Javed Ahmad Ghamdi Threads - Collection

[Mughal1]

Re: Ghamdi Idealogy vs Islamic Idealogy: Comparision

Stop avoiding and answer these questions.
Do you have these beliefs or not? YES or NO.

اسکا کہنا ہے کے حدیث عجمی سازش ہے اور اس کی کوئی حیثیت و حقیقت نہیں۔-
آج جو اسلام دنیا میں رائج ہے اسکا قرآنی دین سے کوئی واسطہ نہیں۔-
آپ صلّی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کی وفات کے بعد آپکی اطاعت نہیں ہو گی، اطاعت زندوں کی ہوتی ہے۔-
ختم نبوّت کا مطلب ہیکہ اب مسلمانوں کو اپنے معاملات خود ہی حل کرنے ہوں گے۔-
آخرت سے مراد مستقبل ہے۔-
نماز مجوسیوں سے لی ہوئی ہے۔ *قرآن نے نماز پڑھنے کیلئے نہیں کہا۔-
حضرت آدم علیہ سلام کا کوئی وجود نہیں۔-
قرآن کے علاوہ آپ صلّی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کا کوئی اور معجزہ نہیں۔-
جنّت و جھنّم کی کوئی حقیقت نہیں ہے۔-
اللہ سبحان و تعالی کا خارج میں کوئی وجود (نعوذ و باللہ) نہیں ہے بلکہ اللہ سبحان و تعالی ان صفات کا نام ہے جو انسان اپنے اندر تصور کرتا ہے
جنّات کا کوئی وجود نہیں۔ یہ ایک قوم کا نام تھا جو آپ صلّی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کے زمانے میں جنگلوں میں رہتی تھی۔-
حضرت عیسی علیہ سلام کی وفات ہو چکی ہے اور وہ دوبارہ دنیا میں نہیں آئیں گے​

Dear TruPakistani, your problem is not with anyone else but your own mindset and attitude. The day you sit alone and start thinking regarding the criterion for understanding the quran that is when you will start thinking as to what mullahs teach and why it is not right to a great extent. All you need to do is look at debates between sectarian mullahs and see how they expose each other's make beliefs.

You have no choice but to agree with me that most people in the world who claim to be muslims are either shias or sunnies. Among each these main groups are further sects and they claim to be of those sects eg sunnies are divided into so many sects ie deobandies, brelavies, wahabies, salafies, ahle hadith and so on.

Read these peoples' books and you will see they declare each other kafiro mushrik. They have different interpretations of quran and hadith. All this proves beyond shadow of doubt that most muslims do not follow the quran properly. This being the case it is more important for us to find out what the proper islam is. Is there any sense that you condemn anyone without having any provable basis for your own beliefs? This is why you should not be childish. Only a childish person would behave the way you do.

I do not post videos because I cannot answer your questions but for your education to make you realise that people from whom you have learned anything about islam are confused themselves.

Ghulam ahmed parwez has come up with a new way of looking at the quran even though he himself did not manage to complete his work on the quran. Mullahs can never know islam even if they lived for another thousand years because they do not have any formula for understanding the quran properly whereas the formula given by a few recent scholars is there for anyone to work on and I know for a fact that it will help us rediscover the proper message of the quran.

If you waste your time the way you are then you will not get anywhere. You would be better off doing something useful than promoting stupidity and hatred. If islam was intact then there would be no sects in islam. You are denying the reality that is staring you in the face. Parwez sb has done a great service to islam and muslims by telling us muslims the formula that will unite us and get rid of sectarianism from within us. Something that you do not know because if you did you would have appreciated his ideas.

Watch how educated try and think.

Dr. Gary Miller - Basis for Muslim's Belief
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmwRqMwm9xI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPR48pP8Tbk

regards and all the best.

 

[Mughal1]

Re: Ghamdi Idealogy vs Islamic Idealogy: Comparision

I totally AGrEED
I Always Expect Something Better from HUMANS
But nothing from ANIMALS like
Pervez Ahmed, Ghulam Ahmed Padiyani and Ghamdi the Wolf.


And as for Understanding Quran, Quran is Very well understood from
More than 1400 years ALHAMDOLILLAH.
Even the Four IMAMS said
"THAT ANY parts of our Definations whenever found AGAINST the Verse of Quran n SUNNAH
Throw it to WALL and Follow the Authentic hadith you found Later."

Form 1400 Years and so UMMAH is Following JEHIL, for Allah Sake.

Keep Following BABOONS of Yours, But why You want that we also stop
"Spreading the Truth i.e. Ammar e Bil Maroof nahi unil munkar"

I will CHALLENGE You i as a common Muslim ALHAMDOLILLAH
"Proof GHAMDI The Liar KING false on his STANCE on JANNAH and JEHANUM"

He is a LIAr same like Ghulam Padiyani, Ghulam Pervez and Biha Ullah and co.

Wassallam

Dear watandost, at animal level can only be those people who fail to develop their ability to think clear after being born knowing nothing so they remain confused and cause confusion due to lack of knowledge but in no way those who educate themselves and develop their ability to think clearly therefore come up with ideas that remove confusion by making things clear.

