A good article on the futility of the "Startegic Depth" doctrine of the Pakistan Army.

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Moby Dick of strategic depth


by Farooq Sulehria

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Old Eskimos had a clever technique for hunting wolves. They would plant a bloody knife in the snow. Lured by the smell of blood, the wolves would approach the knife and lick the blade, cutting their tongues. Without realizing that they were drinking their own blood, wolves would continue licking until they had bled to death.

The strategic depth doctrine Pakistan's military adopted back in 1980s, is proving Eskimos'knife for Pakistan. In the first place, this imperialist doctrine is ethically as repugnant as US occupation of Afghanistan. What is even dangerous about Moby Dick of strategic depth our Khaki Captain Ahabs are chasing, is the inability of Pequod (Taliban) to cast anchor at Kabul. Back in 1997, objective conditions favoured GHQ-sponsored Taliban's seizure of Kabul. It remains Pakistan military's sole victory at an external front. A disinterested USA welcomed Taliban's arrival in Kabul. To quote New York Times, the ''State Department was touting the Taliban as the group that might finally bring stability''. A US diplomat, Jon Holtzman, was advised to visit Kabul. Trip was, however, cancelled after media kerfuffle about women rights. Still $125 million were granted in aid ( largest foreign aid). The State Department maintained secret correspondence with Taliban regime. At the time, media were replete with rumours regarding US-backing for Taliban. Unlike the anti-US image Taliban have cultivated in recent years, they were also pretty cozy with infidel Uncle Sam. The US rationale for Taliban support was not merely an over-publicised gas pipeline project that Unocal wanted to pursue. Clinton Administration, it was rumoured, had Iran in mind while welcoming Taliban. Whether these rumours were true or not, Taliban's second major sponsor, Riyadh, definitely wanted to contain Iran through staunchly anti-Shia Taliban. Thus, all three infamous As that matter in Pakistan i.e. Army, America and Allah (represented here by Riyadh here) were united in seeking, by default, cherished strategic depth. Equally important was the turmoil in Russia and Central Asian Republics (CARs). Following the Soviet dissolution, new regimes in Russia and CARs were struggling to consolidate. Most importantly, Afghans were desperate for peace after years of brutal infighting among Mujahideen gangs. Hoping against hope, at least a section of Afghans pinned their hopes in Taliban even if it meant sacrificing civil liberties.

Fifteen years on, odds are stubbornly going against Taliban. The USA is not merely on the other side of the fence, it in fact is guarding (no matter how unsuccessfully) the fence. Saudi royals, one of them personally humiliated by Mullah Omar on the question of Osama's expulsion, would find it imprudent to annoy Washington by patronising Taliban. Regimes in CARs and Russia, dealing with confessional militancy, would not sit idle in the face of Taliban take over of Kabul. Pakistan's all-weather friend China, facing Uighur uprising, has publicly expressed her disapproval of Taliban. Most importantly, big majority of Afghans, particularly non-Pakhtuns constituting almost 55 percent of the population, having lived Taliban nightmare are not ready to experience it one more time. Though Pakistan's media Mujahideen have pretty successfully painted Taliban as popular peace-harbingers ( in 90s) and popular liberation force (2001 onwards) yet Afghan perception of Taliban is different. Opinion polls find Taliban's popularity below ten percent. Hence, Taliban march on Kabul, by proxy providing strategic depth to Pakistan, may not be resisted by the USA, Iran, India, China, CARs and Russia but by most Afghans including Pakhtuns. Most likely, unable to recapture Kabul, Taliban would march on Islamabad. Indications are already there. Thus Islamabad instead of reaching strategic depth, will most likely embrace a strategic death.

http://www.viewpointonline.net/moby-dick-of-strategic-depth/Print.html
 

anyie1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Stupid analysis. our army is much more intelligent then as people think of,,, America came to Afghanistan thinking they will drop a couple of daisy cutters and take away Pakistani nukes. for the last 10 years Pakistan ISI and army is dragging them in the mountains of Afghanistan and they still don't know where to go,, it is war and these suicide attacks and blasts are a part of war.. just keep siting and wait,, i am sure the time has come when we will come out of this mess and will be winners. don't forget ISI broke Russia,, and i will not hesitate to say that our cobra ISI will be the reason of demise of USA , Inshaallah
 

