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بغیرعلم قرآن میں بات کرنے والے کے لیئے جہنم کی وعید


حضرت عبد اللہ بن عباس رضی اﷲ عنہما روایت کرتے ہیں کہ رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے ارشاد فرمایا کہ : جو شخص بغیر علم کے قرآن مجید میں کوئ بات ( بلا دليل اپنی رائے اورعقل کے مطابق ) کرے تو اسے چاہیے کہ وہ اپنا ٹھکانہ جہنم میں بنا لے
دوسری روایت میں ہے کہ حضرت ابن عباس رضی ﷲ عنہما روایت کرتے ہیں کہ حضور صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے ارشاد فرمایا کہ : میری طرف سے کوئی سے حديث بیان کرتے ہوئے ڈرو، سوائے اس کے جس کا تمہیں علم ہے، کیونکہ جس نے جان بوجھ کر مجھ پر جھوٹ باندھا اس کوچاہیے کہ اپنا ٹھکانہ جہنم میں بنالے ۔ اور جس شخص نے قرآن میں اپنی رائے سے تفسیر کی تو وہ بھی اپنا ٹھکانہ جہنم میں بنا لے۔
ایک اور حدیث میں حضرت جندب بن عبد ﷲ رضی اللہ عنہ روایت کرتے ہیں کہ رسول ﷲ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے ارشاد فرمایا کہ : جس نے قرآن مجید میں اپنی طرف سے کچھ کہا تو اگرچہ وہ صحیح بھی ہو پھر بھی اس نے غلطی کی ۔


عن‏ ‏ابن عباس ‏ ‏رضي الله عنهما ‏ ‏قال : ‏‏قال رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏:‏ من قال في القرآن بغير علم ‏ ‏فليتبوأ ‏ ‏مقعده من النار ‏
‏قال ‏أبو عيسى ‏‏هذا ‏حديث حسن صحيح
أخرجه الترمذي في سننه ، ورواه أحمد والنسائي في الكبرى،
ثم أورده الترمذي في سننه برواية أخرى : ‏اتقوا الحديث عني إلا ما علمتم فمن كذب علي متعمدا ‏ ‏فليتبوأ ‏ ‏مقعده من النار ومن قال في القرآن برأيه ‏ ‏فليتبوأ ‏ ‏مقعده من النار ، وقال: هذا حديث حسن.



أخبرنا محمد بن بشار قال ثنا يحيى قال ثنا سفيان قال ثنا عبد الأعلى عن سعيد بن جبير عن ابن عباس عن النبي قال من قال في القرآن برأيه أو بما لا يعلم فليتبوأ مقعده من النار
أخبرنا عبد الرحمن بن محمد بن سلام عن يعقوب بن إسحق الحضرمي قال حدثني سهيل بن مهران القطعي قال ثنا أبو عمران الجوني عن جندب قال قال رسول الله من قال في كتاب الله برأيه فأصاب فقد أخطأ
فضائل القرآن للنسائي


فائده = حدیث میں انہتائ سخت ترین وعید ہے لہذا ہرمسلمان کے لیئے ضروری ہے کہ اس کو مد نظر رکهے اور رائے وعقل سے قرآن میں کوئ بات نہ کرے کیونکہ اپنی رائے وعقل سے قرآن کی تفسیر کرنا حرام ہے ، اور ساتهہ جہنم کی سخت ترین وعید بهی ہے لہذا قرآن مجید کی تفسیر سیکهنے اور سمجهنے کے لیئے مستند اهل علم واهل تفسیر یا مستند تفاسیر کی طرف رجوع کرے ، اور یاد رہے کہ حدیث میں مذکور وعید عام ہے چاہے اپنی رائے وعقل وخواہش سے قرآن میں کوئ بات کرے ، یا بلا دلیل وثبوت غلط تفسیر بیان کرے وغیره ذالک
 

hans

Banned
I am a bit confused, if I take your post, then what do you have to say about Malik Ishaq leader and founder of Al Qaeda-linked Lashkar-e-Jhangvi?

