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[iceburg]

Re: The main contributions of ghulam ahmed parwez to islam and muslims

It is you who need to learn Quran.

It is explanation of Ayath not refutation.

Try to understand Quran as a whole do not cherry pick Quran.

I have shown you more clear and detail verdict of Quran on the issue. so take detail verdict as the base.

Take Care

You have shown only a jatka approach. agar doosri verses ko apparently reconcile na kar sako phir ye kehna shuru kar do k Quranic verse (jo aap ko passand nahi hain) ka wo meaning nahi hai jo actually os verse main likha hua hai.

By the way ... jo ayyet tum ne ab present ki hai it is also not against 5:69,2;62 ... because yahahn bhi "success" ki wohi implications hain jo "Acceptance" of deen ki implications hain ... means k "success" ka koi relation "relief in fear or grief" (an ordinary state of Jannat) se nahi hai ... 'success' ka relation more positive attributes of Jannat se hai....

 

[TruPakistani]

Re: The main contributions of ghulam ahmed parwez to islam and muslims

[MENTION=13412]Mughal1[/MENTION]

Do you have these beliefs or not? YES or NO.

اسکا کہنا ہے کے حدیث عجمی سازش ہے اور اس کی کوئی حیثیت و حقیقت نہیں۔-
آج جو اسلام دنیا میں رائج ہے اسکا قرآنی دین سے کوئی واسطہ نہیں۔-
آپ صلّی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کی وفات کے بعد آپکی اطاعت نہیں ہو گی، اطاعت زندوں کی ہوتی ہے۔-
ختم نبوّت کا مطلب ہیکہ اب مسلمانوں کو اپنے معاملات خود ہی حل کرنے ہوں گے۔-
آخرت سے مراد مستقبل ہے۔-
نماز مجوسیوں سے لی ہوئی ہے۔ *قرآن نے نماز پڑھنے کیلئے نہیں کہا۔-
حضرت آدم علیہ سلام کا کوئی وجود نہیں۔-
قرآن کے علاوہ آپ صلّی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کا کوئی اور معجزہ نہیں۔-
جنّت و جھنّم کی کوئی حقیقت نہیں ہے۔-
اللہ سبحان و تعالی کا خارج میں کوئی وجود (نعوذ و باللہ) نہیں ہے بلکہ اللہ سبحان و تعالی ان صفات کا نام ہے جو انسان اپنے اندر تصور کرتا ہے
جنّات کا کوئی وجود نہیں۔ یہ ایک قوم کا نام تھا جو آپ صلّی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کے زمانے میں جنگلوں میں رہتی تھی۔-
حضرت عیسی علیہ سلام کی وفات ہو چکی ہے اور وہ دوبارہ دنیا میں نہیں آئیں گے​

 

[Abdul Allah]

Re: The main contributions of ghulam ahmed parwez to islam and muslims

You have shown only a jatka approach. agar doosri verses ko apparently reconcile na kar sako phir ye kehna shuru kar do k Quranic verse (jo aap ko passand nahi hain) ka wo meaning nahi hai jo actually os verse main likha hua hai.

By the way ... jo ayyet tum ne ab present ki hai it is also not against 5:69,2;62 ... because yahahn bhi "success" ki wohi implications hain jo "Acceptance" of deen ki implications hain ... means k "success" ka koi relation "relief in fear or grief" (an ordinary state of Jannat) se nahi hai ... 'success' ka relation more positive attributes of Jannat se hai....

Keep playing with Quran.

1) You think Unsuccessful main did not have fear? (jo bacha paper main unsuccessful hoa ho us sy puchna)
2) So you think entering Janat is not a success? just to win debate you keeping throwing nonsense things that are not according to Quran.
3) you think Allah send Prophet Muhammad SW and left if upto others that believe or not you are Janati?
4) You think for Allah only Deen is Islam but still other will get into Janat.

Just bcz you dont want to say that ok i was wrong you keep defending a thing that was never their and for that you do not even hesitate to play with Quran.

I understand Quran first from Quran what you doing ???

 

[Mughal1]

Re: The main contributions of ghulam ahmed parwez to islam and muslims

You your self show your concern of having many books of hadith and tafsir to understand quran

but you yourself gives long and long long posts to understand your thoughts.

any way.

