Javed Ahmad Ghamdi Threads - Collection

_pakistan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi

in videos main Mufti sahib nay kia kaha hay key ghamdi fitna hay???end main kia kaha hay ,wo main nay Post ker di hay.



Poori video nahi daali tum ney thoora se hissa cut kar k daal diya poori video ye hai jis main MUFTI NAEEM ney GHAMDI FITNAY Se khol kar har baat pe ikhtelaaf kiya hai.Is k 2 parts hain aur dono main kisi baat pe bhi MUFTI NAEEM ney ghamdi FITNAY se itefaak nahi kiya balkey ikhtelaaf kiya hai.

PROOF: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxmmh16_8Ws



video 2 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iKturyjURw
 

ricky12

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi

in videos main Mufti sahib nay kia kaha hay key ghamdi fitna hay???end main kia kaha hay ,wo main nay Post ker di hay.




MUFTI NAEEM ko ye saari batein bhi tu batao ja kar:

GHAMDI rejects

1. Any form of Had (Prescribed Punishment),
2. Hadith to be direct
3. Nazool Eesa Alahi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis)
4. Had for an Apostate (Murtad)
5. Claims the 7 recitations of quran to be wrong (he is a close ally and aide of Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer)
6. Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible
7. Jihad against oppression is the only jihad allowed
8. The Shahadat of a man and woman are equal
9. There is no concept of Purdah (Hijab / Veil) in Islam
10.There is no IMAM MEHDI alehey salam(Nauzubillah)

ye sari battein batao phir poocho un se.kion k wo in sari baton se ikhtelaaf kartey hain,aur in main bhot si batein hain jis se EMAAN zayaa ho jata hai.Mufti Naeem ko GHAMDI FITNEY ki ye saari batein nahi pata hoon gi jesay doosrey musalmano ko bhi nahi pata .is program main sirf madarsey ki taleem pe baat hoi hai aur is k ilawa aur kuch baat nahi hoi ,agar un ko opper di hoi GHAMDI ki sari batein pata chal jai tu wo is ko FITNA hi kahaey gay.
 
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_pakistan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi

Bhai ab sirf apnay arguments ko sahi sabat kernay kay liye Mufti sahib per Kam ilmi ka Ilzam tou na lagao,kay Mufti sahib ko ghamdi sahib kay baray main kuch bhi nahi pata,Aur Banoria nay apni website per esay admi ki Video add ki hui hain,jis ko aap fitna samjtay hain.

Ager Aap ki baat man bhi li jaey kay Mufti sahib ko ghamdi sahib kay baray main Nahin pata ho ga,Tou aap is Baat say andaza laga lain kay wo madraso mai kia parah rahay hoon gay ,aur un ko Dunya ki kitni khabar hay??

MUFTI NAEEM ko ye saari batein bhi tu batao ja kar:

GHAMDI rejects

1. Any form of Had (Prescribed Punishment),
2. Hadith to be direct
3. Nazool Eesa Alahi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis)
4. Had for an Apostate (Murtad)
5. Claims the 7 recitations of quran to be wrong (he is a close ally and aide of Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer)
6. Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible
7. Jihad against oppression is the only jihad allowed
8. The Shahadat of a man and woman are equal
9. There is no concept of Purdah (Hijab / Veil) in Islam
10.There is no IMAM MEHDI alehey salam(Nauzubillah)

ye sari battein batao phir poocho un se.kion k wo in sari baton se ikhtelaaf kartey hain,aur in main bhot si batein hain jis se EMAAN zayaa ho jata hai.Mufti Naeem ko GHAMDI FITNEY ki ye saari batein nahi pata hoon gi jesay doosrey musalmano ko bhi nahi pata .is program main sirf madarsey ki taleem pe baat hoi hai aur is k ilawa aur kuch baat nahi hoi ,agar un ko opper di hoi GHAMDI ki sari batein pata chal jai tu wo is ko FITNA hi kahaey gay.
 

ricky12

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi

Main ney saboot diya hain sirf argument nahi ki.video saboot diye hain LOW IQ LEVEL waley insaan.itnay tu saboot diye GHAMDI FITNEY K,kia aur saboot chaiye tu batao?
 

ricky12

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi

ye lo proof:
fitnaeghamdiabykhanqahs.jpg



fitnaeghamdiabykhanqahs.jpg
 
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ricky12

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi

is se bara kia saboot ho ga k GHAMDI FITNA kehta hai SOOD (riba) dena jaiz hai.














ye lo dobara video daal di hai AANKHAIN KHOL kar dekho ye FITNA SOOD(riba) denay ko jaiz karar dey raha hai.is bara kia saboot do? TOOBA karlo ALLAH k bandey aur sachay MUSALMAN ban jao.
 
