Jaishankar said: “I would say rather than look at what is the convergence and what is the divergence, if the Secretary doesn’t contradict me, I would say there was much more convergence… as an immediate neighbor with a historical connection, we do feel that the way we are looking at it, the way we see the challenges ahead, what needs to be done, I would say our views were quite similar. I think that would be a fair description.”
Blinken replied: “I think we largely see Afghanistan in the same light.”
Some of this close attention has since paid off. The evacuation of Indian diplomats and other nationals from Kabul on Tuesday morning could only have been done with the US on board – the Americans control the airport for the time being.
So what happens now? Fact is, too much has happened these last few days and so quickly that it will take some time for Indian officials to catch their breath. To be able to fight another day, they will need time to hunker down and analyze what exactly happened. For the moment at least, the future must wait.
Shan ALi AK 27
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
اصل میں جب بندا پروپگنڈا کرتا ہے تو لوگ
اپنا وقت زیا کرنا چھوڑ دیتے ہیں اپ نے اپنا اعتبار گنوا دیا ہے
Dr Adam
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Okara
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
What do u want him to do for Afghan war?
RajaRawal111
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
سر میرا مطلب اے - اصلی سپاہی جنرل اختر عبدلرحمان اتنا گم نام اے جے مین پتا نہیں او زندہ وی اے یا نہیں
RajaRawal111
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
What do you know --- what he did ?
That I want to know. ?
RajaRawal111
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
اوے چولا - لیٹاں کڈنے آلی خالہ نی جف کیوں نہیں لگائی توں
Dr Adam
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
راجہ جی! پاکستانی مسلح افواج کا ہر افسر اور سپاھی اپنا اپنا رول ادا کر کے اس جہان فانی سے الوداع ہوا، الله ان سب کو غریق رحمت کرے، آمین . باقی، جنرل اختر عبد الرحمٰن کی ملک کے لیے بے انتہا خدمات کی بات پر میں آپ سے سو فیصد متفق ہوں . مرحوم جنرل صاحب بہت اعلیٰ پائے کے ملٹری اور وار اسٹریٹیجسٹ تھے اور افغانستان میں افغان مجاہدین کی گوریلا وار گروپ کے چیف آرکیٹیکٹ اور پاکستان کی جانب سے فوکل پرسن تھے . آپ کے لیے یہ بات حیران کن نہ ہو گی کہ جنرل اختر عبد الرحمٰن کی "افغان گوریلا وار ڈاکٹرائن" دنیا کی ہر ملٹری اکیڈمی میں اب ایک فل سبجیکٹ کے طور پر پڑھائی جاتی ہے . پاکستان کی مسلح افواج کے اسی طرح کے ہزاروں گمنام ہیروز کی وجہ سے یہ ملک اب تک قائم و دائم ہے جن پر آپ تمام پٹواری اور مجاور حضرات اپنا مذہبی فریضہ سمجھ کر دن رات لغویات اور مغلظات بکتے ہیں اور انہیں ہر طرح کے تضحیک آمیز القابات سے نوازنے کا بیڑا اٹھائے ہوے ہیں
راجے! باقی کھوتا خور پٹواری تو الله کے حکم سے خیر ہیں ہی ان پڑھ اور پیدائشی جاہل، لیکن مجھے دلی افسوس تجھ جیسے پڑھے لکھے اور محب وطن پاکستانی پر ہوتا ہے جو ایک سزا یافتہ مفرور کے عشق میں یہ جانتے ہوے بھی کہ وہ اور اسکی لڑکی چور ہیں اس حد تک اندھا ہو چکا ہے کہ اسے اچھے برے کی تمیز نہیں رہی . الله تجھے ہدایت دے . آمین
Sohail Shuja
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Actually, he was DG ISI when Zia's plane crashed. I think this was one of the greatest achievements of his tenure. Not only Zia, but two of US high ranking officials also died in that crash.
Any other credentials you need?
But, in fact, Hameed Gul had great role to play in messing the Afghan Policy too.
When Pakistan was defeating USSR, it was the time when ISI was supporting Ahmed Shah Masoud. Then, suddenly, when Zia died and Benazir took over, she turned the whole game 180* the other side.
We started to back up Hekmatyar against Masoud. Hekmatyar never settled for the Peshawar Accord. Then there was a time when Hekmatyar went weak and then we started supporting Taliban, to get rid of both, Masoud and Hekmatyar. That was the time of Ganja Sharif in Pakistan.
Hameed Gul was involved in all this, that is why he always enjoyed deep respect from Taliban, as he was their founding father back in the days, when he was stripped from the post of DG ISI. After his removal from the office, he kept the link alive and started providing them logistics and manpower from Punjab.
NOW THIS IS ALL WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR..... yet it is nothing but a white lie....
akinternational
Minister (2k+ posts)
Allah jannat men jaga de... khabees munafiq Musharraf ko jahannam mile, jiska Bush ke ek fon per peshab khata ho gaya tha, 600+ begunahon ko us ko becha, iss men banazir, zardari aur nawaz bhi shamil....