Since people who do not think do not develop proper standard for judgement of things so they cannot judge things correctly therefore their verdicts remains a sham. This is why educated people can see who is talking sense and who is talking nonsense. Therefore only educated people can see which human is like animals and which humans is really like humans.

Therefore kindly learn things that you need to learn so that you become wise and can properly contribute for the good of ummah.

The quran cannot be understood unless a person enables oneself to be able to realise the need for the criterion to understand it. Once a person has that criterion then one need to start learning the quran and hopefully one will get the message of the quran. So no point in condemning anyone by anyone without knowing anything better oneself.

This is why my advice for people like you is to get educated in essentials and then I do not need to tell you anything because you yourself will come to realise what is right and why. Education makes a huge difference in one's thinking and therefore one's life. It is win win situation once you are educated properly. Otherwise the world will carry on after us the way it has been before us. It is we who need to make a difference for the better rather than for the worse.

regards and all the best.

 

[NonStopLeo]

Re: Ghamdi Idealogy vs Islamic Idealogy: Comparision

Ghamidi mujhy pehly b pasand nahi tha, ab mazeed na-pasand ho gya hia

 

[TruPakistani]

Re: Ghamdi Idealogy vs Islamic Idealogy: Comparision

Dear TruPakistani, your problem is not with anyone else but your own mindset and attitude. The day you sit alone and start thinking regarding the criterion for understanding the quran that is when you will start thinking as to what mullahs teach and why it is not right to a great extent. All you need to do is look at debates between sectarian mullahs and see how they expose each other's make beliefs.

You have no choice but to agree with me that most people in the world who claim to be muslims are either shias or sunnies. Among each these main groups are further sects and they claim to be of those sects eg sunnies are divided into so many sects ie deobandies, brelavies, wahabies, salafies, ahle hadith and so on.

Read these peoples' books and you will see they declare each other kafiro mushrik. They have different interpretations of quran and hadith. All this proves beyond shadow of doubt that most muslims do not follow the quran properly. This being the case it is more important for us to find out what the proper islam is. Is there any sense that you condemn anyone without having any provable basis for your own beliefs? This is why you should not be childish. Only a childish person would behave the way you do.

I do not post videos because I cannot answer your questions but for your education to make you realise that people from whom you have learned anything about islam are confused themselves.

Ghulam ahmed parwez has come up with a new way of looking at the quran even though he himself did not manage to complete his work on the quran. Mullahs can never know islam even if they lived for another thousand years because they do not have any formula for understanding the quran properly whereas the formula given by a few recent scholars is there for anyone to work on and I know for a fact that it will help us rediscover the proper message of the quran.

If you waste your time the way you are then you will not get anywhere. You would be better off doing something useful than promoting stupidity and hatred. If islam was intact then there would be no sects in islam. You are denying the reality that is staring you in the face. Parwez sb has done a great service to islam and muslims by telling us muslims the formula that will unite us and get rid of sectarianism from within us. Something that you do not know because if you did you would have appreciated his ideas.

Watch how educated try and think.

Dr. Gary Miller - Basis for Muslim's Belief
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmwRqMwm9xI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPR48pP8Tbk

regards and all the best.

I am asking you a simple question. If you can understand english or urdu. Just answer me whether these are your beliefs or not. Don't worry about my understanding.

اسکا کہنا ہے کے حدیث عجمی سازش ہے اور اس کی کوئی حیثیت و حقیقت نہیں۔-
آج جو اسلام دنیا میں رائج ہے اسکا قرآنی دین سے کوئی واسطہ نہیں۔-
آپ صلّی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کی وفات کے بعد آپکی اطاعت نہیں ہو گی، اطاعت زندوں کی ہوتی ہے۔-
ختم نبوّت کا مطلب ہیکہ اب مسلمانوں کو اپنے معاملات خود ہی حل کرنے ہوں گے۔-
آخرت سے مراد مستقبل ہے۔-
نماز مجوسیوں سے لی ہوئی ہے۔ *قرآن نے نماز پڑھنے کیلئے نہیں کہا۔-
حضرت آدم علیہ سلام کا کوئی وجود نہیں۔-
قرآن کے علاوہ آپ صلّی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کا کوئی اور معجزہ نہیں۔-
جنّت و جھنّم کی کوئی حقیقت نہیں ہے۔-
اللہ سبحان و تعالی کا خارج میں کوئی وجود (نعوذ و باللہ) نہیں ہے بلکہ اللہ سبحان و تعالی ان صفات کا نام ہے جو انسان اپنے اندر تصور کرتا ہے
جنّات کا کوئی وجود نہیں۔ یہ ایک قوم کا نام تھا جو آپ صلّی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کے زمانے میں جنگلوں میں رہتی تھی۔-
حضرت عیسی علیہ سلام کی وفات ہو چکی ہے اور وہ دوبارہ دنیا میں نہیں آئیں گے​

 

[cefspan]

Re: Ghamdi Idealogy vs Islamic Idealogy: Comparision

Wowww .. yeh to mujhe aaj pata chala ke ghamdi uncle k nazdeek Ku..tt..a bhi halaal hai

ghamdi ko chahiyee aik dawat kare aur ku...ttay ka ghoost paka kar apne sab mureedon aur followers ko khilai :lol:

What's The Proof That Ghamdi Ever Said That?

