Indonesia recalls ambassador from Saudi Barbaria over beheading of 54 year old maid.

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Saudi beheading fuels backlash in Indonesia

By Andrew Higgins,

JAKARTA, Indonesia As leader of Indonesias and the worlds largest Muslim organization, Said Aqil Siraj used to get pelted with angry e-mails and text messages whenever he questioned Saudi Arabias rigid, ultra-puritanical take on Islam.
But the often menacing messages recently stopped cut off by a single stroke from a Saudi executioners sword to the neck of an Indonesian maid in Mecca.
Now I dont get sent anything, Siraj said. He is glad to be out of the firing line, at least for the moment, but is appalled that it took the beheading of a 54-year-old Indonesian grandmother to quiet abuse by supporters of Saudi-style Islam.
The beheading of Ruyati binti Satubi executed in June for the killing of an allegedly abusive Saudi employer stirred such revulsion here that even the most strictly observant Indonesian Muslims now ask how the guardians of Islams most sacred sites can be so heedless of their faiths call for compassion.
At least 20 Indonesians, nearly all women, are on death row in the Persian Gulf kingdom.
While few doubt that Satubi stabbed her boss, the mother of three is widely viewed as a martyr the victim of a harsh and often xenophobic justice and social system rooted in Saudi Arabias Wahhabi creed, a highly dogmatic and intolerant strand of Islam that, in its most extreme forms, helped provide the theological underpinnings for jihadi militants.
Some Indonesians began to think that Wahhabism is the true teaching of Islam, but thanks to God, there has been a change of thinking, said Siraj, who heads Nahdlatul Ulama, an organization with about 50 million members and 28,000 Islamic boarding schools.
The beheading, which triggered protests outside the Saudi Embassy and elsewhere, has had a good influence by accelerating a backlash against harsh imported strains of Islam, Siraj said.
Mecca is a holy place, but the people who live there are very uncivilized, said the executed maids daughter, Een Nuraeni, who prays regularly and wears a veil pulled tightly over her hair. There is nothing in Islamic law that says you can torture or rape your housemaid.
Her mother, desperate for money, had worked for three families in Saudi Arabia since taking her first job there in 1998. On trips home, Nuraeni said, she complained of being spat at in the face, beaten, deprived of food and other mistreatment, but kept going back for the sake of her children.
Migrant Care, an Indonesian group that lobbies on behalf of workers abroad, said it has this year already received 6,500 reports of violence, sexual harassment, rape and other abuses against Indonesians in Saudi Arabia. Eighty percent of the more than 1.2 million Indonesians working there are women, mostly maids.
Indonesias government, complaining that it received no advance notice of Satubis execution, recalled its ambassador from Riyadh and announced a moratorium from Aug. 1 on labor exports to the Gulf kingdom. Police set up a special unit at Jakartas main airport to enforce the order.
The acrimonious rift between the birthplace of the prophet Muhammad and Indonesia, home to the largest community of his followers, even led to calls for a boycott of Mecca by hajj pilgrims.
The mood became so testy that when Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa announced that he had received an apology over the beheading from the Saudi ambassador in Jakarta, the kingdoms usually mute embassy promptly issued a statement that accused the minister of lying.
Indonesia has traditionally embraced mostly relaxed forms of Islam. But starting in the 1970s under then-dictator Suharto, a flood of money from Saudi Arabia to fund mosques and other ventures helped boost a Wahhabi-tinged form of Islam known as Salafism, which sometimes veered into violent extremism.
The Bali bombings in 2002 and subsequent attacks in Jakarta were carried out by militants inspired by Salafi extremists such as Osama bin Laden. Nonviolent Salafis, meanwhile, emerged as a political force, helping to found the Islamist Justice and Prosperity Party, or PKS, which won nearly 8 percent of the vote in 2009 .
Both strands are now in trouble. A wave of arrests and killings by security forces has largely uprooted the organizational foundations of Salafi jihad ideology, although it lives on thanks to the Internet. Abubakar Baasyir, the spiritual leader of Jemaah Islamiah, was sentenced in June to five years in prison for terrorism.
Meanwhile, the PKS, part of the governing coalition, has been tainted by allegations of corruption and has been torn by internal strife between purists and moderates. Some of its more hard-line members have been purged. We threw them out because they always wanted 100 percent pure values of Islam and couldnt compromise, said Fahri Hamzah, a PKS member of parliament.
Siraj, the leader of the Nahdlatul Ulama organization, studied in Saudi Arabia for 13 years and came to despise the kingdoms religious and political order, which he describes as jahiliyyah the period of ignorance and hypocrisy that, according to the Koran, prevailed there before the arrival of the prophet Muhammad.
Salafis, he said, are by no means all violent and many eschew politics, but they are very hard in the way they think. He recently wrote the foreword to a new book, The Bloody History of the Salafi-Wahhabi Sect.
Hizb ut-Tahir, a nonviolent organization that wants an Islamic state or caliphate, defended the beheading as legal under Islamic law but called for an investigation into whether Satubi committed murder in self-defense. Ismail Yusanto, the groups spokesman, said the problem is not strict Islamic justice but the poverty that drives women to work abroad when their main place is the home.
Saudi Arabia, worried by the spread of extremist thinking at home and damage to its reputation abroad since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, has tried in recent years to check the export of militant Salafi ideas.
But what the Saudi government now condemns as mutant strains have nonetheless put down thin but tenacious roots on the margins in Indonesia, shielded in the past by a reluctance by many to criticize views supposedly rooted in the land of Muhammads birth.
Saudi Arabia is the holy land, so people always used to make excuses for it, said Wahyu Susilo, a policy analyst for Migrant Care. They now realize that Saudi Islam is not the right image of Islam. To protest the June beheading, his group printed thousands of posters saying: Saudi Arabia the killing fields for Indonesian women migrant workers.
The Indonesian government, under fire for not doing enough to protect its citizens, last month secured the release of an Indonesian maid on death row in Saudi Arabia. It did this by paying compensation of $538,000 to the family of her employer, whom she killed after he allegedly tried to rape her.
Arab News, a newspaper based in Jiddah, Saudi Arabia, reported last week that Saudi authorities have agreed to spare two more Indonesian maids from beheading, including one convicted of using black magic to hurt her employer.
At her familys village near Bekasi, east of Jakarta, Nuraeni, the daughter of the beheaded maid, has received a procession of visitors offering condolences and angry views on Saudi Arabia. Scores of women in the village have spent time working in the kingdom and shared stories of their travails there.
Even Nuraenis elderly grandfather, a sternly devout Muslim who has memorized the Koran and made a hajj trip to Mecca, wants nothing to do with the kingdom. He now hates Saudi Arabia, Nuraeni said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...in-indonesia/2011/07/17/gIQAc7OU3I_print.html
 

