جناح اور اقبال کا پاکستان۔ ایک ناکام ریاست۔

[Citizen X]

4:59 "O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you...." (known as the Obedience Verse) 4:69 "And whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger - those will be with the ones upon whom Allah has bestowed favor of the prophets ..."

Not Nabi

 

[Wake up Pak]

4:59 "O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you...." (known as the Obedience Verse) 4:69 "And whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger - those will be with the ones upon whom Allah has bestowed favor of the prophets ..."

Does this verse tell us to follow the ahadith? If so, why the ahadith were not penned down during the lifetime of the Prophet?

 

[Wake up Pak]

Not Nabi

At this point, they will not understand.

 

[Cyber_Security]

Does this verse tell us to follow the ahadith? If so, why the ahadith were not penned down during the lifetime of the Prophet?

Why thecQuran nor penned down during the life of Prophet Muhammad. How will you follow Prophet Muhammad when there is no Hadees. I
Why didn't Allah say in Quran to follow Allah only but not Prophet Muhammad's messages.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Why thecQuran nor penned down during the life of Prophet Muhammad. How will you follow Prophet Muhammad when there is no Hadees. I
Why didn't Allah say in Quran to follow Allah only but not Prophet Muhammad's messages.

[5:92] You shall obey GOD, and you shall obey the messenger, and beware. If you turn away, then know that the sole duty of our messenger is to deliver the message efficiently.

 

[Citizen X]

Also there is no wording in Quran saying, to follow Allah and not Prophet Muhammad

And there is no wording in the Quran that says follow the nabi or follow the sunnah of the nabi. Allah chooses his words for a reason, he could have said follow Mohd, or follow the Nabi, but he didn't and for a very good reason.

 

[Cyber_Security]

At this point, they will not understand.

Did you ever realized that God only blessed you two with intelligence and rest of the Muslim world is a bunch of dumb idiots.

 

[Cyber_Security]

And there is no wording in the Quran that says follow the nabi or follow the sunnah of the nabi. Allah chooses his words for a reason, he could have said follow Mohd, or follow the Nabi, but he didn't and for a very good reason.

Of ccourse there is one, actually two. I mentioned above.

 

[M_Shameer]

Your posts suggest you are a non-Muslim and probably not a Pakistani either.No one is stopping you to go and live in India.
Creating Pakistan was right and necessary.Pakistan was doing very well until early 70s.It’s economy was growing.India was very poor.Pakistan lost the plot after mid 70s due to poor leadership and meddling in politics by the military.If Pakistan gets good leadership it can sort out it’s economic and other issues in less than 20 years.PS Ask Indian Muslims how they are treated by RSS/BJP thugs.Thousands have been lynched and killed for eating beef or false accusations of forcing Hindu girls to become Muslims.

پاکستان کی تو پہلے دن سے کوئی سمت نہیں تھی۔ پاکستان بنتے ہی جناح صاحب گورنر جنرل بن کر بیٹھ گئے، جناح صاحب نے اپنی زندگی میں کوئی ہدایت نامہ جاری ہی نہیں کیا کہ یہ ملک کیسے چلے گا، اس میں کیا نظام ہوگا، الیکشن کب ہوں گے، اختیارات کی تقسیم کیا ہوگی وغیرہ وغیرہ۔ سو جناح صاحب کے مرنے کے بعد جس جس کے ہاتھ لگتا گیا وہ ایوانِ اقتدار پر قابض ہوتا گیا۔ 71 میں جاکر تو پہلا الیکشن ہوا جس کے نتیجے میں ملک ہی ٹوٹ گیا۔ مذہب کے نام پر دو خطوں کا ایسا احمقانہ گٹھ جوڑ کبھی نہ دیکھا گیا ہوگا جو محض 24 سال بعد ٹوٹ گیا اور ساتھ ہی مسلمانوں کا دو قومی نظریہ کا فخر بھی ڈوب گیا۔۔ اس کے بعد بھی یہ ملک ایسے ہی چلتا رہا اور ابھی تک ایسے ہی چل رہا ہے۔۔ ​

 

[Citizen X]

Why thecQuran nor penned down during the life of Prophet Muhammad.

