mrk123

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: DR Zakir Naik vs Tahir ul Qadri

but the words of the Glorious Quran are for us to interpret given the Sunnah ......now there are lot of scholars who are coming to differing conclusions in interpreting Quranic verses....I guess we should rely on Quran and Sunnah and try to follow its spirit without declaring someone kafir or mushrik

u r 100% right.Quran is the real power which gave Zakir naik words worth otherwise he is nothing.
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Re: Front Line - 14th December 2011 - Special Program with Tahir ul Qadri

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samar

Minister (2k+ posts)
Event of KARBALA and views of two renowned scholars......(zakir naik & Tahir ul Qadri)

This is what zakir NAik said about KARBALA and yazeeed..........


This is what Zakir Naik said in reply to criticism ..........



This is what Tahir ul qadri said about KARBALA and Yazeeed...........





You decide who stand where in terms of ISLAMIC knowledge............DON'T MAKE IT A SECTARIAN DEBATE.

ONLY FOCUS ON THE REASON PRESENTED BY BOTH SCHOLARS.

SPECIALLY THE BUKHARI SHARIF HADYT QUOTED BY ZAKIR NAIK........

Its very important event in the history of Islam.and both are scholars and expert in their field.............

Now you listen to both of them and decide who is more logical.......
 

impulsive

Voter (50+ posts)
Re: Front Line - 14th December 2011 - Special Program with Tahir ul Qadri

Dr.Tahir-ul-Qadri is not asking bring change in the society, he asking to change the current corrupt electoral system. And he is not against the democracy as well.


How will the current corrupt electoral system change???
As I said, I fully respect Dr. Qadri as a scholar and follow his teachings but changing a political landscape requires a lot of struggle which we can see in the form of IK's resurgence.

Again one can have a different political viewpoint but as far as Dr. Qadri's contributions towards our religion are concerned, those are just amazing and hats off to him.
 

mustafvi

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Front Line - 14th December 2011 - Special Program with Tahir ul Qadri

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Gujranwala

Voter (50+ posts)
Re: Front Line - 14th December 2011 - Special Program with Tahir ul Qadri

Molvi Tahir-ul-Padri again in action.... Another Power Hungry Mullah.....
O People and Youth of Pakistan bring me in Power, please. I also worked as hard as Imran Khan. Give me a chance Allah Ke Naam Per.
Dey Ja Sakhiya Rah-e-Khuda!
Tera Allah Boota Lawy Ga!
Dear Brother, consider it carefully. If somebody does not want or need to come into power he would never be in politics or even accept a political position. Everyone including Sharif brothers, Q league, Imran Khan, Maulana, and all other righteous and evil people in the electoral race are there to be in power. So, this much does not disqualify or discredit any of them. It does not even make them blameworthy. So your comments actually don't even say any thing negative about Dr. Qadri. They wouldn't about anybody in the field at all.
On the other hand, your words - if taken as negative remarks - will demand that every righteous person must leave political field (of course for evil people) - which definitely supports the idea of leaving the country for robbers and corrupt people alone.

Can we Pakistan ever think before saying what it actually means?????????? Or whether it stands or not?????? When are we going to be serious??? When on Earth shall we come out of ''personal and baseless grudges'' and start to think as member of a 'nation'??????????????

DO WE REALLY BELIEVE OUR NATION IS JUST WORTH JOKES - AND THAT'S IT?????????????????????????????
 
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BuTurabi

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Front Line - 14th December 2011 - Special Program with Tahir ul Qadri

Dear Brother, consider it carefully. If somebody does not want or need to come into power he would never be in politics or even accept a political position. Everyone including Sharif brothers, Q league, Imran Khan, Maulana, and all other righteous and evil people in the electoral race are there to be in power. So, this much does not disqualify or discredit any of them. It does not even make them blameworthy. So your comments actually don't even say any thing negative about Dr. Qadri. They wouldn't about anybody in the field at all.
On the other hand, your words - if taken as negative remarks - will demand that every righteous person must leave political field (of course for evil people) - which definitely supports the idea of leaving the country for robbers and corrupt people alone.

Can we Pakistan ever think before saying what it actually means?????????? Or whether it stands or not?????? When are we going to be serious??? When on Earth shall we come out of ''personal and baseless grudges'' and start to think as member of a 'nation'??????????????

DO WE REALLY BELIEVE OUR NATION IS JUST WORTH JOKES - AND THAT'S IT?????????????????????????????


Brother, you may never know what a Mullah in Power can do to a country like Pakistan.
No Mullahs, Period. We've witnessed Afghanistan in recent history. These Mullah even don't deserve Mehrab-o-Minber... Saly bunch of Jokers. 95% of low life scumbags go to Madrassa and learn nothing but hate, if they were good for something else they would never go to Madrassa.
By the way, I know Mulla Qadri from Jhang (his birthplace) well before he was in Ittefaq Masjid's Paish Namaz... even before he was in Punjab Univercity... You guys have just seen his rosy face…I know him inside out.