For any odd reason, do you think he understand Quran. If you have any connection to this guy, why not send this Hadit to him. On a personal note, this guy Ishaq.. is a killer and no way Islam or Quran refers to such social Conduct. Dont you agree?

Before we go into detail.... lets see what Holy Quran says
Quran 2:178
Yusuf Ali
O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman. But if any remission is made by the brother of the slain, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate him with handsome gratitude, this is a concession and a Mercy from your Lord. After this whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave penalty.

Quran 25:68-69
Yusuf Ali
Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment.(But) the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to him, and he will dwell therein in ignominy,-

Quran 2:190
Sahih International:
Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.
Muhsin Khan:
And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors. [This Verse is the first one that was revealed in connection with Jihad, but it was supplemented by another (V.9:36)].
Yusuf Ali:
Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.


Malik Ishaq Story....

On Malik Ishaq release, he was received outside Kot Lakhpat prison by leaders of Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan, banned in 2001 as a terrorist organization but now—after being renamed harmlessly to Ahle Sunnat wal Jamaat—resting in a legal grey area because of an appeal lying with the higher judiciary. The Sahaba leader heading the welcome party was Maulana Muhammad Ahmad Ludhianvi—recalling an anti-Shia 1980s polemicist who was assassinated in Karachi—who came in handy when the current Army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Kayani, called on Ishaq to talk to the terrorists who had attacked Army General Headquarters in Rawalpindi in 2009. The Army chief’s personal plane had carried Ishaq to Rawalpindi, while another plane belonging to the ISI chief, Gen. Shuja Pasha, carried Ludhianvi.

Sipah-e-Sahaba’s welcome party was hardly a dozen strong, but by the time it reached the border of South Punjab, the numbers began to swell. If in Okara it was a few hundred, and a thousand in Khanewal, it was nearly 5,000 in Bahawalpur—the city of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi’s sister terrorist organization, Jaish-e-Muhammad. When Ishaq arrived in his village of Tarinda Sawai Khan in Rahim Yar Khan, the crowd out to greet him was actually 15,000-strong, as claimed by a Sahaba publication.

Their newspaper, Daily Ummat Karachi, in its July 16 edition said Ishaq had been freed without any “secret deal” and that he had rededicated himself to war against the proliferation of “insulters” of the Companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him) on the Internet as he now fought under the flag of Sipah-e-Sahaba after disbanding Lashkar-e-Jhangvi. How far Jhangvi will be disbanded after appearing on the flag of Al Qaeda’s 313 Brigade (which includes Jandullah and Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan) is yet to be seen. One reason Ishaq has joined Sahaba is that the banning order against it is on hold and this takes him away from the mischief of the antiterrorism law.

According to the publication, Ishaq was wanted in 43 cases, involving 70 murders, out of which he had been acquitted in 37 and awarded bail in eight. The last case, involving planning—from prison—the attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team in Lahore in 2009 has concluded in another bail at the Supreme Court after which he has been released. Earlier resistance to release by the Punjab government had required Lahore to pay for the monthly sustenance of Ishaq’s family. This time Lahore let him go. Daily Ummat says that, because Punjab was not releasing Ishaq, Sipah-e-Sahaba decided to reach an agreement with Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif on electoral support in Bhakkar from where the latter was elected unopposed with the help of Ishaq’s brother.

Arriving back in South Punjab, Ishaq has consolidated the power of the hard-line sectarian organizations emanating from the state policy of jihad. He is ranked at par with the chief of Jaish-e-Muhammad, Maulana Masud Azhar, famous for his companionship with Osama bin Laden and his linkage with Omar Sheikh, who contributed to the killing of The Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl in Karachi in 2002. Sheikh, too, has been charged with planning terrorist acts—including against then President Pervez Musharraf—from his prison cell in Sindh. Azhar and Sheikh were both sprung from an Indian jail in 1999 and released in Kandahar, after the hijacking of an Indian airliner in Nepal, as a result of a deal facilitated by a Pakistan-dominated Taliban government in Afghanistan.