Please Please

dont you know Arab give there language a high status and make their children to learn it properly.


and Quran is universal bcz its Standards are universal not bcz we start to intereprate it according to our standards.


ok why not you tell me

What jin is

Do not send any video

do not send long posts

just few lines(3,4)

Dear brother Abdullah, the quran is a complete message, what do I mean by that? I mean it contains all the essentials about everything humanity will ever need. Now the question is, what does humanity need? Humanity needs a purpose for life and that purpose is Islam. What does that mean? That means humanity is set a goal to accomplish peaceful life here on the earth in the name of Allah. For this reason the quran sets out rules and regulations, rights and responsibilities or guidelines to help people achieve the set out goal. So if we have the goal and the guidelines then where is the problem?

As we all know we are physical beings and all our needs are physical. Our set goal can only be realised physically and our guidelines are all about physical things. Our brains are physical things and so are our rest of bodies. Even the information our brains process is physical data ie electrical signals or pulses.

As for arabic and arabs, I do not say that arabs' cannot know their own language but they will have to learn it like anyone else. If a pakistani child does not learn things about urdu he will not know things about the language. Parwez sb learned things about arabic that is why he became aware of them. Had he not then he too would not like many others. Why do we need dictionaries and books of grammar for our own languages if we already know them? No arabs know what each and every word in arabic is nor all the meanings of each and every word. Nor they know each and every grammatical rule. You are trying to hold on to make beliefs on various things. Do you not see how we teach our babies how to talk and walk etc? All things are learned by us and if we do not learn something we do not know it. So people know only as much as they have learned. All our knowledge comes from personal experiences and these include teachings by others. This is why you cannot be right in whatever you claim against the realities of real word.

You claim the quran is universal but that is just a claim till you prove this claim. That is why you need to interpret the quran in a way that none can refute it. So long as you interpret the quran in any way that can be refuted successfully then thereby you are proving the quran is not universal. Not only you but we all need to realise this fact very clearly. Nothing becomes universal just because you say so rather you also need to show evidence for it. Now take up any interpretation of the quran and discuss it with educated people and you will soon run away because you will have no explanation against their objections based on those interpretations. This is why people are quietly moving away from islam the while mullahs are busy with their fatwas. People move away from islam due to ignorance on one end and due to education on the other. Through ignorance people are worshipping every tom, dick and harry ie they are just muslim by name because they are personality cultists. Through education because the explanations of mullahs make no sense whatsoever. Therefore it is in our own best interest to not to continue on this road or things will continue this way for as along as we do not change for the better.

What is jinn? I have explained that in detail already so kindly refer to my other posts. Please explain the meanings of this word and why you think those meanings are correct.

regards and all the best.

 

[QaiserMirza]

Re: The main contributions of ghulam ahmed parwez to islam and muslims

جہالت کا پرچار کرنے والے خود انہی میں شامل ہیں

 

[Mughal1]

Re: The main contributions of ghulam ahmed parwez to islam and muslims

Yes Quran is easy to understand but do you or some GAP have good knowldege to do that?

Yes Quran is easy to understand but understanding of Rasool Allah SW will be more accurate or some GAP or XYZ??

Dear brother Abdullah, stop hiding behind silly excuses. The prophetic understanding of the quran is just an excuse invented by mullahs because if it was not then we ought to have that understanding in form of another book like the quran along with the quran but we do not . Instead we have unreliable source of information called hadith work. Are you not thinking when you are making such claims? I say unreliable because such reports do not have more reliability beyond simple reports. They are only acceptable if they are according to the quran and if you do not already know what the quran is about then how would you know what is reliable and what is not?

This is where mullahs got us fooled. The rule is not, understand the quran through hadith but understand hadith through the quran. It is hadith that depends on quran for its reliability and understanding and not the other way round. This is very important rule to remember always. It is these like clear evidences that prove mullahs have been dishonest regarding islam and quran.

regards and all the best.

 

[Scorpion]

Re: The main contributions of ghulam ahmed parwez to islam and muslims

are bhai un ko chhoren apni baat karen keh aap ki kia contribnution hai ummah ki behtri ke liye?

Bhai mai tu upnay aap ko theek kur raha hu or is ka baad agar time milta hai tu tammam dajjali fitnoun ki nafi karta hu . . . . Jaisa ka aap or ya Perwaiz . . . .

