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[Mughal1]

Messenger SAW showed how Islam is best implemented with Quran and Sunnah and his companions followed on from their greatest teacher using the same example. Later generations followed their predecessors the same way. That is how Islam reached from one corner of the earth to another.

Now 1500 years later laymen in Islam are giving their subjective understanding of why only Quran is necessary ignoring the practical application of Islam which is Sunnah.

Dear observer-x sb, we need to stick to indisputable self evident facts not quran and hadis to begin with. For example, we know for a fact that we do not come into this world all by ourselves. We do not look after ourselves after we have landed in this world. We if we grow old cannot look after ourselves. If we get ill during childhood, adulthood or old age we cannot look after ourselves. If we are or become disabled we cannot look after ourselves. We cannot educate and train ourselves or gain needed skills we need for living all by ourselves. Can you dispute any of these facts by any means including the quran and the hadis? Not at all because anyone or anything which contradicts these facts cannot be true or right at all.

This is why even the quran and hadis must fit this framework because that is the way God made this world to work so he cannot tell us anything which goes against that at all. If you like you can bring any mufti, aalim, scientist, philosopher, politician to refute these straight forward facts but they will not be able to refute them.

Islam we have received is not direct from God and his prophets and messengers but through ordinary people no matter how great they were. There are so many books and so many people in the human world and they differ a lot about things be they scientists, philosophers, molvies or politicians etc etc. So we need such a criterion or standard whereby we could reach the truth about things.

All human beings make mistakes and this is human nature because this is the way God has created us. Think about your own life experiences and you will see how after you came into this world you learned each and everything you came to know. Nothing was easy and you had to ask a lot of questions about things. Staring from what is this and what is that etc etc.

This is why nothing and none can be taken for granted by anyone even the alleged word of God or word and deed of a prophet and messenger of God. This is why we must examine the quran as well as the hadis to satisfy our curiosities or questions which arise in our minds. The indisputable facts I have stated force us to interpret God sent and people provided sources of information in such a way that they show consistency with these like self evident facts. If we fail in doing that then either sources are false or we have made mistakes in understanding them correctly. It does not matter who said what or when because the truth remains true and falsehood remains falsehood if we are able to test and judge things correctly.

Since we know we have needs which we need to fulfil so there has to be a way of life, a rule of law and a governing system which helps us do that in the best possible way. This is what the quran and hadis have to be about. Not about baseless nonsense harmful and destructive beliefs and practices.

If possible then take some time and read through my posts may be you will find them helpful to see what quran, hadis, fiqh and islam have to be about and why and what our rulers, money dealers, mullas and their touts and supporters have made of them throughout history. This is why people who claim to be muslims have no respect at all even among themselves let alone what nonmuslims think about them and why.

People who claim to be muslims yet want to separate islam from a so called muslim society its politics, culture and economy only do so because they see how harmful and destructive mullah islam is even for muslims but they have no idea what actual islam is either.

People are now openly questioning mullah islam and they are also trying to discover actual islam from the quran and rest of sources and that is a very good news. But this is going to take time because they need to dig deeper and deeper. Foolish people have covered up actual islam under many layers of their self invented falsehood in the very name of islam.

Hopefully my this explanation of things you will find helpful.

Meanwhile regards and all the best.

 

[observer-x]

Dear observer-x sb, we need to stick to indisputable self evident facts not quran and hadis to begin with. For example, we know for a fact that we do not come into this world all by ourselves. We do not look after ourselves after we have landed in this world. We if we grow old cannot look after ourselves. If we get ill during childhood, adulthood or old age we cannot look after ourselves. If we are or become disabled we cannot look after ourselves. We cannot educate and train ourselves or gain needed skills we need for living all by ourselves. Can you dispute any of these facts by any means including the quran and the hadis? Not at all because anyone or anything which contradicts these facts cannot be true or right at all.

