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protek

MPA (400+ posts)

اول تو یہ تحقیق ہونا باقی ہے کہ روسی جہاز نے ترکی کے بین الاقوامی بارڈر کی خلاف ورزی کی تھی یا نہیں۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔
لیکن یہ بھی ایک حقیقت ہے کہ ترکی نے شام کے بحران کا فائدہ اُٹھا کر اپنا بارڈر شام کے اندر تک بڑھا لیا ہے اور نیا خود ساختہ بارڈر قائم کیا ہوا ہے۔
یہ بھی یاد رہے کہ ترکی اس سے پہلے دو شامی جنگی جہاز بھی اسی بہانے اور الزام سے گرا چکا ہے کہ اُنھوں نے ترکی کے بارڈر کو کراس کیا ہے۔ جبکہ شامی جنگی جہاز اُس وقت دہشت گردوں کے تعاقب میں تھا۔ اب یہ پہیلی کون حل کرے گا کہ اگر شامی جنگی جہاز داعشی اور النصرہ فرنٹ کے دہشت گردوں کے تعاقب میں غلطی سے ترکی کا بارڈر کراس کر بیٹھا تھا جس کا خمیازہ اُسے تباہی کی صورت میں برداشت کرنا پڑا لیکن اُن دہشت گردوں کے بارے میں کوئی خبر نہیں آئی کہ ترکی نے اُن کے ساتھ کیا سلوک کیا جن کے تعاقب میں شامی جنگی جہاز ترکی کا بارڈر کراس کر بیٹھے۔؟؟؟؟
اور یہ دہشت گرد ترکی کے بارڈر پر کیا کر رہے تھے؟؟؟
کیا ترکی اُن کے خلاف کوئی کاروائی نہیں کرتا؟؟؟؟
کیا اُنھیں آزادانہ بارڈر کراس کرنے کی اجازت ہے۔ ؟؟؟؟
شام میں داعش اور دوسرے جہادیوں کے زیادہ تر مقبوضہ علاقے ترکی، اردن اور اسرائیل کے بارڈر کے نزدیک ہی کیوں ہیں؟؟؟؟
ترکی کی سرحد پر شامی سرحدی علاقے کوبانی کی جنگ بھی یاد رہے ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔


Russia Violated Turkish Airspace Because Turkey Moved Its Border


By SyrianFreePress

Global Research, November 24, 2015
SyrianFreePress 6 October 2015



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This article originally published on October 7, 2015 is of utmost relevance in understanding the action taken by Turkey to down a Russian jet fighter over Syria airspace. (GR. Editor. M. Ch.)



One Russian plane may even indeed have slightly crossed the border [in October] while maneuvering. But the real reason why the U.S. military official and Turkey claim the above violations is because Turkey unilaterally moved the Turkish-Syrian border five miles south:

Turkey has maintained a buffer zone five miles inside Syria since June 2012, when a Syrian air defense missile shot down a Turkish fighter plane that had strayed into Syrian airspace. Under revised rules of engagement put in effect then, the Turkish air force would evaluate any target coming within five miles of the Turkish border as an enemy and act accordingly.




If Syrian rules of engagement would move its northern border up to the Black Sea would any plane in eastern Turkey be in violation of Syrian air space? No one would accept such nonsense and that is why no one should accept the U.S.-Turkish bullshit here. Russian planes should not respect the new Turkish defined border but only the legitimate one


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Russia Violated Turkish Airspace Because Turkey Moved Its Border

Russian planes in Syria violated Turkish air space the news agency currently tell us. But an earlier report shows that this claim may well be wrong and that the U.S. pushes Turkey to release such propaganda.
Reuters (Mon Oct 5, 2015 7:54am BST): Turkey says Russian warplane violated its airspace

A Russian warplane violated Turkish airspace near the Syrian border on Saturday, prompting the Air Force to scramble two F-16 jets to intercept it, the Foreign Ministry said on Monday.The Foreign Ministry summoned Moscows ambassador to protest the violation, according to an e-mailed statement. Turkey urged Russia to avoid repeating such a violation, or it would be held responsible for any undesired incident that may occur.



AFP (10:20am 5 Oct 2015): Turkey intercepts Russian jet violating its air space

Turkey said on Monday its F-16 jets had at the weekend intercepted a Russian fighter plane which violated Turkish air space near the Syrian border, forcing the aircraft to turn back.


Turkey said on Monday its F-16 jets had at the weekend intercepted a Russian fighter plane which violated Turkish air space near the Syrian border, forcing the aircraft to turn back.





Here now what McClatchy reported on these air space violations in a longer piece several hours before Reuters and AFP reported the Turkish claim:

ISTANBUL A Russian warplane on a bombing run in Syria flew within five miles of the Turkish border and may have crossed into Turkeys air space, Turkish and U.S. officials said Sunday.


A Turkish security official said Turkish radar locked onto the Russian aircraft as it was bombing early Friday in al Yamdiyyah, a Syrian village directly on the Turkish border. He said Turkish fighter jets would have attacked had it crossed into Turkish airspace.But a U.S. military official suggested the incident had come close to sparking an armed confrontation. Reading from a report, he said the Russian aircraft had violated Turkish air space by five miles and that Turkish jets had scrambled, but that the Russian aircraft had returned to Syrian airspace before they could respond.The Turkish security official said he could not confirm that account.






