Hiring of Pakistani fighters for Bahrain angers Iran

such bolo

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Hiring of Pak fighters for Bahrain angers Iran

Bahrain has a Shia majority, then why cant they chose there own leader.

Under Pakistani constitution, majority rules. So what so wrong about this whole issue?
Why are we painting this affair as Pakistani acting as a front line state for Sunni.. when Pakistani President him self a Shia?

Bismillah


According to your logic paksitan should be considered as sunni state as majority of pakistan is sunni...so why in case of Pakistan this rule does not apply???

such bolo
 
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awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Hiring of Pak fighters for Bahrain angers Iran

Bismillah


According to your logic paksitan should be considered as sunni state as majority of pakistan is sunni...so why in case of Pakistan this rule does not apply???

such bolo

Pakistan IS a sunni Muslim state. All laws are made according to Sunni interpretations of Islam.
 

GeoG

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Hiring of Pak fighters for Bahrain angers Iran

Pakistan IS a sunni Muslim state. All laws are made according to Sunni interpretations of Islam.

Can you please state Article of our Constitution bars a Shia or any other sect from becoming President, PM or COAS.
 

Waseem

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Re: Hiring of Pak fighters for Bahrain angers Iran

Guys please stick to the topic, don't turn it into a sect debate.
 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Hiring of Pak fighters for Bahrain angers Iran

Brother Enigma
Assalam-o-alaikum
I am not claiming that Zardari is SHIA.. I was replying to bro HANS for his point of view.
I think these rulers dont have any religion. They have sold their souls to .,.,.,.,.,.,><><><><><>..;)
 