 

[siddique]

Re: Ghamdi Idealogy vs Islamic Idealogy: Comparision

aik aadmi islam ke mukhalif itne aqeeday rakhta hau are aap kehte hain ke zaroori nahi

to phir Mohtaram yeh bhi farma dain ke islam se kharij hone ke liyee zaroori kia hai taake hum jaise Kam akkal loog aap jaise aalim fazil se faiz yaab ho sakain

brother sohrab the answer is simple
follow gaamdi and u would be out of islam

 

[WatanDost]

Re: Ghamdi Idealogy vs Islamic Idealogy: Comparision

Dear watandost, at animal level can only be those people who fail to develop their ability to think clear after being born knowing nothing so they remain confused and cause confusion due to lack of knowledge but in no way those who educate themselves and develop their ability to think clearly therefore come up with ideas that remove confusion by making things clear.

Since people who do not think do not develop proper standard for judgement of things so they cannot judge things correctly therefore their verdicts remains a sham. This is why educated people can see who is talking sense and who is talking nonsense. Therefore only educated people can see which human is like animals and which humans is really like humans.

Therefore kindly learn things that you need to learn so that you become wise and can properly contribute for the good of ummah.

The quran cannot be understood unless a person enables oneself to be able to realise the need for the criterion to understand it. Once a person has that criterion then one need to start learning the quran and hopefully one will get the message of the quran. So no point in condemning anyone by anyone without knowing anything better oneself.

This is why my advice for people like you is to get educated in essentials and then I do not need to tell you anything because you yourself will come to realise what is right and why. Education makes a huge difference in one's thinking and therefore one's life. It is win win situation once you are educated properly. Otherwise the world will carry on after us the way it has been before us. It is we who need to make a difference for the better rather than for the worse.

regards and all the best.

Dear Pervaizi Follower Mughal1
Quran cannot be Understood with Any Ghamdi Gandagi,Qadiyani Padiyani or Pervaizi Paleedy Glasses or Education.
Its only Understood by the Blessing of ALLAH swt. As Quran said
"Aur Ham nai Quran ko samjhnay kai liye AASAN bana diya"

Keep your EDUCATION intact with you I dont have any problem with it.
But dont gave STUPID lectures of your LIKINGS.
I started this Thread for My Muslim Brothers in Islam.
Not for ANY Ghamdi, QadiYani or Pervaizi follower.
Thanks.

I read Quran with Tafseer Alhamdolillah all Praise to ALLAH SWT
I didt find anything which Ghamdi and rest are MENTIONING.
JAHILOON ko SALAAM

 

[Sohraab]

Re: Ghamdi Idealogy vs Islamic Idealogy: Comparision

brother sohrab the answer is simple
follow gaamdi and u would be out of islam

yes u are rite siddique bro

 

[Sohraab]

Re: Ghamdi Idealogy vs Islamic Idealogy: Comparision

What's The Proof That Ghamdi Ever Said That?

check this last red box .. ghamdi k nazdeek sirf murdaar, soowar ka ghoost, khoon, aur ghair ullah ke naam ka zabiha haraam hai ( Meezan page 311 ) ...

 

[patriot]

Re: Ghamdi Idealogy vs Islamic Idealogy: Comparision

To All the Followers and Admirers of Mr Ghamdi.
I gave You one Point common in ALL LAEENS.
Like Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Padyanee, Biha Ullah Bihai, Ghulam Ahmed Pervez,
And Latest JAVED AHMED PAHPOONDI.

"There is NO need of JIHAD e Fe SabeelLILLAH"

Go right or LEFT THESE ALL Baboons Are PLANTED for THIS TASK.
CHEErs.;););)

Sorry, clicked like by mistake.

You are right about Mirza Qadiyani sb but you must prove about the other two.

 

[cefspan]

Re: Ghamdi Idealogy vs Islamic Idealogy: Comparision

check this last red box .. ghamdi k nazdeek sirf murdaar, soowar ka ghoost, khoon, aur ghair ullah ke naam ka zabiha haraam hai ( Meezan page 311 ) ...

Meezan Magazine Sae Counter Check Kiya Ap Ne?

 

[imanadar]

Dr Tahirul Qadri Reply To GHAMDI ( Fitna)

Those illeterate individuals promoting Ghamdi on this forum should now sit tight and just listen.
Request to all viewers Please be very careful from such people.
Ghamdi
Parvez
Ghulam Ahmed Qadyani
Gohar Shahi

All of these are here to Divert People from Islam..
The only Way to Success in this World and Hereafter is by Following the Hukam of ALLAH and Only the Exact ways of Prophet pbuh. No other way no other knowledge.

Sit tight some more will be coming soon.

 

[indigo]

Re: Dr Tahirul Qadri Reply To GHAMDI ( Fitna)

 

[muslim01]

Re: Ghamdi Idealogy vs Islamic Idealogy: Comparision

Na seerat e nabi per amal aur na hi soorat e nabi aur chalain hain deen ka dars denay.

Dor e hazar ka one of the biggest fitnah is Ghamidi mulhid. May Allah save all muslims from this fitnah. Is khabees ko opper lanay wala wohi tha jis ne lal masjid ko attack keraya aur kafiroon k kehnay per pakistan aur afghanistan kay musalmanoon ko qatal keraya thru military operations.