 

[SaadKnight]

Re: The main contributions of ghulam ahmed parwez to islam and muslims

[MENTION=23179]TruPakistani[/MENTION] [MENTION=13100]Abdul Allah[/MENTION]

And the pervezi mureed

 

[iceburg]

Re: The main contributions of ghulam ahmed parwez to islam and muslims

Keep playing with Quran.

1) You think Unsuccessful main did not have fear? (jo bacha paper main unsuccessful hoa ho us sy puchna)
2) So you think entering Janat is not a success? just to win debate you keeping throwing nonsense things that are not according to Quran.
3) you think Allah send Prophet Muhammad SW and left if upto others that believe or not you are Janati?
4) You think for Allah only Deen is Islam but still other will get into Janat.

Just bcz you dont want to say that ok i was wrong you keep defending a thing that was never their and for that you do not even hesitate to play with Quran.

I understand Quran first from Quran what you doing ???

Jis Quran ki ayet k context main baat ho rahi hai wahan "unsuccessful" ka zikar he nahi. Wahan siraf "successful" ka zikar hai. Secondly tum 7:157 ko quote karte ho (which does not fully support you) lakin 7:159 ko ignore kar jaate ho (which fully supports my position).

Lehaza tum apni aungies bongies kisi seedhe saadhe be-aqal bande ya bache ko ja k batao who, like you, can't differentiate between delicate things.

 

[cofcol]

Re: The main contributions of ghulam ahmed parwez to islam and muslims

Yes Quran is easy to understand but do you or some GAP have good knowldege to do that?

Yes Quran is easy to understand but understanding of Rasool Allah SW will be more accurate or some GAP or XYZ??

You are saying quran is easy to understand but I can not understand it? These are two conflicting things . . . its like saying a very tall man is short and a very fat man is slim . . . .

Quran says its made easy to understand if we come to it without any biases and with clean mind. Clean mind is the basic thing to understand any new concept.

 

[Mughal1]

Re: The main contributions of ghulam ahmed parwez to islam and muslims

Mulhid Kaafir!

All the ulamas (from all school of thoughts) are of the view that this Shaitaan is out of the fold of Islam.

I dont understand why most of the students of Mr. Maududi goes astray (e.g. Parwaiz, Ghamidi etc. etc.)

So you think parwez was student of modoodi? I did not know that. Do you know they were both born in 1903. Pawez worked with allaama iqbal and jinnah but modoodi did not. If you must talk about someone at least find out about them. It is important to do that because by talking against someone you are putting your own credibility on the line.

 

[TruPakistani]

Re: The main contributions of ghulam ahmed parwez to islam and muslims

Dear brother Abdullah, stop hiding behind silly excuses. The prophetic understanding of the quran is just an excuse invented by mullahs because if it was not then we ought to have that understanding in form of another book like the quran along with the quran but we do not . Instead we have unreliable source of information called hadith work. Are you not thinking when you are making such claims? I say unreliable because such reports do not have more reliability beyond simple reports. They are only acceptable if they are according to the quran and if you do not already know what the quran is about then how would you know what is reliable and what is not?

This is where mullahs got us fooled. The rule is not, understand the quran through hadith but understand hadith through the quran. It is hadith that depends on quran for its reliability and understanding and not the other way round. This is very important rule to remember always. It is these like clear evidences that prove mullahs have been dishonest regarding islam and quran.

regards and all the best.

Stop running and answer these questions.
Do you have these beliefs or not? YES or NO.

اسکا کہنا ہے کے حدیث عجمی سازش ہے اور اس کی کوئی حیثیت و حقیقت نہیں۔-
آج جو اسلام دنیا میں رائج ہے اسکا قرآنی دین سے کوئی واسطہ نہیں۔-
آپ صلّی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کی وفات کے بعد آپکی اطاعت نہیں ہو گی، اطاعت زندوں کی ہوتی ہے۔-
ختم نبوّت کا مطلب ہیکہ اب مسلمانوں کو اپنے معاملات خود ہی حل کرنے ہوں گے۔-
آخرت سے مراد مستقبل ہے۔-
نماز مجوسیوں سے لی ہوئی ہے۔ *قرآن نے نماز پڑھنے کیلئے نہیں کہا۔-
حضرت آدم علیہ سلام کا کوئی وجود نہیں۔-
قرآن کے علاوہ آپ صلّی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کا کوئی اور معجزہ نہیں۔-
جنّت و جھنّم کی کوئی حقیقت نہیں ہے۔-
اللہ سبحان و تعالی کا خارج میں کوئی وجود (نعوذ و باللہ) نہیں ہے بلکہ اللہ سبحان و تعالی ان صفات کا نام ہے جو انسان اپنے اندر تصور کرتا ہے
جنّات کا کوئی وجود نہیں۔ یہ ایک قوم کا نام تھا جو آپ صلّی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کے زمانے میں جنگلوں میں رہتی تھی۔-
حضرت عیسی علیہ سلام کی وفات ہو چکی ہے اور وہ دوبارہ دنیا میں نہیں آئیں گے​