Back Ground Check of Mr. Ishaq.
Ishaq headed a union of shopkeepers in Rahim Yar Khan when he fell under the thrall of Maulana Haq Nawaz Jhangvi, the founder of the Shia-apostatizing Sipah-e-Sahaba in 1982 after his contacts with Arab princes enjoying extraterritorial hunting rights in Rahim Yar Khan made him strong. Against the background of an Arab-Iranian confrontation in the region, Sahaba flourished financially, too. The other devotees of Maulana Jhangvi were Jaish-e-Muhammad’s Azhar and Riaz Basra, who was killed in a “police encounter” in 2002 because “no judge could sentence him.” Basra and Ishaq founded Laskhar-e-Jhangvi.

After Ishaq was arrested in 1997 in the wake of the killing of five Iranian Air Force trainees in Rawalpindi, Basra threatened the government with dire consequences unless he was released. Meanwhile, another Lashkar-e-Jhangvi commander, Akram Lahori, went on killing Shias in Karachi, which according to Ishaq was much easier because the Jhangvi cadre there was better trained than in the Punjab. (Training was received in Al Qaeda camps in Surobi, Afghanistan.) Facing trial in Multan, Lahori, responsible for the killing of such well-known Karachi figures as businessman Shaukat Mirza and prominent Shia doctors, was indicted in 2010 after living comfortably in jail for seven years. Witnesses against him in Multan continue to die or disappear. Witnesses against Ishaq also have a hard time surviving, as in the case brought against him by a Shia citizen, Fida Husain Ghalvi, charging that Ishaq had killed 10 of his family.

The Punjab government has made a deal with Sipah-e-Sahaba after seeing its growing clout in South Punjab. One well-known episode was recorded by jihadist newspaper Islam: “Punjab Law Minister Rana Sanaullah visited Jhang and paid his respects at the tomb of the founder of the greatest banned sectarian-terrorist Deobandi organization, Sipah-e-Sahaba, Maulana Haq Nawaz Jhangvi. He led a delegation of the [Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz)] which also included parliamentary secretary Iftikhar Baloch and party M.P.A. from Jhang, Sheikh Yaqub. He also visited the tombs of other Sipah-e-Sahaba martyr-leaders like Maulana Isarul Qasimi and Allama Azam Tariq.”

Threatened communities have reacted predictably. Shia outfit Imamia Students Organization issued the following statement: “The planned release of terror kingpin Malik Ishaq who is also the co-founder of banned organization Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, with the blessing of Punjab government’s weak prosecution and the court’s blind decision is likely to fuel the ruthless killings of Shias across the country.” Sri Lanka, which hoped to get justice for the attack on its cricket team, and Iran, whose cultural consul Muhammad Ali Rahimi was allegedly killed by Ishaq in Multan in 1997, will also be offended. His release was badly timed. President Asif Ali Zardari’s paid a goodwill visit to Iran the same week.

When the Iranian consul in Lahore Sadeq Ganji was assassinated in 1990, the strong presence of Sipah-e-Sahaba in politics prevented the due process of law to unfold. At the Lahore High Court, where the killers faced trial, many judges retired or were elevated before the court was able to pass the obvious death sentence. Sahaba wanted to pay diyat or blood money for the killer it wanted spared, and even approached Iran in this respect. The power of apostatizing sectarian elements has redoubled in 2011 and “legal” political parties have to align with them to survive in certain regions. All it takes is a renaming of the banned organization.

The Punjab government, reportedly, had also been giving a monthly stipend to Ishaq’s family; an act which the government claims was as per court’s order. Only that there are no court orders in sight.
 
