Javed Ahmad Ghamdi Threads - Collection
_pakistan
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi
Bhai aap jo keh rahay hain,is kay baray main kisi Moatbar Mufti ka koi fatwa hay ???
Bhai aap jo keh rahay hain,is kay baray main kisi Moatbar Mufti ka koi fatwa hay ???
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi
Ghamdi wo Alim hay jo logon k naf per anguta rakh kar baat karta hay, jaysay Yahodi apna maqsad hasil karnay k liyee Haftay k rooz machlion ko band bhand daytay aur Allah k Hokam ko haqir bana daytay tehy. Leyhaza iss ki baten suno aur jo achi hon apna lo aur jo Yahodion ki misal hon choor doo.
Ghamdi wo Alim hay jo logon k naf per anguta rakh kar baat karta hay, jaysay Yahodi apna maqsad hasil karnay k liyee Haftay k rooz machlion ko band bhand daytay aur Allah k Hokam ko haqir bana daytay tehy. Leyhaza iss ki baten suno aur jo achi hon apna lo aur jo Yahodion ki misal hon choor doo.
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi
main ney relate nahi kiya dono sirf ye bataya hai pakistani musalmano k khelaf kahan kahan se sazisho k taney baney buney ja rahay hain.
main ney relate nahi kiya dono sirf ye bataya hai pakistani musalmano k khelaf kahan kahan se sazisho k taney baney buney ja rahay hain.
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indigo
Siasat.pk - Blogger
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi
Muslmano k hilaf sazish or Ghamidi sahib?
Aap yeh sabit kr k dikhao k yeh Muslmano k hilaf sazsh hai? mere nazdeeq yeh ek person ka Point of View se ziyada kuch nahi...
Muslmano k hilaf sazish or Ghamidi sahib?
Aap yeh sabit kr k dikhao k yeh Muslmano k hilaf sazsh hai? mere nazdeeq yeh ek person ka Point of View se ziyada kuch nahi...
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi
ek banda TV pe akar apney GUMRAH KUN khayalat phela raha hai aur aap keh rahay ho ek bandey k perasonal khayalat hain.
1. Any form of Had (Prescribed Punishment),
2. Hadith to be direct
3. Nazool Eesa Alahi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis)
4. Had for an Apostate (Murtad)
5. Claims the 7 recitations of quran to be wrong (he is a close ally and aide of Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer)
6. Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible
7. Jihad against oppression is the only jihad allowed
8. The Shahadat of a man and woman are equal
9. There is no concept of Purdah (Hijab / Veil) in Islam,
ye baatein TV pe akar khullam khulla karna musalmano k khelaaf SAZISH nahi tu aur kia hai?
GEO pe GHAMDI program kay PROMO hi main ALLAH ki mojodgi pe sawalat (NAUZUBILLAH) uthay gai thay agar aap ko yaad ho tu.
ek banda TV pe akar apney GUMRAH KUN khayalat phela raha hai aur aap keh rahay ho ek bandey k perasonal khayalat hain.
1. Any form of Had (Prescribed Punishment),
2. Hadith to be direct
3. Nazool Eesa Alahi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis)
4. Had for an Apostate (Murtad)
5. Claims the 7 recitations of quran to be wrong (he is a close ally and aide of Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer)
6. Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible
7. Jihad against oppression is the only jihad allowed
8. The Shahadat of a man and woman are equal
9. There is no concept of Purdah (Hijab / Veil) in Islam,
ye baatein TV pe akar khullam khulla karna musalmano k khelaaf SAZISH nahi tu aur kia hai?
GEO pe GHAMDI program kay PROMO hi main ALLAH ki mojodgi pe sawalat (NAUZUBILLAH) uthay gai thay agar aap ko yaad ho tu.
indigo
Siasat.pk - Blogger
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi
Copy paste krna hai to rehnae do, kiya sirf Ghamidi sahib tv pe atae hai? Kai channels Peace TV QTV Madni ch, or is tarha k senkro channels hai waha par bhi ulma aatae hai, ta aap ko yeh Pakistani Muslmano k hilaf sazish nahi nazar aati? Agar aap k paas koi argument hai to do..