This is why even the quran and hadis must fit this framework because that is the way God made this world to work so he cannot tell us anything which goes against that at all. If you like you can bring any mufti, aalim, scientist, philosopher, politician to refute these straight forward facts but they will not be able to refute them.

Islam we have received is not direct from God and his prophets and messengers but through ordinary people no matter how great they were. There are so many books and so many people in the human world and they differ a lot about things be they scientists, philosophers, molvies or politicians etc etc. So we need such a criterion or standard whereby we could reach the truth about things.

All human beings make mistakes and this is human nature because this is the way God has created us. Think about your own life experiences and you will see how after you came into this world you learned each and everything you came to know. Nothing was easy and you had to ask a lot of questions about things. Staring from what is this and what is that etc etc.

This is why nothing and none can be taken for granted by anyone even the alleged word of God or word and deed of a prophet and messenger of God. This is why we must examine the quran as well as the hadis to satisfy our curiosities or questions which arise in our minds. The indisputable facts I have stated force us to interpret God sent and people provided sources of information in such a way that they show consistency with these like self evident facts. If we fail in doing that then either sources are false or we have made mistakes in understanding them correctly. It does not matter who said what or when because the truth remains true and falsehood remains falsehood if we are able to test and judge things correctly.

Since we know we have needs which we need to fulfil so there has to be a way of life, a rule of law and a governing system which helps us do that in the best possible way. This is what the quran and hadis have to be about. Not about baseless nonsense harmful and destructive beliefs and practices.

If possible then take some time and read through my posts may be you will find them helpful to see what quran, hadis, fiqh and islam have to be about and why and what our rulers, money dealers, mullas and their touts and supporters have made of them throughout history. This is why people who claim to be muslims have no respect at all even among themselves let alone what nonmuslims think about them and why.

People who claim to be muslims yet want to separate islam from a so called muslim society its politics, culture and economy only do so because they see how harmful and destructive mullah islam is even for muslims but they have no idea what actual islam is either.

People are now openly questioning mullah islam and they are also trying to discover actual islam from the quran and rest of sources and that is a very good news. But this is going to take time because they need to dig deeper and deeper. Foolish people have covered up actual islam under many layers of their self invented falsehood in the very name of islam.

Hopefully my this explanation of things you will find helpful.

Meanwhile regards and all the best.

Its a conflicting post in every aspect. The post claims Islam/ Quran is not a reliable source. And then claims there's an alternate Islam out there without Quran and hadith that one should seek and follow?

You can't have it both ways. Its self contradicting.

 

[Mughal1]

Its a conflicting post in every aspect. The post claims Islam/ Quran is not a reliable source. And then claims there's an alternate Islam out there without Quran and hadith that one should seek and follow?

You can't have it both ways. Its self contradicting.

Dear observer x sb, to me it seems as if you are putting the cart before the horse. I am simply explaining how you need to look at things so that you could make sense of things purposefully properly ie of real world realities and alleged revelation of God. If you do not look at things this way then you need to explain for me how can we make sense of these things any other way?

Let me try and explain it by asking you a direct question. How did you come to know the quran is word of God and islam is true way of life? If you say, your ancestors told you so then that line of logic does not work because in that case if you were born in a christian or a hindu household then you will have followed those beliefs and practices without questioning them. So you got to look for some sort of criterion on basis of which you could claim something is true or false or right or wrong.

Justifying beliefs and practices on basis of ancestor following blindly is anti quran and islam. That is because then you lose the right to claim that only you are right and others are wrong. Why then God sent so many prophets and messengers to tell people what is true and what is false, what is right and what is wrong? So you can see you cannot claim something is true or false or right or wrong without having some sort of standard or foundation or touchstone or yardstick to measure things against.

Hopefully you will explain things better with a better explanation in light of better evidences as to what you believe and practice and why so that I could correct myself accordingly and be grateful for your help if I find them helpful.

Meanwhile regards and all the best.

