Good-Bye Pakistan: I have decided to leave

[Vitamin_C]

Pakistan is a theocratic State in the sense that religion is written into the constitution. Their laws are based on shariah for example blasphemy laws.

Israel on the other hand is a secular country because they have secular laws.

Pakistan is not even theocratic like Iran and Saudi Arabia. In those countries, state has the monopoly over religion. Another country where religion is controlled by the state is Israel. Israel is not a secular state by any means but look at the GDP, Scientific output, and number of high-tech companies of Israel. In Pakistan, no Moulana of any sect allows state to control his Madrasah and Masjid.

 

[منتظر]

بہت اچھا فیصلہ ہے. بہت جلد پاکستانیوں پر پابندی لگنے والی ہے اور کوئی بھی ملک اس قسم کہ مناظر جو کہ پچھلے دو دن دیکھنے کو ملیں ہیں کہ بعد انہیں ویزا نہیں دے گا. جس نے نکلنا ہے جلد ہجرت کر جائے

سیم بھائی سمجھ نہیں آتی لوگ اس طرح کی باتیں کیوں فورمز پر کرتے ہیں ؟ آپ نے ادھر رہنا ہے یا باہر کے ممالک یہ آپ کا اور اپ کی فیملی کا مسلہ ہے ملک کے حالات کوئی اب تو خراب نہیں ہوے نہ ہی راتوں رات بہتر ہو جائیں گے جب تک اس ملک میں فوج سیاستداں اور عدلیہ اپنا قبلہ درست نہیں کر لیتے پر یہ تب ہو گا جب عوام خود میں تبدیلی لائیں کل ایک کیلے والے بچے کی ویڈیو دیکھی یہ ہمارا معاشرہ ہے ؟ پر اس کو کمپیر کریں باہر ممالک سے تو ادھر لاء اینڈ آرڈر پر سختی سے عمل ہوتا ہے وہ بھی ہماری طرح کی ہی منٹلٹی کے ہی لوگ ہیں صرف قانون سے ڈرتے ہیں آپ کو تو یاد ہی ہو گا دو ہزار ایک میں بجلی کا بریک ڈان ہوا تھا تو پورے امریکہ میں جو لوٹ مار ہوئی تھی وہ کوئی چھپی نہیں ہے کیوں کے اس وقت سسٹم فیل ہو گیا میں سمجھتا ہوں پاکستانی باہر رہ کر بہتر طرز عمل اختیار کرتے ہیں اس لیے ان بھائی کو باہر ہی جانا چاہیے ہے اگر وہ نہ امید ہیں تو
پاکستان کے حالات تب تک درست نھنہو گے جب تک افغان مسلہ حل نہیں ہوتا مغربی بارڈر پر اور کشمیر کا مسلہ مشرقی بارڈر سے اور یہ ہم چاہتے ہی نہیں ہیں اب فوج نے یہ نئی تحریک تیار کی ہے یہ آپ یقین مانیں ان خوارج سے بھی زیادہ خطرناک ثابت ہوں گے ​

 

[Zamaray Khan]

You made the right decision. Religiosity has fucked Pakistan and made it a very suffocating place to live for an intelligent person who is open minded.Till we do not declare Pakistan a secular state and change the constitutions of Pakistan till then Molviz like khadim and Mulla Fazal ullah will keep haunting us. Fair enough Pakistan came into existence in the name of religion but we need to change with the time and shape our country in a way where we can easily operate in 21st century. With the current constitution and tag of Islamic Republic of Pakistan.we are only heading towards the situation of Syria,Afghanistan and Iraq. What i have seen and noticed recently when i was in Pak,every individual deep down inside in Pak was Khadim hussain or mulla Fazal ullah. You talk to people in Pak from taxi driver to business man,from politician to lawyer,from teacher to engineer,from doctor to army officer,from singer to actor,from anchor to journalist everyone is a molvi and in every debate or discussion they will start lecturing religion,start giving you references from Quran and Hadith as if they all are suffering from some psychological disorder who can not think beyond religion and this is the main reason,people like Khdim are so strong and influential in Pakistan.

