Controversial Statements by Sikh Gurus against Islam and Muslims

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Ali raza babar

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Kuch din pehla ma Birmingham gaya tha. Waha Marzayo na bohat zyada proganda kiya hua hai Nanak musalmaan tha etc. Lakin jo first statement woh humara Nabi Ka khilaaf hai. Aur bohat sara log la-ilm ha is sachai sai.

Nanak Musalman Tha Aur bilkul Tha ... But sikh Musalman Nahi hein .. Hindus Ki books Perho ja ker original Halat mein to pata chalay ga kay jisay Hum Surah Ikhlas kehtay hein wo Un ki Kitab mein Gayatri Mantra hai ...

Hinduism Is totally Mislead ... All the religions are infiltrated and they are pushing their people Towards idolatry . Like the christians Worship Hazrat ESA as son of GOD where he never Claimed to be such thing .. Was Jesus Non Muslim ? No he wasnt He was a muslim ....

Islam Means submission to Allahs Will and anybody who did that or Does that is a muslim .
 

alimohsan52

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Nanak Musalman Tha Aur bilkul Tha ... But sikh Musalman Nahi hein .. Hindus Ki books Perho ja ker original Halat mein to pata chalay ga kay jisay Hum Surah Ikhlas kehtay hein wo Un ki Kitab mein Gayatri Mantra hai ...

Hinduism Is totally Mislead ... All the religions are infiltrated and they are pushing their people Towards idolatry . Like the christians Worship Hazrat ESA as son of GOD where he never Claimed to be such thing .. Was Jesus Non Muslim ? No he wasnt He was a muslim ....

Islam Means submission to Allahs Will and anybody who did that or Does that is a muslim .

I think your confused I don't understand why you have brought Hinduism into this when the discussion is about the statements given by Sikh Gurus, your completely off topic.

You cannot even prove how Nanak was a muslim?
 

Temojin

Minister (2k+ posts)
Here Ali has provided some evidence that sikhs are non-Muslims and we believe in it. We should keep it to the topic than getting ahead like PTI - MQM issue which clearly MQM person started by directly attacking at some peoples' lineages or that Guru Nanak was a Muslim or not.

I must say that Guru Nanak didn't have a headache to go on foot to Makkah and perform proper hajj if he wasn't a Muslim. There were numerous ways of enlightenment already described in hindu scriptures or others if he wanted to follow any other ideology than Islam.

Thanks.
 

_pakistan

Minister (2k+ posts)

Nanak Musalman Tha Aur bilkul Tha ... But sikh Musalman Nahi hein .. Hindus Ki books Perho ja ker original Halat mein to pata chalay ga kay jisay Hum Surah Ikhlas kehtay hein wo Un ki Kitab mein Gayatri Mantra hai ...

Hinduism Is totally Mislead ... All the religions are infiltrated and they are pushing their people Towards idolatry . Like the christians Worship Hazrat ESA as son of GOD where he never Claimed to be such thing .. Was Jesus Non Muslim ? No he wasnt He was a muslim ....

Islam Means submission to Allahs Will and anybody who did that or Does that is a muslim .


Kuch din pehla ma Birmingham gaya tha. Waha Marzayo na bohat zyada proganda kiya hua hai Nanak musalmaan tha etc. Lakin jo first statement woh humara Nabi Ka khilaaf hai. Aur bohat sara log la-ilm ha is sachai sai.

Sikhon ko muslim k qareeb tar kehnay/samjnay walon k malomat may azafay ka shukria. Sikhon say bas eek hi makhlook khush hay aur wo hay Joewen.
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

Kuch din pehla ma Birmingham gaya tha. Waha Marzayo na bohat zyada proganda kiya hua hai Nanak musalmaan tha etc. Lakin jo first statement woh humara Nabi Ka khilaaf hai. Aur bohat sara log la-ilm ha is sachai sai.

Bro, Qadiani say it bcoz Mirza wrote that Guru was Muslim. I remember having fun with some at Ahmedi.org on this very topic.
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Here is page from a book of Mirza RK10 P157:

Mirza said, "I inspected the "Chola" of Guru Nanak personally, the Arabic Wordings couldn't be understood by everyone (meaning Mirza was the only one to understand Arabic(bigsmile)) I read it and drawn very pleasant meanings from it. This inspection (of the Chola) wasn't granted to anyone before me (hmm, so what people were looking at for hundred of years before it was inspected by Mirza, a blank cloth!!!:lol::lol:). The only reason why this "Chola" survived until now, because it was destined to wait for me". [hilar][hilar]

He further wrote " some people may cast doubt on the statement of Sakhi that this Chola descended from the heavens, and God written it with His own Hands (nauzobillah). But looking at God's "Qudarat" it is not beyond realm of possibility.