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hammad78

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi

@Ricky12: Though I am not deobandi but I agree with you that Ghamidi is one of the big fitnas of the current time, Yeh Liberal molvi andar se poora qadiani hai.Qadianio ki tarah hadess ko jhut lata hai.Allah is khabees ko hidayat day aur is ki andhee taqleed karnay walon ko bhi.
 

realityhurts

Councller (250+ posts)
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi

This message has been deleted by simple_and_peacefull.

Reasonpro & anti qadiani discussion is not allow on this forum
my posts are been deleted for the said reason .............................how Ironic it is ..... when fitna Jawaid ghamdi is allowed but if we try to expose them , then we are not..........actually the so called moderator here are badmash ... they can do any thing.

Simple and peacfull......hmmmmmmmm
(hmm)(hmm)

hatred for all love for non .......................... I thing I got it
 
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Technocrat

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi

I'm not a follower of Ghamdi, but do relate to some of his work in some situations because they are accurate cultural and social interpretations with regards to Islam. Again, I look at Ghamdi not as an Islamic Scholar, but a Islamic Societies and Culture Scholar.

However, since these are your points, would be grateful if you can provide the links/videos for the same.

phelay ja kar tehkeek karo thoori bhot phir akar bolna,is k programs dekho tu pata chaley ga he is FITNA like QADIYANIS
is ney ye saari batein ki hain :

1. Any form of Had (Prescribed Punishment),
2. Hadith to be direct
3. Nazool Eesa Alahi Salam and his Life (like Qadiyanis)
4. Had for an Apostate (Murtad)
5. Claims the 7 recitations of quran to be wrong (he is a close ally and aide of Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer)
6. Music and Dancing of all sorts is permissible
7. Jihad against oppression is the only jihad allowed
8. The Shahadat of a man and woman are equal
9. There is no concept of Purdah (Hijab / Veil) in Islam
 

ricky12

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi

I'm not a follower of Ghamdi, but do relate to some of his work in some situations because they are accurate cultural and social interpretations with regards to Islam. Again, I look at Ghamdi not as an Islamic Scholar, but a Islamic Societies and Culture Scholar.

However, since these are your points, would be grateful if you can provide the links/videos for the same.
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:@ tehcnocrat meri is hi thread pe phechli posts dekho tu tumain nazar ajai ga k youtube k video link embedded hain jo main ney saboot k toor pe diye hain .poori thread GHOOR se dekho main videos bhi di hai,jis main GHAMDI FITNEY ney kaha hai IMAM MEHHDI alehey salam ka koi wajood nahi (Nauzubillah) ,ESSA alehey salam ki death ho chuki hai(Nauzubillah),sood dena jaiz hai etc ye saari videos main ney di hain page 1, 2 ,3 pe.
 

6sman

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi

O YOU who have attained to faith! Be ever steadfast in your devotion to God, bearing witness to the truth in all equity; and never let hatred of anyone lead you into the sin of deviating from justice. Be just: this is closest to being God-conscious. And remain conscious of God: verily, God is aware of all that you do [al-Qur'an 5:8].

