Can Dead Hear in Their Grave? (کیا مردے اپنی قبر میں سنتے ہیں)

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Cheeko

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[FONT=verdana,geneva]Narated By AbudDarda:

The Apostle of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said: Among the most excellent of your days is Friday; so invoke many blessings on me that day, for your blessing will be submitted to me. They (the Companions) asked: Apostle of Allah, how can our blessing be submitted to you, when your body is decayed? He said: Allah has prohibited the earth from consuming the bodies of the Prophets. [Sunan Ibn Maja Volume 001: Hadith Number 1626:]
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Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said: I found myself in Hijr and the Quraish were asking me about my might journey. I was asked about things pertaining to Bait-ul-Maqdis which I could not preserve (in my mind). I was very much vexed, so vexed as I had never been before. Then Allah raised it (Bait-ul-Maqdis) before my eyes. I looked towards it, and I gave them the information about whatever they questioned me I also saw myself among the group of apostles. I saw Moses (عليه السلام) saying prayer and found him to be a well-built man as if he was a man of the tribe of Shanu'a. I saw Jesus son of Mary (عليه السلام) offering prayer, of all of men he had the closest resemblance with 'Urwa b. Masu'd al-Thaqafi. I saw Ibrahim (عليه السلام) offering prayer; he had the closest resemblance with your companion (the Prophet himself) amongst people. When the time of prayer came I led them. When I completed the prayer, someone said: Here is Malik, the keeper of the Hell; pay him salutations. I turned to him, but he preceded me in salutation. [Sahih Muslim Book 001, Number 0328:]

 

Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
Gengis Khan came to Baghdad and he destroyed it to its ruins. The remaining part
was filled by Bush Senior and Bush Junior plus Tony Blair & Company. The pure soil
is the resting place of so many personalities. A blessed land. Did they hear anything?
Only insane can think that "Dead listen", At the Day of Judgement, when
Allah will ask Rasools what answer was given to you by mankind, they will
say we have no knowledge, Only You know. So If they keep on listening
then the scene should have been different.

Not debating about Genghis Khan but what Ibn Taymiyyah wrote when Medinah was attacked. Every thing happens according to the plan of Allah and none can change or alter it except if He wills.

Ibn Taymiyah: 'A group of people heard the answer of their salaam. And, in the days of Harrah, Sa'id ibn al- Musayyib heard the voice of our Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) saying the adhan, from the grave. And there are more events like these and they are all true. [Ibn Taymiyya, Iqtidah Siratul-Mustakeem, Page No. 373]
 

Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
The basic rule of Shriat is follow Quraan and Hadeeth.

Ibn taymiyyah believed that the [/SIZE] dead can hear us but it does'nt prove you can do tawassul with the dead (sorry to the bida lovers). If you follow that opinion (ibn taymiyyah etc) then maximum you can conclude that dead can hear you. In order to be allowed to ask any Prophet or Saint to make du'aa for us after his death, we need proof that indicates Prophet Muhammad pbuh told us to do that, or indicates that the Sahabah did it etc etc. The fact that the dead hear us is not sufficient as a proof for this type of tawassul.

You say that because you read the abridged version of Ibn Taymiyyah books. You need to read his original books.

Imam Tabrani has narrated an incident that a person repeatedly visited Uthman bin Affan (ra) concerning something he needed but Uthman paid no attention to him. The man went to Uthman bin Hunaif (ra) and complained to him about the matter- [Note: this was after the death of the Prophet and after the caliphates of Abu Bakr and Umar ] so Uthman bin Hunaif said : “Go to the place of Wudu, then come to the Masjid, perform two Rak'ats and then say : “O Allah!, I ask you and turn to you through our Prophet Muhammad, the Prophet of Mercy. O Muhammad! I turn through you to my lord, that He fulfil my need” and mention your need. Then come so that I can go with you [to the caliph Uthman] So the man left and did as he had been told, then went to the door of Uthman ibn Affan (Allah be pleased with him), and the doorman came, took him by the hand, brought him to Uthman ibn Affan, and seated him next to him on a cushion. 'Uthman asked, "What do you need?" and the man mentioned what he wanted, and Uthman accomplished it for him ...(till the end of hadith)

[FONT=verdana,geneva]References: Imam al-Mundhiri (rah) said: Imam Tabarani after narrating it said "THIS HADITH IS SAHIH" [At-Targheeb wa Tarheeb, Page No. 129 in the chapter of Salaat al Hajah] Note: Imam al-Haythami (rah) also accepted the authentication of Imam Tabrani in his Majma az Zawaid Volume No. 2, Hadith # 3668, even Ibn Taymiyyah declared it "SAHIH" in his Qa'ida al Jaleela fit Tawassul wal Waseela (Page No. 156)[/FONT]

