طالبان کا لائحہ عمل
کیا طالبان اور القاعدہ کا کوئی لائحہ عمل ہے؟ دوسرے الفاظ میں کیا کوئی باظابطہ نظام ہے؟
کیا طالبان اور القاعدہ کا کوئی لائحہ عمل ہے؟ دوسرے الفاظ میں کیا کوئی باظابطہ نظام ہے؟
طالبان کا لائحہ عمل
Wadaich
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
What do U mean by Taliban? Afghan or Pakistani TTP.
If U mean TTP and Al-Qaida then U may refer to CIA/MI6/RAW/MOSSAD headquarters for the requisite information.
If U mean Afghan Taliban.. ..then U must not ask this question.. ..their strategy had triumphed over the satanic/zionist forces. They are on the run with their tails in hid legs.
If U mean TTP and Al-Qaida then U may refer to CIA/MI6/RAW/MOSSAD headquarters for the requisite information.
If U mean Afghan Taliban.. ..then U must not ask this question.. ..their strategy had triumphed over the satanic/zionist forces. They are on the run with their tails in hid legs.
Queue Farms
Banned
no spreading chaos unless they get power
Mojo-jojo
Minister (2k+ posts)
Ignoring our heroes; honouring our enemies
[h=1]Ignoring our heroes; honouring our enemies[/h] By Kamran Shafi
Published: February 28, 2013
The writer is a columnist, a former major of the Pakistan Army and served as press secretary to Benazir Bhutto [email protected]
I am gobsmacked! An Associated Press (AP) story titled: Fight, fight and keep fighting: Defiance of Pakistani soldiers maimed by Taliban stirs pride in countrys only rehabilitation clinic was published in the United Kingdoms Daily Mail newspaper on August 25, 2011. I came to know of it when someone sent it to me by email just the other day, two and a half years later!
It says: Of the 7,000 soldiers wounded in the War on Terror many have had their limbs blown off or been severely handicapped due to brain injuries. Captain Qasim Abbas had finished a six-month stint fighting the Taliban close to the Afghan border and was heading home to get engaged when the militants struck, ambushing his convoy, pitching his vehicle off a 90-foot cliff and leaving him with brain injuries that make speaking and walking a daily battle.
The report goes on: Abbas and the other soldiers recovering at Pakistans only military rehabilitation hospital are a testament to the human toll from Pakistans fight against Islamist militants. Their plight receives little attention from Pakistani politicians, possibly because they are afraid of associating themselves with an unpopular fight that many citizens see as driven by the United States.
Fight, fight, keep fighting, Abbas said slowly but with purpose when asked if he had a message for his colleagues still battling the Taliban. He raised his fist in the air to drive home his point.
Captain Kaleem Nasar was part of an operation elsewhere in the northwest in January of this year when he stepped on a bomb. The explosion blew off one of his legs, and the other had to be amputated below the knee. He visited the rehab hospital recently so doctors could work on his artificial limbs. Despite his injuries, he does not regret going to war against the Taliban and hopes he can return to active duty.
I am satisfied I have done something for my country, said the 27-year-old soldier. If I can go back to that area and serve my country, God willing I will. But Major-General Waheed, the head of the hospital, is worried that Pakistani troops wounded in battle dont receive enough recognition in the country. None of Pakistans civilian leaders or other politicians have visited the hospital in the five years he has been running it, he said.
They need much more recognition because they have done so much sacrifice for the cause, said Waheed (who) contrasted the lack of political attention in Pakistan with a visit he made to Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in the US. He was there for only five days but saw a stream of officials and reporters come to the facility to meet with US soldiers wounded in Afghanistan and Iraq, he said.
Now then, how very shameful is it that not one political leader has visited the facility that rehabilitates brave young men like Captains Qasim Abbas and Kaleem Nasar, and many other officers and men similarly handicapped by the War on Terror? Far more than this, why has this story not been covered by our media, even official? Might I here and now ask the good Murtaza Solangi, the brilliant DG of Radio Pakistan, and the people over at PTV to immediately do the needful to honour these heroes and inform the country of their sacrifice?
However, while we heap scorn on politicians and bloody civilians, we must not lose sight of the fact that the War on Terror has been bad-mouthed, there is no more suitable word, by the Deep State through its own organs, as well as through its paid journalists in the extreme right media, both electronic and print.
