Quranist/ Parwezi glossary of religious terms.

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
Islam - its a deen not religion meaning its just followed but don't ask for guidelines for how to follow it.
Quran recitation - don't read it in Arabic, don't read for reward, don't memorize, read any translation - don't worry about if translator is authentic or not
Salah - an act with no rituals, no clear way to perform it, just do whatever and call it namaz, in fact don't have to do this either.
Saum/ fast - no fasting, don't have to stay hungry and thirsty, don't deprive yourself of anything, enjoy
Hajj - its rituals by polytheist, don't have to do it
Zakah - why pay whatever % of money to needy, keep it for you
Qadr - what qadr? nothing is written by Allah, can Allah write?
Messenger - its not Muhammad SAW, focus on the word message, forget Messenger SAW being a person and he's dead anyway
Mushrik - anyone who denies Parwezi ideology of no ritual religion
Shahadah - what? you want Prophet SAW name taken along with Allah for testimony of faith? you mushrik
Hadith - we love this word, its fun repeating this word and denying it
 
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Citizen X

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Islam - its a deen not religion meaning its just followed but don't ask for guidelines for how to follow it.
Quran recitation - don't read it in Arabic, don't read for reward, don't memorize, read any translation - don't worry about if translator is authentic or not
Salah - an act with no rituals, no clear way to perform it, just do whatever and call it namaz, in fact don't have to do this either.
Saum/ fast - no fasting, don't have to stay hungry and thirsty, don't deprive yourself of anything, enjoy
Hajj - its rituals by polytheist, don't have to do it
Zakah - why pay whatever % of money to needy, keep it for you
Qadr - what qadr? nothing is written by Allah, can Allah write?
Messenger - its not Muhammad SAW, focus on the word message, forget Messenger SAW being a person and he's dead anyway
Mushrik - anyone who denies Parwezi ideology of no ritual religion
Shahadah - what? you want Prophet SAW name taken along with Allah for testimony of faith? you mushrik
Hadith - we love this word, its fun repeating this word and denying it
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Poor emotional mushrik, when he gets his ass handed to him and he has no comebacks left, he goes crying and makes a new thread about these imaginary "perwezis" ranting like a 6 yr old girl and making up all sorts of lies and bullshit so he can feel happy! 😂
 

wasiqjaved

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Whether one agrees with traditional Islam or the Quranist/Parwezi view, mockery shouldn't replace meaningful debate — especially in a country like Pakistan where people can be prosecuted without due course.

G.A. Parwez and his followers promote a rational, Quran-centric interpretation of Islam. They believe in social justice, accountability, and morality—just through a different lens than mainstream interpretations. Yes, they reject Hadith as divine authority and reframe rituals as symbolic or social duties. But branding that as “do whatever you like” is a misrepresentation.

If we truly care for deen, let’s engage with daleel (evidence) and not just memes or satire. We can strongly disagree, but mocking isn’t debate—it’s cheap clout. And ironically, accusing others of declaring people "mushrik" while doing the same in the post… doesn’t exactly help the case. Pakistan already suffers from sectarianism and religious intolerance. Forums like these should be places of dialogue, not division.
 

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
Whether one agrees with traditional Islam or the Quranist/Parwezi view, mockery shouldn't replace meaningful debate — especially in a country like Pakistan where people can be prosecuted without due course.

G.A. Parwez and his followers promote a rational, Quran-centric interpretation of Islam. They believe in social justice, accountability, and morality—just through a different lens than mainstream interpretations. Yes, they reject Hadith as divine authority and reframe rituals as symbolic or social duties. But branding that as “do whatever you like” is a misrepresentation.

If we truly care for deen, let’s engage with daleel (evidence) and not just memes or satire. We can strongly disagree, but mocking isn’t debate—it’s cheap clout. And ironically, accusing others of declaring people "mushrik" while doing the same in the post… doesn’t exactly help the case. Pakistan already suffers from sectarianism and religious intolerance. Forums like these should be places of dialogue, not division.
Sir, its their position. I've just written it up.
 

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
G.A. Parwez and his followers promote a rational, Quran-centric interpretation of Islam. They believe in social justice, accountability, and morality—just through a different lens than mainstream interpretations. Yes, they reject Hadith as divine authority and reframe rituals as symbolic or social duties. But branding that as “do whatever you like” is a misrepresentation.
You seem to have a soft corner for this ideology. What's your position?
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Whether one agrees with traditional Islam or the Quranist/Parwezi view, mockery shouldn't replace meaningful debate — especially in a country like Pakistan where people can be prosecuted without due course.

G.A. Parwez and his followers promote a rational, Quran-centric interpretation of Islam. They believe in social justice, accountability, and morality—just through a different lens than mainstream interpretations. Yes, they reject Hadith as divine authority and reframe rituals as symbolic or social duties. But branding that as “do whatever you like” is a misrepresentation.

If we truly care for deen, let’s engage with daleel (evidence) and not just memes or satire. We can strongly disagree, but mocking isn’t debate—it’s cheap clout. And ironically, accusing others of declaring people "mushrik" while doing the same in the post… doesn’t exactly help the case. Pakistan already suffers from sectarianism and religious intolerance. Forums like these should be places of dialogue, not division.
You act like a child and start calling people names, then guess what? The same happens back x10 😎
 

wasiqjaved

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
You seem to have a soft corner for this ideology. What's your position?
Soft spot or not, I prefer dialogue in a civilized manner. Here's my stance:

Deen was completed when Prophet Muhammad ﷺ delivered his final sermon. As a Muslim, that's the foundation—nothing needs to be added or taken away.