Salam, it is un-fortunate and disappointing to see Muslims of all people adopting such behavior towards goodness when it arrives. The issue is not who is speaking but what is he saying. If Satan, for example, comes to a sahabi and tells him to recite ayat al-kursi and the Prophet happens approves it, will you still, then, abstain hereof? If so then you are among those in lose. So also, even if you regard janab Ghamidi some fitnah or something it is binding upon you to trace it back to the Q&S and judge in light thereof or else if his opinion conforms them and we were to neglect it altogether then we - not he - are putting ourselves to trial. Regard the Qur'anic ayah above and try doing justice to the topic, the issue raised is a very delicate one in our times where people - from literally out of no where - come up with tales full of fantasy and thump it straight unto religion meanwhile attributing all sorts of falsehood to the holy Prophet causing mass confusion betwixt Muslims and hampering Islamic da'wah efforts. When the Prophet says "let such a person who attributes lies to me take his seat in hell-fire" it becomes a primary duty to guard ourselves and others from getting even close to making such a mistake and as far as I can read, sir Ghamidi did just that.
 
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Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi

phelay ja kar is k sarey program dekho phir akar bolna main jhoot bol raha hoon ya sach. Ghamdi
bhi FITNA hai Tahir ul qadri aur Zaid hamid ki tarah ,ye teeno Islam main thori thori changes lai hain aur in k followers ko pata bhi nahi chala.Tahir ul qadri ko chrismiss mananey ka shouk hai aur Music se bhi lagao hai ,Zaid hamid sahab har cheez main NOOR lay atey hain aur kehtay hain Pakistan NOOR se bana hai (NAUZUBILLAH),aur kabhi kehtay hain Hazrat Mohammad pbuh ki rooh doosrey bandey main asakti hain (NAUZUBILLAH).

ye teeno thori thori achi batein bhi kartey hain ta kay loog un ki taraf ai ,phir ye halkay halkey is tarah Islam ki kuch cheezo ko change kartey hain k bandey ka sara EMAAN zaya ho jai.
ALLAH hum sab ko tamam FITNO se mehfooz farmai aur apney tamam ahkamaat Sunnat nabwi pbuh k mutabik karney ki toufeek ata farmai. AMEEN

pehle aap ko yeh maloom karna chahiye ke haq aur baatil ka mayaar kia hai us ke baad pata chale ga haq aur baatil main tameez karne ka. agar aap ko haqo baatil ka mayaar maloom hai to ham ko bhi mustafeez farmaayen nwaazish ho gi.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi

This clip has nothing wrong in it. J A Ghamdi sb often speak truth.
The major error in him is he deny islam as deen(system). Instead he says it is just for self to adopt.

He does have his own approach but he does not deny islam is a deen. His approach does confuse the issue a bit but I hope he realises it and emphasise the deeni aspect of islam more than he usually does.
 

ricky12

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi

pehle aap ko yeh maloom karna chahiye ke haq aur baatil ka mayaar kia hai us ke baad pata chale ga haq aur baatil main tameez karne ka. agar aap ko haqo baatil ka mayaar maloom hai to ham ko bhi mustafeez farmaayen nwaazish ho gi.

Ab haq aur batil ka mayaar GHAMDI jesa FITNA batai ga?,jo kehta hai SOOD(RIBA) dena halal hai. KUCH TU KHUDA KA KHUAF KARO ,KIYAMAT MAIN ALLAH KO BHI JAWAB DENA HAI.


see the proof :






He is FITNA.
 
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indigo

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi

pheli baath ai GHAMDI FITNAY ki darhi hai aur wo thori barha letah ai aur kabhi kaat leta hai.doosri baat video dekho us main GHAMDI FITNA keh raha hai darhi koi deeni cheez nahi,wah kia nai nai cheezein GHAMDI FITNA ney EJAAD ki hain.

Bhai sahib aap apnae fatwae apnae paas rakhae, Ghamidi sahib ki skin k saath masla hai, jis ki wajha se un keh chrahae par baal nahi ate, kuch jagho se bilkul kam aatae hai or kuchjagha se bohat ziyada atae hai, aap ko sharam aani chahiyae...

Bhai dari tou in logon ki bhi hay ,kia ye sunat ki pervi kartay hain`??
 

ricky12

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi

Bhai sahib aap apnae fatwae apnae paas rakhae, Ghamidi sahib ki skin k saath masla hai, jis ki wajha se un keh chrahae par baal nahi ate, kuch jagho se bilkul kam aatae hai or kuchjagha se bohat ziyada atae hai, aap ko sharam aani chahiyae...