 

[iceburg]

Re: The main contributions of ghulam ahmed parwez to islam and muslims

Stop running and answer these questions.
Do you have these beliefs or not? YES or NO.

اسکا کہنا ہے کے حدیث عجمی سازش ہے اور اس کی کوئی حیثیت و حقیقت نہیں۔-
آج جو اسلام دنیا میں رائج ہے اسکا قرآنی دین سے کوئی واسطہ نہیں۔-
آپ صلّی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کی وفات کے بعد آپکی اطاعت نہیں ہو گی، اطاعت زندوں کی ہوتی ہے۔-
ختم نبوّت کا مطلب ہیکہ اب مسلمانوں کو اپنے معاملات خود ہی حل کرنے ہوں گے۔-
آخرت سے مراد مستقبل ہے۔-
نماز مجوسیوں سے لی ہوئی ہے۔ *قرآن نے نماز پڑھنے کیلئے نہیں کہا۔-
حضرت آدم علیہ سلام کا کوئی وجود نہیں۔-
قرآن کے علاوہ آپ صلّی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کا کوئی اور معجزہ نہیں۔-
جنّت و جھنّم کی کوئی حقیقت نہیں ہے۔-
اللہ سبحان و تعالی کا خارج میں کوئی وجود (نعوذ و باللہ) نہیں ہے بلکہ اللہ سبحان و تعالی ان صفات کا نام ہے جو انسان اپنے اندر تصور کرتا ہے
جنّات کا کوئی وجود نہیں۔ یہ ایک قوم کا نام تھا جو آپ صلّی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کے زمانے میں جنگلوں میں رہتی تھی۔-
حضرت عیسی علیہ سلام کی وفات ہو چکی ہے اور وہ دوبارہ دنیا میں نہیں آئیں گے​

Agar Pervez sahib ne aisa kuch kaha hai phir most probably itni simplified propositions main nahi kaha ho ga. koi bhi intellectual reasonings at length k baad he aise conclusions derive/present karta hai. Therefore your demand of yes/no response is unreasonable...!!!

 

[TruPakistani]

Re: The main contributions of ghulam ahmed parwez to islam and muslims

Agar Pervez sahib ne aisa kuch kaha hai phir most probably itni simplified propositions main nahi kaha ho ga. koi bhi intellectual reasonings at length k baad he aise conclusions derive/present karta hai. Therefore your demand of yes/no response is unreasonable...!!!

I don't think I asked you any question.

 

[iceburg]

Re: The main contributions of ghulam ahmed parwez to islam and muslims

I don't think I asked you any question.

This is not a one to one debate forum. Your questions are unreasonable and my vote is that mughal1 is not bound to answer your questions in yes/no format...!!!

 

[TruPakistani]

Re: The main contributions of ghulam ahmed parwez to islam and muslims

This is not a one to one debate forum. Your questions are unreasonable and my vote is that mughal1 is not bound to answer your questions in yes/no format...!!!

I also didn't know that your his secretary as your answering on his behalf.

I know what this forum is for.
He preaches a specific school of thought and I have the right to challenge his school of thought which he preaches publicly.

 

[Abdul Allah]

Re: The main contributions of ghulam ahmed parwez to islam and muslims

You are saying quran is easy to understand but I can not understand it? These are two conflicting things . . . its like saying a very tall man is short and a very fat man is slim . . . .

Quran says its made easy to understand if we come to it without any biases and with clean mind. Clean mind is the basic thing to understand any new concept.

see you can not understand simple english language of my post then how come you will understand Quran that is in Arabic


i said can you understand Quran without proper knowledge?

and why not you repsond to next thing that

Yes Quran is easy to understand but understanding of Rasool Allah SW will be more accurate or some GAP or XYZ??