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babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)

[MENTION=6134]atensari[/MENTION],
Dr. Israr is misleading in this video. The words are "fil Allah", that means regarding
Allah, about Allah. It is not saying about Quran. and Dr. Israr gave a absolutely out of
context lecture. May Allah forgive him.
"From the people is One who disputes (makes heated discussion) REGARDING ALLAH
without knowledge..............". From where Quran came into discussion, and MCGill University
wala Professor and this and that. There is no limit of misquotation.
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
[h=2][/h] بغیرعلم قرآن میں بات کرنے والے کے لیئے جہنم کی وعید


حضرت عبد اللہ بن عباس رضی اﷲ عنہما روایت کرتے ہیں کہ رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے ارشاد فرمایا کہ : جو شخص بغیر علم کے قرآن مجید میں کوئ بات ( بلا دليل اپنی رائے اورعقل کے مطابق ) کرے تو اسے چاہیے کہ وہ اپنا ٹھکانہ جہنم میں بنا لے
دوسری روایت میں ہے کہ حضرت ابن عباس رضی ﷲ عنہما روایت کرتے ہیں کہ حضور صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے ارشاد فرمایا کہ : میری طرف سے کوئی سے حديث بیان کرتے ہوئے ڈرو، سوائے اس کے جس کا تمہیں علم ہے، کیونکہ جس نے جان بوجھ کر مجھ پر جھوٹ باندھا اس کوچاہیے کہ اپنا ٹھکانہ جہنم میں بنالے ۔ اور جس شخص نے قرآن میں اپنی رائے سے تفسیر کی تو وہ بھی اپنا ٹھکانہ جہنم میں بنا لے۔
ایک اور حدیث میں حضرت جندب بن عبد ﷲ رضی اللہ عنہ روایت کرتے ہیں کہ رسول ﷲ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے ارشاد فرمایا کہ : جس نے قرآن مجید میں اپنی طرف سے کچھ کہا تو اگرچہ وہ صحیح بھی ہو پھر بھی اس نے غلطی کی ۔


عن‏ ‏ابن عباس ‏ ‏رضي الله عنهما ‏ ‏قال : ‏‏قال رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏:‏ من قال في القرآن بغير علم ‏ ‏فليتبوأ ‏ ‏مقعده من النار ‏
‏قال ‏أبو عيسى ‏‏هذا ‏حديث حسن صحيح
أخرجه الترمذي في سننه ، ورواه أحمد والنسائي في الكبرى،
ثم أورده الترمذي في سننه برواية أخرى : ‏اتقوا الحديث عني إلا ما علمتم فمن كذب علي متعمدا ‏ ‏فليتبوأ ‏ ‏مقعده من النار ومن قال في القرآن برأيه ‏ ‏فليتبوأ ‏ ‏مقعده من النار ، وقال: هذا حديث حسن.



أخبرنا محمد بن بشار قال ثنا يحيى قال ثنا سفيان قال ثنا عبد الأعلى عن سعيد بن جبير عن ابن عباس عن النبي قال من قال في القرآن برأيه أو بما لا يعلم فليتبوأ مقعده من النار
أخبرنا عبد الرحمن بن محمد بن سلام عن يعقوب بن إسحق الحضرمي قال حدثني سهيل بن مهران القطعي قال ثنا أبو عمران الجوني عن جندب قال قال رسول الله من قال في كتاب الله برأيه فأصاب فقد أخطأ
فضائل القرآن للنسائي


فائده = حدیث میں انہتائ سخت ترین وعید ہے لہذا ہرمسلمان کے لیئے ضروری ہے کہ اس کو مد نظر رکهے اور رائے وعقل سے قرآن میں کوئ بات نہ کرے کیونکہ اپنی رائے وعقل سے قرآن کی تفسیر کرنا حرام ہے ، اور ساتهہ جہنم کی سخت ترین وعید بهی ہے لہذا قرآن مجید کی تفسیر سیکهنے اور سمجهنے کے لیئے مستند اهل علم واهل تفسیر یا مستند تفاسیر کی طرف رجوع کرے ، اور یاد رہے کہ حدیث میں مذکور وعید عام ہے چاہے اپنی رائے وعقل وخواہش سے قرآن میں کوئ بات کرے ، یا بلا دلیل وثبوت غلط تفسیر بیان کرے وغیره ذالک