 

[indigo]

Re: Dr Tahirul Qadri Reply To GHAMDI ( Fitna)

​

Allah SubHanuhu wa Ta'ala says in the Holy Qur'an

يا ايها الذين امنوا لا تتخذوا اليهود والنصارى اولياء بعضهم اولياء بعض ومن يتولهم منكم فانه منهم ان الله لا يهدي القوم الظالمين
“O People who Believe! Do not make the Jews and the Christians your friends; they are friends of one another; and whoever among you befriends them, is one of them; indeed Allah does not guide the unjust.” [Surah al-Maidah 5:51]
​

Dr. Tahir and his organizations, namely the Minhaj-ul-Quran (MQI) & the Muslim Christian Dialogue Forum (MCDF), have for some years been organizing and holding celebrations marking Christmas, and inviting members of the Christian community. These functions have contained seriously objectionable statements and acts.

Apart from these, visits to the churches all over the world by MQI and MCDF members are proudly displayed on their websites – with one YouTube video showing Dr. Tahir exchanging the Qur'an with the Bible with the Christian priests!

The irony is that Dr. Tahir was the very person who defeated a prominent Christian priest, in a much publicized debate, and made the priest acknowledge that the bible was corrupted. That was 20 odd years ago, in Western Europe. So why this sudden turnaround?

And the pattern of friendship and revering symbols of disbelief has reached such a point that functions are now being held under the patronage of Dr. Tahir (and his organizations) also along with Hindus, Sikhs, Shias etc – for the goals of “inter-faith harmony, minority affairs and the pledge to work for Pakistan”.

CHAIRMAN MCDF DR. TAHIR LIGHTING “THE CANDLE OF PEACE”.
NOTICE THE BIG CROSS WORN BY BISHOP ANDREW FRANCIS
​

After several warnings for over 5 years, and failed attempts by Muslim scholars requesting him to desist from holding Christmas celebrations and to clarify what he meant in his objectionable speeches, a Fatwa (religious decree) of Kufr (Infidelity) and Irtidad (apostasy) was issued against Dr. Tahir. The decree is written in Urdu, by a renowned Islamic scholar Mufti Mohammed Fazl-e-Rasool, from Sargodha, Pakistan. The decree was issued in April 2011, based on the speech delivered by Dr. Tahir on 02 January 2006 (during the Christmas function held at the MQI premises in Lahore).

Prior to this, in the 1990s, Dr. Tahir has been in the news for various other wayward declarations. These were ominous signs, but none as blatantly brazen like those in the past few years, beginning with the organizing of Christmas celebrations.

Another irony is that Dr. Tahir has named his organization “Minhajul-Qur'an (i.e. way of the Qur'an) – and the Qur'an itself is the witness against him! The organization is not the “way” of the Qur'an – it is actually taking people “away” from the Qur'an. And Dr. Tahir is rejecting the injunctions of the Holy Qur'an – so I (Aqib Farid Qadiri) have therefore described Dr. Tahir as “Man Haajj al-Qur'an” (i.e. one who refuted the Qur'an).

DR TAHIR SEATED WITH HINDU PUNDITS, SIKHS, CHRISTIANS, JEWS, BUDHISTS ETC,
DURING THE CONFERENCE IN LONDON ON 24 SEPTEMBER 2011.
​

Recently, Dr. Tahir organized a convention in Wembley, London (UK) – on 24 September 2011 - where he invited leaders of several religions – including Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, Christians and Buddhists. His deviance has advanced to such a level that he has left no doubt about his despicable and corrupted beliefs. The following abhorrent acts were openly committed, and proudly relayed live on electronic media:-

• Dr. Tahir calling the representatives of the Hindu, Buddhist & Sikh religions as “great leaders”.
• Dr. Tahir saying that, “the three religions – of the Jews, the Christians and Islam – are all the legacy of Syedna Ibrahim (peace be upon him)” – which is in direct contradiction of the Holy Qur'an.
• Dr. Tahir saying that, “We will sing together the song of peace and love. We will take melodies from the Bible, we will take lyrics from the Taurah, and we will take rhythm from the Qur'an – and we will take humility and peace from all other sacred books belonging to other religions of humanity”.
• Dr. Tahir saying that, “We will remember the awakening of the Buddha, and we will remember the love of Krishna and we will remember the optimism of the Sikhs”.
• Dr. Tahir praying that “May each religion keep its fragrance”.
• The disbelievers & their leaders were personally requested by Dr. Tahir to call out to their “respective gods”. They then “called out” (prayed) loudly as follows:-
  Hindu Pundit: “Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Raam Raam, Hare Raam …”
  Christian Priest: “Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Father God”.
  Buddhist Monk: “Namoh Buddhay, Namoh Buddhay, Namoh Buddhay”
  Hindu Monk: “Om Namash-Shivaye Namaham..”
  The Sikhs: “Wahe Guru, Wahe Guru……. Sat Sri Akaal”

Since these acts are blatantly anti-Islamic and polytheistic, I am sure many more condemnations and decrees of apostasy will be issued against him. This book, however, will clearly demonstrate that Dr. Tahir had clearly left the path of Muslims, since many years.

