Capital Talk - 31st July 2012 - Dr Abdul Qadir Khan, Agha Waqar Ahmed & Dr. Atta ur Rehman - Agha w

RanaMana

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Capital Talk - 31st July 2012 - Engr. Dr Abdul Qadir Khan, Agha Waqar Ahmed & Dr. Atta ur Rehman - Agha waqar National Hero or Fraud??

dont use such a words for Dr. AQ
 
Normal cars take 10 times more for a battery charge, my car havent charged even more thn this
Dr. Ata Ur Rehman sahib , you are totally out of touch, he is not claiming or using Fuel cell. He is using Hydrogen for combustion.

Although I doubt the claims of Mr. Waqar but the bottom line is : if he is able to run the car for around 100km on a single charge of the battery without patrol or cng then its a great achievement.
 

sababer9

Citizen
kia yar sab ***** he hogaye ho... cant say anything after real inspection.
but for the time being, be a pakistani also, not just a lakeer ka fakeer
agar kisi banday ne koi cheez nikaal he li hai to usko appreciate to kar do.
 

sababer9

Citizen
Re: Capital Talk - 31st July 2012 - Engr. Dr Abdul Qadir Khan, Agha Waqar Ahmed & Dr. Atta ur Rehman - Agha waqar National Hero or Fraud??

why not give him a chance, why blame blame blame everyone?
 

tariisb

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: آغا وقار ہیرو یا زیرو۔۔


ایک فضول اور بے وقت کی راگنی ، ہر طرف شروع ہوگیی ہے ، آغا وقار ، سب کے سامنے ہے ، کچھ بھی پوشیدہ اور چھپا ہوا نہیں ، سب لوگ اسس ایجاد کو دیکھ رہے ہیں ، سب ادارے ایک ایک پہلو ، کا جائزہ لے رہے ہیں ، اب یہاں پر "پیشگوئی" کرنے ، یا کسوٹی کرنے کا کوئی فائدہ نہیں ، بہت جلد سب کچھ سامنے آجاۓ گا ،
 

Ghzanfar

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: آغا وقار ہیرو یا زیرو۔۔

I agree that it is purely possible. Dr.Ata seems to be biased and has started blowing up the whole thing without even analyzing it. He's blaming that a battery is being used to run the car which is incorrect. The battery is being used just to initialize the electrolysis process. From there on, it's hydrogen which has been given energy by GOD which is used as a fuel. Just like petrol or gasoline.

The only chance of doing a fraud is in two cases:
i. may be that this person has hidden some other energy source inside his own car

Solution: This can be solved by starting the car, then removing the water kit from the car when car is started. And see if the car stops and engine goes off, that will prove that the only source of energy is the water kit. Secondly, the kit should be used to run some other person's car. If the kit works fine, it's genuine. Otherwise it's false.

ii. maybe there is some material or chemical used inside the water kit which is either producing the gas or at least increasing the chemical reaction. This way, if the kit costs 60 thousand rupees and becomes useless after one month's use or so. Then it's a useless thing and can be categorized as a fraud.

Solution: This will require a guarantee from the engineer that the kit will not become useless after a certain time. Also a qualified team of physicians and chemists need to analyze it and come with their findings.


Problem Solved!
 

sababer9

Citizen
i also respected Dr. Atta-ur-Rehman for his work for HEC and Fiber optic in pakistan. But after tallat's show, he is like lakeer ka fakeer
PhD mein har bar har banda koi naya kaam karay to degree milti hai, koi law break karay, koi new theory, new technique present karay to degree milti hai.
respect Dr. Qadeer khan, he's atleast appreciating the claim.
 

Believer12

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Capital Talk - 31st July 2012 - Engr. Dr Abdul Qadir Khan, Agha Waqar Ahmed & Dr. Atta ur Rehman - Agha waqar National Hero or Fraud??

And that "Gadha" will be you.

you were abusing me for that reason why i called him pathan,,,,, all your discussion was baseless and knowledge less. here is proof that he is pathan.

Agha-Waqar-Pakistani-Car-Kit1.jpg
 

ranaji

President (40k+ posts)
Re: Capital Talk - 31st July 2012 - Engr. Dr Abdul Qadir Khan, Agha Waqar Ahmed & Dr. Atta ur Rehman - Agha waqar National Hero or Fraud??

ایسے ھی کھا جاتا تھا کہ پاکستانی انجینئرز نے انڈے کی زردی کا متبادل تیار کر لیا ھے۔حالانکہ اس چیز کی تیاری کی مشین یھاں مارکیٹ میں سالوں سے موجود تھی۔
اس اسٹیم کار کا آئیڈیا نیا نھیں بلکہ بھت پرانا ھے۔لیکن یہ ابھی تک قابل استعمال نھیں ھے۔ھم پوری دنیا کو ساینس میں ھرانے کے لیے فراڈ نھیں کر سکتے بلکہ پڑھنا ھی پڑھے گا۔
yahan to aam logon ney maha haraaaaaami aur soooooor ka mutbadill zardaaaaari bhi tiyar karr liya hai
 

txqpzrk

Councller (250+ posts)