Make This Quran a big "Hawa" for People with the help of these Hadiths, so that people
should not even come near to this. Why dont you check yourself from Quran first. This book
is for "Linnass" not for particular people. Allah is Forgiving and Merciful, people should and
must learn Quran, no one will make intentionally any mistake, this is not an ordinary type
book.
 

hans

Banned
Super! Well said
"This book is for “hudal linnaas” – a guidance for mankind...not for particular people."

Dhaalikal Kitaabu laa raiba feeh. Hudal lil muttaqeen – This is the Book in which there is no doubt. A guidance for the muttaqoon.”

Allah (swt) calls the Quran by this last name in the ayah where He says: “Tabaaraka alladhee nazzalal Furqaan – Blessed be He who has sent down the Furqaan. (25: 1)”

The Quran is also known as al-Dhikr (the reminder) since Allah (swt) says: “Dhaalika natloohu alaika minal aayaati wadh dhikril hakeem – That is what We recite to you of the Signs and the wise reminder (3: 58).”

The Quran is also a Noor (a light) and the dalil for that is the ayah: “Wa anzalnaa ilaikum nooram mubeenaa – We have sent down a Clear Light to you (4: 174).” It is called a light because it guides people out of the darkness of misguidance by making clear the laws of Allah (swt).

Another aspect of the Quran is that it is a bushraa (good news or glad tidings). Allah (swt) says: “Hudan wa bushraa’ lil mu’mineen – It is guidance and good news for the believers. (27: 2)” The good news that it conveys to us, the believers, is about all of the delights which wait in store for us in Jannah.

And yet another of the names of the Quran is that it is a rahmah (mercy) since Allah (swt) says: “Hudan wa rahmatun lil muhsineen - It is guidance and mercy for those who do good. (31: 33).”


Make This Quran a big "Hawa" for People with the help of these Hadiths, so that people
should not even come near to this. Why dont you check yourself from Quran first. This book
is for "Linnass" not for particular people. Allah is Forgiving and Merciful, people should and
must learn Quran, no one will make intentionally any mistake, this is not an ordinary type
book.
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
@atensari ,
Dr. Israr is misleading in this video. The words are "fil Allah", that means regarding
Allah, about Allah. It is not saying about Quran. and Dr. Israr gave a absolutely out of
context lecture. May Allah forgive him.
"From the people is One who disputes (makes heated discussion) REGARDING ALLAH
without knowledge..............". From where Quran came into discussion, and MCGill University
wala Professor and this and that. There is no limit of misquotation.

We know Allah through Quran, arguing against Quran is equal to arguing against Allah, Ameen! may Allah forgive all of his sins and mistake.

from where McGill University came in he clearly explained this post might help your:

 
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karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
My apologies [MENTION=6254]hans[/MENTION] I thought there was change coming into you but alas :(
[MENTION=7169]babadeena[/MENTION] you are from some strange sect of Islam and may be one of those that Dr. Israr was talking about and the one the original thread is about. I have never understood your rational. It is platonic by any standard.
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
My apologies @hans I thought there was change coming into you but alas :(
@babadeena you are from some strange sect of Islam and may be one of those that Dr. Israr was talking about and the one the original thread is about. I have never understood your rational. It is platonic by any standard.
Because only people of understanding heed???
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
We know Allah through Quran, arguing against Quran is equal to arguing against Allah, Ameen! may Allah forgive all of his sins and mistake.

from where McGill University came in he clearly explained this post might help your:


Dear atensary, dr israr sb marhoom bahot samajhdaar admi the magar main un ko har baat main saheeh nahin samajhta. inko sir seyyed ahmed marhoom se ikhtilaaf hai magar sir seyyed is baat main bilkul theek the keh laws of nature are permanent. Not because they control Allah but because that is the way Allah set them up for his purpose. It is upto Allah to impose upon himself something eg Allah imposed upon himself to be merciful to mankind. Now one cannot say that Allah cannot be cruel to anyone for no reason. It is by Allah's own choosing that he does something one way rather than another.