MINHAJ MEMBERS INSIDE THE SIKH TEMPLE (GURDWARA)
Notice the Minhaj members standing “respectfully” and wearing caps.

THE CHARGES AGAINST DR. TAHIR & HIS FOLLOWERS​

1. Desecrating and Insulting the Holy Qur'an, by reading the corrupted Bible with it. Also exchanging the Qur'an for the Bible in a publicized function.

2. Organizing openly polytheistic functions – and that too under the banner of the Holy Qur'an.

3. Giving respect to Christian bishops and priests (by calling them honorable, embracing them, etc.), whilst they were openly refuting the Holy Qur'an by wearing the cross.

4. Classifying Christians and Jews as Believers – not disbelievers– and trying to please the Christians.

5. Insulting the celebration of Meelad un-Nabi by equating it to Christmas.

6. Being happy with continued polytheism (disbelief).

7. Desecrating the mosques by allowing them to practice their pagan practices inside it.

8. Attending functions of other religions that are openly opposed to Islam.

9. Visiting Gurdwaras, Hindu temples and Churches while showing deep “respect”, and “praying” along-with the disbelievers.

10. Holding seminars where disbelievers (including out-right idol worshipers) were invited to sing polytheistic songs (bhajans) and invited to pray to their “respective gods”.

11. Desecrating the celebration of Meelad un-Nabi, by holding it inside a church.

DR. TAHIR CUTTING THE CHRISTMAS CAKE WITH PRIESTS AND OTHER CHRISTIANS.

THE CONCLUSION​

Listed below are the well-known elements that take one out of the fold as Islam:

1. Rejecting any one (or more) of the basic tenets of Islam.
2. Equating Islam to other religions.
3. Desecrating the symbols of Islam (e.g. Holy Qur'an, the name of the Holy Prophet and mosques).
4. Venerating the known symbols of disbelief (such as the Cross, the Hindu temples or idols and pagan festivals).
5. Being pleased with disbelief or acts of disbelief.
6. Going against the consensus of the Islamic Ummah.

Based on the charges, readers are requested to reflect on the “faith” of the perpetrators and decide if they are worthy of being called Muslims.

HOLDING MEELAD-UN-NABI CELEBRATIONS INSIDE THE CHURCH, WITH THE HUGE CROSS
PROMINENTLY FIXED ON THE WALL. ATTENDEES INCLUDE CHRISTIANS AND SIKHS.

WORDS OF ADVICE​

TO ALL THOSE WHO ARE ASSOCIATED WITH DR. TAHIR OR THE MQI / MCDF OR INCLINED TOWARDS THEM

LEAVE THE DISBELIEVERS – EVEN IF THEY ARE YOUR FATHERS OR YOUR BROTHERS!

[Taubah 9:23] O People who Believe! Do not consider your fathers and your brothers as your friends if they prefer disbelief over faith; and whoever among you befriends them - then it is he who is the unjust.

THE SUPPORTERS OF THE DISBELIEVERS ARE THE DEVILS

[Baqarah 2:257] Allah is the Guardian of the Muslims - He removes them from realms of darkness towards light; and the supporters of disbelievers are the devils - they remove them from light towards the realms of darkness; it is they who are the people of fire; they will remain in it forever.

THE DEVILS WISH TO DRAG YOU INTO HELL

[Fatir 35:6-7] Indeed Satan is your enemy, therefore you too take him as an enemy; he only calls his group so that they become the people of hell! For the disbelievers is a severe punishment; and for those who accepted faith and did good deeds, is forgiveness and an immense reward.

PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE ON THE RIGHT PATH EVEN IF THEY ARE ON THE PATH OF HELL!

[Aa`raf 7:30] He has guided one group, and one groups error has been proved; instead of Allah, they have chosen the devil as their friend and they assume that they are on guidance!

[Zukhruf 43:37] And indeed those devils prevent them from the Straight Path, and they think they are on guidance!

THE DEVIL AND WHOEVER HE DUPED WILL GO TO HELL TOGETHER.

[Ibrahim 14:49] And on that day you will see the guilty linked together in chains.

[Zukhruf 43:38] To the extent that when the disbeliever will be brought to Us, he will say to his devil, “Alas - if only there was the distance of east and west, between you and me!” - so what an evil companion he is!

[Hashr 59:16-17] The example of the devil - when he said to man “Disbelieve”; so when he has rejected faith, he says, “I am unconcerned with you - indeed I fear Allah, the Lord of The Creation.”So the fate of them both is that they are both in the fire, to remain in it forever; and this is the proper punishment for the unjust.

DO NOT LEAVE THE ESTABLISHED RIGHT PATH.

[Aal-e-Imran 3:102] O People who Believe! Fear Allah in the manner He should rightfully be feared, and do not die except as Muslims.

[Nisa 4:115] And whoever opposes the Noble Messenger after the right path has been made clear to him, and follows a way other than that of the Muslims, We shall leave him as he is, and put him in hell; and what a wretched place to return!

REPENT & SEEK THE REFUGE OF ALLAH, THE SUPREME.

[Baqarah 2:160] Except those who repent and do reform and disclose (the truth) - so I will accept their repentance; and I only am the Most Acceptor of Repentance, the Most Merciful.