 

[منتظر]

Lolz..

مسی ساگا سے بہتر اوک ول اور ملٹن نہیں ہیں اب ؟

 

[Tenacious Khan]

Pakistan is a theocratic State in the sense that religion is written into the constitution. Their laws are based on shariah for example blasphemy laws.

Israel on the other hand is a secular country because they have secular laws.

Bravo... dude blasphemy laws were in place even during British raj. They were in place to avoid chaos. So, everyone respects each others Holy personalities.

 

[Vitamin_C]

Yes but the penalty was only up to 10 years imprisonment. The current death penalty is 100% inspired by Shariah law. This is just one example..

Bravo... dude blasphemy laws were in place even during British raj. They were in place to avoid chaos. So, everyone respects each others Holy personalities.

 

[Zamaray Khan]

سیم بھائی سمجھ نہیں آتی لوگ اس طرح کی باتیں کیوں فورمز پر کرتے ہیں ؟ آپ نے ادھر رہنا ہے یا باہر کے ممالک یہ آپ کا اور اپ کی فیملی کا مسلہ ہے ملک کے حالات کوئی اب تو خراب نہیں ہوے نہ ہی راتوں رات بہتر ہو جائیں گے جب تک اس ملک میں فوج سیاستداں اور عدلیہ اپنا قبلہ درست نہیں کر لیتے پر یہ تب ہو گا جب عوام خود میں تبدیلی لائیں کل ایک کیلے والے بچے کی ویڈیو دیکھی یہ ہمارا معاشرہ ہے ؟ پر اس کو کمپیر کریں باہر ممالک سے تو ادھر لاء اینڈ آرڈر پر سختی سے عمل ہوتا ہے وہ بھی ہماری طرح کی ہی منٹلٹی کے ہی لوگ ہیں صرف قانون سے ڈرتے ہیں آپ کو تو یاد ہی ہو گا دو ہزار ایک میں بجلی کا بریک ڈان ہوا تھا تو پورے امریکہ میں جو لوٹ مار ہوئی تھی وہ کوئی چھپی نہیں ہے کیوں کے اس وقت سسٹم فیل ہو گیا میں سمجھتا ہوں پاکستانی باہر رہ کر بہتر طرز عمل اختیار کرتے ہیں اس لیے ان بھائی کو باہر ہی جانا چاہیے ہے اگر وہ نہ امید ہیں تو
پاکستان کے حالات تب تک درست نھنہو گے جب تک افغان مسلہ حل نہیں ہوتا مغربی بارڈر پر اور کشمیر کا مسلہ مشرقی بارڈر سے اور یہ ہم چاہتے ہی نہیں ہیں اب فوج نے یہ نئی تحریک تیار کی ہے یہ آپ یقین مانیں ان خوارج سے بھی زیادہ خطرناک ثابت ہوں گے ​

Khadim is the product of Army. If Army can do operation against ttp in tribal area than why not against terrorist khadim army is not doing who is sitting in Lahore and threatening the whole govt,army and judges. Why cant army do operation against terrorist like khadim,who has brain washed mumtaz qadri and made him kill Governor Punjab. Army needs to sort itself our and it needs to stop making these Jahadi organisation who are haunting the whole Pak.

 

[Hussain1967]

Pakistan is a theocratic State in the sense that religion is written into the constitution. Their laws are based on shariah for example blasphemy laws.

Israel on the other hand is a secular country because they have secular laws.

Most of Pakistani laws are based upon British law. For example, Sharia laws for theft, robbery, adultery etc. are different than what we have in Pakistan. Below is the Israeli law on Blasphemy.