 

[observer-x]

Dear observer x sb, to me it seems as if you are putting the cart before the horse. I am simply explaining how you need to look at things so that you could make sense of things purposefully properly ie of real world realities and alleged revelation of God. If you do not look at things this way then you need to explain for me how can we make sense of these things any other way?

Let me try and explain it by asking you a direct question. How did you come to know the quran is word of God and islam is true way of life? If you say, your ancestors told you so then that line of logic does not work because in that case if you were born in a christian or a hindu household then you will have followed those beliefs and practices without questioning them. So you got to look for some sort of criterion on basis of which you could claim something is true or false or right or wrong.

Justifying beliefs and practices on basis of ancestor following blindly is anti quran and islam. That is because then you lose the right to claim that only you are right and others are wrong. Why then God sent so many prophets and messengers to tell people what is true and what is false, what is right and what is wrong? So you can see you cannot claim something is true or false or right or wrong without having some sort of standard or foundation or touchstone or yardstick to measure things against.

Hopefully you will explain things better with a better explanation in light of better evidences as to what you believe and practice and why so that I could correct myself accordingly and be grateful for your help if I find them helpful.

Meanwhile regards and all the best.

It was crystal clear from your last post that you follow an atheistic approach. Knowing Allah starts from believing in a God first.

I have no issues with atheistic approach, what I get surprised is your twist in claiming there's an alternate Islam which is the right one. Why you're preaching that one?

 

[Wake up Pak]

It was crystal clear from your last post that you follow an atheistic approach. Knowing Allah starts from believing in a God first.

I have no issues with atheistic approach, what I get surprised is your twist in claiming there's an alternate Islam which is the right one. Why you're preaching that one?

Which Islam do you follow? Sunni's, Shia's, Barelvi, Deobandi, Ahle Sunnat, etc.
There is authentic Islam of the Quran and then there is fake Islam of the followers of Sahih Sitta or Asule' Arba etc.

 

[observer-x]

Which Islam do you follow? Sunni's, Shia's, Barelvi, Deobandi, Ahle Sunnat, etc.
There is authentic Islam of the Quran and then there is fake Islam of the followers of Sahih Sitta or Asule' Arba etc.

At least read the history if you don't follow Quran and sunnah. One way or the other in the last 1500 years there was an Islam the followers of which definitely were among Sunni, Shia, Ismaili whatever.

This one off Islam that you guys preach and claim to be the authentic one has no following in the last 1500 years. You're starting a totally new interpretation.

 

[Wake up Pak]

At least read the history if you don't follow Quran and sunnah. One way or the other in the last 1500 years there was an Islam the followers of which were definitely were Sunni, Shia, Ismaili whatever.

This one off Islam that you guys preach and claim to be the authentic one has no following in the last 1500 years. You're starting a totally new interpretation.

What history? Were there Shia, Sunni, Isma'ili during the Messenger's lifetime? Was Prophet Muhammad Shia, Sunni, Ismaili, etc.?
What Islam do I preach? I only try to convey my point of view, not preach to anyone.
What new interpretation? There were some incorrect interpretations made by the interpreter. As humans, we make mistakes, but now, thanks to the Internet, we are more aware and knowledgeable about distinguishing right from wrong.
I'm just a student of the Quran, and it is a constant learning process.

 

[observer-x]

What history? Were there Shia, Sunni, Isma'ili during the Messenger's lifetime?

There are books of history other than Islamic literature.
Shia ideology started right after the first caliph disagreement. It was instantaneous right after the death of the prophet SAW.

Was Prophet Muhammad Shia, Sunni, Ismaili, etc.?

Sects don't appear while prophets are in this world coz they can easily take one side or the other. Sects appear when prophets leave the world and their followers disagree on correct interpretation. Nevertheless Prophet SAW gave a clear guidelines on whoever follows his companions of his generation they'll succeed.

What Islam do I preach? I only try to convey my point of view, not preach to anyone.