Every single day, there are reams written on how this war has been thrust upon our poor country with nary a thought to the fact that the Pakistani Deep State is the Mai Baap (the Mother and the Father) of the extremists who are running riot in the country and killing and maiming our soldiers and civilians alike.
Indeed, the unceasing propaganda (with no supporting evidence whatsoever), that foreign powers are running the TTP adds to the confusion in the minds of lay Pakistanis. This especially when the Taliban are one day portrayed as foreign-inspired killers and the very next, as the saviours of Islam fighting the infidel. It is little wonder then that polls conducted on these matters show wildly different results in successive weeks.
It is high time that we Pakistanis realised our hour-glass is running out rather fast; that a huge miscalculation has been made as to the consistency of the sand which is running through it. It is time we got together and realised that this is a fight for the very soul of this country. Let me belabour the point: make no mistake that the enemy is within us and is threatening to take over our very lives. If anyone has any doubts, let her or him read the young and intrepid Munizae Jehangir interviewing Syed Mohammad Akbar Agha, the chief negotiator of the Afghan Taliban in this newspaper of record of February 28, 2013. Just two points made by Akbar Agha should send the shivers up the geniuses (aka the Rommels and the Guderians) who control Pakistans foreign and security policies, and up those politicians, who are falling over one another advocating immediate talks with the terrorists.
One, that enforcement of the Talibans hard-line version of Sharia was not negotiable. And two, that Akbar Agha also indirectly condoned the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP)s bloody insurgency. Pakistani Taliban only retaliate against their government in support of their Afghan namesakes, he said, adding that the Afghan Taliban would always support them.
So then, friends, the games are about to begin, only this time, the Afghan Taliban and their Pakistani (and Chechen, and Uighur, and Somali, and Arab, and Egyptian, and Uzbek, and Tajik) cousins will be far better armed and mounted than the last time around.
I do not think anyone is listening, by the by
Published in The Express Tribune, March 1[SUP]st[/SUP], 2013.
[h=1]Ignoring our heroes; honouring our enemies[/h] By Kamran Shafi
Published: February 28, 2013
The writer is a columnist, a former major of the Pakistan Army and served as press secretary to Benazir Bhutto [email protected]
I am gobsmacked! An Associated Press (AP) story titled: Fight, fight and keep fighting: Defiance of Pakistani soldiers maimed by Taliban stirs pride in countrys only rehabilitation clinic was published in the United Kingdoms Daily Mail newspaper on August 25, 2011. I came to know of it when someone sent it to me by email just the other day, two and a half years later!
It says: Of the 7,000 soldiers wounded in the War on Terror many have had their limbs blown off or been severely handicapped due to brain injuries. Captain Qasim Abbas had finished a six-month stint fighting the Taliban close to the Afghan border and was heading home to get engaged when the militants struck, ambushing his convoy, pitching his vehicle off a 90-foot cliff and leaving him with brain injuries that make speaking and walking a daily battle.
The report goes on: Abbas and the other soldiers recovering at Pakistans only military rehabilitation hospital are a testament to the human toll from Pakistans fight against Islamist militants. Their plight receives little attention from Pakistani politicians, possibly because they are afraid of associating themselves with an unpopular fight that many citizens see as driven by the United States.
Fight, fight, keep fighting, Abbas said slowly but with purpose when asked if he had a message for his colleagues still battling the Taliban. He raised his fist in the air to drive home his point.
Captain Kaleem Nasar was part of an operation elsewhere in the northwest in January of this year when he stepped on a bomb. The explosion blew off one of his legs, and the other had to be amputated below the knee. He visited the rehab hospital recently so doctors could work on his artificial limbs. Despite his injuries, he does not regret going to war against the Taliban and hopes he can return to active duty.
I am satisfied I have done something for my country, said the 27-year-old soldier. If I can go back to that area and serve my country, God willing I will. But Major-General Waheed, the head of the hospital, is worried that Pakistani troops wounded in battle dont receive enough recognition in the country. None of Pakistans civilian leaders or other politicians have visited the hospital in the five years he has been running it, he said.