And who told you that? Your garbage books? You think the most important job Allah entrusted the Prophet with, he left lying around all over the place in bit and pieces on tree bark, animal skin and bone. Hoping someone after he passed away would go searching all over to collect and compile it into the mushaf?

Oh wait this is exactly what you believe in!

Gimme a goddam break!

 

[Citizen X]

Of ccourse there is one, actually two. I mentioned above.

Nope, try reading it again, says follow the messenger, not the Nabi.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Why thecQuran nor penned down during the life of Prophet Muhammad. How will you follow Prophet Muhammad when there is no Hadees. I
Why didn't Allah say in Quran to follow Allah only but not Prophet Muhammad's messages.

26:105 The people of Noah denied the Messengers
26:106 when their brother Noah said to them, "Will you not be mindful of God?
26:107 I am a trustworthy messenger to you.
26:108 So be mindful of God and obey me.

How do you obey Prophet Noah?

 

[Wake up Pak]

Why thecQuran nor penned down during the life of Prophet Muhammad. How will you follow Prophet Muhammad when there is no Hadees. I
Why didn't Allah say in Quran to follow Allah only but not Prophet Muhammad's messages.

26:123 [The people of] Aad denied the Messengers
26:124 when their brother Hud said to them, "Will you not be mindful of God?
26:125 I am a trustworthy messenger to you,
26:126 so be mindful of God, and obey me.

How do you obey the prophet Hud?

 

[M_Shameer]

You are wrong about the history. In illahbad separate nation was not demanded but it was declared that Muslims and Hindus are different. Confederation was demanded within the same country. It was Nehru who pulled out from this agreement at the last minute. If he hadn't done so, Jinnah had agreed for federation under one country.

It was actually Nehru who became the reason of Indias division.
When Nehru changed his mind and refused confederation, then Jinnah declared that we will divide India.

Watch this small video if you don't believe.

نکتہ یہ نہیں ہے کہ جناح نے تقسیم کا کونسا پلان منظور کیا اور نہرو نے کونسا پلان رد کیا۔ نکتہ یہ ہے کہ مسلمان قوم کے دماغوں میں یہ خناس بھرنے میں جناح اور اقبال جیسے لیڈرز پیش پیش تھے کہ وہ ایک ایسی الگ قوم ہیں جن کا ہندوؤں کے ساتھ رہنا ممکن نہیں، لہذا ان کیلئے الگ خطے ہونے چاہئیں۔ اقبال کی تو پوری شاعری اسی سوچ سے بھری ہوئی ہے کہ "خاص ہے ترکیب میں قومِ رسولِ ہاشمی"۔ یہ دونوں بھائی قومِ رسولِ ہاشمی کیلئے ایسی ہی ریاست چاہتے تھے جیسی کہ پاکستان ہے، اس میں وہ اسلام کے تمام تر تجربے کرنا چاہتے تھے اور اب یہ واقعی اسلام کی تجربہ گاہ بن چکا ہے۔ اسلام کا کونسا تجربہ ہے جو ابھی تک پاکستان میں نہیں ہوا، اب تو تجربوں کی انتہا پر پہنچ چکا ہے کہ ہر روز کسی نہ کسی کو گستاخ یا کافر قرار دے کر زندہ جلایا ہوتا ہے۔۔​

 

[M_Shameer]

Next you'll say that Allah should not have sent the Quran down to the Prophet because look at Muslims today...............................Oh wait you already think that!

For your kind information Quran was never sent by any God, it is a book of Muhammad by the Muhammad for the Muhammad...