You're doing the worst, you reject following sunnah which is the core principle on which Quranic tafseer is done, jurisprudence rulings are made and we get clear guidelines on how to live our lives as muslims.

What new interpretation? There were some incorrect interpretations made by the interpreter. As humans, we make mistakes, but now, thanks to the Internet, we are more aware and knowledgeable about distinguishing right from wrong.

Who gave you authority to say who is right or wrong? We follow taqleed which goes back to the teachings of Prophet SAW. Islam is followed with this method in the last 1500 years regardless of which sect you follow.

I'm just a student of the Quran, and it is a constant learning process.

I admire this humble approach.

 

[Wake up Pak]

There are books of history other than Islamic literature.
Shia ideology started right after the first caliph disagreement. It was instantaneous right after the death of the prophet SAW.

So do you agree that the sects in Islam are normal?

Nevertheless Prophet SAW gave a clear guidelines on whoever follows his companions of his generation they'll succeed.

Why do we need to follow the companions? How will you succeed by following the companions?
Isn't the Quran enough?

You're doing the worst, you reject following sunnah which is the core principle on which Quranic tafseer is done, jurisprudence rulings are made and we get clear guidelines on how to live our lives as muslims.

Where in the Quran is it mentioned that following the Sunnah is a core principle?
How do you know the Quranic Tafseer is correct? Where does this jurisprudence come from?

Who gave you authority to say who is right or wrong? We follow taqleed which goes back to the teachings of Prophet SAW. Islam is followed with this method in the last 1500 years regardless of which sect you follow.

Who gave the ignorant mullah the authority to tell what is right or wrong?
Islam followed in the last 1200 years is not the Islam of the Quran.
Let me clear one thing about sects in the Quran.

6:159 Indeed, you ˹O Prophet˺ are not responsible whatsoever for those who have divided their faith and split into sects. Their judgment rests only with Allah.

 

[observer-x]

So do you agree that the sects in Islam are normal?

Absolutely. Prophet SAW himself confirmed that if christians and jews had 72 sects, we'll have 73 sects.
Humans always look at things from different angles and can have different understanding that is why Prophets SAW asked us to stick with his sunnah so that we don't succumb to those tendencies.

Why do we need to follow the companions? How will you succeed by following the companions?
Isn't the Quran enough?

I repeat, Prophets SAW himself asked us follow his companions, they're like stars whoever follows them they'll be guided. The rightly guided companions never went against what their greatest teacher (Prophet SAW) taught them i.e. Quran and sunnah

Where in the Quran is it mentioned that following the Sunnah is a core principle?

Surah An-Nur 54
"Say, 'Obey Allah and obey the Messenger. But if you turn away, then he is only responsible for his duty and you are responsible for yours'"
Surah Ali 'Imran 3:32
"Say: 'Obey Allah and obey the Messenger. If they turn away from this then know that Allah does not love those who refuse to obey Him and His Messenger'"
Surah Al-Anfal 46
"Obey Allah and His Messenger and do not dispute with one another, or you would be discouraged and weakened. Persevere! Surely Allah is with those who persevere"
Quran 4:59
"Obey Allah, and obey the messenger and those of you who are in authority"

You can't obey Messenger SAW without the sunnah.

How do you know the Quranic Tafseer is correct?

Tafseer could be done with various sources - with Quran, with Ahadith, with Arabic language alone. Tafseer is a way to understand Quran from various angles. There is no one correct/ incorrect tafseer.

Where does this jurisprudence come from?

Experts in Fiqh from earlier generations (some even saw sahaba in their lifetime) created rules of Jurisprudence looking at the ahadith, and Quran. Its for helping the next generations of followers to have them to not sift through all the Quran and Hadith text which could literally take lifetime.

Who gave the ignorant mullah the authority to tell what is right or wrong?

Ignorant is the one who did not study. Ulema and muftis spend 15-20 of their life learning the Islamic sciences. Just like professionals spend 10-15 years of their life learning secular studies.