Then he also declares another Hadees of Tawassul as Sahih

Malik ad-Dar i.e. treasurer of Umar (RA) relates: The people were gripped by famine during the tenure of Umar (Ibn-ul-Khattab). Then a man walked up to the grave of Prophet and said: O Messenger of Allah! ask for rain from Allah for your Ummah who is in dire straits. Then he saw the Prophet (SAW) in dream. The Prophet (SAW) said to him, Go over to Umar, give him my regards and tell him that the rain will come to you. And tell Umar that he should be on his toes, he should be on his toes (he should remain alert). He went over to see Umar and passed on to him the tidings. On hearing this, Umar broke into a spurt of crying. He said, O Allah, I exert myself to the full until I am completely exhausted.

References

►Al-Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah Volume 011, Page No. 118, Hadith Number 32538


[FONT=verdana,geneva]This Hadith is authenticated as Sahih by[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,geneva]►Imam Ibn Kathir in Al Bidayah Wan Nihayah Volume No. 5, Page No. 167[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,geneva]►Imam Qastallani in al-Mawahib-ul-laduniyyah (4:276)[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana,geneva][/FONT][FONT=verdana,geneva]Ibn-e-Taymiya in Fi-Iqtida-as-Sirat-il-Mustaqim (Vol.1, Page 373)[/FONT]


Then again

Narrated by Maysara (ra), I asked: "O Messenger of Allah, when were you [first] a Prophet?" He replied: "When Allah created the earth ‘Then turned He to the heaven, and fashioned it as seven heavens’(2:29), and created the Throne, He wrote on the leg of the Throne: "Muhammad the Messenger of Allah is the Seal of Prophets" (Muhammadun Raslullhi Khtamu al-Anbiy'). Then Allah created the Garden in which He made Adam and Hawwa' dwell, and He wrote my name on the gates, its tree-leaves, its domes and tents, at a time when Adam was still between the spirit and the body. When Allah Most High instilled life into him he looked at the Throne and saw my name, whereupon Allah informed him that 'He [Muhammad SAWS] is the liege-lord of all your descendants.' When Satan deceived them both, they repented and sought intercession to Allah with my name."[Ibn Jawzi in Al Wafa bi Ahwaal lil Mustafa, Page No. 26, Published by Dar ul Kutab al Ilmiyyah]


Ibn Taymiyyah said:


فهذا الحديث يؤيد الذي قبله وهما كالتفسير للأحاديث الصحيحة


Translation: This hadith corresponds to the hadith mentioned before (i.e. hadith of Umar ibn ul Khattab) These two are like the explanations (tafsir) of the authentic (Sahih) ahadith [Majmua al Fatawa, 2/150]


Ibn Taymiyyahs student Dhahabi has declared quite a few Hadees of Tawassul as Sahih. I can tell you those also if you want.



What Ibn Taymiyyah told or not isnt my problem. I dont depend on his books but only follow Quran and Sunnah.
 
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Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Cheeko Sir, one request.

Please ask these guys if they believe Rasool Allah pbuh is Afzal ul Ambiya or not?

Afzal in every thing or in a few things!

Hayat e Rasool pbuh is also Afzal than rest of Ambiya or not?

I reckon they have misjudged Raool Allah pbuh as they are trying to compare Him pbuh with Mirza Ghulam, they can't make differece that Mirza was not appointed by Allah so he himself needs help but Rasool Allah pbuh is not only appointed by Allah but also He pbuh is Habib Allah.

Do they understand what HABIB means?

Ask them if they know Satan also calls himslf AZA ZEEL which means Abdullah in Arabic!

Do they know ISRAEL is actually LAQAB of Hazrat Yaqoob Alaih Salam that also means Abdullah in Arabic!

If believing in Allah only can make you Muslim then you have to include AZA ZEEL and JEWS as well because Jews have named their country where Allah Kay Banday live!

How about Suadi Arabia, Arabian Peninsula where SAUDS live!

They can criticise Sofiya only and blame them to deviate you from right path but they can't see what Saudis have done.

They have changed the name to family monarchy.

They can blame Sofiya for Biddah but they are fine what Saudis did by helping British to abandon Khilafah.

What they do is not Biddah but what Sofia do is Biddah!