Article 173 of the Israel’s penal code constitutes a de facto “blasphemy” law, mandating a one year term of imprisonment if: “One publishes a publication that is liable to crudely offend the religious faith or sentiment of others,

 

[Steyn]

First of all, my introduction. I have been on Siasat.pk website since 2011. I am a 38-year old Muslim Pakistani currently working and living in Lahore.I did my BS in Electrical Engineering from a famous public-sector University, and my MS and PhD in Electrical Engineering from a top US University and was funded through TA-ship and RA-ship. My economic background is middle-class. My religious background is that I am a moderate (neither liberal nor fundamentalist) Muslim who firmly believes in the last prophet-hood of Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) and who tries his best to discharge his religious obligations.

I came back to Pakistan partly because of my family-reasons and partly because of my desire to work for my country. Over the past many years, I have been witnessing increasing intolerance in Pakistan. I saw Taliban taking over few parts of the country which Pakistani State took back after many years of intense fighting. During all those years when Pakistani State was fighting with Taliban I was never extremely worried or dejected b/c I knew that Taliban's support-base was limited, both in number and geography. I never became despondent because of rampant corruption b/c I knew that a new party (PTI) was struggling against it and was drawing positive response from public. However, a new phenomenon has arisen ever since Mumtaz Qadri was hanged on account of assassinating ex-Governor, Salman Taseer and this is what has bothered me the most. It is TLP (Tehreek Labbaik Pakistan).

Last year, TLP successfully blocked various parts of the country and made State of Pakistan surrender by forcing two of its ministers to resign. When the then govt asked military to take action against protesters, military refused. This year, they achieved bigger success and Pakistan suffered bigger capitulation. They not only made country stand-still for three days but also gave 'Fatwas' of killing Supreme Court Judges, declared COAS as Qadiani, incited army's ranks-n-files to stage rebellion against its own Chief, and declared Prime Minister of the country as Jew. And guess, after all this, they not only got away with it but also forced Govt to sign another agreement of capitulation. On the other hand we see that many people have been booked in Pakistan under sedition charges. Latest example was of Altaf Hussain of MQM.

I just couldn't understand why the country was blocked in the first place. Highest Court in our country has given a decision (by setting free a christian woman of Blasphemy charges) and we want to set-up our own court and hang that woman. You can disagree with any judgement of any court but you can't disobey the judgement. Blasphemy is not what you think. Blasphemy is what Court decides. This is no argument that when two courts declared her as Blasphemous, then how could the third court declared her non-blasphemous. Supreme Court's decision is not one out of three decisions. It is the only decision that matters. There are numerous examples from the past history of Pakistan when lower courts declared a person guilty and SC freed him/her. There are many examples where lower courts freed a person and SC found him/her guilty. In all these cases, it was the SC decision that mattered, and got implemented.

Another point to worry here is that TLP was supported by all religious parties and all sects of Muslims. Yesterday, I offered Juma prayer in a Deobandi Masjid. The Khateeb was shedding light on Namoos-e-Rasool. At one point, he said that his Bazurgaan (older scholars) have stated that Namoos-e-Risaalat should be protected even if whole Muslim Ummah gets destroyed. He gave no reference of Quraan or Hadith to support this very statement (That way he was justifying the destruction of properties of Pakistanis). This made me shudder. No Muslim can have any doubt on Namoos-e-Risaalat. It is part of his faith. What our scholars should have talked about in Juma was, "what is punishment for those who refuse to accept highest court's decision on any matter including Namoos-e-Risaalat matter?" Isn't it tantamount to sedition (Baghawat)? what is punishment of sedition in Islam? But, alas! no Muslim scholar chose this topic. Everyone wants easy path to Jannah!

I tell you an incident that is much more pertinent to the case-at-hand (i.e. The SC's decision in favor of Asia Bibi) than what our scholars have been saying over the past three days. The incident is about a legal case between Hazrat Ali and a Jew. Hazrat Ali filed a lawsuit against a Jew that his (Ali's) armor was missing and was currently in possession of that particular Jew. Qazi (CJ of that time) asked the Jew if Armor belonged to Hazrat Ali. Jew denied it. Qazi asked Hazrat Ali to bring two witnesses in support of his claim. He brought Hazrat Hassan (his son) and his freed-slave as witnesses. Qazi said that I accept the witness of your freed-slave but not that of your son, so bring second witness. Hazrat Ali said that he didn't have any other witness. Qazi gave verdict in favor of Jew.