Mullah is just a derogatory term for people leading salah in masajids. It means nothing, go to the learned ones if you really want to learn Islam.

Islam followed in the last 1200 years is not the Islam of the Quran.

That's your ignorant claim.

Let me clear one thing about sects in the Quran.

6:159 Indeed, you ˹O Prophet˺ are not responsible whatsoever for those who have divided their faith and split into sects. Their judgment rests only with Allah.

This surah has its context which I respect. FYI context in this ayah addresses Jews and Christians.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Absolutely. Prophet SAW himself confirmed that if christians and jews had 72 sects, we'll have 73 sects.
Humans always look at things from different angles and can have different understanding that is why Prophets SAW asked us to stick with his sunnah so that we don't succumb to those tendencies.

I repeat, Prophets SAW himself asked us follow his companions, they're like stars whoever follows them they'll be guided. The rightly guided companions never went against what their greatest teacher (Prophet SAW) taught them i.e. Quran and sunnah

Surah An-Nur 54
"Say, 'Obey Allah and obey the Messenger. But if you turn away, then he is only responsible for his duty and you are responsible for yours'"
Surah Ali 'Imran 3:32
"Say: 'Obey Allah and obey the Messenger. If they turn away from this then know that Allah does not love those who refuse to obey Him and His Messenger'"
Surah Al-Anfal 46
"Obey Allah and His Messenger and do not dispute with one another, or you would be discouraged and weakened. Persevere! Surely Allah is with those who persevere"
Quran 4:59
"Obey Allah, and obey the messenger and those of you who are in authority"

You can't obey Messenger SAW without the sunnah.

Tafseer could be done with various sources - with Quran, with Ahadith, with Arabic language alone. Tafseer is a way to understand Quran from various angles. There is no one correct/ incorrect tafseer.

Experts in Fiqh from earlier generations (some even saw sahaba in their lifetime) created rules of Jurisprudence looking at the ahadith, and Quran. Its for helping the next generations of followers to have them to not sift through all the Quran and Hadith text which could literally take lifetime.

Ignorant is the one who did not study. Ulema and muftis spend 15-20 of their life learning the Islamic sciences. Just like professionals spend 10-15 years of their life learning secular studies.

Mullah is just a derogatory term for people leading salah in masajids. It means nothing, go to the learned ones if you really want to learn Islam.

That's your ignorant claim.

This surah has its context which I respect. FYI context in this ayah addresses Jews and Christians.

I won't repeat what I have written. If you had a little bit of the Quran's understanding, you wouldn't be showing your ignorance about Islam.
It seems to me from your posts that you belong to a certain sect, and you have not read the Quran properly. You are just following conjecture and dogmatic Islam.
By the way, the verse I quoted about sects is not about Christians or Jews but people who believe in Islam.
Here is another verse for sect followers like you.

3:103 And hold fast to the rope of God, altogether, and do not become divided. And remember God's blessings upon you; how you were enemies, and He reconciled your hearts, and by His grace you became brethren. And you were on the brink of a pit of fire, and He saved you from it. God thus clarifies His revelations for you, so that you may be guided.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Surah An-Nur 54
"Say, 'Obey Allah and obey the Messenger. But if you turn away, then he is only responsible for his duty and you are responsible for yours'"
Surah Ali 'Imran 3:32
"Say: 'Obey Allah and obey the Messenger. If they turn away from this then know that Allah does not love those who refuse to obey Him and His Messenger'"
Surah Al-Anfal 46
"Obey Allah and His Messenger and do not dispute with one another, or you would be discouraged and weakened. Persevere! Surely Allah is with those who persevere"
Quran 4:59
"Obey Allah, and obey the messenger and those of you who are in authority"

You can't obey Messenger SAW without the sunnah.

When we tell people that 'we believe the Quran alone is all we need'

They will respond by claiming we have denied the sunna of the messenger because God says "obey God and the messenger" in the Quran

And they claim that 'obey God' refers to the Quran, and 'obey the messenger' with the books of Hadith and Sunna

So they believe that 'obey God and the messenger' is to follow two different sources.