[Ana`am 6:120] And give up the open and hidden sins; those who earn sins will soon receive the punishment of their earnings.

[Hud 11:61] Andto the Thamud tribe, We sent their fellow man Saleh; he said, “O my people! Worship Allah, there is no other True God except Him; He created you from the earth and established you in it, so seek forgiveness from Him and incline towards Him in repentance; indeed my Lord is Close, Acceptor of Prayer.”

[Mominun 23:97] And submit, “My Lord! I seek Your refuge from the instigation of the devils.”

[Nasr 110:3] Then proclaim the Purity of your Lord while praising Him, and seek forgiveness from Him; indeed He is the Most Acceptor of Repentance.

To those members of MQI and MCDF, who have been supporting Dr. Tahir and his abhorrent acts, knowingly or un-knowingly: the advice is to immediately repent and leave such deviant organizations.

To all others who are not involved in these acts but have soft corner for the MQI & MCDF or their leaders: PLEASE – for the sake of your own hereafter, and that of your children - stay away from such organizations and stick to the creed of the Ahle-Sunnah.

May Allah the Supreme, guide us on the Straight Path, record us among the righteous, and bestow us death only as Muslims. Aameen.

Note: All the Photographic evidences are proudly displayed on MQI websites.

MINHAJ MEMBERS CELEBRATE THE HOLI FESTIVAL INSIDE THE HINDU TEMPLE.
Notice the faces colored with red powder and the temple‟s bell near the exit.

--
Extracted from:
Hussam al-Furqan Ala Mann Haajj Al-Qur'an
Sword of the Criterion upon one who refuted the Qur'an
A Refutation of the Corrupt Beliefs of Dr. Tahir by Aqib Farid Qadiri​

 

[indigo]

Re: Dr Tahirul Qadri Reply To GHAMDI ( Fitna)

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Allah SubHanuhu wa Ta'ala says in the Holy Qur'an

يا ايها الذين امنوا لا تتخذوا اليهود والنصارى اولياء بعضهم اولياء بعض ومن يتولهم منكم فانه منهم ان الله لا يهدي القوم الظالمين
O People who Believe! Do not make the Jews and the Christians your friends; they are friends of one another; and whoever among you befriends them, is one of them; indeed Allah does not guide the unjust. [Surah al-Maidah 5:51]
​

Dr. Tahir and his organizations, namely the Minhaj-ul-Quran (MQI) & the Muslim Christian Dialogue Forum (MCDF), have for some years been organizing and holding celebrations marking Christmas, and inviting members of the Christian community. These functions have contained seriously objectionable statements and acts.

Apart from these, visits to the churches all over the world by MQI and MCDF members are proudly displayed on their websites with one YouTube video showing Dr. Tahir exchanging the Qur'an with the Bible with the Christian priests!

The irony is that Dr. Tahir was the very person who defeated a prominent Christian priest, in a much publicized debate, and made the priest acknowledge that the bible was corrupted. That was 20 odd years ago, in Western Europe. So why this sudden turnaround?

And the pattern of friendship and revering symbols of disbelief has reached such a point that functions are now being held under the patronage of Dr. Tahir (and his organizations) also along with Hindus, Sikhs, Shias etc for the goals of inter-faith harmony, minority affairs and the pledge to work for Pakistan.

CHAIRMAN MCDF DR. TAHIR LIGHTING THE CANDLE OF PEACE.
NOTICE THE BIG CROSS WORN BY BISHOP ANDREW FRANCIS
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After several warnings for over 5 years, and failed attempts by Muslim scholars requesting him to desist from holding Christmas celebrations and to clarify what he meant in his objectionable speeches, a Fatwa (religious decree) of Kufr (Infidelity) and Irtidad (apostasy) was issued against Dr. Tahir. The decree is written in Urdu, by a renowned Islamic scholar Mufti Mohammed Fazl-e-Rasool, from Sargodha, Pakistan. The decree was issued in April 2011, based on the speech delivered by Dr. Tahir on 02 January 2006 (during the Christmas function held at the MQI premises in Lahore).

Prior to this, in the 1990s, Dr. Tahir has been in the news for various other wayward declarations. These were ominous signs, but none as blatantly brazen like those in the past few years, beginning with the organizing of Christmas celebrations.

Another irony is that Dr. Tahir has named his organization Minhajul-Qur'an (i.e. way of the Qur'an) and the Qur'an itself is the witness against him! The organization is not the way of the Qur'an it is actually taking people away from the Qur'an. And Dr. Tahir is rejecting the injunctions of the Holy Qur'an so I (Aqib Farid Qadiri) have therefore described Dr. Tahir as Man Haajj al-Qur'an (i.e. one who refuted the Qur'an).