Did Sahaaba and Tabaeen take out processions against Qazi that how did he dare give decision against Ameer-ul-Momineen and in favor of a Jew? Did Qazi think that Ali was (Naoozobillah) telling a lie and Jew was speaking a truth? No. No one criticized Qazi. Neither did Hazrat Ali. Qazi gave verdict based on principles and not based on the fact that plaintiff was Ameer-ul-Momineen/Damaad-e-Rasool and defendant was a Jew.

Lastly, I narrate an authentic Hadith about the decisions made by Qazi. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said. "If the judge rules and strives his utmost to work it out and gets it right, he will have two rewards, and if he rules and strives his utmost to work it out and gets it wrong, he will have one reward".(Sahih Al-Bukhari: 7352, Sahih Al-Muslim: 1716).

The present arrangement made by our govt will not last long. Those who have read the detailed verdict of SC can tell you the fate of review petition. SC's original decision will be upheld, TLP will not accept it again, and we will witness the repeat of the last three-days but at bigger scale. You see that TLP didn't agree to write this point in the last-night agreement that all parties will accept the decision of review petition.

Keeping in view all the above, I have started looking out for Post-Doc and other jobs in my field abroad and hope to get some good offer soon. Pakistan has become a den of extremists. Everyone fears them be it Army, Police, Judges, Politicians etc.

Two things

1. There is only one Islam and there is only one type of Muslim. Educate yourself. Every muslim is a fundamentalist. There is no liberal or fundamentalist Muslim, there is only one Muslim. You follow the Holy Quran and Prophet Muhammad (SAWW) teachings according to our Prophet Muhammad (SAWW) taught us and you're a Muslim. What in the hell is a fundementalist muslim or liberal muslim, who the hell is anyone to follow Islam in anyway except what the Prophet Muhammad (SAWW) has taught us. I don't think you should run away from a Muslim country if you've already eaten the Islamophobic propaganda and digested it. I suggest learning more about Islam instead.

2. Don't you dare compare the highest morality of our Sahabas(R.A) with this pathetic SC judges. How dare you compare their(R.A) actions to these corrupt judges. Nawaz Sharif and Zardari are roaming free because of these judges. Astaghfirullah. There are theories about why she was freed and one of the theory is because of international pressure. Sahabas (R.A) feared Allah and Allah alone and followed Prophet Muhammad(SAWW) teachings, they never feared international pressure or pleasing someone else than Allah.

The incidents you quoted are examples of the true justice and how unshakable they were on morality. They treated the poor, the rich, the powerful equally.

Nobody in Pakistan would say that Pakistan has justice and everyone is a victim of judiciary and injustice is everywhere.

Feel free to fly away, i am doing it too soon InshaAllah but my reason is because of the judiciary. I don't want to live in a country where there is no justice, where if you've money then law is by your side and if you're poor then law is against your side. Where if a criminal is released then the excuse is technicalities even though a kid and the judges themselves know they're releasing criminals.

 

[bahir-sayin]

Every one can live every where. Leave Pakistan if you have reasonable job. Know it Post doctrate is not a job. It is high exploitation of talented people at very low rate. You will get frustrated from post doc soon after you win it. Many people can offer you POST DOCTRATE but it will not be a good choice. You can do post doc if u intend to add somme papers to your profile. Do not waste time for post doc.

 

[Vitamin_C]

3 years ago I was dating a Russian girl from Siberia and she used to talk to her mom over skype every friday and sometimes I would be around and talk to her for a few minutes. At that time there was an incident in Pakistan, I cant remember exactly but I think extremist shoot shia pilgrims in a bus.

Her mother looked at me with a concerned face when I explained it to here and I wont forget what she said. "Do those people literally believe in religion"?