So let's study the phrase 'obey God and the messenger' from a Quranic point of view

The first Observation: The Quran always says 'obey God and the messenger'.

Never does it say 'obey the prophet' or 'obey Muhammad'.

It is always 'obey God and the messenger'
So it is important to understand what the term 'messenger' (Rasool) means.

And why God did not say 'obey the prophet (nabi)'?

Muhammad had two statuses: The status of NUBUWA (prophethood) And the status of RASOOL (messenger)

The status of NUBUWA - the word NUBUWA means 'high or elevated place'.

This means that God has chosen Muhammad, out of all the humans, to communicate with him certain news, prophecies, etc.

So the status of NUBUWA (prophet) means that a human being is communicating with God.

The status of RASOOL - God tells us the status of RASOOL in the Quran:

(5:67) O messenger, deliver what was sent down to you from your Lord. And if you do not, then you have not delivered His message...

We see that God tells us the duty of the messenger is to deliver the message of God

God also says: (24:54) ...there is nothing upon the messenger except the clear delivery...

This teaches us that the sole duty of the messenger is to deliver the message to the people

So if God did not give Muhammad the 'message', then he would not be called 'messenger' (Rasool).

So God calls him 'Rasool because Muhammad is carrying the 'message'.

What is this message that Muhammad carried? The messenger himself answers this in the Quran:
(6:19) ...this Quran has inspired me to deliver it to you and whoever it reaches...


All these verses teach us that the duty of a messenger is to deliver the message.

Muhammad - the messenger - is required to send us the Quran

So when God says "obey the messenger" we are essentially obeying the 'message' itself

Another observation: God says in the Quran (4:80) "Whoever obeys the messenger, has obeyed God..."

This means when we obey the messenger - the message - the Quran, we have in reality obeyed God

All these verses teach us that 'obey God and the messenger' is essentially obeying ONE source - the Quran

Let's assume that the Quran tells us to "obey God" without mentioning obeying the messenger. How would we do that?

This would mean that God Himself would have to come to earth and give us the Quran directly

This of course is illogical

This is why we are to 'obey God and the messenger' - because God gave Muhammad 'the message' which makes him 'a messenger'

And the messenger is required to deliver it to humanity.

So this is what 'obey God and the messenger' means from the Quran.

"Obey God and the messenger" is essentially ONE source - the Quran.

We obey the messenger because he has the 'message'.

 

[observer-x]

When we tell people that 'we believe the Quran alone is all we need'

They will respond by claiming we have denied the sunna of the messenger because God says "obey God and the messenger" in the Quran

And they claim that 'obey God' refers to the Quran, and 'obey the messenger' with the books of Hadith and Sunna

So they believe that 'obey God and the messenger' is to follow two different sources.

So let's study the phrase 'obey God and the messenger' from a Quranic point of view

The first Observation: The Quran always says 'obey God and the messenger'.

Never does it say 'obey the prophet' or 'obey Muhammad'.

It is always 'obey God and the messenger'
So it is important to understand what the term 'messenger' (Rasool) means.

And why God did not say 'obey the prophet (nabi)'?

Muhammad had two statuses: The status of NUBUWA (prophethood) And the status of RASOOL (messenger)

Agreed.

The status of NUBUWA - the word NUBUWA means 'high or elevated place'.

Not correct. Root word is noon ba alif meaning to inform or bring news. Learn arabic please. You're making things up without knowledge.

This means that God has chosen Muhammad, out of all the humans, to communicate with him certain news, prophecies, etc.

So the status of NUBUWA (prophet) means that a human being is communicating with God.

The status of RASOOL - God tells us the status of RASOOL in the Quran:

(5:67) O messenger, deliver what was sent down to you from your Lord. And if you do not, then you have not delivered His message...