DR TAHIR SEATED WITH HINDU PUNDITS, SIKHS, CHRISTIANS, JEWS, BUDHISTS ETC,
DURING THE CONFERENCE IN LONDON ON 24 SEPTEMBER 2011.
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Recently, Dr. Tahir organized a convention in Wembley, London (UK) on 24 September 2011 - where he invited leaders of several religions including Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, Christians and Buddhists. His deviance has advanced to such a level that he has left no doubt about his despicable and corrupted beliefs. The following abhorrent acts were openly committed, and proudly relayed live on electronic media:-

• Dr. Tahir calling the representatives of the Hindu, Buddhist & Sikh religions as great leaders.
• Dr. Tahir saying that, the three religions of the Jews, the Christians and Islam are all the legacy of Syedna Ibrahim (peace be upon him) which is in direct contradiction of the Holy Qur'an.
• Dr. Tahir saying that, We will sing together the song of peace and love. We will take melodies from the Bible, we will take lyrics from the Taurah, and we will take rhythm from the Qur'an and we will take humility and peace from all other sacred books belonging to other religions of humanity.
• Dr. Tahir saying that, We will remember the awakening of the Buddha, and we will remember the love of Krishna and we will remember the optimism of the Sikhs.
• Dr. Tahir praying that May each religion keep its fragrance.
• The disbelievers & their leaders were personally requested by Dr. Tahir to call out to their respective gods. They then called out (prayed) loudly as follows:-
  Hindu Pundit: Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Raam Raam, Hare Raam
  Christian Priest: Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Father God.
  Buddhist Monk: Namoh Buddhay, Namoh Buddhay, Namoh Buddhay
  Hindu Monk: Om Namash-Shivaye Namaham..
  The Sikhs: Wahe Guru, Wahe Guru. Sat Sri Akaal

Since these acts are blatantly anti-Islamic and polytheistic, I am sure many more condemnations and decrees of apostasy will be issued against him. This book, however, will clearly demonstrate that Dr. Tahir had clearly left the path of Muslims, since many years.

MINHAJ MEMBERS INSIDE THE SIKH TEMPLE (GURDWARA)
Notice the Minhaj members standing respectfully and wearing caps.

THE CHARGES AGAINST DR. TAHIR & HIS FOLLOWERS​

1. Desecrating and Insulting the Holy Qur'an, by reading the corrupted Bible with it. Also exchanging the Qur'an for the Bible in a publicized function.

2. Organizing openly polytheistic functions and that too under the banner of the Holy Qur'an.

3. Giving respect to Christian bishops and priests (by calling them honorable, embracing them, etc.), whilst they were openly refuting the Holy Qur'an by wearing the cross.

4. Classifying Christians and Jews as Believers not disbelievers and trying to please the Christians.

5. Insulting the celebration of Meelad un-Nabi by equating it to Christmas.

6. Being happy with continued polytheism (disbelief).

7. Desecrating the mosques by allowing them to practice their pagan practices inside it.

8. Attending functions of other religions that are openly opposed to Islam.

9. Visiting Gurdwaras, Hindu temples and Churches while showing deep respect, and praying along-with the disbelievers.

10. Holding seminars where disbelievers (including out-right idol worshipers) were invited to sing polytheistic songs (bhajans) and invited to pray to their respective gods.

11. Desecrating the celebration of Meelad un-Nabi, by holding it inside a church.

DR. TAHIR CUTTING THE CHRISTMAS CAKE WITH PRIESTS AND OTHER CHRISTIANS.

THE CONCLUSION​

Listed below are the well-known elements that take one out of the fold as Islam:

1. Rejecting any one (or more) of the basic tenets of Islam.
2. Equating Islam to other religions.
3. Desecrating the symbols of Islam (e.g. Holy Qur'an, the name of the Holy Prophet and mosques).
4. Venerating the known symbols of disbelief (such as the Cross, the Hindu temples or idols and pagan festivals).
5. Being pleased with disbelief or acts of disbelief.
6. Going against the consensus of the Islamic Ummah.

Based on the charges, readers are requested to reflect on the faith of the perpetrators and decide if they are worthy of being called Muslims.

HOLDING MEELAD-UN-NABI CELEBRATIONS INSIDE THE CHURCH, WITH THE HUGE CROSS
PROMINENTLY FIXED ON THE WALL. ATTENDEES INCLUDE CHRISTIANS AND SIKHS.

WORDS OF ADVICE​

TO ALL THOSE WHO ARE ASSOCIATED WITH DR. TAHIR OR THE MQI / MCDF OR INCLINED TOWARDS THEM

LEAVE THE DISBELIEVERS EVEN IF THEY ARE YOUR FATHERS OR YOUR BROTHERS!

[Taubah 9:23] O People who Believe! Do not consider your fathers and your brothers as your friends if they prefer disbelief over faith; and whoever among you befriends them - then it is he who is the unjust.

THE SUPPORTERS OF THE DISBELIEVERS ARE THE DEVILS

[Baqarah 2:257] Allah is the Guardian of the Muslims - He removes them from realms of darkness towards light; and the supporters of disbelievers are the devils - they remove them from light towards the realms of darkness; it is they who are the people of fire; they will remain in it forever.

THE DEVILS WISH TO DRAG YOU INTO HELL

[Fatir 35:6-7] Indeed Satan is your enemy, therefore you too take him as an enemy; he only calls his group so that they become the people of hell! For the disbelievers is a severe punishment; and for those who accepted faith and did good deeds, is forgiveness and an immense reward.

PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE ON THE RIGHT PATH EVEN IF THEY ARE ON THE PATH OF HELL!

[Aa`raf 7:30] He has guided one group, and one groups error has been proved; instead of Allah, they have chosen the devil as their friend and they assume that they are on guidance!