He also wrote: "It is also possible these Verses of the Holy Quran were received by him (Guru Nanak) as revelations, and written with the Will of God" (nauzobillah).

I hope you guys may understand why Qadianis are pushing this lie. Because Mirza Kazzab was on his usual tricks of lies and deceptions to prove his importance, and to claim God saved the Chola for him to inspect and approved its authenticity.

 

alimohsan52

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Here is page from a book of Mirza RK10 P157:

Mirza said, "I inspected the "Chola" of Guru Nanak personally, the Arabic Wordings couldn't be understood by everyone (meaning Mirza was the only one to understand Arabic(bigsmile)) I read it and drawn very pleasant meanings from it. This inspection (of the Chola) wasn't granted to anyone before me (hmm, so what people were looking at for hundred of years before it was inspected by Mirza, a blank cloth!!!:lol::lol:). The only reason why this "Chola" survived until now, because it was destined to wait for me". [hilar][hilar]

He further wrote " some people may cast doubt on the statement of Sakhi that this Chola descended from the heavens, and God written it with His own Hands (nauzobillah). But looking at God's "Qudarat" it is not beyond realm of possibility.

He also wrote: "It is also possible these Verses of the Holy Quran were received by him (Guru Nanak) as revelations, and written with the Will of God" (nauzobillah).

I hope you guys may understand why Qadianis are pushing this lie. Because Mirza Kazzab was on his usual tricks of lies and deceptions to prove his importance, and to claim God saved the Chola for him to inspect and approved its authenticity.


Thanks Crankthskunk we need to highlight this BS about Nanak being Muslim, this is pure propaganda, thanks for highlighting this
 

Unicorn

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Imran is almost correct about the Amrit and the Sikh guy is just trying to split hairs. Only thing Imran did not mention is that Gobind Singh asked for five heads among his followers and slowly five people volunteered while Imran says that he asked for heads and five people responded other than that he is right on. After he baptized the 5 then in turn they also baptized their guru. To this day they mix sweeter and water and mix it with Symball (Khanda) and they call it Amrit (nector of immorality) as Imran had stated.

In conclusion I would say that he was not Muslim he never prayed 5 times a day, never kept Roza.

There is something I like to mention. In a TV program I watched a Guy ask a question to a Journalist by the name of Shami, who claims to be very religious, about his adherence to Islam and he replied " hum gunaghar Musalmaan hein " I thought that was very funny. Because I can also say that " I am a Gunaghar Musalmaan also " :lol:

Thats it I am done with this thread bye.
 

Indocanadian

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
well you guys r talking abt muslims , sikhs, hindus but 99% of you were Hindus . All of you guys have hindu links in you.

 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Nanak Musalman Tha Aur bilkul Tha ... But sikh Musalman Nahi hein .. Hindus Ki books Perho ja ker original Halat mein to pata chalay ga kay jisay Hum Surah Ikhlas kehtay hein wo Un ki Kitab mein Gayatri Mantra hai ...

Hinduism Is totally Mislead ... All the religions are infiltrated and they are pushing their people Towards idolatry . Like the christians Worship Hazrat ESA as son of GOD where he never Claimed to be such thing .. Was Jesus Non Muslim ? No he wasnt He was a muslim ....

Islam Means submission to Allahs Will and anybody who did that or Does that is a muslim .

With due respect your thinking and comments are very misguided. I hope you realise your mistakes in comparing Guru Nanak with a Mighty Prophet of Allah SWT. I am not knocking Sikhs or Guru. Sikhs are free to worship who they want and make Guru who they want.

But if you consider Guru as Muslim and compare him with Esa As, then you are not only performing a grave mistake, but you are probably also giving away your identity and beliefs. Let me dig up evidence from my old hard disk to show to the people why you wrote what you wrote.
 

Unicorn

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With due respect your thinking and comments are very misguided. I hope you realise your mistakes in comparing Guru Nanak with a Mighty Prophet of Allah SWT. I am not knocking Sikhs or Guru. Sikhs are free to worship who they want and make Guru who they want.

But if you consider Guru as Muslim and compare him with Esa As, then you are not only performing a grave mistake, but you are probably also giving away your identity and beliefs. Let me dig up evidence from my old hard disk to show to the people why you wrote what you wrote.