 

Gujranwala

Voter (50+ posts)
Re: Front Line - 14th December 2011 - Special Program with Tahir ul Qadri

How will the current corrupt electoral system change???
As I said, I fully respect Dr. Qadri as a scholar and follow his teachings but changing a political landscape requires a lot of struggle which we can see in the form of IK's resurgence.

Again one can have a different political viewpoint but as far as Dr. Qadri's contributions towards our religion are concerned, those are just amazing and hats off to him.
Thanks for the remarks. I believe it is the positive way of expressing your difference or raising a question. With due respect for Imran Khan and his struggle, Dr. Qadri has raised a very serious question as to whether he will be able to perform or not. Because he certainly can't 'sweep' as he believes he will without having ''winning horses as his candidates''. This rightly cast serious doubts about his ''would be'' performance. More over, he will be within the clutches of this very system and won't be able to do what he wants to do. In Persian, they say.
ہر کہ در کان نمک شد نمک گشت
I hope you will consider the point.
Second point you have raised about the struggle. Yes you are right about that. I can't disagree with you on the point. You can't foresee any change in present evil system with a hard struggle against it and with the help of ''committed people'' - and not ''just individuals angry on some politicians''. I have no idea what Dr. Qadri has in his mind about it. We need to wait. We hope Allah SWT helps the one He likes the most for the betterment of our country and converting our people into a proper nation. Ameen.
 

mustafvi

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Front Line - 14th December 2011 - Special Program with Tahir ul Qadri


Brother, you may never know what a Mullah in Power can do to a country like Pakistan.
No Mullahs, Period. We've witnessed Afghanistan in recent history. These Mullah even don't deserve Mehrab-o-Minber... Saly bunch of Jokers. 95% of low life scumbags go to Madrassa and learn nothing but hate, if they were good for something else they would never go to Madrassa.
By the way, I know Mulla Qadri from Jhang (his birthplace) well before he was in Ittefaq Masjid's Paish Namaz... even before he was in Punjab Univercity... You guys have just seen his rosy face…I know him inside out.



Dr.Tahir-ul-Qadri came to Punjab University in early 70s', right when you were born and you are saying that you know him even before that time, interesting. And by the way lets discuss the topic - the interview, focused on to change the corrupt electoral system.
 
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BuTurabi

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Front Line - 14th December 2011 - Special Program with Tahir ul Qadri

Dr.Tahir-ul-Qadri came to Punjab University in early 70s', right when you were born and you are saying that you know him even before that time, interesting. And by the way lets discuss the topic - the interview, focused on to change the corrupt electoral system.

You don’t have to be part of the Past to know it.
H Ha Ha “Change” a stolen lyric from Imran Khan.
Why now? He left Politics years ago as well his motherland of the fear of Talban (Don’t give me Hijrat example now) I also know about his fatwa about Extremism. He maybe a good speaker, good writer (to some extent in Urdu) good actor, good looking (for some) but not an Islamic Scholar at all. What he’s trying to sell, he doesn’t carry. He’s Plagiarist, everything he has is fake. Stolen from here and there. Pseudo-intellectual, got some Ideas from Iranian revolutionary Mullah’s, from Ustadh Murtaza Mutahhri, from Baqir al-Sadr on Islamic Economy. I’m sick up to stomach of this guy. I’ve listened to him; I’ve read him… all is fake and bogus. Many thanks for your Tableegh, go find some nave Youngman to earn Jannat.
 
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impulsive

Voter (50+ posts)
Re: Front Line - 14th December 2011 - Special Program with Tahir ul Qadri

Thanks for the remarks. I believe it is the positive way of expressing your difference or raising a question. With due respect for Imran Khan and his struggle, Dr. Qadri has raised a very serious question as to whether he will be able to perform or not. Because he certainly can't 'sweep' as he believes he will without having ''winning horses as his candidates''. This rightly cast serious doubts about his ''would be'' performance. More over, he will be within the clutches of this very system and won't be able to do what he wants to do. In Persian, they say.
ہر کہ در کان نمک شد نمک گشت
I hope you will consider the point.
Second point you have raised about the struggle. Yes you are right about that. I can't disagree with you on the point. You can't foresee any change in present evil system with a hard struggle against it and with the help of ''committed people'' - and not ''just individuals angry on some politicians''. I have no idea what Dr. Qadri has in his mind about it. We need to wait. We hope Allah SWT helps the one He likes the most for the betterment of our country and converting our people into a proper nation. Ameen.


Dear Friend, not even once IK has been in power in any capacity so how can we prejudge his performance??? That sounds very pessimistic and we should abstain from such notions. Again how PTI performs in the coming elections are mere speculations, As Dr. Qadri opines he can't sweep the elections but what if it does sweep the elections. The probability is always there for both the outcomes so I believe we should not get carried away with either of the opinions. If you carefully analyze IK's agenda, you would deduce that it is very simple and based on one simple principle, Honesty & Integrity. This is my conviction, given the present state of affairs, a slightly honest government can bring a huge change in our country.