I was confused because my gf's mother was a practising orthodox Christian and there were very few religious people in Soviet Union and she was one of them and even she understands what faith is and what reality is.

Unfortunately people in Pakistan are living in a video game that is defined by their faith. Its like the movie matrix, almost the entire country is plugged into it.

In Israel 40% of the population is secular so they can appease their Mullahs by giving them domestic laws and marriage issues while keeping the rest of the country secular. In Pakistan less than 20% of population is secular, rest is deeply plugged into a delusion, where you question some of the things they believe in and they lose their shit and look at us like we are crazy.

You made the right decision. Religiosity has fucked Pakistan and made it a very suffocating place to live for an intelligent person who is open minded.Till we do not declare Pakistan a secular state and change the constitutions of Pakistan till then Molviz like khadim and Mulla Fazal ullah will keep haunting us. Fair enough Pakistan came into existence in the name of religion but we need to change with the time and shape our country in a way where we can easily operate in 21st century. With the current constitution and tag of Islamic Republic of Pakistan.we are only heading towards the situation of Syria,Afghanistan and Iraq. What i have seen and noticed recently when i was in Pak,every individual deep down inside in Pak was Khadim hussain or mulla Fazal ullah. You talk to people in Pak from taxi driver to business man,from politician to lawyer,from teacher to engineer,from doctor to army officer,from singer to actor,from anchor to journalist everyone is a molvi and in every debate or discussion they will start lecturing religion,start giving you references from Quran and Hadith as if they all are suffering from some psychological disorder who can not think beyond religion and this is the main reason,people like Khdim are so strong and influential in Pakistan.

 

[Zamaray Khan]

3 years ago I was dating a Russian girl from Siberia and she used to talk to her mom over skype every friday and sometimes I would be around and talk to her for a few minutes. At that time there was an incident in Pakistan, I cant remember exactly but I think extremist shoot shia pilgrims in a bus.

Her mother looked at me with a concerned face when I explained it to here and I wont forget what she said. "Do those people literally believe in religion"?

I was confused because my gf's mother was a practising orthodox Christian and there were very few religious people in Soviet Union and she was one of them and even she understands what faith is and what reality is.

Unfortunately people in Pakistan are living in a video game that is defined by their faith. Its like the movie matrix, almost the entire country is plugged into it.

In Israel 40% of the population is secular so they can appease their Mullahs by giving them domestic laws and marriage issues while keeping the rest of the country secular. In Pakistan less than 20% of population is secular, rest is deeply plugged into a delusion, where you question some of the things they believe in and they lose their shit and look at us like we are crazy.

You are spot on.

 

[First Strike]

This is yours personal decision. Let me tell you my story. I am living in Canada since 2005; working in public sector. I visit Pakistan every year. I started making small investments in property in Pakistan. Two of my brothers who were living abroad as well, moved to Pakistan five years ago. They are much more satisfied in Pakistan than a common Pakistani who didn’t get a chance to go abroad. There is no doubt that Pakistan has challenges but there is hope as well. I have also decided to move back to Pakistan soon permanently. I have visited 21 countries but let me assure you that Pakistan has the greatest potential. Future is ours. Insha’Allah Pakistan will overcome religious fanatics and liberal fascists very soon.

 

[Vitamin_C]

Blasphemy laws exist in Germany and Austria as well, just last week an Austrian Woman was fined by European Commission for Human Rights course for blaspheming Prophet Muhammad. These laws are within their limits for example people can criticize religious ideas as long as the criticism is valid/objective. But they cannot criticize to start conflicts etc. In Pakistan television even objective criticism of religion will be considered blasphemy.

In Israel, except for marriage/domestic laws every law is secular. Just so you can feel good about Pakistan. Their Mullah's have made a mess out of marriage laws and Israelis have to fly to Cyprus to get married.

Most of Pakistani laws are based upon British law. For example, Sharia laws for theft, robbery, adultery etc. are different than what we have in Pakistan. Below is the Israeli law on Blasphemy.