So it is the U.S., not Turkey, which was first pushing the claims of air space violation and of scrambling fighters. The Turkish source would not confirm that.

But how could it be a real air space violation when Russian planes flew within five miles of the Turkish border and may have crossed into Turkeys air space. The Russian planes were flying in Syrian airspace. They may have crossed is like saying that the earth may be flat. Well maybe it is, right?
Fact is the Russians fly ery near to the border and bomb position of some anti-Syrian fighters Turkey supports. They have good reasons to do so:

The town, in a mountainous region of northern Latakia province, has been a prime route for smuggling people and goods between Turkey and Syria and reportedly has functioned as a key entry for weapons shipped to Syrian rebels by the U.S.-led Friends of Syria group of Western and Middle Eastern countries.






One Russian plane may even indeed have slightly crossed the border while maneuvering. But the real reason why the U.S. military official and Turkey claim the above violations is because Turkey unilaterally moved the Turkish-Syrian border five miles south:
Turkey has maintained a buffer zone five miles inside Syria since June 2012, when a Syrian air defense missile shot down a Turkish fighter plane that had strayed into Syrian airspace. Under revised rules of engagement put in effect then, the Turkish air force would evaluate any target coming within five miles of the Turkish border as an enemy and act accordingly.






If Syrian rules of engagement would move its northern border up to the Black Sea would any plane in eastern Turkey be in violation of Syrian air space? No one would accept such nonsense and that is why no one should accept the U.S.-Turkish bullshit here. Russian planes should not respect the new Turkish defined border but only the legitimate one.
It would also be no good reason to start a NATO-Russia war just because such a plane might at times slightly intrude on the Turkish side due to an emergency or other accidental circumstances. Do we have to mention that the U.S., France, Britain and Jordan regularly violate Syrian airspace for their pretended ISIS bombing? That Turkey is bombing the PKK in north Iraq without the permission of the Iraqi government? What about Israels regular air space violations over Lebanon?



But what is this all really about? Germany, the Netherlands and the U.S. stationed some Patriot air defense systems in Turkey to defend Turkey and its Islamist storm troops in north-Syria. These systems were announced to leave or have already left. Are these claims about air-space violation now an attempt to get these systems back into Turkey? For what real purpose?


Notes:
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2015/10/russia-violates-turkish-airspace-because-turkey-moved-its-border.html



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Believer12

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
کچھ لوگوں کو اب ترکی سے بھی خوف آنے لگا ہے ، یہ ہی لوگ کہتے ہیں کہ مسلمان کمزور ہیں اور جواب نہیں دے سکتے ، پوری مغربی نے پوری اسلامی دنیا کو آگے لگایا ہوا ہے ، جس کا توڑ ایران جیسا انقلابی اور امریکا مخالف بھی نہیں کر سکا ، اب ترکی کو کوسنے سنانے سے ان لوگوں کو کیا حاصل ہونا ہے ، انتظار کیجئے ، یہ بزدل کل پاکستان پر کوئی حملہ کرتا ہے تو اس کو بھی ڈرائیں گے ، پاکستان نے روس کو جو ناکوں چنے چبوائے ہیں ، وہ بھولا نہیں ، ترکی بھی پہلے والا ترکی نہیں جو مغرب کی آنکھ کا تارا تھا وہ اپنے فیصلے خود کرتا ہے ، یہ ہی پیغام اس نے روس کو دیا ہے

کیا فائدہ ایسی عقل سے عاری بہادری کا ؟ میں ڈرا نہیں رہا عقل کی بات سکھا رہا ہوں، آپ جھارے کو چیلنج کرنے کے بعد لازمی کسی آرتھوپیڈک کے پاس لے جاۓ جاو گے کیونکہ آپ نے اپنی طاقت سے سو گنا بڑے پہلوان کو للکارا ہوگا
ایسی بے وقوفانہ بہادری کا انجام ہم دیکھ چکے جب صدام حسین ایک گڑھے سے برآمد کیا گیا قذافی ایک سیوریج پائپ سے ملا جبکہ ملا عمر کو موٹر سائیکل پر کابل سے فرار ہونا پڑا ،ترکی کی حکومت نے نیٹو کی شہ پر پنگا لیا ہے ورنہ اب تک روس کا جوابی محبت نامہ موصول ہوچکا ہوتا
 

desicad

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I find most people hating on Kurds either are blindly in love with Turkish government or use the actions of a few violent Kurds to label all the kurds terrorists....and we should be siding with the Kurds on this one as the Turkish government has not treated them well!
Kurds are a different ethnic group and even though the majority is sunni, culturally and linguistically they are much closer to the Iranian people.
 
There is not doubt Turkey and US are involve in backing terrorism in Syria and the downing of Russian plane was pre-plan by Turkey and US. Unfortunately Muslim countries are helping non-Muslim countries to create disturbance in Middle-east particularly in Syria from many years.
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