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Pakistan's Blackwater

Introduction
During the uprisings in Bahrain, it emerged that there are organizations of former Pakistani soldiers, which recruit former and current Pakistani soldiers as well as youth to work in security-related jobs in the Middle East, similar to a role played by Blackwater and other private security firms.[1] These organizations are known as ex-servicemen societies. The information about the activities of these organizations was revealed when several Pakistanis were killed by Shia protesters in Bahrain for serving in the Bahraini security forces and supporting the Sunni regime there.[2] Also, Bahraini Foreign Minister Sheikh Khaled bin Ahmed Al-Khalifa recently held meetings in Islamabad, where the two sides agreed to augment defense cooperation.[3]
While the expression "Ex-Servicemen Society" may refer to many organizations of former Pakistani soldiers, it is mainly used by the Pakistani media to refer to the Pakistan Ex-Servicemen Association (PESA), one of the leading organizations of former Pakistani soldiers.[4] Some other leading ex-servicemen societies are the Fauji Foundation and Bahria Foundation.
PESA's most visible face in Pakistan is Lt.-Gen. Hamid Gul, who is known to have nurtured the Taliban when he was the chief of the Pakistani military's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) in the 1980s. In 2008, senior Pakistani journalist Ansar Abbasi reported that the U.S. handed over a list of four former ISI officials, including Lt.-Gen. Hamid Gul, to the UN Security Council to put them on the list of international terrorists under UN Security Council Resolution 1267.[5]
Pakistani Ex-Servicemen Society Accused of Advocating Jihad
The Pakistan Ex-Servicemen Association (PESA) claims to have more than 2,000 members. Established in January 2008 under the chairmanship of Lt.-Gen. (retired) Faiz Ali Chishti, it has spearheaded a public campaign against the U.S. as well as against the pro-U.S. policies of General Pervez Musharraf over his decision to support the war against terror.[6]
During the recent controversy over the arrest of CIA contractor Raymond Davis, PESA sent an email to all of its members in which it underlined the need to use "interrogation techniques such as waterboarding" against CIA agents, stating: "Raymond Davis is seen as a saboteur operating as a mercenary for the destabilization of Pakistan, under the protection of the U.S. government"[7]
Although PESA was formed as a voice against the emergency rule imposed by General Musharraf, it is controlled by mainly right-wing leaders like Hamid Gul and Asad Durrani, who is also, like Gul, a former chief of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). Over the years, the organization has been hijacked by Gul and his supporters. Pakistani politicians have accused PESA of advocating jihad. At a meeting in Islamabad in February 2009, some Pakistani politicians criticized PESA leaders, stating that they "were still living in the 80s, and had no idea of the present-day threats and challenges facing Pakistan. Required in the present situation... [the politicians] stressed, was peace and dialogue with international powers, not jihad, as they were propagating."[8]
Reports: Fauji Foundation, Bahria Foundation Recruiting Mercenaries
Both PESA and the Fauji Foundation, like other ex-servicemen societies, are believed to be working in close cooperation with the Pakistani military, especially its Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). Generally, a top serving officer heads an ex-servicemen society. An individual can be a member of several ex-servicemen societies simultaneously.
While there are no media reports of PESA directly recruiting Pakistani mercenaries, the Fauji Foundation and the Bahria Foundation have been accused of recruiting mercenaries to fight against protesters in Bahrain. According to a readers' discussion on the website of a Pakistani newspaper, the Bahria Foundation, a charitable trust set up in 1982 for the welfare of former naval employees under the chairmanship of the Pakistan Navy chief, is engaged in recruiting Pakistani youth and ex-servicemen for deployment in Bahrain. [9]
Such a role of recruiting mercenaries from Pakistan has also been played over the years by the Fauji Foundation, which was set up in 1954. According to a Pakistani media report, the foundation "serves as a trust for ex-servicemen and their families. It is believed to be among the largest industrial conglomerates in the country." Recently, it has been involved, though not for the first time, in recruitment for Bahrain's security services.
In March 2011, the Overseas Employment Services (OES) of the Fauji Foundation placed advertisements in Urdu-language Pakistani newspapers to "immediately" recruit Pakistani youth for the Bahrain National Guard.[10] One such advertisement specified recruitments for the following job categories: "officers (majors), Pakistan Military Academy drill instructors, anti-riot instructors, security guards, and military police as well as cooks and mess waiters"[11] A Pakistani newspaper report noted: "The requirement for anti-riot instructors was NCOs (non-commissioned officers) from the Sindh Rangers or officers of an equivalent rank from the Elite Police Force."[12]
From Pakistani media reports, it emerges that the Fauji Foundation is playing the lead role of recruiting securitymen from Pakistan to confront the protesters in Bahrain.
Editorial in Pakistani Daily: "By Allowing Mercenaries to Serve the Bahraini Monarchy, Pakistan has Dangerously Taken Sides"
In an editorial titled "Neutrality on Bahrain," the leading Pakistani newspaper The Express Tribune noted recently: "Even before the uprising broke out, many Pakistanis were serving in the Bahraini police force. Since the troubles began, Bahrain has been recruiting mercenaries from Pakistan to bolster its police and armed forces. We have allowed them to do so unhindered. Bahrainis are understandably enraged"[13]
The editorial added: "By allowing mercenaries to serve the Bahraini monarchy, Pakistan has dangerously taken sides in what may turn out to be a geopolitical, ethnic nightmare. The population of Bahrain is overwhelmingly Shia while the ruling family is Sunni. Iran is naturally supporting the protesters while Saudi Arabia is on the side of the king. Thanks to the mercenaries, the impression will now stick that Pakistan is on the anti-Iran side"[14]
In the past, Pakistani military officers have directly engaged in supporting Arab regimes. Brigadier Ziaul Haq, who later became the military ruler of Pakistan, headed a division of the Jordanian army that "massacred scores of Palestinians," straining Pakistan's relations with Palestinians.[15] Even now, recruitment of mercenaries from Pakistan cannot be facilitated without the Pakistani military.