crowbar

Senator (1k+ posts)
Stupid analysis. our army is much more intelligent then as people think of,,, America came to Afghanistan thinking they will drop a couple of daisy cutters and take away Pakistani nukes. for the last 10 years Pakistan ISI and army is dragging them in the mountains of Afghanistan and they still don't know where to go,, it is war and these suicide attacks and blasts are a part of war.. just keep siting and wait,, i am sure the time has come when we will come out of this mess and will be winners. don't forget ISI broke Russia,, and i will not hesitate to say that our cobra ISI will be the reason of demise of USA , Inshaallah[/QUOTE
KASHMIR ko to bacha nahi sakey chaley hain AMERICA ko torney. Es COBRA ne achay bhaley mulk ko jahanam bana diya.
 

M Ali Khan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Kashmir ko chorro...EAST PAKISTAN ko nah bacha sakey!!!

Stupid analysis. our army is much more intelligent then as people think of,,, America came to Afghanistan thinking they will drop a couple of daisy cutters and take away Pakistani nukes. for the last 10 years Pakistan ISI and army is dragging them in the mountains of Afghanistan and they still don't know where to go,, it is war and these suicide attacks and blasts are a part of war.. just keep siting and wait,, i am sure the time has come when we will come out of this mess and will be winners. don't forget ISI broke Russia,, and i will not hesitate to say that our cobra ISI will be the reason of demise of USA , Inshaallah
only because of CIA support and money/madrassahs from Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Kuwait!!!!

you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. no wonder we have made a mess of Afghanistan for over 20 years after Russia left. yeh khamakha ki faaltoo naarey bazi chorro aur samajhlo k HUM NEY HII APNI QABAR KHODEE HAI AUR APNEY AAP KO HII DAFNA RAHEY HAIN....
 

strings

Voter (50+ posts)
Stupid analysis. our army is much more intelligent then as people think of,,, America came to Afghanistan thinking they will drop a couple of daisy cutters and take away Pakistani nukes. for the last 10 years Pakistan ISI and army is dragging them in the mountains of Afghanistan and they still don't know where to go,, it is war and these suicide attacks and blasts are a part of war.. just keep siting and wait,, i am sure the time has come when we will come out of this mess and will be winners. don't forget ISI broke Russia,, and i will not hesitate to say that our cobra ISI will be the reason of demise of USA , Inshaallah

LOL! ye maira bhai garmi mein kharaab ho gaya hai :lol:
wakey wakey boy!
subha hogayi mamu....ab tou neend se jaago ramu :)
 

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Stupid analysis. our army is much more intelligent then as people think of,,, America came to Afghanistan thinking they will drop a couple of daisy cutters and take away Pakistani nukes. for the last 10 years Pakistan ISI and army is dragging them in the mountains of Afghanistan and they still don't know where to go,, it is war and these suicide attacks and blasts are a part of war.. just keep siting and wait,, i am sure the time has come when we will come out of this mess and will be winners. don't forget ISI broke Russia,, and i will not hesitate to say that our cobra ISI will be the reason of demise of USA , Inshaallah

After the fall of the USSR, they didnt go about on a revenge spree. They went about changing their systems and now once again they are poised to become a major player on the world stage.The Soviet Federation has broken up but all the free countries are proxy/client states of Russia and take direct orders from Putin on how to formulate their policies. So the 'great job' the ISI did hasnt lasted for more than 25 years even. The Russians are now actively supporting separatist movement in Baluchistan. They waited for their chance and now they are striking back. Good luck with that.

Another thing we overlook is that 'losing' in a war is a very relative term. The US lost in Vietnam because they couldnt consolidate their position and couldnt hold on for long. Yet they messed up the country so badly that the scars remain to this day. People lose their lives from unexploded buried ammo in the fields of Vietnam everyday. The ill effects of 'Agent Orange' or Napalm bombing are still present.
I wonder if Vietnam really 'won' the war!!

Similarly in Afghanistan, the Russians couldnt consolidate yet the effect of their invasion lasts to this day. Russia is coming back as a major power while Afghanistan is a wasteland. There is a superlative left to describe how badly ruined their country is today. Im sure the Americans will also leave without gaining much but what they will leave behind will be anything but victory for the Afghans.

This isnt a game of cricket where you win when you score the final run or take the final wicket.