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Brother Azhar,
Thank you for sharing such logical and informative article.
Jizakullah.
Thank you for sharing such logical and informative article.
Jizakullah.
My Dear Brother Murshad Jee,
If Molana Muhammed Qasim Nanautawi (Founder of Deoband) claimed that he met Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) then it is not Daleel (دلیل) that whoever claims that he or she have seen Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in their dream, then it mean the actually saw him (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم).
The corpus (ذخیرہ) of Islamic beliefs and practices is not based upon dreams of ordinary people like the referred Molana Muhammed Qasim Nanautawi or tahur-ul-qadri. On the contrary, it is based upon the clear and unadulterated teachings of the Qur'an and the Sunnah (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) of the Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم).
Thus, if the Qur'anic teachings do not require Muslims to ascribe to the belief of the continuity of the Prophet's life - as they, in fact, do not - then no vision or dream of an individual can render it a belief of Islam.
Allaah says: "And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allaah (i.e., this Qur'an), and be not divided among yourselves." Surah Aali-`Imraan [3:103]
Now a days Muslims are judging their beliefs based on the sayings of Durwaish, Peer, Faqeer and Imams etc. but not as per Allah's instructions:
"And if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it back to Allaah and His Messenger, if you believe in Allaah and in the Last Day. That is more suitable for final determination." Surat-un-Nisaa' [4:59].
"refer it back to Allaah" = Qur'aan
"and His Messenger" = Sunnah (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم)
Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects), you (O Muhammad SAW) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allah, Who then will tell them what they used to do. [6:195 Surah Al-An`am]
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
In the Quraan, Allah condemns the one who turns away from following the Messengers and follows instead the religion invented by his forefathers. This is imitation (taqleed) which is forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, i.e., following someone other than the Messenger in matters that go against the Messenger. This is haraam for everyone according to the consensus of the Muslims, for there is no obedience to any created being if it involves disobedience towards the Creator. Obedience to the Messenger is obligatory for every one, elite and common folk alike, at all times and in all places, both inwardly and outwardly, and in all situations Allah has enjoined obedience to the Messenger upon all people, in approximately forty places in the Quraan.
It is permissible for one who is unable to derive rulings to follow a scholar, according to the majority of scholars the kind of imitation or following that is forbidden by the texts and according to scholarly consensus is that which goes against the words of Allah and His Messenger. end quote. [Majmoo al-Fataawa, 19/260-266]
Azhar1234 said:Note: There is no intention to target any particular Muslim Sects. The purpose is to debate in a healthy and non-abusive environment. All Hadiths below are quoted from Sahih Bukhari or Shaih Muslim. These two books of Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim are the two most highly respected books of authenticated hadith collections.
Brother Azhar, I appreciate your desire to discuss this matter.
Before starting discussion:
1) could you please confirm whether the analysis and interpretation of these Ahadith are done by you or not??
2)If your reply is negative then do you completely agree with the article which you have posted here??
JazakAllah.
It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: I heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: Whoever sees me in a dream will see me when he is awake; the Shaytaan cannot take my shape. (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6592; Muslim, 2266)
In fact, the Bukhari hadith mentioned earlier says that whoever sees Muhammad (PBUH) in a dream has seen him in wakefulness.
Since none of us have seen him in wakefulness, we cant see him in a dream.
This is in strict accordance with the Bukhari ahadith above.
Dr. Bilal Philips's Article on Seeing the Prophet (saw) in a Dream
Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) could have saved thousand of Sahabas (RA) lives by just coming into dream of his wife (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) (RA) or nephew (RA).
I would love to see if you can prove your above words ,just read why imam bukhari wrote sahih bukhari what was the reason behind it....................Dreaming of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) is a very serious and important aspect of Islam. Even some of the Muslim sects or school of thoughts, for example tahir-ul-qadri group's religion, is being authenticated indirectly by a dream.
Stop twisting the Ahadyt of the Holy prophet s.a.w.We know that there is Sahih Hadith that Only those person could see the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in their dream who had seen him in wakefulness, i.e. in real life. Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard the Prophet صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) saying, Whoever sees me in a dream will see me in his wakefulness, and Satan cannot imitate me in shape. Abu Abdullah said, Ibn Sirin said, Only if he sees the Prophet in his (real) shape. (Sahih Bukhari Book #87, Hadith #122)
There is no dispute that Satan can not imitate Prophet Muhammad صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم). But Satan can disguise into Saint like appearance (anybody other than Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)). Now tahir-ul-qadri never saw Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) alive then how can tahir-ul-qadri claim with 100% confidence that he actually saw Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم)??
That scenario does not prove your concocked theory.If the hadyt was reffering to only those who had seen the Prophet s.a.w being awake then the wording would have been different.then it might have been that those who have seen me in awakeness can only see me in their dreams but its totally diffrent from this ,i hope you understand a english a little bit to diffrentiate between have seen and will see.Scenario#1:
During the time when Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) were alive, any Shabi (RA) who knew the face of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم), upon seeing Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his (RA) dream he (RA) could recognize the face of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) and could say with 100% confidence that he (RA) actually saw Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his dream on the basis of Hadith that Satan could not imitate the shape of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم).
Well 10o years or 100,000 years does not make a difference in this case it all depends upon the credibility of the person a liar is a liar even if was present in the time of the prophet.you cannot certify that at the time of the holy prophet all people only saw the prophet s.a.w in their dreams or they never saw any other dream that that of prophet s.a.w or anyone who claimed to see the prophet s.a.w in his dream during his time is 100% authentic.Scenario#2:
Now, 1000 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) if somebody claims that he has seen Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his dream than his claimed can not be accepted with 100% confidence because that person was unable to recognize the face of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم). There were no pictures of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) available. Satan can not come in the shape of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) but Satan can certainly come in the shape of a saint and can make that person believe that he has seen Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his dream.
Based upon this incident some people deduct that the person of Muhammad is alive and still guides his ummah through dream.
The corpus (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) of Islamic beliefs and practices is not based upon dreams of ordinary people like the referred Sultan. On the contrary, it is based upon the clear and unadulterated teachings of the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم).
Thus, if the Qur'anic teachings do not require Muslims to ascribe to the belief of the continuity of the Prophet's life - as they, in fact, do not - then no dream of an individual can render it a belief of Islam.
Furthermore, even Sultan Zangi's argument does not proves that if somebody claims to have seen our beloved prophet Mohammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his dream then his claim may be accepted with 100% confidence. In the best interest of Muslim ummah it is better to close this door which often leads to innovation in Shariah, following of fake peer, fake faqeer and fake wali like, Yousuf Kazab.
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