* Y. Carmon is President of Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI); Tufail Ahmad is Director ofMEMRI's South Asia Studies Project (www.memri.org/sasp)

Endnotes:
[1]In recent years, Pakistani clerics and political leaders have accused the CIA and private U.S. security firm Blackwater of carrying out terror attacks and suicide bombings across Pakistan. Such criticisms are not limited to common people. Former Pakistan Army Chief General Aslam Beg recently alleged that CIA contractor Raymond Davis was working as an agent of four foreign intelligence services in order to carry out terror attacks in Pakistan. See: Former Pakistan Army Chief General Aslam Beg: Raymond Davis was 'Working as a Coordinator of Four Important Foreign Secret Agencies in Our Country', MEMRI Special Dispatches Series No. 3706, March 27, 2011.
[2] According to a report in the Pakistani newspaper The Express Tribune of March 21, 2011, at least four Pakistani nationals, some of them in Bahraini police service, were lynched by protesters in Bahrain.
[3] Dawn (Pakistan), March 30, 2011.
[4] The expression "Ex-Servicemen Society" is also an informal reference to organizations set up for the welfare of former Pakistani security. Such organizations include groups like the Fauji Foundation, Pakistan Ex-Servicemen Association, Defense Society (which promotes residential needs of former soldiers) and Pensioners' Association. Many of these organizations are headed by serving Pakistani officers in ex-officio positions.
[5] The News (Pakistan), December 4, 2008.
[6] www.pesapak.com (Pakistan), accessed April 1, 2011. According to the official website, PESA, which also sometimes referred as the Ex-Servicemen Society of Pakistan, was formed as a movement against General Pervez Musharraf's decision to sack the higher judiciary and impose emergency rule in 2007.
[7] The Express Tribune (Pakistan), March 15, 2011.
[8] The News (Pakistan), February 9, 2009.
[9] For a discussion of the role of mercenaries recruited by the Bahria Foundation and Fauzi Foundation, describing them as Pakistani Blackwater, see this link: http://tribune.com.pk/story/137650/bahrain-and-pakistan/
[10] The Express Tribune (Pakistan), March 11, 2011.
[11] The Express Tribune (Pakistan), March 11, 2011.
[12] The Express Tribune (Pakistan), March 11, 2011.
[13] The Express Tribune (Pakistan), March 24, 2011.
[14] The Express Tribune (Pakistan), March 24, 2011.
[15] The Express Tribune (Pakistan), March 17, 2011.


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rakeem

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Hiring of Pak fighters for Bahrain angers Iran

Brother Bio, who told u that this zardari is shia????
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Zardari neither sunni nor shia, he is a munafiq, doing his bit to destroy Pakistan, and keeping his US paymasters happy.
 

United4Pak

Minister (2k+ posts)
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Bahrain should offer Citizenship to Pakistanis living over 15 years
Iran can not complain then and it will be a long term solution for Bahrain.

This is artificial change of demography. Would you prefer if Indians sent thousands of Hindus in Kashmire in order to change the demography so that they can have required results in election. I guess not.

I am very disappointed with this kind of response from you especially when you are an IK supporter. I wonder if Kaloo and non muslim or non sunnis would have any space in "your" version of PTI?
 

sarbakaf

Siasat.pk - Blogger
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well if its true then its good...
whats the harm in helping your friends ????
openly or secretly ...
 

GeoG

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Hiring of Pak fighters for Bahrain angers Iran

This is artificial change of demography. Would you prefer if Indians sent thousands of Hindus in Kashmire in order to change the demography so that they can have required results in election. I guess not.

I am very disappointed with this kind of response from you especially when you are an IK supporter. I wonder if Kaloo and non muslim or non sunnis would have any space in "your" version of PTI?

Read Post 16, you will get your answer
In fact you should have done that before writing this post.

Party policy is based on majority decision, individuals only have opinions and I have my opinion, you don't have to agree with it.
 

jaanmark

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Pakistan's Blackwater

I thing the head of blackwater in pakistan is Rehman Malik , who is also running Private Spy Agency in London: Shaffaf Limited in london .