Saudis are constructing 4 new cities from scratch and look at thier names:

King Abdullah Economic City

Prince Abdul Aziz bin Mousaed City

Jazan Econimic City

Knowledge Economic City

They love them so much they have even forgotten Sahaba Karam Rizwan ullah Tala Ajmaeen.

"Knowledge Economic City" is only 5 Km away from Madina Al Munawara.

You can EXPECT facilities there, you can EXPECT what kind of EDUCATION SYSTEM will be there.

These guys can blame SUFIYA only and are happy what Saudis are doing in that blessed part of world.

Some times I think John Perkin was right to call Dubai as Las Vegas in Land of Mullah but now I am concerned if we are going to have another Las Vegas!!!!

But we are HAPPY to criticise SUFIYA to keep people busy!

Isn't Sir?


This post is good , I like it sir, your style and innocent way. and questions. really I enjoyed it.

Bhai, do not worry about these people. They r right also.

Every one is honest to Allah, except the Munafiq.

And Every one has its own Capacity.

Quran is very Wast and Full of Noor Allah.

No one understand Quran with its full meanings Except Hamare Pyare Muhammad ( Blessings of Alla upon him)

Everyone has its own level . فَضَّلْنَا بَعْضَهُمْ عَلَىٰ بَعْضٍ

If we understand these words then it will be easy to understand the level of Rasool Allah.

But in Quran it is said that Rasool is human like u. definately.

But when we come to the link of a Rasool and his Ummati , a relation is established.

And current starts flowing.from Rasool to umatti. , like a relation of Father and son, at a limited level.

It is called Salook. and U and Cheeko are the people of Salook.

Anyway ,We say Muhammad is Allah's Prophet, but what is relation of us with out piary rasool ? we need to consider this.

Allah Tala has even put levels in prophets .
وَرَبُّكَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ ۗ وَلَقَدْ فَضَّلْنَا بَعْضَ النَّبِيِّينَ عَلَىٰ بَعْضٍ ۖ وَآتَيْنَا دَاوُودَ زَبُورًا ﴿٥٥﴾
یرا رب زمین اور آسمانوں کی مخلوقات کو زیادہ جانتا ہے ہم نے بعض پیغمبروں کو بعض سے بڑھ کر مرتبے دیے، اور ہم نے ہی داؤدؑ کو زبور دی تھی 17:55

Anyway the purpose of my post is that everyone is ok untill he is not doing any Shirk.

May be some times , someone looks reluctant in respect of prophet, it is still acceptable , because it is to avoid SHirk, which is the biggest crime.

I want to say sometimes I feel that piary Muhammad was not the only messenger of Quran. but was the way propagation of ' Noor Allah ' to the followers.

He exhibited this noor in his life during his achievements and his followers get magnetized as much as they could, and did their job.

Thats why the Prayer in the Surah Hadeed ,

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا اتَّقُوا اللَّـهَ وَآمِنُوا بِرَسُولِهِ يُؤْتِكُمْ كِفْلَيْنِ مِن رَّحْمَتِهِ وَيَجْعَل لَّكُمْ نُورًا تَمْشُونَ بِهِ وَيَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ ۚ وَاللَّـهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ ﴿٢
) اے لوگو جو ایمان لائے ہو، اللہ سے ڈرو اور اس کے رسولؐ پر ایمان لاؤ، اللہ تمہیں اپنی رحمت کا دوہرا حصہ عطا فرمائے گا اور تمہیں وہ نور بخشے گا جس کی روشنی میں تم چلو گے، اور تمہارے قصور معاف کر دے گا، اللہ بڑا معاف کرنے والا اور مہربان ہے (٢٨

But this is Noor of Allah and starts from Allah :subhanahu:

( I am not a scholar, these are my feeling, so do not blame me )
 
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behzadji

Minister (2k+ posts)
Gengis Khan came to Baghdad and he destroyed it to its ruins. The remaining part
was filled by Bush Senior and Bush Junior plus Tony Blair & Company. The pure soil
is the resting place of so many personalities. A blessed land. Did they hear anything?
Only insane can think that "Dead listen", At the Day of Judgement, when
Allah will ask Rasools what answer was given to you by mankind, they will
say we have no knowledge, Only You know. So If they keep on listening
then the scene should have been different.