This point is very important to understand for proper understanding of the quran. If we accept that laws of nature are permanent then we cannot accept that they have been broken here and there. Why not? Because what is broken is not permanent regardless it is broken just once or many times. Perfect and faulty are two opposite things and likewise are permanent and broken. Sir seyyed proves to be right and all the others wrong on basis of simple logic.

The other problem is that if Allah can do anything at any time against his own set up program then that has countless other implications ie he can change anything at any time. This is a major dispute between deobandies and brelvies. It is known as IMKAANE KIZB and khatme nabuwwat. I don't know, you are that old or not but I have been in debates between deobandies and brelvies. Ahmed Raza khan brelvi marhoom and his party and rasheed ahmed gangoe marhoom and his supporter have been at odd for a long time regarding what he wrote wrong in his book tehzerunnaas. Ultimately deobandies lost the debate on whether Allah can break his habbit or sunnah. It is now aqeedah of all that Allah does not go back on his word or practice and that IMKAANE KIZBE BAARI TAALA MUHAAL HAI.

There are books written by founders of deoband school that have been main problem between brelvies and deobandies as well as books written by brelvies eg hifzul imaan by ashraf ali marhoom of thaana and hisaamul haramane by ahmed raza khan of roy breily. I do not like quoting these things because I know brethren here are always looking for excuses to get their own back. This is just by the by to show that laws of nature have been accepted by all as permanent, not necessarily directly but by having certain beliefs all people show that they believe that laws of nature are permanent.

The very belief that it is impossible for Allah to send another prophet after Muhammad is impossible, for example . To go back on his word is impossible for Allah. And that is exactly what sir seyyed is saying that if Allah has set up the world as we observe it then miracles are impossible as defined by claimants of miracles. Because their claim is not just that certain events happen in nature naturally that we may not have explanation for it at the time but that God deliberately breaks laws of nature to make things happen because he is capable of doing that.

The other side to this is why would God need to do anything like these miracles when they serve no purpose at all? None has been able to prove anything about it so far. The point here is that by claiming something that is against life experience of real people in real world you are only giving them the stick to beat you with. The real proof of existence of Allah is his revelation for humanity and the world that exists as described in the book. Proof is not a miracle but reliable testimony of a witness. If Allah is creator of this world then he is the witness and his testimony is quran and if quran and world fit with each other then that is proof of existence of god and his revelation. This again is very simple logic. So one needs no miraculous events to prove existence of god, in fact they make it impossible to prove existence of god because such ideas contradict the quran and therefore prove the quran false.

So why deliberately set the quran against itself?

This events told about the prophets in the quran have been already explained by people of knowledge perfectly according to the laws of nature. This at least makes them doubtful as miraculous event even if people do not accept them as impossible. You see if you can explain something in two ways and it makes sense then either way is ok and none of them can be claimed as the sole way. Likewise when one way is impossible and the other way is actually possible then case is very clear that possible and plausible explanation carries through.

Thus there are a lot of different arguments in favour of sir seyyed but none in favour of make beliefs, proving thereby beyond a shadow of doubt as to who is talking sense and who is not.

thanks, regards and all the best.
 
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babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
Brother Mughal1,
a) Laws of Nature have been framed by one Entity called, "Allah" The Creator;
b) The Creator(SWT) has many attributes, one of them is He is Omnipotent, and
HAS POWER OVER ALL THINGS.
c) It is not matter of test but matter of belief; The Creator who created and made
such laws have the sole authority and domain to do whatever, whereever, whenever and
howsoever He may wish to do. He is not answerable or Questionable to anyone.