Bhai jaan Is dunya me woh bhi loog hai jinka Huda par yakeen nahi hai... Un logo ko dawat pohnchana bhi hamara kaam hai, agar aap unkae sawalo k jawaab nahi do ge to unhae dawat kese pohanchae gi?
Agar Ghamidi sahib ki daleel darust nahi hogi to loog unhae nahi dekhae ge... Or Ghamidi sahib ne kab kaha hai k Huda nahi hai... Woh to usae sabit kr dete hai...
Copy paste krna hai to rehnae do, kiya sirf Ghamidi sahib tv pe atae hai? Kai channels Peace TV QTV Madni ch, or is tarha k senkro channels hai waha par bhi ulma aatae hai, ta aap ko yeh Pakistani Muslmano k hilaf sazish nahi nazar aati? Agar aap k paas koi argument hai to do..
Bhai jaan Is dunya me woh bhi loog hai jinka Huda par yakeen nahi hai... Un logo ko dawat pohnchana bhi hamara kaam hai, agar aap unkae sawalo k jawaab nahi do ge to unhae dawat kese pohanchae gi?
Agar Ghamidi sahib ki daleel darust nahi hogi to loog unhae nahi dekhae ge... Or Ghamidi sahib ne kab kaha hai k Huda nahi hai... Woh to usae sabit kr dete hai...
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi
Aap keh rahay ho " Agar aap k paas koi argument hai to do.." AJEEB bandey ho itni sari batain bata di Ghamdi ki jo
ISLAM k kehlaaf hain aur aap keh rahay ho k koi argument tu do.Aur jahan tak doosray channels ki baat hai tu main sab ko nahi sunta .kia aap isey bandey ko musalman kaho gay jo asal ISLAM ko change kar k GUMRAH kUN khayalat phelay?sorry aik dafa phir copy paste kar raha hoon "GHOOR" se parho Ghamdi FITNEY k khayalat :
1. Any form of Had (Prescribed Punishment),
2. Hadith to be direct
3. Nazool Eesa Alahi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis)
4. Had for an Apostate (Murtad)
5. Claims the 7 recitations of quran to be wrong (he is a close ally and aide of Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer)
6. Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible
7. Jihad against oppression is the only jihad allowed
8. The Shahadat of a man and woman are equal
9. There is no concept of Purdah (Hijab / Veil) in Islam
Aap keh rahay ho " Agar aap k paas koi argument hai to do.." AJEEB bandey ho itni sari batain bata di Ghamdi ki jo
ISLAM k kehlaaf hain aur aap keh rahay ho k koi argument tu do.Aur jahan tak doosray channels ki baat hai tu main sab ko nahi sunta .kia aap isey bandey ko musalman kaho gay jo asal ISLAM ko change kar k GUMRAH kUN khayalat phelay?sorry aik dafa phir copy paste kar raha hoon "GHOOR" se parho Ghamdi FITNEY k khayalat :
1. Any form of Had (Prescribed Punishment),
2. Hadith to be direct
3. Nazool Eesa Alahi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis)
4. Had for an Apostate (Murtad)
5. Claims the 7 recitations of quran to be wrong (he is a close ally and aide of Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer)
6. Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible
7. Jihad against oppression is the only jihad allowed
8. The Shahadat of a man and woman are equal
9. There is no concept of Purdah (Hijab / Veil) in Islam
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indigo
Siasat.pk - Blogger
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi
Bhai agar yeh copy paste tumhari argument hai to tum se baat nahi ho sakti, Adhi se ziyada yeh argument galat or missinformed.. e.g. he does not reject had, he does not reject hadith, (music and dancing of all kind is permissible) he never said that ,
Jihad against oppression is only Jihad its incorrect statement)
_pakistan
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi
Bhai ager ulma deoband ko koi atraz nahin hay ,tou aap ko kia aetraz hay ?? sirf SSp walay molvion ko ,aur jo molvi aslay kay zor per islam dusron per dhonsna chahtay hain ,sirf unko aetraz hay.
Aur aap kesay keh saktay hain,kay jis islam ,ya molvion ko aap follow kartay hain,wo sahi islam hay.
Ager aap ko Ghamdi sahib ki kisi baat per aitraz hay ,tou daleel say baat karain. Nakay sirf molvion ki batain sun kar kisi per fatwa laga do.