What you have mentioned, does it have any relevance with the fact that the dead ones can't hear. If you are referring to the Pious people in the BaGHDAD then please remember that they were pleased with the Allah's Will in their lifetime then they would also remain pleased with Him even after their Wisal. Sometimes the belly of the earth is better than its back and it is better to die than to live in humility and do gustakhiyan against the friends of the Almighty. And Allah Always chooses the best for His slaves.
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
Not debating about Genghis Khan but what Ibn Taymiyyah wrote when Medinah was attacked. Every thing happens according to the plan of Allah and none can change or alter it except if He wills.

Ibn Taymiyah: 'A group of people heard the answer of their salaam. And, in the days of Harrah, Sa'id ibn al- Musayyib heard the voice of our Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) saying the adhan, from the grave. And there are more events like these and they are all true. [Ibn Taymiyya, Iqtidah Siratul-Mustakeem, Page No. 373]

Do not escape from the main topic. I am not interested in Ibne Tamayiya or all fancy books
which u r cutting and pasting as per your usual practice. No one is more Truthful than
the Allah Himself and His Book wherein it is written:
a) When Allah will ask the Rasools what mankind gave you answer, they(Rasool)
will say, We have no elim of that, Only you Know what happened.
If Rasools are alive in their graves, then they are alive till the day of
Judgement and there answer should have been different if they are
hearing and responding? (You refute Quran and bring x,y,z, limited company)

b) I wrote about Gengis Khan and Bushes barbarianism in Iraq (Baghdad),
If as per your advocacy the personalities are alive there, then
what they were giving the advice to people.

c) What is your concept/definition of "death".
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
What you have mentioned, does it have any relevance with the fact that the dead ones can't hear. If you are referring to the Pious people in the BaGHDAD then please remember that they were pleased with the Allah's Will in their lifetime then they would also remain pleased with Him even after their Wisal. Sometimes the belly of the earth is better than its back and it is better to die than to live in humility and do gustakhiyan against the friends of the Almighty. And Allah Always chooses the best for His slaves.
That is which I am conveying that "Dead are Dead".
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
That is which I am conveying that "Dead are Dead".

The organ of dead could work and alive in others body, but it is dead for us.

Time has proved a lot about the concepts of 'Saliks ' but we are not following it. that how things work.

and what is tone of Quran. and concept of a Rahman, we go only with words.

Sorry , I do not want to talk to u.

But this is for others, to point out.
 
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babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
Please ask these guys if they believe Rasool Allah pbuh is Afzal ul Ambiya or not?
Afzal in every thing or in a few things!
Hayat e Rasool pbuh is also Afzal than rest of Ambiya or not?
BELIEVERS DO NOT MAKE ANY DISTINCTION BETWEEN ALLAH'S
PROPHETS AND RASOOLS, ONLY THOSE PEOPLE WHO CANNOT
READ OR BELIEVE THIS COMMANDAMENT IN QURAN, MAY
HAVE DIFFERENT VIEW.


ii) Show me any verse in Quran wherein Allah has called our
Prophet as "Habib", or it is your people's own invention.

iii) Show me any verse in Quran werein Allah has called
our Prophet as "Shafee", or it is your people's own invention.
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
Ask them if they know Satan also calls himslf AZA ZEEL which means Abdullah in Arabic!
Do they know ISRAEL is actually LAQAB of Hazrat Yaqoob Alaih Salam that also means Abdullah in Arabic!
If believing in Allah only can make you Muslim then you have to include AZA ZEEL and JEWS as well
because Jews have named their country where Allah Kay Banday live!

a) Show us a verse from Quran where Satan has called himself AZA Zeel?
b) Yes Yaqub (as) name is Israel and mentioned in Quran,
c) Now who should tell you that "Muslim" title has been since centuries before
our Prophet(PBUH) was declared as Prophet(PBUH). This is not the
monopoly of Mohammadian followers.
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
The organ of dead could work and alive in others body, but it is dead for us.

I am not aware that before their burial their organs were removed.
Oh Santos Dios, what kind of theory this is for the dead to be living.
 