Darhi chooti ho ya bari us se koi fark nahi parta kion k GHAMDI FITNA hai ,wo keta hai k SOOD(riba) dena halal hai.
ALLAH KA KUCH TU KHOUF KARO SHARAM KARO KUCH KIAYAMT MAIN ALLAH KO KIA JAWAB DO GAY.


PROOF :
 
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indigo

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi

Darhi chooti ho ya bari us se koi fark nahi parta kion k GHAMDI FITNA kehta hai k SOOD(riba) dena halal hai.


bhai jaan yeh jo aap apnae proof de rahae ho zara hosh kro yeh proof yeh baat sabit krrahae hai kh yh baat Ghamidi ki hai, aap k Proof yeh sabit nahi kr rahae k unh ki baat darust nahi hai


The word “interest” refers to the fixed increase demanded over and above a sum of loan. At first sight, there does not seem to be any difference between it and rent. However, a deep deliberation reveals the stark difference between the two: rented out items can be used while keeping them intact; however, money cannot be used in this way; it is in fact used up and after expending it, it is needed to be produced again. Therefore, if something in addition is demanded over it, this in fact becomes an oppression. Since this difference between interest and rent is subtle, and human intellect can falter in understanding this difference, the Almighty has delineated the truth in this matter: In the sharī‘ah he has given mankind through his prophets, He has informed them that demanding a fixed increase over the lent amount is unjust and hence not allowed. It is for this very reason that interest has remained prohibited at all times and in all the sharī‘ahs revealed by the Almighty. The Qur’ān has explicitly forbidden it. There is no difference of opinion in this matter.

However, the religious legality of the system of banking which prevails in our societies has recently come under discussion. It is contended that since the bank only receives a portion from the profit of a commercial venture it had financed on the basis of a loan hence the very reason for which interest was regarded as prohibited does not exist in the banking system. This view has been put forth by some scholars of Egypt and Syria. Mawlānā Wahīd al-Dīn Khān (b. 1926 AD), a celebrated scholar and preacher from India too, has corroborated it to some extent in his book Fikr Islāmī. In my opinion, this view of the scholars can be considered intellectually convincing; however, it is essential for this that the following remedial measures be introduced in the banking system.

Firstly, if a commercial venture financed by a bank loan runs into losses or needs to be discontinued for some reason, the demand for profit by the bank should cease that very day. It should only demand the principal amount.

Secondly, if things are being sold on installments, then until these installments are complete, the bank should remain a partner in the ownership of the sold item, fulfill the rights of ownership and receive rent on it.

Thirdly, in a loan given for non-commercial purposes except for inflationary adjustments, no interest should be demanded on it.

An important issue relates to paying interest on loans acquired for personal and commercial needs. In other words, there are people who do not devour interest but are forced to pay it on such loans. It is generally thought that paying interest too is prohibited in the same manner as consuming interest is.

Our scholars also hold this view. In reality, there is no basis of this opinion in the Qur’ān and Hadīth. Not at one place has the Qur’ān condemned people who pay interest; it has, in fact, regarded them to be the oppressed; it has also urged the lenders to give respite to such borrowers if they are facing some financial constraint. No doubt, in a narrative, those who make others devour interest are also regarded to be equal criminals;* however, people have failed to understand the real meaning of this narrative. It refers to people who are the agents of professional lenders and in this capacity hunt for potential customers for their masters. As such, they are guilty of co-operating with them in this sin. In other words, this narrative does not relate to people who borrow on interest.

*See, for example: Muslim, No: 1598.
 

simple_and_peacefull

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Referring incorrect phrase or statement (Hadees) with Prophet (saw) - Javed Ghamidi

This message has been deleted by simple_and_peacefull.

Reasonpro & anti qadiani discussion is not allow on this forum
my posts are been deleted for the said reason .............................how Ironic it is ..... when fitna Jawaid ghamdi is allowed but if we try to expose them , then we are not..........actually the so called moderator here are badmash ... they can do any thing.

Simple and peacfull......hmmmmmmmm
(hmm)(hmm)

hatred for all love for non .......................... I thing I got it

pro & anti qadiani discussion is not allow on this forum... this is one of rule of this site. rest its upto you what ever you think. only ALLAH SWT know whats in our hearts. do you know what is in my heart? do you...