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Wake up Pak

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What does Salat mean here:

[29:45] You shall recite what is revealed to you of the scripture, and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), for the Contact Prayers prohibit evil and vice.
Salat certainly does not mean ritual Namaz. Since you follow the ahadith, can you give the exact method of Namaz from your Ahadith?
 

Rambler

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
No, it's your turn to explain the Namaz from ahadith. I doubt you can.

Man what is wrong with you. I have accepted your claim that we should just follow The Quran and do not need anything. So if I am being asked by Allah to observe salat since it saves from evil and vice, I must know what is that thing which saves us from evil and vice. So how do you do salat ?

Citizen X please you shed some light on this matter as well.
 
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Wake up Pak

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Man what is wrong with you. I have accepted your claim that we should just follow The Quran and do not need anything. So if I am being asked by Allah to observe salat since it saves from evil and vice, I must know what is that thing which saves us from evil and vice. So how do you do salat ?
How do you perform Namaz from ahadith? End of conversation or reply.
 

Rambler

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
How do you perform Namaz from ahadith? End of conversation or reply.

Yes I pray the traditional way which is 'obviously' not in the Quran and almost every Muslim knows. Since you are claiming that we should not follow hadith and sunnah, I am asking you HOW DO YOU PRAY SALAT which Quran puts so much stress on ?
 

Wake up Pak

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Yes I pray the traditional way which is 'obviously' not in the Quran and almost every Muslim knows. Since you are claiming that we should not follow hadith and sunnah, I am asking you HOW DO YOU PRAY SALAT which Quran puts so much stress on ?
If it is not in the Quran, then who fabricated Namaz?
 

Rambler

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
If it is not in the Quran, then who fabricated Namaz?

I don't know man - I have already been convinced by you so why are you trying to debate. Just tell me how do you pray Salat ? It is not a trick question. I really want to know 'HOW TO PRAY SALAT?'
 

Wake up Pak

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I don't know man - I have already been convinced by you so why are you trying to debate. Just tell me how do you pray Salat ? It is not a trick question. I really want to know 'HOW TO PRAY SALAT?'
Why are you blindly performing a ritual if you don't even know its purpose?
 

Wake up Pak

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I don't know man - I have already been convinced by you so why are you trying to debate. Just tell me how do you pray Salat ? It is not a trick question. I really want to know 'HOW TO PRAY SALAT?'
Salat means to follow to communicate to connect. Now you can tell me how you perform salat from Ahadith.
 

Wake up Pak

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I don't know man - I have already been convinced by you so why are you trying to debate. Just tell me how do you pray Salat ? It is not a trick question. I really want to know 'HOW TO PRAY SALAT?'
If Allah wanted us to perform Salat, why wouldn't He give us the complete method in the Quran?
 

Rambler

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
If Allah wanted us to perform Salat, why wouldn't He give us the complete method in the Quran?

But HE does ask us to "observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), for the Contact Prayers prohibit evil and vice"
and in many places:
"Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer"
"And establish prayer"
"and establish prayer"
"Maintain with care the prayers and the middle prayer and stand before Allah, devoutly obedient"
" do not approach prayer while you are intoxicated"
"And when you travel throughout the land, there is no blame upon you for shortening the prayer, if you fear that those who disbelieve may disrupt you"

"And when you are among them and lead them in prayer, let a group of them stand [in prayer] with you and let them carry their arms. And when they have prostrated, let them be behind you and have the other group come forward which has not prayed and let them pray with you, taking precaution and carrying their arms"

"And when you have completed the prayer, remember Allah standing, sitting, or [lying] on your sides. But when you become secure, re-establish [regular] prayer. Indeed, prayer has been decreed upon the believers a decree of specified times"

" Indeed, the hypocrites [think to] deceive Allah, but He is deceiving them. And when they stand for prayer, they stand lazily, showing [themselves to] the people and not remembering Allah except a little"

"And the establishers of prayer and the givers of zakah and the believers in Allah and the Last Day – those We will give a great reward"

"O you who have believed, when you rise to [perform] prayer, wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and wash your feet to the ankle".



So Allah is putting so much stress on Salat but not telling us how to perform it - That does not seem fair? Does it ?
 
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Wake up Pak

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But HE does ask us to "observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), for the Contact Prayers prohibit evil and vice"
Okay, I have been asking you to give me the details of contact prayers from the Quran or your fabricated ahadith, but so far, you have failed to provide any rational reply.
 

Wake up Pak

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I was thinking about something interesting. If Sujud is an act of worship meant only for Allah, then why did the Angels make Sujud for Adam? Similarly, why did the parents and brothers of Yusuf make Sujud for him? Were they worshiping Adam and Yusuf? It's just a question that came to mind, and I'm curious to know the answer.
 

Rambler

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Okay, I have been asking you to give me the details of contact prayers from the Quran or your fabricated ahadith, but so far, you have failed to provide any rational reply.

Dear brother - Either you don't understand what I am asking or you are intentionally ignoring it. I HAVE ACCEPTED YOUR PREMISE. I AM ASKING YOU -HOW DO YOU PRAY SALAT ?

I am begging you - Please tell me how do you fulfil this command of Allah which he puts so much stress on and repeats it numerous times in the Quran?
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Dear brother - Either you don't understand what I am asking or you are intentionally ignoring it. I HAVE ACCEPTED YOUR PREMISE. I AM ASKING YOU -HOW DO YOU PRAY SALAT ?

I am begging you - Please tell me how do you fulfil this command of Allah which he puts so much stress on and repeats it numerous times in the Quran?
Oh dear, how many times do I have to ask you to explain how to perform Namaz since you have accepted that you do perform ritual Namaz?
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
But HE does ask us to "observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), for the Contact Prayers prohibit evil and vice"
and in many places:
"Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer"
"And establish prayer"
"and establish prayer"
"Maintain with care the prayers and the middle prayer and stand before Allah, devoutly obedient"
" do not approach prayer while you are intoxicated"
"And when you travel throughout the land, there is no blame upon you for shortening the prayer, if you fear that those who disbelieve may disrupt you"

"And when you are among them and lead them in prayer, let a group of them stand [in prayer] with you and let them carry their arms. And when they have prostrated, let them be behind you and have the other group come forward which has not prayed and let them pray with you, taking precaution and carrying their arms"

"And when you have completed the prayer, remember Allah standing, sitting, or [lying] on your sides. But when you become secure, re-establish [regular] prayer. Indeed, prayer has been decreed upon the believers a decree of specified times"

" Indeed, the hypocrites [think to] deceive Allah, but He is deceiving them. And when they stand for prayer, they stand lazily, showing [themselves to] the people and not remembering Allah except a little"

"And the establishers of prayer and the givers of zakah and the believers in Allah and the Last Day – those We will give a great reward"

"O you who have believed, when you rise to [perform] prayer, wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and wash your feet to the ankle".



So Allah is putting so much stress on Salat but not telling us how to perform it - That does not seem fair? Does it ?
Do these verses confirm the ritual Namaz?
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
If you're unaware of the true meaning of a root word, you may interpret its derivatives incorrectly. This is what occurred during the early Islamic conspiracy when Arab pagans and Zoroastrian Persians gained power and altered the interpretation of the Quran.
 

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