Let me correct. Rasool is the one who is given a new law. Like Moses AS was a Rasool but Haroon AS was not, he was just a nabi who would follow prior Rasool's law.

We see that God tells us the duty of the messenger is to deliver the message of God

God also says: (24:54) ...there is nothing upon the messenger except the clear delivery...

This teaches us that the sole duty of the messenger is to deliver the message to the people

So if God did not give Muhammad the 'message', then he would not be called 'messenger' (Rasool).

Heresy.

So God calls him 'Rasool because Muhammad is carrying the 'message'.

What is this message that Muhammad carried? The messenger himself answers this in the Quran:
(6:19) ...this Quran has inspired me to deliver it to you and whoever it reaches...


All these verses teach us that the duty of a messenger is to deliver the message.

Prophets also deliver the messages, illogical point.

Muhammad - the messenger - is required to send us the Quran

So when God says "obey the messenger" we are essentially obeying the 'message' itself

You're making it up out of ignorance.

Another observation: God says in the Quran (4:80) "Whoever obeys the messenger, has obeyed God..."

This means when we obey the messenger - the message - the Quran, we have in reality obeyed God

All these verses teach us that 'obey God and the messenger' is essentially obeying ONE source - the Quran

Let's assume that the Quran tells us to "obey God" without mentioning obeying the messenger. How would we do that?

This would mean that God Himself would have to come to earth and give us the Quran directly

Nope, you're going into the shirk zone.
Sunnah is also preserved to set a practical example for all the followers of Islam till the day of judgement.

This of course is illogical

Of course you point was ridiculous only to dodge where sunnah fits in, you came up with this absurdity.

This is why we are to 'obey God and the messenger' - because God gave Muhammad 'the message' which makes him 'a messenger'

And the messenger is required to deliver it to humanity.

So this is what 'obey God and the messenger' means from the Quran.

Its your weak understanding, no Islamic scholar will agree with your understanding.

"Obey God and the messenger" is essentially ONE source - the Quran.

We obey the messenger because he has the 'message'.

 

[observer-x]

I won't repeat what I have written. If you had a little bit of the Quran's understanding, you wouldn't be showing your ignorance about Islam.
It seems to me from your posts that you belong to a certain sect, and you have not read the Quran properly. You are just following conjecture and dogmatic Islam.

I won't reply to this one, you won't like it. Would like to keep the discussion civil.

By the way, the verse I quoted about sects is not about Christians or Jews but people who believe in Islam.

Read Ibn Kathir it'll tell you the context.

Here is another verse for sect followers like you.

3:103 And hold fast to the rope of God, altogether, and do not become divided. And remember God's blessings upon you; how you were enemies, and He reconciled your hearts, and by His grace you became brethren. And you were on the brink of a pit of fire, and He saved you from it. God thus clarifies His revelations for you, so that you may be guided.

 

[Wake up Pak]

I won't reply to this one, you won't like it. Would like to keep the discussion civil.

Read Ibn Kathir it'll tell you the context.

I don't need to read IBNe Kathir or anyone else. You tell me from the Quran what the context of this verse is.

 

[Wake up Pak]

I won't reply to this one, you won't like it. Would like to keep the discussion civil.

Civil? Just tell me what sect do you belong to?

 

[Wake up Pak]

Nope, you're going into the shirk zone.
Sunnah is also preserved to set a practical example for all the followers of Islam till the day of judgement.

If you add or delete anything from the Book of Allah the Quran, you are committing the shirk

 

[Wake up Pak]

Not correct. Root word is noon ba alif meaning to inform or bring news. Learn arabic please. You're making things up without knowledge.

Wrong again.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Of course you point was ridiculous only to dodge where sunnah fits in, you came up with this absurdity.

Once again Where does it say to follow the Sunnah in the Quran?
You have been denying the Quran till now, and just going into useless circles of rhetoric without any evidence.

 

[Wake up Pak]

You're making it up out of ignorance.

Why would I make it up? Prove me wrong from the Quran.