Good-Bye Pakistan: I have decided to leave

[Steyn]

Quran says universe is an Expanse/vastness (noun) meaning it is big and this is nothing new, same thing in almost every other religion and humans have known this for atleast 10,000 years. After the expanding universe discovery some dishonest mullahs changed the translation from expanse (noun) to expanding (verb). Find me one Tafsir or translation that was written before 19th century that says Universe is expanding?

Quran is a book. A book is not evidence. There has to be physical evidence that can be measured, observed, and verified by third party. I gave you example of evidence for big bang, where is evidence for God?

People can believe in whatever they want, Gods, Fairies, Ginis, Flat Earth. But if there is no evidence to support those claims there is no reason for any intelligent person to believe in it.

Just because no one knows where the universe comes from does not mean that you can pull something out of your arse and assert it without any evidence. We cannot make a judgement on any claim or assertion if we do not have evidence to believe it. This is called an argument from ignorance. Its the same argument Greeks used to say lightening is caused by Zeus throwing bolts from the sky.

I love that you jump to attack a point which islamophobes have provided some explanation for you and completely avoid my other points hehe.

This is nothing new, islamophobes are known for their extremely inaccurate translations to prove their point. Like the verses in Surah Baqra always taken out of context. Sigh, tge reality behind this expanding/vast word

https://www.bismikaallahuma.org/polemical-rebuttals/musiun-expanding/

You can rebut anything if you twist words and meanings to your liking, that doesn't make it any true. You have somehow deluded yourself into thinking what we know today was known by ancient man, jeez but I digress. Don't want to get into this discussion about how retarded science was until very recently about the world.

No explanation for from where universe came into being is an atheists problem not of a theist. You're rejecting evidence, very tangible evidence and don't even have a good explanation for your point of view. The Holy Quran says God is the creator and it gives a challenge, defeat the challenge?.

You're making an argument from ignorance the way i see it, i am only pointing out no explanation for big bang as the problem that you face. My faith isn't based on that. You're ignorant about the Holy Quran and have thus reached to a conclusion that it is just another book and no God exists. How ignorant is that?

It's the same as if i were to say Shakespeare is bullshit because someone said so, i haven't read it and am not gonna read it.

 

[Vitamin_C]

I love that you jump to attack a point which islamophobes have provided some explanation for you and completely avoid my other points hehe.

This is nothing new, islamophobes are known for their extremely inaccurate translations to prove their point. Like the verses in Surah Baqra always taken out of context. Sigh, tge reality behind this expanding/vast word

https://www.bismikaallahuma.org/polemical-rebuttals/musiun-expanding/

You can rebut anything if you twist words and meanings to your liking, that doesn't make it any true. You have somehow deluded yourself into thinking what we know today was known by ancient man, jeez but I digress. Don't want to get into this discussion about how retarded science was until very recently about the world.

You claimed that Quran talks about expanding universe, I said that its a forgery in the new translation that when science found out about expanding universe dishonest molvis changed the translation from a noun into a verb. If you still insist that Quran talks about expanding universe then show me translation or Tafsir before 19th century. Doesnt matter what people knew at that time or did not know, if you claim that Quran knew then prove it.

No explanation for from where universe came into being is an atheists problem not of a theist. You're rejecting evidence, very tangible evidence and don't even have a good explanation for your point of view. The Holy Quran says God is the creator and it gives a challenge, defeat the challenge?.

Thats not how the burden of proof works. The onus is on the person making the claim to prove the claim, not on the person rejecting it to disprove it. This is basic. You have to show evidence to support the claim you are making and you cant get away from it by saying disprove it. I don't have to disprove every single of the 600,000+ gods worshipped at some point on Earth, its their job to prove it and until they do it I do not have to believe it.

No explanation of where the universe came from is not a problem of theism or atheism, its a problem of physics.
Until we have concrete evidence in support of a theory we cannot make a judgement on this. But if you claim you have evidence to support your claim of where the universe comes from then do share it with us but so far no one has.

You're making an argument from ignorance the way i see it, i am only pointing out no explanation for big bang as the problem that you face. My faith isn't based on that. You're ignorant about the Holy Quran and have thus reached to a conclusion that it is just another book and no God exists. How ignorant is that?

An argument from ignorance is when you point to a lack of understanding of a particular topic and use it to assert your explanation without an evidence. Because Mankind has not discovered what happened before the big bang, you are using that to pull something out of your arse and assert it without any evidence.

When I ask you for evidence of God, you have none and you point to a book which says I am God. I seriously think you are trolling right now.