Bhai ager ulma deoband ko koi atraz nahin hay ,tou aap ko kia aetraz hay ?? sirf SSp walay molvion ko ,aur jo molvi aslay kay zor per islam dusron per dhonsna chahtay hain ,sirf unko aetraz hay.
Aur aap kesay keh saktay hain,kay jis islam ,ya molvion ko aap follow kartay hain,wo sahi islam hay.
Ager aap ko Ghamdi sahib ki kisi baat per aitraz hay ,tou daleel say baat karain. Nakay sirf molvion ki batain sun kar kisi per fatwa laga do.
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Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi
is ney ye saari batein ki hain :
1. Any form of Had (Prescribed Punishment),
2. Hadith to be direct
3. Nazool Eesa Alahi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis)
4. Had for an Apostate (Murtad)
5. Claims the 7 recitations of quran to be wrong (he is a close ally and aide of Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer)
6. Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible
7. Jihad against oppression is the only jihad allowed
8. The Shahadat of a man and woman are equal
9. There is no concept of Purdah (Hijab / Veil) in Islam
phelay ja kar tehkeek karo thoori bhot phir akar bolna,is k programs dekho tu pata chaley ga he is FITNA like QADIYANIS
is ney ye saari batein ki hain :
1. Any form of Had (Prescribed Punishment),
2. Hadith to be direct
3. Nazool Eesa Alahi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis)
4. Had for an Apostate (Murtad)
5. Claims the 7 recitations of quran to be wrong (he is a close ally and aide of Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer)
6. Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible
7. Jihad against oppression is the only jihad allowed
8. The Shahadat of a man and woman are equal
9. There is no concept of Purdah (Hijab / Veil) in Islam
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi
is ko ULEMA deband FITNA kehtay hain. aur aap ko daleel chaiye tu is ki videos youtube pe hain jar kar dekh lo is ney ye saari batein kahi hain :
1. Any form of Had (Prescribed Punishment),
2. Hadith to be direct
3. Nazool Eesa Alahi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis)
4. Had for an Apostate (Murtad)
5. Claims the 7 recitations of quran to be wrong (he is a close ally and aide of Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer)
6. Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible
7. Jihad against oppression is the only jihad allowed
8. The Shahadat of a man and woman are equal
9. There is no concept of Purdah (Hijab / Veil) in Islam
he is FITNA like QADIYANIS,Mr. Ghamidi has special interest in Asma Jahangir and Qadinyanis much of whose ideology is reflected in his articles.
Ghamidi's books are Bayan, Mizan and Burhan, the last one being a mockery of Islam, Prophets, Companions, Imams, Muhaditheen and Mufasereens. They are seldomly available in Pakistan but are available at Danish Sara which are regional centers for Ghamidi's Operations.
Ghamdi does not claim to refute the status of Hadith directly yet he takes it a stage further ahead and categorizes hadith as something from which Ahkaam (Rulings) cannot be drawn and only Quran is the orignal source. He goest on to say that some Ahadith have been misinterpreted by ALL (yes ALL) the Imams, Mufasirs, Muhaditheen, Fuqah, Ulemas etc. To quote an example is his refutation of the Hadith that says (it is a Mafhoom) Whosoever Changes His Faith, Kill Him.
According to Ghamidi the ruling on Qital (Killing a Person) when he becomes a Murtad (Apostate) doesnot apply to present times. It was restricted to the time of Holy Prophet Salal Lahu Aalahi Wassalam and after that it had become Mauqoof. (Burhan, by Ghamidi). Ghamidi says that this Hadith has been misinterpreted by all the Ulemas for 1200 years wherein the meaining of Umoom (Generality) has been taken at large. Therefore he concludes that a person cannot be executed if he decides to change his religion from Islam because there is no evidence of it in Quran and Sunnah.
Ghamidi and his disciples also use the word Quran and Sunnah and separate Hadith from Sunnah.
He calls them the Shabistan Shibli of Knowledge and hails them as the reformists of this time. He has castigated Maulana Rashid Ahmed Gangohi (RA), Qasim Nanatwi (RA), Shaykh ul Hind, Syed Hussain Ahmed Madani, Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Allama Shabbir Ahmed Uthmani and calls them Bigots. According to Ghamidi this group of people (Deobandis) are like an old building with rotten foundations that will become empty by itself through passage of time.