یھی میرے جذبات ھیں کے خیر پور یونیورسٹی کے اس مکینک کو کچھ پتا نھیں اور یو ٹیوب پر دیکھ کر کچھ نقل کر کے چلا ھے ھیرو بننے ۔جو اصل سائنٹسٹ ھوتے ھیں وہ کسی تھیوری پر سالوں کام کرنے کے بعد خاموشی سے اسے دوسرے ریسرچرز کے سامنے پیش کر دیتے ھیں جو اسپر ریسرچ کرنے کے بعد اسے اپروو کرتے ھیں۔پھر پوری دنیا کے ساینٹسٹ اسکو پرکھتے ھیں تب جاکر اسکوریوارڈ ملتا ھے۔اسنے سوچا خیرپور کی طرح سب لوگ بے خبر بیٹھے ھیں چلا دو نئ ایجاد کا تیر اور کر دو پبلسٹی جیو پر لیکن اب یہ ناکام ھوگا اور جیو پر ایک ڈاکٹر عامر پھلے سے بوجھ بن گیا ھے اب یہ تو ڈبو ھی دے گا


Yaar kasoor iska nai hey, he is basically a Jahil person. Kasoor un gadhon ka hey jinhon ney abhi tak isko bust nahi kiya. main to us engineer sahib per heran hoon jo studio mey agha k sath betha tha. uss ney ek bhi scientific reasoning ki try nahi ki. orr hamarey wazeer ey mazhabi amoor or doosrey siyasi hazrat including pervez rasheed iss jahil aadmi ki hosla afzai kar rahey haen. All it takes to puncture this baloon is to send 2 geniune engineers and test his kit, but all of these guys are not doing so.

I don't have any issue with such fools if they get little publicity or even fraud some idiot businessman, my only concern is that we are making ourselves a laughing stock infront of international community when our ministers and heads of engineering institutions say "hum ney chala kar dekhi hey gari or iss mey koi fraud nahi hey, yeh to petrol sey bhi achi chal rahi hey"

By the way, looking at emotional comments (without any scientific logic) on this issue by majority of people in this forum, I feel pity for my nation.
 

k.a.kiani

Minister (2k+ posts)
Dr. Atta-ur-rehman is corrupt or incompetent (must watch and read)

Look at his allegations what he putting on a person who is just trying to contribute and play his role as being pakistani. Without examining his claims and checking his production, he is putting strong allegations on him. is this fair and sensible????

watch from 19:40



watch at very end of this video when he said that hydrogen is only generated through Methane (CH4) for commercial use. from 13:50

Now coming on to what he is saying that it is impossible because the energy, which can be generated with process of electrolysis, can only last for few minutes and then it will need recharge which makes it impossible to use it on commercial scale. THIS IS WRONG because he doesn't know that process production of Hydrogen with the help of electrolysis can be enhanced enormously by performing electrolysis in resonating cavity. watch this as prove


Now I don't know why he is opposing this gentleman so badly. He didn't say even once that if it is right then I, as being man of technology and pakistani, admired his efforts but he has done some kind of forgery then he should be condemned and punished. He just gave sweeping statement that it is fraud and national level.

I am really disappointed.
 

Spider Man

Voter (50+ posts)
Re: آغا وقار ہیرو یا زیرو۔۔

I believe no body should undermine this guy's effort and he should be encouraged even if this turn out to faliure ( not a fraud). However i must say that at this it will be good for country that this devise should looked very critically to ensure this is something viable/practicle and not a fraud.
 

oscar

Minister (2k+ posts)
آخری لمحات میں جب آغا وقار نے ڈاکٹر عطا سے پوچھا کہ ڈاکٹر صاحب، آپ کو پتہ ہے ھائڈروجن گیس کیسے بنتی ہے؟تو مجھےجانو جرمن اور انگریزی کا ملاکھڑا یاد آگیا۔الو کے پٹھے قوم کو "چ" بنا رہے ہیں۔
 

ranaji

President (40k+ posts)
Re: Capital Talk - 31st July 2012 - Engr. Dr Abdul Qadir Khan, Agha Waqar Ahmed & Dr. Atta ur Rehman - Agha waqar National Hero or Fraud??

یہ آغا وقار کا دیکھنے کا اسٹایئل ثابت کر رھا تھا کہ فراڈ ھے اور جھوٹے بندے کی نشانی ھے کہ وہ فوراٌ غصہ میں آکر پرسنل ھو جاتا ھے۔اس نے ھر گز ڈاکٹر عطا کے اس سوال کا جواب نھیں دیا کہ بیٹری کے ذریعے انرجی دیکر پانی سے جب ہایئڈروجن علیحدہ کی جاتی ھے تو اس سے زیادہ انرجی کیسے بنا لیتی ھے
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 % true
 

Nice2MU

President (40k+ posts)
Re: Capital Talk - 31st July 2012 - Engr. Dr Abdul Qadir Khan, Agha Waqar Ahmed & Dr. Atta ur Rehman - Agha waqar National Hero or Fraud??

Ohhhh ,,,,you still here but where is your pani pani car???

The car is looking of its "Gadha" to drive it through.......
 

Ahsan.CH

Voter (50+ posts)
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hahaha Thanks for reliving that funny memory!


I must say that Janu German looks a hell lot like Zardari!
 

wafaqian

Citizen
Re: Dr. Atta-ur-rehman is corrupt or incompetent (must watch and read)

the guy has point...
k oss ne Govt. ka aik rupeya nahi liya... so just oss ki cheez ko examine kiya jaye... fraud/cheater wagera kehnay ki tou koi tukkk he nahi...