Article 173 of the Israel’s penal code constitutes a de facto “blasphemy” law, mandating a one year term of imprisonment if: “One publishes a publication that is liable to crudely offend the religious faith or sentiment of others,

 

[Hussain1967]

You made the right decision. Religiosity has fucked Pakistan and made it a very suffocating place to live for an intelligent person who is open minded.Till we do not declare Pakistan a secular state and change the constitutions of Pakistan till then Molviz like khadim and Mulla Fazal ullah will keep haunting us. Fair enough Pakistan came into existence in the name of religion but we need to change with the time and shape our country in a way where we can easily operate in 21st century. With the current constitution and tag of Islamic Republic of Pakistan.we are only heading towards the situation of Syria,Afghanistan and Iraq. What i have seen and noticed recently when i was in Pak,every individual deep down inside in Pak was Khadim hussain or mulla Fazal ullah. You talk to people in Pak from taxi driver to business man,from politician to lawyer,from teacher to engineer,from doctor to army officer,from singer to actor,from anchor to journalist everyone is a molvi and in every debate or discussion they will start lecturing religion,start giving you references from Quran and Hadith as if they all are suffering from some psychological disorder who can not think beyond religion and this is the main reason,people like Khdim are so strong and influential in Pakistan.

The highlighted text above is the reason that Army or Govt can't do operation against the likes of Khadim Rizvi. Mullah Fazlullah was a different case. He was limited to a small geographical region. Khadim and his thoughts are spread all across the country and in every department including Army. Didn't you listen a Moulvi in Khadim's Dharna who was inciting IK's wife to kill him? Wasn't Afzal Qadri inciting army for mutiny against COAS and inciting people to kill SC judges?

 

[Hussain1967]

Every one can live every where. Leave Pakistan if you have reasonable job. Know it Post doctrate is not a job. It is high exploitation of talented people at very low rate. You will get frustrated from post doc soon after you win it. Many people can offer you POST DOCTRATE but it will not be a good choice. You can do post doc if u intend to add somme papers to your profile. Do not waste time for post doc.

Thanks for your advice. I know about Post-Doc. It's only for 1-3 years to either get a faculty position or to get entry into that country in first place.

 

[samkhan]

سیم بھائی سمجھ نہیں آتی لوگ اس طرح کی باتیں کیوں فورمز پر کرتے ہیں ؟ آپ نے ادھر رہنا ہے یا باہر کے ممالک یہ آپ کا اور اپ کی فیملی کا مسلہ ہے ملک کے حالات کوئی اب تو خراب نہیں ہوے نہ ہی راتوں رات بہتر ہو جائیں گے جب تک اس ملک میں فوج سیاستداں اور عدلیہ اپنا قبلہ درست نہیں کر لیتے پر یہ تب ہو گا جب عوام خود میں تبدیلی لائیں کل ایک کیلے والے بچے کی ویڈیو دیکھی یہ ہمارا معاشرہ ہے ؟ پر اس کو کمپیر کریں باہر ممالک سے تو ادھر لاء اینڈ آرڈر پر سختی سے عمل ہوتا ہے وہ بھی ہماری طرح کی ہی منٹلٹی کے ہی لوگ ہیں صرف قانون سے ڈرتے ہیں آپ کو تو یاد ہی ہو گا دو ہزار ایک میں بجلی کا بریک ڈان ہوا تھا تو پورے امریکہ میں جو لوٹ مار ہوئی تھی وہ کوئی چھپی نہیں ہے کیوں کے اس وقت سسٹم فیل ہو گیا میں سمجھتا ہوں پاکستانی باہر رہ کر بہتر طرز عمل اختیار کرتے ہیں اس لیے ان بھائی کو باہر ہی جانا چاہیے ہے اگر وہ نہ امید ہیں تو
پاکستان کے حالات تب تک درست نھنہو گے جب تک افغان مسلہ حل نہیں ہوتا مغربی بارڈر پر اور کشمیر کا مسلہ مشرقی بارڈر سے اور یہ ہم چاہتے ہی نہیں ہیں اب فوج نے یہ نئی تحریک تیار کی ہے یہ آپ یقین مانیں ان خوارج سے بھی زیادہ خطرناک ثابت ہوں گے ​