کسی دانشور نے کیا خوب کہا ہے، آسمانی کتابوں جیسی کوئی چیز نہیں ہوتی، آسمان پر پرنٹنگ پریس نہیں لگی ہوئی، تمام کتابیں زمین پر ہی لکھی، چھاپی اور ایجاد کی جاتی ہیں۔۔۔​

 

[Cyber_Security]

[5:92] You shall obey GOD, and you shall obey the messenger, and beware. If you turn away, then know that the sole duty of our messenger is to deliver the message efficiently.

You acknowledge God said obey the Messenger. How do you obey the Messenger in your daily life this is my question to you and Citizen X. Let me tell you how I obey the Messenger. I eat with my right hand as he instructed. I recite Bismillah first. I do Vuzu as he instructed . I prayed as he instructed. Quran doesnt tell how to pray Namaz.
Now I repeat the question, As Allah ask us to obey Prophet. How do you obey him. And how did you obey him today. Anything following in Quran is following Allahs commands. How does obey Prophet?

 

[Cyber_Security]

نکتہ یہ نہیں ہے کہ جناح نے تقسیم کا کونسا پلان منظور کیا اور نہرو نے کونسا پلان رد کیا۔ نکتہ یہ ہے کہ مسلمان قوم کے دماغوں میں یہ خناس بھرنے میں جناح اور اقبال جیسے لیڈرز پیش پیش تھے کہ وہ ایک ایسی الگ قوم ہیں جن کا ہندوؤں کے ساتھ رہنا ممکن نہیں، لہذا ان کیلئے الگ خطے ہونے چاہئیں۔ اقبال کی تو پوری شاعری اسی سوچ سے بھری ہوئی ہے کہ "خاص ہے ترکیب میں قومِ رسولِ ہاشمی"۔ یہ دونوں بھائی قومِ رسولِ ہاشمی کیلئے ایسی ہی ریاست چاہتے تھے جیسی کہ پاکستان ہے، اس میں وہ اسلام کے تمام تر تجربے کرنا چاہتے تھے اور اب یہ واقعی اسلام کی تجربہ گاہ بن چکا ہے۔ اسلام کا کونسا تجربہ ہے جو ابھی تک پاکستان میں نہیں ہوا، اب تو تجربوں کی انتہا پر پہنچ چکا ہے کہ ہر روز کسی نہ کسی کو گستاخ یا کافر قرار دے کر زندہ جلایا ہوتا ہے۔۔​

But there was nothing wrong in it. Even today Azad Kashmir have a separate government but one Army. That could have been done in India. Imagine one army would have made India so powerful. And Muslims would have enjoyed their own government. Nehru ruined it. Now there are two neighboring countries which have nuclear technology and they want to kill each other.

 

[Citizen X]

rest of the Muslim world is a bunch of dumb idiots.

6:116 If you were to obey most of those on earth, they would lead you away from Allah’s Way. They follow nothing but assumptions and do nothing but lie

12:106 And most of them do not believe in Allah without associating others with Him ˹in worship˺

Did you ever realized that God only blessed you two with intelligence

Absolutely not, the first Muslims started off believing only in the Quran because the hadith hadn't been invented yet. In fact you beloved hadith did not even exist for centuries after the Prophet passed only when stupid imams and mullahs came in after the first few generations of the Muslims passed away they started to bring in these fairytales, mostly as a political tool but through out history there have been people who have rejected your fairytales and now this movement back to the real Islam is growing day by day.

 

[Wake up Pak]

I prayed as he instructed. Quran doesnt tell how to pray Namaz.

If the Quran does not instruct us on how to pray Namaz, then obviously there is no Namaz. If Allah wanted us to perform Namaz, he would have given us the details.
You have to understand that the Quranic verses are clear and that the Quran is complete & detailed.

 

[Citizen X]

I prayed as he instructed.

Please quote me the hadith where step by step detailed instructions are given to perform your 5 times daily namaz. Starting with the first takbeer of Fajr to the last salam of Isha. I'll be waiting.