Ghamadi enjoys special company with Robert Spencer and Danielt Pipes. What is interesting is that Ghamdi and his associates particularly Moiz Amjad have tried to defend Islam against the criticism of Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer and have miserably (deliberately) failed! In fact they have subscribed to the views of these two critics with special reference to the 7 Recitations of Quran, which according to Ghamdi and his teachers are practices of Juhul and have no place in Islam.
May Allah Save Us All From This Fitna .AMEEN
is ko ULEMA deband FITNA kehtay hain. aur aap ko daleel chaiye tu is ki videos youtube pe hain jar kar dekh lo is ney ye saari batein kahi hain :
1. Any form of Had (Prescribed Punishment),
2. Hadith to be direct
3. Nazool Eesa Alahi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis)
4. Had for an Apostate (Murtad)
5. Claims the 7 recitations of quran to be wrong (he is a close ally and aide of Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer)
6. Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible
7. Jihad against oppression is the only jihad allowed
8. The Shahadat of a man and woman are equal
9. There is no concept of Purdah (Hijab / Veil) in Islam
he is FITNA like QADIYANIS,Mr. Ghamidi has special interest in Asma Jahangir and Qadinyanis much of whose ideology is reflected in his articles.
Ghamidi's books are Bayan, Mizan and Burhan, the last one being a mockery of Islam, Prophets, Companions, Imams, Muhaditheen and Mufasereens. They are seldomly available in Pakistan but are available at Danish Sara which are regional centers for Ghamidi's Operations.
Ghamdi does not claim to refute the status of Hadith directly yet he takes it a stage further ahead and categorizes hadith as something from which Ahkaam (Rulings) cannot be drawn and only Quran is the orignal source. He goest on to say that some Ahadith have been misinterpreted by ALL (yes ALL) the Imams, Mufasirs, Muhaditheen, Fuqah, Ulemas etc. To quote an example is his refutation of the Hadith that says (it is a Mafhoom) Whosoever Changes His Faith, Kill Him.
According to Ghamidi the ruling on Qital (Killing a Person) when he becomes a Murtad (Apostate) doesnot apply to present times. It was restricted to the time of Holy Prophet Salal Lahu Aalahi Wassalam and after that it had become Mauqoof. (Burhan, by Ghamidi). Ghamidi says that this Hadith has been misinterpreted by all the Ulemas for 1200 years wherein the meaining of Umoom (Generality) has been taken at large. Therefore he concludes that a person cannot be executed if he decides to change his religion from Islam because there is no evidence of it in Quran and Sunnah.
Ghamidi and his disciples also use the word Quran and Sunnah and separate Hadith from Sunnah.
He calls them the Shabistan Shibli of Knowledge and hails them as the reformists of this time. He has castigated Maulana Rashid Ahmed Gangohi (RA), Qasim Nanatwi (RA), Shaykh ul Hind, Syed Hussain Ahmed Madani, Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Allama Shabbir Ahmed Uthmani and calls them Bigots. According to Ghamidi this group of people (Deobandis) are like an old building with rotten foundations that will become empty by itself through passage of time.
Ghamadi enjoys special company with Robert Spencer and Danielt Pipes. What is interesting is that Ghamdi and his associates particularly Moiz Amjad have tried to defend Islam against the criticism of Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer and have miserably (deliberately) failed! In fact they have subscribed to the views of these two critics with special reference to the 7 Recitations of Quran, which according to Ghamdi and his teachers are practices of Juhul and have no place in Islam.
May Allah Save Us All From This Fitna .AMEEN
_pakistan
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi
bhai pata nahin kosay Ulma deoband ki baat ker rhey ho, Jamia banoria Karachi Ulma deoband ka bohat bara madrass hay, unkay Mufti Naeem ko tou un per koi aitraaz nahin.
wesay aap ney jin ulma deobnad kay naam likhay hain,unmain Moulna asraf ali thanvi sahib ney Fatwa dia tha key loud speaker per Azan dena Mana hay.
Aur ab saray deobandi Masajid main loud speaker main hi azan detay hain.
bhai pata nahin kosay Ulma deoband ki baat ker rhey ho, Jamia banoria Karachi Ulma deoband ka bohat bara madrass hay, unkay Mufti Naeem ko tou un per koi aitraaz nahin.
wesay aap ney jin ulma deobnad kay naam likhay hain,unmain Moulna asraf ali thanvi sahib ney Fatwa dia tha key loud speaker per Azan dena Mana hay.