[Zukhruf 43:37] And indeed those devils prevent them from the Straight Path, and they think they are on guidance!

THE DEVIL AND WHOEVER HE DUPED WILL GO TO HELL TOGETHER.

[Ibrahim 14:49] And on that day you will see the guilty linked together in chains.

[Zukhruf 43:38] To the extent that when the disbeliever will be brought to Us, he will say to his devil, Alas - if only there was the distance of east and west, between you and me! - so what an evil companion he is!

[Hashr 59:16-17] The example of the devil - when he said to man Disbelieve; so when he has rejected faith, he says, I am unconcerned with you - indeed I fear Allah, the Lord of The Creation.So the fate of them both is that they are both in the fire, to remain in it forever; and this is the proper punishment for the unjust.

DO NOT LEAVE THE ESTABLISHED RIGHT PATH.

[Aal-e-Imran 3:102] O People who Believe! Fear Allah in the manner He should rightfully be feared, and do not die except as Muslims.

[Nisa 4:115] And whoever opposes the Noble Messenger after the right path has been made clear to him, and follows a way other than that of the Muslims, We shall leave him as he is, and put him in hell; and what a wretched place to return!

REPENT & SEEK THE REFUGE OF ALLAH, THE SUPREME.

[Baqarah 2:160] Except those who repent and do reform and disclose (the truth) - so I will accept their repentance; and I only am the Most Acceptor of Repentance, the Most Merciful.

[Ana`am 6:120] And give up the open and hidden sins; those who earn sins will soon receive the punishment of their earnings.

[Hud 11:61] Andto the Thamud tribe, We sent their fellow man Saleh; he said, O my people! Worship Allah, there is no other True God except Him; He created you from the earth and established you in it, so seek forgiveness from Him and incline towards Him in repentance; indeed my Lord is Close, Acceptor of Prayer.

[Mominun 23:97] And submit, My Lord! I seek Your refuge from the instigation of the devils.

[Nasr 110:3] Then proclaim the Purity of your Lord while praising Him, and seek forgiveness from Him; indeed He is the Most Acceptor of Repentance.

To those members of MQI and MCDF, who have been supporting Dr. Tahir and his abhorrent acts, knowingly or un-knowingly: the advice is to immediately repent and leave such deviant organizations.

To all others who are not involved in these acts but have soft corner for the MQI & MCDF or their leaders: PLEASE for the sake of your own hereafter, and that of your children - stay away from such organizations and stick to the creed of the Ahle-Sunnah.

May Allah the Supreme, guide us on the Straight Path, record us among the righteous, and bestow us death only as Muslims. Aameen.

Note: All the Photographic evidences are proudly displayed on MQI websites.

MINHAJ MEMBERS CELEBRATE THE HOLI FESTIVAL INSIDE THE HINDU TEMPLE.
Notice the faces colored with red powder and the temple‟s bell near the exit.

--
Extracted from:
Hussam al-Furqan Ala Mann Haajj Al-Qur'an
Sword of the Criterion upon one who refuted the Qur'an
A Refutation of the Corrupt Beliefs of Dr. Tahir by Aqib Farid Qadiri​

 

[sadani]

Re: Dr Tahirul Qadri Reply To GHAMDI ( Fitna)

Agar hum log tasalli se islami tareekh perh len to wohi kaafi ho jaye....

is tarah ke tamam ulama hamari islami tareekh me guzrey hen...

Sufi Ulama , Zahiri Ulama , Raj'at pasand , modern , backword her tarah ke aalim e deen...

jin logo ko lagta he ke Ghamidi ya Tahir ul Qadri koi NEW IDEOLOGY paish ker rahe hen to aisa nahi he...

han ye zaroor ho sakta he ke in logo ne islami tareekh aur hamarey aslaf ke aqaid ko shai tarah se perha hi nahi....

plz consult to Islamic History and try to read about all cults , ulama , fiqh , thinkings etc and you would know that they have been present since last 1200 years,....

So , nothing ALIEN about these islamic thoughts....

 

[Sohraab]

Re: Ghamdi Idealogy vs Islamic Idealogy: Comparision

Meezan Magazine Sae Counter Check Kiya Ap Ne?

nahi

aap check karo

aur agar jhoot ho to hum sab ko bhi link de do

 

[Sohraab]

Re: Ghamdi Idealogy vs Islamic Idealogy: Comparision

Na seerat e nabi per amal aur na hi soorat e nabi aur chalain hain deen ka dars denay.

Dor e hazar ka one of the biggest fitnah is Ghamidi mulhid. May Allah save all muslims from this fitnah. Is khabees ko opper lanay wala wohi tha jis ne lal masjid ko attack keraya aur kafiroon k kehnay per pakistan aur afghanistan kay musalmanoon ko qatal keraya thru military operations.

woh Pakistan ke tamaan khabeeson aur fitnon ka supreme leader jo tha

 

[anees1980]

Re: Dr Tahirul Qadri Reply To GHAMDI ( Fitna)


Non of the above proves that The Ahadees regarding Imam MAhdi are not correct and they are indeed descrided in Sahih Ahadis, and there are numerous Ahadis as oppose to a lie described by Mr. Ghamdi.