They need much more recognition because they have done so much sacrifice for the cause, said Waheed (who) contrasted the lack of political attention in Pakistan with a visit he made to Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in the US. He was there for only five days but saw a stream of officials and reporters come to the facility to meet with US soldiers wounded in Afghanistan and Iraq, he said.
Now then, how very shameful is it that not one political leader has visited the facility that rehabilitates brave young men like Captains Qasim Abbas and Kaleem Nasar, and many other officers and men similarly handicapped by the War on Terror? Far more than this, why has this story not been covered by our media, even official? Might I here and now ask the good Murtaza Solangi, the brilliant DG of Radio Pakistan, and the people over at PTV to immediately do the needful to honour these heroes and inform the country of their sacrifice?
However, while we heap scorn on politicians and bloody civilians, we must not lose sight of the fact that the War on Terror has been bad-mouthed, there is no more suitable word, by the Deep State through its own organs, as well as through its paid journalists in the extreme right media, both electronic and print.
Every single day, there are reams written on how this war has been thrust upon our poor country with nary a thought to the fact that the Pakistani Deep State is the Mai Baap (the Mother and the Father) of the extremists who are running riot in the country and killing and maiming our soldiers and civilians alike.
Indeed, the unceasing propaganda (with no supporting evidence whatsoever), that foreign powers are running the TTP adds to the confusion in the minds of lay Pakistanis. This especially when the Taliban are one day portrayed as foreign-inspired killers and the very next, as the saviours of Islam fighting the infidel. It is little wonder then that polls conducted on these matters show wildly different results in successive weeks.
It is high time that we Pakistanis realised our hour-glass is running out rather fast; that a huge miscalculation has been made as to the consistency of the sand which is running through it. It is time we got together and realised that this is a fight for the very soul of this country. Let me belabour the point: make no mistake that the enemy is within us and is threatening to take over our very lives. If anyone has any doubts, let her or him read the young and intrepid Munizae Jehangir interviewing Syed Mohammad Akbar Agha, the chief negotiator of the Afghan Taliban in this newspaper of record of February 28, 2013. Just two points made by Akbar Agha should send the shivers up the geniuses (aka the Rommels and the Guderians) who control Pakistans foreign and security policies, and up those politicians, who are falling over one another advocating immediate talks with the terrorists.
One, that enforcement of the Talibans hard-line version of Sharia was not negotiable. And two, that Akbar Agha also indirectly condoned the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP)s bloody insurgency. Pakistani Taliban only retaliate against their government in support of their Afghan namesakes, he said, adding that the Afghan Taliban would always support them.
So then, friends, the games are about to begin, only this time, the Afghan Taliban and their Pakistani (and Chechen, and Uighur, and Somali, and Arab, and Egyptian, and Uzbek, and Tajik) cousins will be far better armed and mounted than the last time around.
I do not think anyone is listening, by the by
Published in The Express Tribune, March 1[SUP]st[/SUP], 2013.
Khanisback
Councller (250+ posts)
grabbing power through violence, terror and religion. have you any doubt?
RAW at its best but still not successful, they think why Pakistani People don't become secular despite all media war, they don't disintegrate despite all RAW supported sectarian terrorism , they don't get the title of failed or terrorist despite all media propaganda, they don't lose courage despite all cooked up blames ...... RAW(the main Indian intelligence agency) does not export terror to Pakistan from India, it rather uses foreign soils for this purpose. These India-backed terrorists are busy doing terrorism in Pakistan for a long time now..... disguising themselves as the new breed of Talibans.... aka TTP.... which came into existence around 2004 after India started its interference in Afghanistan.... it took RAW few years to hire and train these groups and they started their terrorist activities in Pakistan around 2008...... Pakistanis never ever heard of these groups before.... well there was a version of Afghan Taliban which never had any problems with Pakistan... this new version of india-breeded Taliban has killed almost 40000 innocent Pakistani civilians, they also attacked Pakistan Army, Airforce and Navy, bombed Pakistani cities.... killed Pakistan Govt officials and last but not least attacked on Malala........ so how come they're supported by Govt or Intelligence of Pakistan???? off course NOT!!!! They are pro India terrorist groups and they would try their best to harm Pakistan.... in early 2000s, India with an EXCUSE of making reforms in Afghanistan, pledged huge money for it, entered there and started their DIRTY plan.... RAW got a golden chance and trained and supported this breed of terrorists and injected these from Afghan border into Pakistan...... The plan was to use Afghan soil and border for this agenda, so that world wouldn't ever think about if there's any Indian hand behind that terrorism..... RAW named these terrorists as Talibans again, and even used the word "Pakistan" as well so that people would think these are Muslims and pro Pakistan, then used them for all dirty jobs, and the desired result was 1-dafame Islam, 2- harm Afghan Pakistan relationship, 3-divert Pakistan's attention from Kashmir issue, 4-start propaganda that Pakistan's nukes are not safe, 5- Sectarian terrorism to provoke violence.... It was already quite clear from these terrorists' attire to their desire, from their acts to found out facts that these guys are NOT pro Islamic or pro Pakistani. But as lies can not be hidden for long and Its finally exposed that they are NOT Muslims and they are working for anti-Pakistan and anti-Islamic organisations. There are hundreds of proofs out there, help yourself go and Google the facts about these RAW supported terrorists..... even some recently killed ones have satin tattoos on their bodies and were not circumcised..... which is impossible if TTP would really be a religious organisation as its pretended. References: Google (Wikileaks / Wikipedia / Blogs / News Channels / Public Opinion)
Re: Ignoring our heroes; honouring our enemies
The3 media the politicians and the upper leadership of army is responsible for not clearing up who is on the right side and who is on the wrong side. Its a very simple thing. The taliban and all the other extremist forces are fighting us to impose there own rules. We as a nation should have stand up and fought them at every step. But we have not and its not a good picture that has been created.
The3 media the politicians and the upper leadership of army is responsible for not clearing up who is on the right side and who is on the wrong side. Its a very simple thing. The taliban and all the other extremist forces are fighting us to impose there own rules. We as a nation should have stand up and fought them at every step. But we have not and its not a good picture that has been created.
Mullah Omar
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Ignoring our heroes; honouring our enemies
Kamran Shafi and his ilk don't look at the reasons why Taliban are fighting against the Pakistani government. He quoted the chief negotiator of the Afghan Taliban but conveniently left out some parts for example while Akbar Agha did indeed say they support Pakistani Taliban he also condemened attacks against Pakistani civilians saying Pakistani civilians are not responsible for their governments policies. Also some more quotes from the interview:
"However, Akbar Agha claimed that as an Islamic state, it was Pakistans obligation to free the Taliban prisoners and that it was an un-Islamic move on Islamabads part to arrest those waging a jihad and hand them over to the United States for money.
"He accused Pakistan of deceiving the Taliban and said that it should release all Taliban prisoners unconditionally, consider Afghanistan as a brotherly country and make sincere efforts to solve its problems."
The fact is we backstabbed the Afghan Taliban and are now paying for our mistakes. It is time we realise this and make up with the Afghan Taliban. Seculars like Kamran Shafi, because of their hatred for islam and islamists, won't be happy until islamist ideology is dead or becomes irrelevant that's why they want Pakistan army to fight until Taliban are completely obliterated no matter what the cost is. Ironically Kamran Shafi is a staunch supporter of peace with India and blames Pakistan military for all the problems when it comes to India. This @sshole doesn't even care about Kashmir. I hope our establishment does not listen to these type of traitorous scumbags.
Kamran Shafi and his ilk don't look at the reasons why Taliban are fighting against the Pakistani government. He quoted the chief negotiator of the Afghan Taliban but conveniently left out some parts for example while Akbar Agha did indeed say they support Pakistani Taliban he also condemened attacks against Pakistani civilians saying Pakistani civilians are not responsible for their governments policies. Also some more quotes from the interview:
"However, Akbar Agha claimed that as an Islamic state, it was Pakistans obligation to free the Taliban prisoners and that it was an un-Islamic move on Islamabads part to arrest those waging a jihad and hand them over to the United States for money.
"He accused Pakistan of deceiving the Taliban and said that it should release all Taliban prisoners unconditionally, consider Afghanistan as a brotherly country and make sincere efforts to solve its problems."