Sohail Shuja
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
جذباتی نہ ہوں، اس راجے سے قسم لے کر پوچھیں پچھلی دونوں باری کس کو ووٹ ڈالا تھا اس نے؟
باقی اس کا مسئلہ ہاضمے کا ہے، جب تک گالیوں کی پھکی نہیں کھاتا، گیس دماغ پر چڑھی رہتی ہے۔
باقی اس کا مسئلہ ہاضمے کا ہے، جب تک گالیوں کی پھکی نہیں کھاتا، گیس دماغ پر چڑھی رہتی ہے۔
Okara
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Sir he became ISI chief in 1987 so was their any involvement of Pakistan in Afghan war during that time?
Dr Adam
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
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راجے کا کام ہے روز الٹی سیدھی چول کے موتی پرو کر فورم کے دوستوں کی توجہ اپنی طرف مبذول کرانے کی کوشش کرنا . جبکہ خادم کا کام ہے کہ راجے کا زہر نکال کر اس کے مدعے کی بجائے ٹریفک ڈیفلیفکٹ کر کے توجہ دوسری طرف پھیر دینا
چھومنتر
Minister (2k+ posts)
چل شکر ہے تیری کھوتیاں تیری طرح جاہل نہیں
کاش تو اپنی کھوتیوں سے ہی کچھ سیکھ لے
Sohail Shuja
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
ما اخے تساں وی آ کے راجے نے ٹِڈھ تے چپیڑ رکھی سٹنے او، تے راجے نی ہوا یکدم ڈکار بن کے نکلی وینی اے تے زہر مُکی وینا اے۔ ایویں تے اے راجے نی اپنی صحت واسطے وی بہتر ای اے۔ ویل ڈن ڈاکٹر صاحب، علاج جاری رکھو جناب
RajaRawal111
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
چلو ٹھیک ہے - ہم دونوں ہی کھوتیوں سے ٹویشن پڑھ لیتے ہیں - ? کیا خیال ہے
جناب سے نوک جھونک اچھی رہتی ہے - اگر تلخی محسوس ہوئی ہو تو معزرت
RajaRawal111
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
ڈاکٹر صاحب میرے افغان جنگ کے بارے میں عمومی خیالات اپنی جگہ - جن کے مطابق میں اس کو حرام جہاد اور افغانوں کے بے مقصد نسل کشی کہتا ہوں - مجھے یہ پتا ہے کہ سپاہی کو جب حکم مل جاۓ تو اس پر احسن طریقے سے عمل اس کا فرض منصبی ہوتا ہے - یہی کچھ میں جنرل اختر کے لئے سوچتا ہوں - الله ان کو اجر دے - میں یہ بھی مانتا ہوں کہ ہمارا ایٹمی پروگرام جو الله کے رضا کے ساتھ اب ہماری بقاح کی ضمانت صرف اور صرف جنرل ضیا کے محنت اور شعور ہے - میرے منہ سے آپ سواے مشرف کے کسی کے لئے کچھ نہیں سنیں گے - وہ بھی اس لئے کہ اس کے ١٨٠ ڈگری ٹرن نے جو ہماری فوج اور خصوصا کشمیر کو نقصان پہنچایا ہے اس کا کوئی ازالہ نہیں --- اور اپ جیسا دانا انسان اس کو سمجھتا ہے
جہاں تک سزا یافتہ چور کا معاملہ ہے اس کو جس طرح سے چور سزا دی گی ہے - اس پر میں کیفیت پٹوریہ میں آپ سے لمبی بحث کر سکتا ہوں
اس کی لڑکی سے الله اس قوم کو بچاۓ - سہیل پاجی گواہ ہیں میں نے بیشتر مرتبہ کہا ہے کہ وہ عمران خان سے چار گنا زیادہ احمق اور کینہ پرور ہے - جس اخلاقی تنزلی پر عمران خان اس قوم کو لے کر آیا ہے - یہ زنانی اس سے چار گنا تیزی سے اس قوم کو تباہ کرنے کے صلاحیت رکھتی ہے
میرے اندر سے اگر پٹواری کا قتل کرنا ہے آپ نے تو اس کو نون لیگ کی قیادت دے دیں
Suhail Paa ji you are histrically wrong here. Pakistan or ISI never supported Ahmed Shah Masood. We never had any animosity with him but Northern Alliance used to hate us most. Instead, our Army always supported Hikmatyar and the Pashtoon factor was the main reason for this. We had our own Pashtoon areas interests to safeguard. So Hikmatyar was and always remained our guy.
And the orignal Talibaan was hikmatyar's redundant Army, when he left and settled in Iran after getting fed up with Idiot Burhan Udden Rabbani.
And for forming Taliban, yes it was the ISI but Hameed Gul had nothing to do with. You are fed with this halwa that Hameed Gul was the focal point.
باقی کی ساری حاضر سروس آئ ا یس آئ مر گی تھی جو اس ریٹارڈ باجے کو یہ سب کرنا پڑا ؟؟؟ عقل آلی گل کریا کرو پا جی
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