Muhammad Afzal

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Brother Pakistani1947, I have been following your interactions with these so called ullemas of copy and paste, pretending to be very knowledgable and righteous. But do you know Shaitan was amongst the most devout worshipper of Allah (SWT) and pretended to be the most knowledgable. Same goes to Abu Jahal the most knowledgable and learned person amongst the pagans of Mecca. But despite their knowledge and righteousness Allah ridiculed them in this life and will do the same in the hereafter. So no matter what ever u tell them, they can legitimise their claims by distorting the Quran and Hadith. (as u experienced that in another thread which is closed by the moderator) Their peers and uleemas have to get a PHD in deception only than they can qualify for the job. WALLAHEY the way they are DAMAGING Islam by distorting the teaching of Islam, not even qadianis have done that, and that is the only reason to USA and Western world the only acceptable way of Islam to them is suffism. because they know they do not fear them, as 99.9% of sufi ulemas the so called Sheikh ul Islam, are on their Payroll.
Believe u me, what ever u r saying is Haque, and from inside their hearts they also know u r talking haque, but they can not accept it by their tongues because they have the same arguments as was given by Abu Talib, when our beloved Prophet Muhammad SWM went to visit him on his death bed, and asked him to recite the Shahada in His (SWM) ear, but he replied that he will not leave the deen of Abdul Mutalib, as people might say that from the fear of death Abu Talib left the deen of is Father. So basically it is a matter of peer, clan, family, friends pride and association and their maulvis and peer sahibs huqa pani will be stopped if they talk against qul, teja, chaleeswan, 11 shareef. etc. By Allah I have watched that filth with my own eyes on these so called mazars, where all kind of shirk that you can expect at a hindu mandir, is performed. let me give u example of famous mazar of torrat marrat at Lawrence garden, Lahore. on that urs charsi from all around the Pakistan come to smoke hashish. Now please ask these supporters of that sect what spiritual or religious benefit one can get from that. Is that also a kind of wajid, my friend cheeko is expert in that, may be he can enlighten us on that particular subject. That is the story of all the darbars and mazars. i don't have to give details u have seen the vdos. I am asking is that what u call Islam, and Sunnah of Muhammad (AS) Honestly i laughed my head out when I saw a pamphlet which said " 11 shareef in the light of Ahadeees of Muhammad SWM. " So my brothers in Islam where u r going to draw the line, and say ok that's the limit. When i was holding this lanati shirkia aqidas, and that includes every things from qabar parasti, 11 shareef, urs, naat & qawalis, kondays, I could do any thing to defend that but from inside of my heart I knew I had no solid foot hold. I asked from Allah, with sincerity and purity of my heart, for Hidaya and Allah gave me. And i request u the same don't follow the masses and study the deen urself, because ur peer and mualvi will not be burried in ur grave, as u will have to answer ur Lord one day so save ur self from hell fire.
 

Veila Mast

Senator (1k+ posts)
Do not escape from the main topic. I am not interested in Ibne Tamayiya or all fancy books
which u r cutting and pasting as per your usual practice. No one is more Truthful than
the Allah Himself and His Book wherein it is written:
a) When Allah will ask the Rasools what mankind gave you answer, they(Rasool)
will say, We have no elim of that, Only you Know what happened.
If Rasools are alive in their graves, then they are alive till the day of
Judgement and there answer should have been different if they are
hearing and responding? (You refute Quran and bring x,y,z, limited company)

b) I wrote about Gengis Khan and Bushes barbarianism in Iraq (Baghdad),
If as per your advocacy the personalities are alive there, then
what they were giving the advice to people.

c) What is your concept/definition of "death".

A: Quote Ayat of Quran where Allah will ask Rasool and Rasool will say ONLY you know what happend!

Please when you quote Ayat, do highlight arabic word which means ONLY.

Quote name of that Rasool as well and tell that particular RASOOL is ALIVE OR NOT!

Suppose Hazrat Esa Alaih Salam says this to Allah then we all except QADIANS believe Hazrat Esa Alaih Salam is alive.

So if He is alive then He must knows what happened!

Then why will He say such thing?
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
يَوْمَ يَجْمَعُ اللَّهُ الرُّسُلَ فَيَقُولُ مَاذَا أُجِبْتُمْ ۖ قَالُوا لَا عِلْمَ لَنَا ۖ إِنَّكَ أَنْتَ عَلَّامُ الْغُيُوبِ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{109**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 5:109] On the day when Allah will assemble the messengers, then say: What answer were you given? They shall say: We have no knowledge, surely Thou art the great Knower of the unseen things.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 5:109] In the day when Allah gathereth together the messengers, and saith: What was your response (from mankind)? they say: We have no knowledge. Lo! Thou, only Thou art the Knower of Things Hidden,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 5:109] One day will Allah gather the messengers together, and ask: "What was the response ye received (from men to your teaching)?" They will say: "We have no knowledge: it is Thou Who knowest in full all that is hidden."

