Dr samar Mubarak and Underground coal gasification project ?

saeed khan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Last year in August in his interview Dr Samar Mubarak said that his pilot project will complete in six months, I thought that it will be till March 2011.
If any fellow has any information of this Dr. Samar Project, please share what are the latest news.
 

moazzamniaz

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
اس پراجیکٹ کے بارے میں مجھے ڈاکٹر عبدلقدیر خان صاحب کی بات پر زیادہ اعتماد ہے. کہ جن کے مطابق یہ صرف اور صرف ایک "لوٹ مار پراجیکٹ" ہے. لیکن دعا کرتا ہوں کہ ایسا نہ ہو
 

nauman

Senator (1k+ posts)
اس پراجیکٹ کے بارے میں مجھے ڈاکٹر عبدلقدیر خان صاحب کی بات پر زیادہ اعتماد ہے. کہ جن کے مطابق یہ صرف اور صرف ایک "لوٹ مار پراجیکٹ" ہے. لیکن دعا کرتا ہوں کہ ایسا نہ ہو
Dr qadeer ke koi resech nahi ha is baray ma.shortage of fund is reason.
first it was 100 mgwat than 50 magwat plan and now 25 magwat plan
 

Rana Tahir Mahmood

Senator (1k+ posts)
There are lot of "IFs" & "BUTs" before completion of any Project while making a superfluous statement no time is required. I think that is the mentality or built up of Pakistani nation to make "Bharkain" without considering any ground realities. This type of statements lose the credibility of our nation. This is called "Parhay Likhay unparh".
 

moazzamniaz

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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moazzamniaz

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
یار، یہ نیچے پاکستان پلاننگ کمیشن کی سائٹ کا لنک ہے. اس میں پراجیکٹس پر جا کر سندھ اور پٹرولیم اینڈ منرل منسٹری کو سلیکٹ کر کے سرچ کروایں تو تھر کول پراجیکٹ کے اپڈیٹس اور اسکے پی سی-ون اور پی سی-ٹو، پی ڈی ایف فارمیٹ میں آ جایئں گے. کیونکہ دونوں بہت طویل ہیں، اسلئیے پڑھ نہیں سکا
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EniGma90

Minister (2k+ posts)
But we need loads $$ to start this project on a commercial scale... Gasification of coal with out extracting it is not a very new phenomena but in Pak we need a very huge investment for this project
 

saeed khan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Dear moazzamniaz

I am thankful to you but does not have courage to click for like or thanks for post.
Dr Sb has shown the reality.
Nigeria is a large oil producing country. It has wealthy ruling class but poor citizens.
Nigeria is producing oil since many years but its corrupt rulers sold that oil privately and government do not get any finance to spend on citizens.
I am sure that our corrupt rulers are also selling our mineral products.
We can use bad words against these lanti rulers but it will not be any solution. Only solution is honest leadership.
We should elect Imran Khan who will keep all the accounts audited like his hospital.

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EniGma90

Minister (2k+ posts)
I dont know whats the issue of rift or cold war b/w Dr samar Mubarak and Dr Abdul Qadeer but in that particular case Dr Qadeer's assessment is partially ryt because this project can't be done without foreign assistance.. Or we can follow Iran's example but it will take majors on war bases and a decade to fulfill our wish
 

Star Gazer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I think Dr. Mubarik should be making a statement on this isuue rather than ua guessing and arguing over it.
 

rakeem

Senator (1k+ posts)
Anyone involved with present govt. whether it is Samar Mubarak or Hosni Mubarak his credibility is doubtful. But certain facts regarding why Thar Coal project has not been utilized for the last 21 years. Simply because of finding any company who before taking up the cost of mining, are first needed to provide some commission for these parasites in the govt.. ShenHua like company is required, who is there for the long haul, and bears the cost of the mining aspect, which is'nt the cup of tea of any Pakistani person or company for now.
Samar Mubarak has been working on this project for a longtime but there is'nt any major progress, on the coal gasification issue, only more rumors. Our reserves are hostage to the monetary interests of the bureaucrats and ministers which we need to understand. Sincerity is a rare commodity when talk about Pakistan's institutions.
Dr.A.Q.Khan wrote a fantastically truthful article, on these looters and robbers, this mite be a blessing in disguise or once these robbers find some promise in these mines, they can sell their generations to acquire this and give it away to enemy interests in US or Israel for dollars.
 
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contra

Senator (1k+ posts)
Dr samar Mubarak is Dishonest

False hopes

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Hope 1: Thar coal is about to be converted into product gas sufficient to meet our energy needs for the following 100 years.

Fact 1: Underground coal gasification (UCG) is strictly experimental in nature and not a single commercial project exists on the face of the planet that relies exclusively on underground coal gasification.

Hope 2: Thar coal reserves can produce enough gas to end gas load-shedding.

Fact 2: Pakistan’s UCG project has somehow managed to extract funds both from the federal government and the Punjab government but in order to attract funding from financial institutions the project would have to go through at least three assessments: Technical Viability Assessment, Environmental & Social Impact Assessment and, finally, Commercial Viability Assessment. The fact remains that Pakistan’s UCG team has so far avoided both an independent technical review and an independent financial audit.

Hope 3: Thar coal reserves can produce enough electricity to end power load-shedding.

Fact 3: On July 16, 2009, the Planning Commission held an important meeting. That day the UCG team claimed that 10MW of power will be generated by end-2009. That deadline was later moved to end-June 2010. Later on, the deadline was moved to end-2011 for generating 100MW. For the record, the technology for underground coal gasification exists but its commercial viability is the biggest of all question marks. (I can tell you that I have the technology to convert a carat of coal into a carat of flawless diamond but if the cost of conversion is more than what a carat of diamond is available in the open market the technology that I have isn’t commercially viable.)

Pakistan’s UCG project must immediately be subjected to an independent technical review and an independent financial audit without which billions of taxpayers’ rupees are being sent nowhere but down the coal mines. Without a Bankable Feasibility Study there’s no money and without money there can be no end to load-shedding.

There indeed is a difference between hope and positive thinking. Hopefully there will be a day when UCG is commercially viable. But, false hopes like job creations; Are there to keep you down; Straws in the wind for working man; Create not but misery. And, when you feel down, try positive thinking; Don’t wear a frown, try positive thinking; Laugh at your troubles instead; Trust what tomorrow may bring.

For the record, Japan’s proven reserves of lignite coal are next to zero and yet Japan’s GDP stands at a tall $4.459 trillion. To be certain, it’s not about being able to convert coal into gas. The real name of the game is developing Pakistan’s human capital-education and health.

The writer is a columnist based in Islamabad. Email: [email protected]