The fact is we backstabbed the Afghan Taliban and are now paying for our mistakes. It is time we realise this and make up with the Afghan Taliban. Seculars like Kamran Shafi, because of their hatred for islam and islamists, won't be happy until islamist ideology is dead or becomes irrelevant that's why they want Pakistan army to fight until Taliban are completely obliterated no matter what the cost is. Ironically Kamran Shafi is a staunch supporter of peace with India and blames Pakistan military for all the problems when it comes to India. This @sshole doesn't even care about Kashmir. I hope our establishment does not listen to these type of traitorous scumbags.
Bechain_Rooh
Voter (50+ posts)
the present talk of dialogue with taliban by govt is just to buy time so that the secular parties leaders can safely run their election campaign(for which they will have to come out of their security castles).you will see that immediately after the elections a big operation will be launched against islamists throughout pakistan (no matter which party wins,as real rulers are always behind the scenes).and this fact taliban etc know very well according to recent reports
Re: Ignoring our heroes; honouring our enemies
you live in a country which has killed millions of muslims in last decade alone.and still dare to criticise mujahideen.
one thing that you people and your master america cant change is the promise of Allah.if taliban and mujahideen are on path of Allah than you and your america can never stop their ultimate victory,whatever you do.full stop!
you live in a country which has killed millions of muslims in last decade alone.and still dare to criticise mujahideen.
one thing that you people and your master america cant change is the promise of Allah.if taliban and mujahideen are on path of Allah than you and your america can never stop their ultimate victory,whatever you do.full stop!
Re: Ignoring our heroes; honouring our enemies
“while Akbar Agha did indeed say they support Pakistani Taliban he also condemned attacks against Pakistani civilians saying Pakistani civilians are not responsible for their governments policies”
یہ بیان خاصہ کونٹریڈیکٹری ہے ۔۔۔ موصوف ایک طرف کہتے ہیں کہ پاکستانی طالبان کی حمایت کرتے ہیں، مگر دوسری جانب فرماتے ہیں کہ پاکستانی شہریوں پر حملوں کی حمایت نہیں کرتے- پاکستانی طالبان تو شہریوں پر لاتعداد حملوں کو تسلیم کر چکے ہیں، تو پھر اس کے باوجود آغا صاحب ان کی حمایت کیوں کرتے ہیں؟
ویسے یہ زیادہ حیرت انگیز بات نہیں ہے ۔۔۔ افغان طالبان خود ملاہ عمر کے جاری کیئے گئے احکمات کونظر انداز کر کے شہریوں کو حلاک کرتے ہیں ۔۔۔ وہ الگ با ت ہے اگر ملاہ عمر نے یہ احکمات صرف دکھاوے کے لیئے جاری کیئے تھے
یہ بیان خاصہ کونٹریڈیکٹری ہے ۔۔۔ موصوف ایک طرف کہتے ہیں کہ پاکستانی طالبان کی حمایت کرتے ہیں، مگر دوسری جانب فرماتے ہیں کہ پاکستانی شہریوں پر حملوں کی حمایت نہیں کرتے- پاکستانی طالبان تو شہریوں پر لاتعداد حملوں کو تسلیم کر چکے ہیں، تو پھر اس کے باوجود آغا صاحب ان کی حمایت کیوں کرتے ہیں؟
ویسے یہ زیادہ حیرت انگیز بات نہیں ہے ۔۔۔ افغان طالبان خود ملاہ عمر کے جاری کیئے گئے احکمات کونظر انداز کر کے شہریوں کو حلاک کرتے ہیں ۔۔۔ وہ الگ با ت ہے اگر ملاہ عمر نے یہ احکمات صرف دکھاوے کے لیئے جاری کیئے تھے
tariisb
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
طالبان یا القائدہ کا کوئی "معین" لاحہ عمل نہیں ، وقت اور ضرورت کے مطابق اصول اور واردات سب ہی بدل جاتا ہے
معاشرے میں بسے اور چھپے جہادی ، کسی ایک متفق سوچ کے ترجمان اور پابند نہیں ،
افغان میں یہی جہادی طبقہ امریکہ کا "دوست" تھا
افغان جنگ کے بعد یہی مقدس گروہ ایک دوسرے کو قتل اور بستیاں اجڑتے رہے
آج پاکستان میں طالبان کا عمل اور نشانہ کوئی اور ، افغانستان میں مجود عسکریت پسندوں کی ترتیب اور مقصد مخلتف
مذہبی جنونیوں کا ایران کے متعلق موقف امریکہ سے زیادہ سخت ، شام میں یہی جہادی سوچ امریکہ اور مغرب کی غلام
الغرض ، وقت کے ساتھ احادیث کی تشریح اور دشمن کی تعریف بھی بدلتی رہتی ہے ،
Mullah Omar
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Ignoring our heroes; honouring our enemies
Afghan Taliban support Pakistani Talibans fight against Pakistani government, not the people. There is no contradiction here.