صحیح کہا آپ نے منتظر بھائی، یہ فتنہ خوارج سے زیادہ خطرناک ہے. ابھی تو مولویوں نے صرف ٹریلر دکھایا ہے اور ریاست گٹھنوں کہ بل جھک گئی .اس فتنے پر آج ہم قابو بھی پالیں تو جو گند انہوں نے ہماری عوام کہ ذہنوں میں گھولا ہے اس کہ اثرات کئی دہائیوں تک رہینگے

 

[Steyn]

3 years ago I was dating a Russian girl from Siberia and she used to talk to her mom over skype every friday and sometimes I would be around and talk to her for a few minutes. At that time there was an incident in Pakistan, I cant remember exactly but I think extremist shoot shia pilgrims in a bus.

Her mother looked at me with a concerned face when I explained it to here and I wont forget what she said. "Do those people literally believe in religion"?

I was confused because my gf's mother was a practising orthodox Christian and there were very few religious people in Soviet Union and she was one of them and even she understands what faith is and what reality is.

Unfortunately people in Pakistan are living in a video game that is defined by their faith. Its like the movie matrix, almost the entire country is plugged into it.

In Israel 40% of the population is secular so they can appease their Mullahs by giving them domestic laws and marriage issues while keeping the rest of the country secular. In Pakistan less than 20% of population is secular, rest is deeply plugged into a delusion, where you question some of the things they believe in and they lose their shit and look at us like we are crazy.

You dating a whore doesn't prove anything.

There are a lot of idiots in this world and every country has a fair share of it. If those idiots were to force their opinion upon us and they were allowed then the world would've stopped existing.

Your knowledge also seems to be based on your experience with Christians and Jews which aren't role models for anything and their books are altered by humans. Even i would agree that they are living in their own reality believing in some really strange stuff such as the trinity or being born with sin etc.

You have refused the miracles of Holy Quran and made a video game for yourself playing based on your own rules. But that doesn't make it true.

I am still waiting for your rebuttal of the Holy Quran challenge. How can you NOT defeat the challenge of a 1400 year old book i wonder if you're so smart.

 

[Humi]

مسی ساگا سے بہتر اوک ول اور ملٹن نہیں ہیں اب ؟

Yeah I have a few friends who live there.... Not a bad place. I am still very used to Mississauga though and don't see much of a problem with it.

 

[Zamaray Khan]

The highlighted text above is the reason that Army or Govt can't do operation against the likes of Khadim Rizvi. Mullah Fazlullah was a different case. He was limited to a small geographical region. Khadim and his thoughts are spread all across the country and in every department including Army. Didn't you listen a Moulvi in Khadim's Dharna who was inciting IK's wife to kill him? Wasn't Afzal Qadri inciting army for mutiny against COAS and inciting people to kill SC judges?

So you are completely denying the phenomena of targeted operation based on military intelligence ISI. If a state uses its resources and powers firmly and in the right direction,people like khadim would have no feet to stand and If you get rid of Khadim's kind of characters,rest would have their lessons otherwise the stater should just surrender. Lets face it,army has double standards and different rules for different individuals depending on their language and geography.
By the way who has pumped and encouraged Khadim against pmln govt? Army.who was the founder of Siphah Sihaba or Lashkare Jangvi? Army. Who was the founder of Altaf hussain and mqm to weaken ppp in sindh? Army. Who is the guardian of Hafiz Saeed? Army. and i can give you thousands of examples about the mess which army has made in Pakistan in the name of religion and political disability. Who has killed Mumtaz Bhuttu? Amry. Who has killed Zulfiqar ali Bhuttu? Army. My friend lets not go there because if i opened up proper about the Amry's adventures in Pak,next time i will be arrested at Islamabad airport and my family would never see me again. It is all a dirty game where common and innocent people are the victims.