Now tell me if they are alive in Graves!!!!
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babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
In Quran, ---which is beyond any doubt word of Allah, a guidance and without any doubt--- it is
written:
a) When death came to Yaqub (as)
b) Death came to Suleman (as).
c) our Prophet(PBUH) was informed that "You have to die and these people have to die"

From where this concept has developed that "Prophets are alive in their graves"
Is Quran more truthful or other things, That is THE QUESTION?
People should remember the consequences of those who write things from
themselves and then attribute them as from Allah, there is stern
warning in Quran about such people.
 

sngilani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Dude you forgot another very important question.

If you don't mind I can ask on your behalf.

LIFE AFTER DEATH?????.......ARE YOU INSANE?

A real joke ...We all believe in life after death. When u sleep daily, you are half dead, when u stop breathing u are full dead.
 

Veila Mast

Senator (1k+ posts)
يَوْمَ يَجْمَعُ اللَّهُ الرُّسُلَ فَيَقُولُ مَاذَا أُجِبْتُمْ ۖ قَالُوا لَا عِلْمَ لَنَا ۖ إِنَّكَ أَنْتَ عَلَّامُ الْغُيُوبِ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{109**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 5:109] On the day when Allah will assemble the messengers, then say: What answer were you given? They shall say: We have no knowledge, surely Thou art the great Knower of the unseen things.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 5:109] In the day when Allah gathereth together the messengers, and saith: What was your response (from mankind)? they say: We have no knowledge. Lo! Thou, only Thou art the Knower of Things Hidden,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 5:109] One day will Allah gather the messengers together, and ask: "What was the response ye received (from men to your teaching)?" They will say: "We have no knowledge: it is Thou Who knowest in full all that is hidden."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Now tell me if they are alive in Graves!!!![/SIZE]

وَإِذْ قَالَ اللَّهُ يَا عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ أَأَنْتَ قُلْتَ لِلنَّاسِ اتَّخِذُونِي وَأُمِّيَ إِلَٰهَيْنِ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ ۖ قَالَ سُبْحَانَكَ مَا يَكُونُ لِي أَنْ أَقُولَ مَا لَيْسَ لِي بِحَقٍّ ۚ إِنْ كُنْتُ قُلْتُهُ فَقَدْ عَلِمْتَهُ ۚ تَعْلَمُ مَا فِي نَفْسِي وَلَا أَعْلَمُ مَا فِي نَفْسِكَ ۚ إِنَّكَ أَنْتَ عَلَّامُ الْغُيُوبِ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{116**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 5:116] And when Allah will say: O Isa son of Marium! did you say to men, Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah he will say: Glory be to Thee, it did not befit me that I should say what I had no right to (say); if I had said it, Thou wouldst indeed have known it; Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I do not know what is in Thy mind, surely Thou art the great Knower of the unseen things.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 5:116] And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 5:116] And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.[/SIZE]

مَا قُلْتُ لَهُمْ إِلَّا مَا أَمَرْتَنِي بِهِ أَنِ اعْبُدُوا اللَّهَ رَبِّي وَرَبَّكُمْ ۚ وَكُنْتُ عَلَيْهِمْ شَهِيدًا مَا دُمْتُ فِيهِمْ ۖ فَلَمَّا تَوَفَّيْتَنِي كُنْتَ أَنْتَ الرَّقِيبَ عَلَيْهِمْ ۚ وَأَنْتَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ شَهِيدٌ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{117**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 5:117] I did not say to them aught save what Thou didst enjoin me with: That serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord, and I was a witness of them so long as I was among them, but when Thou didst cause me to die, Thou wert the watcher over them, and Thou art witness of all things.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 5:117] I spake unto them only that which Thou commandedst me, (saying): Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. I was a witness of them while I dwelt among them, and when Thou tookest me Thou wast the Watcher over them. Thou art Witness over all things.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 5:117] "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.[/SIZE]

Tell me difference what other Ambiya replied and what did Hazrat Esa Alaih Salam.

Tell me if Hazrat Esa Alaih Salam is alive or not?

Tell me if He is alive then why did He reply that HE DOESN'T KNOW?
 

Veila Mast

Senator (1k+ posts)
A real joke ...We all believe in life after death. When u sleep daily, you are half dead, when u stop breathing u are full dead.

Quote any Ayat from Quran that when we sleep we are half dead and we stop breathing then we are full dead.

Hint: You may ask my dear friend BABADEENA to help you.
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
@Viela Mast,
Be fearful of your Lord. Do not twist Quran. Even IF YOUR LOGIC IS ACCEPTED, YOU
MEAN THAT SINCE ESSA(AS) is said to be alive, all other Prophets are alive, since
Essa(as) said so then the verse I quoted is null and void. Be Fearful of your Lord,
there is day and night difference between two verses?
 
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