You got my interest back in it I am waiting patiently for the evidance
 

Ali raza babar

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
With due respect your thinking and comments are very misguided. I hope you realise your mistakes in comparing Guru Nanak with a Mighty Prophet of Allah SWT. I am not knocking Sikhs or Guru. Sikhs are free to worship who they want and make Guru who they want.

But if you consider Guru as Muslim and compare him with Esa As, then you are not only performing a grave mistake, but you are probably also giving away your identity and beliefs. Let me dig up evidence from my old hard disk to show to the people why you wrote what you wrote.

I am not Comparing Anybody With anybody ... What i am saying is Way beyond your and The Thread Starters Comprehension . So i am sorry for Saying something that people dont Understand . The Debate is Closed .
 

alimohsan52

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I am not Comparing Anybody With anybody ... What i am saying is Way beyond your and The Thread Starters Comprehension . So i am sorry for Saying something that people dont Understand . The Debate is Closed .

You have completely lost your marbles
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I am not Comparing Anybody With anybody ... What i am saying is Way beyond your and The Thread Starters Comprehension . So i am sorry for Saying something that people dont Understand . The Debate is Closed .

Not so fast, you have made a conclusive statement that Guru Nanak was a Muslim. In the process you have given away your identity.

On this page Mirza wrote like the page posted before, the Heavenly Chola on which the Kalam of Allah SWT was written from God, descended on Guru. The "Kalam" was emitted from the "Mouth" of Allah SWT (nauzobillah).

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Then Mirza went to the botheration to produce an image of this "Chola" in the same book "Sath Bachan" and in another of his book "Dur-e-Sameen".



One can clearly see that he included the Urdu translation of the Arabic Verses. Plus you see lots of digits written on the Chola. About the Digits Mirza said these were the numbers for the Verses of the Holy Quran.

Can anyone imagine Mirza Kazzab remembering all what was written on the Chola and reproducing it months/years after seeing this Chola for a short period of time?

As I have proven in my articles on the death of Mirza's father and brother, Mirza concocted this years after he inspected the Chola.

He also has given the impression in the book as shown by the first page I displayed that it was the Will of Allah SWT for Mirza to find this Chola and explain what was written on it. AS the first page shows, Mirza boosted before him no one could understand what was written on the Chola.

When we look at the impression produced by Mirza it contains some partial Verses and "Kalma's", which most Muslim could read and understand easily.
As was his habit, Mirza also included Urdu translation on his sketch. One should ask, was the "Chola" written by Allah SWT with Translations (nauzobillah)? In my article I have shown proofs that Mirza tried to concoct his Ilhams in English. But because his English wasn't great, he gave it to a Hindu boy to check the English of his alleged Ilhams.
Was he expecting his god to reveal incorrect revelations, that it needed to be check by a human before it could be published?(bigsmile)

Mirza was found to make claims that his knowledge comes from Allah SWT (nauzobillah). He gave same impression in this book, some indications are in the first (157) I posted earlier.

But in the Prefix of this book, Mirza categorically wrote that he has written this book after research. The true strength of his so-called research or correctly putting it plagiarism had been exposed by me in many of my articles.

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It is clear Mirza was scared from the British Government so he clarified his stance in the Book. Assured them it is written after research and didn't meant to hurt someone's feelings, i.e. Hindus and Sikhs. He also stated that many English Researchers have also concluded that "Nanak" was a Muslim. Those books were published in British India well before his book. He specifically mentioned Father Hue's dictionary, and claimed Father has declared Nanak a Muslim.

Qadianis usually brag that Mirza was the first one to prove that Guru Nanak was a Muslim and that this knowledge was given to him by God. But as this foreword proves, neither of the impressions or claims is correct, in Mirza's own words.
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
well you guys r talking abt muslims , sikhs, hindus but 99% of you were Hindus . All of you guys have hindu links in you.


Only Hindu's believe in nonsense like links and all when the fact is all human blood is the same! Most Hindu's in return have Buddhist ancestors but with the arrival of Islam it replaced many faiths in the subcontinent and Middle East.

Since Hinduism/Buddhism predate Islam it's only commonsense to realise that our ancestors where non-Muslim. I don't care what my great, great, great, great grandfather worshipped because i am a Muslim by choice and no one forced me to accept the truth of Allah!

Islam is the way of the free heart and soul where as Hinduism is blindly following your ancestors. Whatever God you believe in if Hinduism were true he wouldn't have allowed for Islam to conquer so many hearts in India so i challenge you to reconvert Indian Muslim's back to your faith! Fact is that many Muslims in India accept discrimination but won't leave Islam no matter what!
 
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