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United4Pak

Minister (2k+ posts)
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Bahrain is a kingdom and Pakistan an Islamic Democracy
Most of Western Democracy offer citizenship to residents, residing over 5 years legally, 10 years illegally for families and 14 years illegally for single persons, I proposed 15 years, what is wrong with it, King has powers to award citizenship to even non residents.

I don't understand. Are you legitimising the actions of minority rulers in Bahrain by allowing more people to be citizens when they don't have the right to be the ruler in the first place. What would be your answer when more than 50% residents of Bahrain are Indians/ Sri Lankans/ Philipinos?
 

United4Pak

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Hiring of Pak fighters for Bahrain angers Iran


Read Post 16, you will get your answer
In fact you should have done that before writing this post.

Party policy is based on majority decision, individuals only have opinions and I have my opinion, you don't have to agree with it.

Well, don't you think individuals make the party like we all represent our home, culture, country etc. If I behave badly outside my home then people would blame my family and if I commit crime outside my country then they will blame my nation. No?
 

Star Gazer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Hiring of Pak fighters for Bahrain angers Iran

Bahrain has a Shia majority, then why cant they chose there own leader.

Under Pakistani constitution, majority rules. So what so wrong about this whole issue?
Why are we painting this affair as Pakistani acting as a front line state for Sunni.. when Pakistani President him self a Shia?

The question is that Pakistanis are being employed by the Bahrain government and that is it!
Who rules Bahrain in what manner is not our concern and Iran has no business to tell us where our people should be employed or not!
 

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Hiring of Pak fighters for Bahrain angers Iran

The question is that Pakistanis are being employed by the Bahrain government and that is it!
Who rules Bahrain in what manner is not our concern and Iran has no business to tell us where our people should be employed or not!

It is not our concern who rules Bahrain yet we are wiling to send out mercenary fighters. How exactly is that our business?
You denounce Blackwater for being a mercenary army interfering in another country's affairs but you are okay with 'retired Pakistani army personnel' going to Bahrain to brutalize their population?
 

such bolo

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Hiring of Pak fighters for Bahrain angers Iran

I don't understand. Are you legitimising the actions of minority rulers in Bahrain by allowing more people to be citizens when they don't have the right to be the ruler in the first place. What would be your answer when more than 50% residents of Bahrain are Indians/ Sri Lankans/ Philipinos?

If Shias should be considered as majority in Bahrain then they should be considered amongst MINORITIES in Pakistan...Would you agree????? People should stop saying "SHIA SUNNI BHAI BHAI" "ITTEHAD BAINUL MUSLIMEEN" etc etc.

and if they call themselves muslim and they want to be as equal as other muslims in Pakistan and other parts of the world...then what is the issue in Bahrain???? WHY DID YOU CALL RULERS OF BAHRAIN as "MINORITY RULERS"????
 
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such bolo

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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It is not our concern who rules Bahrain yet we are wiling to send out mercenary fighters. How exactly is that our business?
You denounce Blackwater for being a mercenary army interfering in another country's affairs but you are okay with 'retired Pakistani army personnel' going to Bahrain to brutalize their population?

Mr. Awan...

Blackwater is a mercenary army contracted by USA and not by Pakitan.....mind it

Pakistanis are being embloyed there by Bahraini Government and not by any third contry like USA and there are thousands of pakistani personals who are serving there for years and many of them have already got nationalities..comparing Blackwater with Pakistanis serving as policemen in Bahrain is not fair.
 
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Muslimpower

MPA (400+ posts)
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If Shias shold be considered majority in Bahrain then they should be considered among minorities in Pakistan...Would you agree?????

and if they call themselves muslim and they want to be as equal as other muslims in Pakistan and other parts of the world...then what is the issue in Bahrain???? why rulers of Bahrain should be considered as "MINORITY RULERS"????

A good thinkable question; Muslims or Minority??????????????