Afghan Taliban support Pakistani Talibans fight against Pakistani government, not the people. There is no contradiction here.
Re: Ignoring our heroes; honouring our enemies
عجیب بات کرتے ہو یار آپ- آگر افغان طالبان ٹی ٹی پی کی حمایت کرتے ہیں اور ٹی ٹی پی والے پاکستانی شہریوں کا قتل کرتے ہیں ۔۔۔ تو اس کا تو یہی مطلب ہوا کے افغان طالبان پاکستانی شہریوں کو مارنے کی بھی حمایت کرتے ہیں- اور جیسے میں نے پہلے کہا یہ کوئی حیرت کی بات نہیں ہے ۔۔۔ طالبان کی نظروں میں انسان کی جان کی کوئی اہمیت نہیں
Mullah Omar
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Ignoring our heroes; honouring our enemies
janab ajeeb baat to aap ker rahay hain. Jab Afghan Taliban nein keh diya hai k woh Pakistan ki awaam per humloun kay khilaaf hein to aap kis tarah keh rahay hein k woh Pakistani shehrion ko maarnay ki himayat kertay hein? Wo sirf Pakistan ki hookimat kay khilaaf jung ki himayat kertay hein.
janab ajeeb baat to aap ker rahay hain. Jab Afghan Taliban nein keh diya hai k woh Pakistan ki awaam per humloun kay khilaaf hein to aap kis tarah keh rahay hein k woh Pakistani shehrion ko maarnay ki himayat kertay hein? Wo sirf Pakistan ki hookimat kay khilaaf jung ki himayat kertay hein.
Re: Ignoring our heroes; honouring our enemies
اچھا، تو پھر آپ یہ کہہ رہے ہیں کے افغان طالبان ٹی ٹی پی کی حمایت نہیں کرتے کیونکہ ٹی ٹی پی پاکستانی شہریوں پر حملے کرتے ہیں؟ برائے مہربانی اپنا موقف واضح کریں ۔۔۔ ویسے افغان طالبان کی اپنی اٹروسیٹیز کے بارے میں کیا خیال ہے آپ کا؟ مثلا مزار شریف میں 1998 میں شہریوں کا قتل عام؟
نہیں جناب طالبان کا لائحہ عمل موجود ہے۔ طالبان کی لیڈرشپ کی طرف سےاپنے کارکنوں کے لیئۓاحکامات کچھ اس طرح سے ہیں
خود کش حملے کرتے وقت خاص خیال رکھا جائے کہ عام شہریوں کی جان اورمال کو نقصان نہ پہنچے۔
نابالغ بچے 'مجاہدیں' کے گھروں میں نہ رہیں۔
شرعیت کو مد نظر رکھتے ہوئے کسی بھی لاش کی بے حرمتی کو نہ جائز قراردیا۔
اغوا برائے تاوان کی سختی سے ممانعت ہے۔
وغیرہ وغیرہ ۔۔۔۔۔
طالبان کے لیڈران کے جہادی اصول اور انکے کارکنوں کےعمل میں زمین آسمان کا فرق ہے اور ان احکامات کی توہین کرنے پر بھی کسی کی کوئی پوچھ گچھ نہیںحالانکہ انہی کی حکمت عملی یہ بھی کہتی ہے کہ جوسربراہ ان احکامات کی پابندی نہ کریں انکے خلاف اقدام لیا جائے گا۔ لیکن آج تک تو سننے میں نہیں آیا کہ کسی بھی سربراہ یا کارکن کو ان احکامات کی خلاف ورزی کی سزا ملی ہو۔
تویہ نہ کہیں کہ طالبان کا کوئی لائحہ عمل نہیں بلکہ یہ کہیے کہ ہے تو لیکن صرف بناوسنگھار کے لیئے۔