Again I do respect Dr. Qadri's viewpoint on the corrupt electoral system but he has not given a viable solution or an alternative. Right now he is not even present in the country and involved in serving our religion so I think his voice, although based on true facts, won't be taken seriously.
 

such bolo

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Front Line - 14th December 2011 - Special Program with Tahir ul Qadri

بھائی جان یہ جعلی ملا ہے اسکو عالم نا کہو

کبھی دیکھا ہے جعلی ڈاکٹر کو؟؟
سوٹ پہن کر، ٹائی لگا کر اور چشمے پہن کر بیٹھا ہوگا کلینک میں تاکے لوگ اسکو ڈاکٹر سمجھیں

بس یہی مثال ہے قادری صاحب کی
اپنے آپ کو عالم کہلانے کے لئے ہر وہ حربہ استعمال کرتا ہے جس سے عالم لگے
جاہل اور سیدھے سادھے متعصب لوگ تو اسکے چکر میں آجاتے ہیں
مگر الحمدللہ جو قرآن اور حدیث کو جانتے ہیں وہ سمجھ جاتے ہیں کے یہ جعلی ہے

اس لئے میں متنبہ کرتا ہوں پاکستانی عوام کو کہ اس جعلی ملا سے بچیں
 

k.a.kiani

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Front Line - 14th December 2011 - Special Program with Tahir ul Qadri

kiana sahib aap is debate ko ghaseet ker wahin le jayen ge jahan hamare traditional molvi le jatte hain.aur chodiye firqa parasti please agar munafqat dekhni hai tau un logon ke naam padh lain jinhon ne pakistan bante waqat is ki mukhalfat ki aur baad mein siasat bhi pakistan mein karne lage.
aapko b mein achhi tarha jaanta hon aur unnko b. mein sirf apne islaam ko Quran aur hadith ki nazar mein dekhta hon. Mera iman meray lia hai aur unnka imaan unn k liay. m ne tu tahir ul qadri sahib ki zaat k eik rukh dikhaya hai mein ne kab kaha kah jamaat e islaami, aur iss tarha k doosrai sab thik hein balkai mein unnko zayada ghaleez samajhta hon jo islaam k naam per politics kr rahai hein

so don't twist the matter shikra sahib aap k comments barai biased hotai hein lakin mein apne khayalaat rakhnai waala aademi aur flexible b hon. dalil se baat krain gai tu strong dalil na honai per tahqeeq karon ga aur agr phir b dalil na milli tu sachai dil se aapki baat maan lon ga. lakin apne nazriyat ko khayalaat ko aqa'yd ko kisi k hath yunhin nahi rakh don ga.

so aap mujhe sirf ye baat bata'ein kah yeh shakhs jo kr raha hai wo, as scholar of islam, sahi hai ya ghalat. ussk baad un logon ki b baat kr lein gai jinn ki baat ap krna chahtai hein.
 

KhanHaripur

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Tahir ul Qadri Address Bedari e Shaoor Rally in Liaqat Bag Rawalpindi.

Loogo ko dakh k laghta hay k aBhi tak in ki aqaal thikanay nahi aai.
Qadri Saab jab murdy ko Kalma parha sakta hay to phir in murder dil o demagh logo ko address karna kon ki mushkil Baat hay.
 
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ambroxo

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Tahir ul Qadri Address Bedari e Shaoor Rally in Liaqat Bag Rawalpindi.

yar yah log isi umeed per isky jalsay main gy hain kah ho skta hay junab QADRI SAB hamari bhi koi madad kar dain QABER main

Loogo ko dakh k laghta hay k aBhi tak in ki aqaal thikanay nahi aai.
Qadri Saab jab murdy ko Kalma parha sakta hay to phir in murder dil o demagh logo ko adress karna kon ki mushkil Baat hay.
 

samar

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Tahir ul Qadri Address Bedari e Shaoor Rally in Liaqat Bag Rawalpindi.

Loogo ko dakh k laghta hay k aBhi tak in ki aqaal thikanay nahi aai.
Qadri Saab jab murdy ko Kalma parha sakta hay to phir in murder dil o demagh logo ko address karna kon ki mushkil Baat hay.

ajeeb munafikat he.............aik taraf zaid hamid jesey jhootey nabi k perokaar ko promote krtey ho vahan sharam nhi atee............

lakin aik alim se tumhain takleef ho rahee he..............
 

Temojin

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Tahir ul Qadri Address Bedari e Shaoor Rally in Liaqat Bag Rawalpindi.

Loogo ko dakh k laghta hay k aBhi tak in ki aqaal thikanay nahi aai.
Qadri Saab jab murdy ko Kalma parha sakta hay to phir in murder dil o demagh logo ko address karna kon ki mushkil Baat hay.

By the by, where does this relate to a political rally? And for this, looks like you don't know but to follow deen through "your" beloved so called scholars only. Please delve into the matter not through the AINAK of your beloved so called scholars but those who advocate this practice, you might find interesting facts mate.

And don't bother to answer as it was just to point something out, not to debate upon it as my duty is only to inform, rest is with Allah.
 

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