 

[Abdul Allah]

Re: The main contributions of ghulam ahmed parwez to islam and muslims

Jis Quran ki ayet k context main baat ho rahi hai wahan "unsuccessful" ka zikar he nahi. Wahan siraf "successful" ka zikar hai. Secondly tum 7:157 ko quote karte ho (which does not fully support you) lakin 7:159 ko ignore kar jaate ho (which fully supports my position).

Lehaza tum apni aungies bongies kisi seedhe saadhe be-aqal bande ya bache ko ja k batao who, like you, can't differentiate between delicate things.

let me guide you as we guid Nursery student

Answer please
Successfull ka opposite ka hota hy

 

[Abdul Allah]

Re: The main contributions of ghulam ahmed parwez to islam and muslims

Dear brother Abdullah, stop hiding behind silly excuses. The prophetic understanding of the quran is just an excuse invented by mullahs because if it was not then we ought to have that understanding in form of another book like the quran along with the quran but we do not . Instead we have unreliable source of information called hadith work. Are you not thinking when you are making such claims? I say unreliable because such reports do not have more reliability beyond simple reports. They are only acceptable if they are according to the quran and if you do not already know what the quran is about then how would you know what is reliable and what is not?

This is where mullahs got us fooled. The rule is not, understand the quran through hadith but understand hadith through the quran. It is hadith that depends on quran for its reliability and understanding and not the other way round. This is very important rule to remember always. It is these like clear evidences that prove mullahs have been dishonest regarding islam and quran.

regards and all the best.

again you did not answer what i asked

 

[Abdul Allah]

Re: The main contributions of ghulam ahmed parwez to islam and muslims

Dear brother Abdullah, the quran is a complete message, what do I mean by that? I mean it contains all the essentials about everything humanity will ever need. Now the question is, what does humanity need? Humanity needs a purpose for life and that purpose is Islam. What does that mean? That means humanity is set a goal to accomplish peaceful life here on the earth in the name of Allah. For this reason the quran sets out rules and regulations, rights and responsibilities or guidelines to help people achieve the set out goal. So if we have the goal and the guidelines then where is the problem?

As we all know we are physical beings and all our needs are physical. Our set goal can only be realised physically and our guidelines are all about physical things. Our brains are physical things and so are our rest of bodies. Even the information our brains process is physical data ie electrical signals or pulses.

As for arabic and arabs, I do not say that arabs' cannot know their own language but they will have to learn it like anyone else. If a pakistani child does not learn things about urdu he will not know things about the language. Parwez sb learned things about arabic that is why he became aware of them. Had he not then he too would not like many others. Why do we need dictionaries and books of grammar for our own languages if we already know them? No arabs know what each and every word in arabic is nor all the meanings of each and every word. Nor they know each and every grammatical rule. You are trying to hold on to make beliefs on various things. Do you not see how we teach our babies how to talk and walk etc? All things are learned by us and if we do not learn something we do not know it. So people know only as much as they have learned. All our knowledge comes from personal experiences and these include teachings by others. This is why you cannot be right in whatever you claim against the realities of real word.

You claim the quran is universal but that is just a claim till you prove this claim. That is why you need to interpret the quran in a way that none can refute it. So long as you interpret the quran in any way that can be refuted successfully then thereby you are proving the quran is not universal. Not only you but we all need to realise this fact very clearly. Nothing becomes universal just because you say so rather you also need to show evidence for it. Now take up any interpretation of the quran and discuss it with educated people and you will soon run away because you will have no explanation against their objections based on those interpretations. This is why people are quietly moving away from islam the while mullahs are busy with their fatwas. People move away from islam due to ignorance on one end and due to education on the other. Through ignorance people are worshipping every tom, dick and harry ie they are just muslim by name because they are personality cultists. Through education because the explanations of mullahs make no sense whatsoever. Therefore it is in our own best interest to not to continue on this road or things will continue this way for as along as we do not change for the better.

What is jinn? I have explained that in detail already so kindly refer to my other posts. Please explain the meanings of this word and why you think those meanings are correct.

regards and all the best.

cant you use less words??

any way

tell me one thing

Should we translate Quran according to what science says

or other way around

PLEASE short answer just 2 ,3 lines


and what Jin is. Just few lines 2 or 3

do not refer me to you previous posts