Aur ab saray deobandi Masajid main loud speaker main hi azan detay hain.
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi
I am glad if i point out a lier but i dont do it without reasoning......
Do you reason him when he makes controversial statements on Hijab, Jihad, on Hazrat Issa A.H., Imam Mahdi R.A. ....
I am glad if i point out a lier but i dont do it without reasoning......
Do you reason him when he makes controversial statements on Hijab, Jihad, on Hazrat Issa A.H., Imam Mahdi R.A. ....
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Benito
Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi
[video=google;1899759779955024054]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1899759779955024054&hl=en[/video]
http://www.insaf.pk/Media/Videos/ta...Qadri-with-Dr-Arif-Alvi-February-20-2009.aspx
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http://www.insaf.pk/Media/Videos/ta...Qadri-with-Dr-Arif-Alvi-February-20-2009.aspx
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indigo
Siasat.pk - Blogger
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi
Watch this:
[FLV]http://www.meezan.tv/uploads/XhT5woMvIPTybDnoSLwY.flv[/FLV]
Watch this:
[FLV]http://www.meezan.tv/uploads/XhT5woMvIPTybDnoSLwY.flv[/FLV]
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi
1) Ghamdi fitna rejects Nazool Eesa Alahi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis) ,kia MUFTI NAEEM bhi yahi kehtay hain?ab un pe bhi ye jhoota ilzaam nahi laga dena.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX-jxZaI7qY&feature=related
2)Ghamdi FITNA kehta hai k achi mousiki jaiz hai ,kia muftinaem bhi yeh kehtay hain?kia Hazrat Moahammad pbuh ki sunnat hai music?(nauzubillah)
3)Ghamdi FITNA kehta hai awrat mardo ki namaz main imam ban sakti hai kia Mufti Naeem bhi yeh kehtay hain?kia Hazrat Mohammadpbuh ney isa apni zindagi main kiya?
4)GHAMDI FITNA kehta hai k Hazrat Mohammadpbuh ki rehlat k baadkisi ko KAFIR nahi kehna chaiye(nauzubillah),matlab k ye qadiyanoi aur baki tamam ghair muslim ko bhi musalman hi kehelwana chata hai.kia Mufti naeem bhi ye kehtay hain??
aur bhot si misaal(jo main opper post main dey chuka hon) hain jis se sabit hota hai GHAMDI QADIAYNOI ki tarah hi aik FITNA hai. aur tum bhi shayd is hi k perokar ho tu is hi ki HIMAYAT karo gay.
aap ney ulmae deband ka zikar kiya tha is liye main ney ulema deband ka naam liya.Ab main proof deta hoon k GHAMDI FITNA hai QADIYANI ki tarah.
1) Ghamdi fitna rejects Nazool Eesa Alahi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis) ,kia MUFTI NAEEM bhi yahi kehtay hain?ab un pe bhi ye jhoota ilzaam nahi laga dena.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX-jxZaI7qY&feature=related
2)Ghamdi FITNA kehta hai k achi mousiki jaiz hai ,kia muftinaem bhi yeh kehtay hain?kia Hazrat Moahammad pbuh ki sunnat hai music?(nauzubillah)
3)Ghamdi FITNA kehta hai awrat mardo ki namaz main imam ban sakti hai kia Mufti Naeem bhi yeh kehtay hain?kia Hazrat Mohammadpbuh ney isa apni zindagi main kiya?
4)GHAMDI FITNA kehta hai k Hazrat Mohammadpbuh ki rehlat k baadkisi ko KAFIR nahi kehna chaiye(nauzubillah),matlab k ye qadiyanoi aur baki tamam ghair muslim ko bhi musalman hi kehelwana chata hai.kia Mufti naeem bhi ye kehtay hain??
aur bhot si misaal(jo main opper post main dey chuka hon) hain jis se sabit hota hai GHAMDI QADIAYNOI ki tarah hi aik FITNA hai. aur tum bhi shayd is hi k perokar ho tu is hi ki HIMAYAT karo gay.
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