I can give you from Quran an example of Law of Nature:
أَوْ كَالَّذِي مَرَّ عَلَىٰ قَرْيَةٍ وَهِيَ خَاوِيَةٌ عَلَىٰ عُرُوشِهَا قَالَ أَنَّىٰ يُحْيِي هَٰذِهِ اللَّهُ بَعْدَ مَوْتِهَا ۖ فَأَمَاتَهُ اللَّهُ مِائَةَ عَامٍ ثُمَّ بَعَثَهُ ۖ قَالَ كَمْ لَبِثْتَ ۖ قَالَ لَبِثْتُ يَوْمًا أَوْ بَعْضَ يَوْمٍ ۖ قَالَ بَلْ لَبِثْتَ مِائَةَ عَامٍ فَانْظُرْ إِلَىٰ طَعَامِكَ وَشَرَابِكَ لَمْ يَتَسَنَّهْ ۖ وَانْظُرْ إِلَىٰ حِمَارِكَ وَلِنَجْعَلَكَ آيَةً لِلنَّاسِ ۖ وَانْظُرْ إِلَى الْعِظَامِ كَيْفَ نُنْشِزُهَا ثُمَّ نَكْسُوهَا لَحْمًا ۚ فَلَمَّا تَبَيَّنَ لَهُ قَالَ أَعْلَمُ أَنَّ اللَّهَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{259**[/FONT]

[SIZE=-1][Shakir 2:259] Or the like of him (Uzair) who passed by a town, and it had fallen down upon its roofs; he said: When will Allah give it life after its death? So Allah caused him to die for a hundred years, then raised him to life. He said: How long have you tarried? He said: I have tarried a day, or a part of a day. Said He: Nay! you have tarried a hundred years; then look at your food and drink-- years have not passed over it; and look at your ***; and that We may make you a sign to men, and look at the bones, how We set them together, then clothed them with flesh; so when it became clear to him, he said: I know that Allah has power over all things.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 2:259] Or (bethink thee of) the like of him who, passing by a township which had fallen into utter ruin, exclaimed: How shall Allah give this township life after its death? And Allah made him die a hundred years, then brought him back to life. He said: How long hast thou tarried? (The man) said: I have tarried a day or part of a day. (He) said: Nay, but thou hast tarried for a hundred years. Just look at thy food and drink which have not rotted! Look at thine ***! And, that We may make thee a token unto mankind, look at the bones, how We adjust them and then cover them with flesh! And when (the matter) became clear unto him, he said: I know now that Allah is Able to do all things.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 2:259] Or (take) the similitude of one who passed by a hamlet, all in ruins to its roofs. He said: "Oh! how shall Allah bring it (ever) to life, after (this) its death?" but Allah caused him to die for a hundred years, then raised him up (again). He said: "How long didst thou tarry (thus)?" He said: (Perhaps) a day or part of a day." He said: "Nay, thou hast tarried thus a hundred years; but look at thy food and thy drink; they show no signs of age; and look at thy donkey: And that We may make of thee a sign unto the people, Look further at the bones, how We bring them together and clothe them with flesh." When this was shown clearly to him, he said: "I know that Allah hath power over all things."[/SIZE]

ALL LAWS OF NATURE HERE STAND MODIFIED BY ALLAH(SWT) to make portent for the people
to believe that He has power over all things.
I am afraid your arguments in this regard are not convincing at all. Thanks and regard.
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Dear atensary, dr israr sb marhoom bahot samajhdaar admi the magar main un ko har baat main saheeh nahin samajhta. inko sir seyyed ahmed marhoom se ikhtilaaf hai magar sir seyyed is baat main bilkul theek the keh laws of nature are permanent. Not because they control Allah but because that is the way Allah set them up for his purpose. It is upto Allah to impose upon himself something eg Allah imposed upon himself to be merciful to mankind. Now one cannot say that Allah cannot be cruel to anyone for no reason. It is by Allah's own choosing that he does something one way rather than another.

Innovations always give birth to wrong practices, Sr. Syed's thoughts served as foundation for Fitna e Qadiyanyt.
 
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