The Quran is the word of Allah, not the Prophet ﷺ. It’s a divine revelation, eternal and unalterable. That naturally gives it supremacy over all other sources. Hadith, on the other hand, are the sayings and actions of the Prophet ﷺ—or narrations from others about him. They are not divine revelation but still hold value.

So, for me:
  • Quran is the primary and absolute source of guidance.
  • Hadith is a secondary source—important, but not beyond scrutiny.
Hadith can be contextual, debated, and even rejected if they clearly contradict the Quran. But that doesn’t mean we discard them entirely or mock their existence. Both the message and the Messenger ﷺ hold importance in Islam—Quran gives the message, Hadith gives context.

I’m not defending any specific group. I’m just saying: respect the Quran, respect the Prophet ﷺ, and keep the discussion intellectual—not satirical.
 

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
Soft spot or not, I prefer dialogue in a civilized manner. Here's my stance:

Deen was completed when Prophet Muhammad ﷺ delivered his final sermon. As a Muslim, that's the foundation—nothing needs to be added or taken away.

The Quran is the word of Allah, not the Prophet ﷺ. It’s a divine revelation, eternal and unalterable. That naturally gives it supremacy over all other sources. Hadith, on the other hand, are the sayings and actions of the Prophet ﷺ—or narrations from others about him. They are not divine revelation but still hold value.

So, for me:
  • Quran is the primary and absolute source of guidance.
  • Hadith is a secondary source—important, but not beyond scrutiny.
Hadith can be contextual, debated, and even rejected if they clearly contradict the Quran. But that doesn’t mean we discard them entirely or mock their existence. Both the message and the Messenger ﷺ hold importance in Islam—Quran gives the message, Hadith gives context.

I’m not defending any specific group. I’m just saying: respect the Quran, respect the Prophet ﷺ, and keep the discussion intellectual—not satirical.
I have no objections about your position, thanks for clarification.
 

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
You act like a child and start calling people names, then guess what? The same happens back x10 😎
Calling spade a spade.

I don't like wolves in sheeps' clothing. Be blunt, say it out loud who you are. Don't play games of misguiding young muslim readers under a false pretense.
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Deen was completed when Prophet Muhammad ﷺ delivered his final sermon. As a Muslim, that's the foundation—nothing needs to be added or taken away.
YES! Exactly, the deen was completed. So naturally anything that comes after this is obviously not a part of the deen

So where do these hadith "gathered" by these Irani mullahs 200 years after the Prophet died come into play from?
Did the prophet authorized the writing of these narrations, did he condone them, did his closet companion and khulafah rashidun condone them? The answer is a big fat no.

If Allah had wanted these to be part of the deen he would have cleared mentioned in the Quran and he would have protected it just like the Quran in protected.

If they were direct eye witness accounts told and recorded by the actual eye witnessess then maybe we could think about it but Hadith is just hearsay, Bablu heard that Dabbu heard from Khabbu that he heard from Motu that he heard from Langra than he heard from Kaaliya that he heard X say or do this. Now who are all these dabbus and khabbus in the middle we have no idea and each dabbu and khabbu spans and entire generation. Calling the authencity of these narrations even flimsy will be laughable. Let alone stamping them with big seal sayin "SAHIH" that is until someone scholar comes along and declares previously though of as sahih hadith fabricated and previously though of as fabricated hadith as sahih.

So you see what a humomgous mess this whole hadith business is!
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Calling spade a spade.

I don't like wolves in sheeps' clothing. Be blunt, say it out loud who you are. Don't play games of misguiding young muslim readers under a false pretense.
Unlike you I am not chicked shit and everyone here by knows exatcly who I am and have never shyed away from it. And answered even you in a straight yes or no when ever you have asked any question.
Example Do you reject all hadith and I have answered 100% yes!

You are just sore little bro, that like many of your ilk who have presviously tried, this will be a wham bam in and out job, Oh how silly they reject, all I have to do is ask a few awesome questions and hes done for.

But then realize you are way in over your head, because the guy on the other end is actually more knowledgeable than you in your own ways and then some. So thats when all the flaying and crying starts. This is the stage you are at now.

Soon it will degrade to nangi maa phen di galliyan out of sheer frustration of not being able to get one over me (the stage you are heading towards)
 

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
Unlike you I am not chicked shit and everyone here by knows exatcly who I am and have never shyed away from it. And answered even you in a straight yes or no when ever you have asked any question.
Example Do you reject all hadith and I have answered 100% yes!

You are just sore little bro, that like many of your ilk who have presviously tried, this will be a wham bam in and out job, Oh how silly they reject, all I have to do is ask a few awesome questions and hes done for.

But then realize you are way in over your head, because the guy on the other end is actually more knowledgeable than you in your own ways and then some. So thats when all the flaying and crying starts. This is the stage you are at now.

Soon it will degrade to nangi maa phen di galliyan out of sheer frustration of not being able to get one over me (the stage you are heading towards)
We have books and books written on usul of hadith, tafseer, fiqh ... you name it. We proudly discuss all these points with scholars. You think we're going to answer you - a stray dog - in discussing the books of deen? Keep living in a fool's paradise.

I'm only here to try to save naive muslims from your misguidance.
 

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
Here take his hadith, your fate is written in the very words you deny:

إِنَّمَا الْأَعْمَالُ بِالنِّيَّاتِ
Verily actions are will be judged by their intentions

My intention here is to save naive muslims from the misguidance of the worst of the worse creatures that Prophet SAW himself foretold of:

Narrated Abu Rafi: The Prophet SAW said: “I do not want to find any one of you reclining on his couch, and when something that I have commanded to be done or forbidden comes to him, he says, ‘I do not know; we follow what we find in the Book of Allah.’”

Clarify your intentions...
 
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