moazzamniaz

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
People who practice Talbani and Alqaedi religion are unfit in every society. They have a problem with everyone, everything and everywhere. Even if u dump one in a jungle, some how he will single handedly raise mayhem, anarchy and chaos there. They are tarnishing the image of Islam and muslims all over the world by proclaiming themselves torchbearers of true islam. Bunch of medieval, pre-Islamic, 6th century beasts. Saudi funding of extremism must be quelled at all costs otherwise soon every muslim country will be like Afghanistan, Pakistan and Somalia.
 
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Mysticreed

Banned
Indonesia has become the leader of the Islamic world after this brave move. This is an indirect challenge to Pakistan's former undisputed leading position which stands second behind Indonesia today. The best way to regain some respect amongst the Muslim world and to regain the top position is by attacking Najd as this is the only face saving move left for Pakistan !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Bombaybuz

Minister (2k+ posts)
Eye for an eye and hand for an hand ... This ia almighty's Rule you call it barbaric, talibanic or Alqaidic ... can anyone deny that he stabbed her master, if she was tortured and raped why she didn't took the course of the law of the land, even if she wouldn't have got justice, she is not allowed to kill anybody ... you may say all the laws for the rich and i'll say just here on this land which is not the place of result but test... being khademan rehman shareefain is somthing else but this is Allah's rule.... Im totally against this Arab imperialism in suadia arabia as islam has no place for monarchy and these Aaal a Suad are not any royal family or blood line ... and all the modrate and cool hap n happening muslims on this forum god forbid i want to see their reaction if they lose some love one of their own like this then what punishment they will ask for the murderer.
 

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Eye for an eye and hand for an hand ... This ia almighty's Rule you call it barbaric, talibanic or Alqaidic ... can anyone deny that he stabbed her master, if she was tortured and raped why she didn't took the course of the law of the land, even if she wouldn't have got justice, she is not allowed to kill anybody ... you may say all the laws for the rich and i'll say just here on this land which is not the place of result but test... being khademan rehman shareefain is somthing else but this is Allah's rule.... Im totally against this Arab imperialism in suadia arabia as islam has no place for monarchy and these Aaal a Suad are not any royal family or blood line ... and all the modrate and cool hap n happening muslims on this forum god forbid i want to see their reaction if they lose some love one of their own like this then what punishment they will ask for the murderer.

She claimed she was acting in self defense. The court decided in favor of the Saudi instead of a 54 year old frail woman who was living a slaves life away from home.
The court didnt consider for one moment that what motive could an old 54 year old woman have to kill her employer even when she knew the tough laws in Saudi Arabia.
The Saudi courts are kangaroo courts which seldom rule in favor of foreigners.
Indonesian are also Muslims and if their embassy has recalled its ambassador it means they also see that the case was lopsided and the courts did not do justice to an old woman.

Migrant Care, an Indonesian group that lobbies on behalf of workers abroad, said it has this year already received 6,500 reports of violence, sexual harassment, rape and other abuses against Indonesians in Saudi Arabia

This shows the extent of the problem. No Saudi has been convicted yet for any of these crimes.


Indonesia’s government, complaining that it received no advance notice of Satubi’s execution, recalled its ambassador from Riyadh and announced a moratorium from Aug. 1 on labor exports to the Gulf kingdom

There was no warning sent to the embassy who could have helped her by paying compensation like they did before for another case.
Nobody is saying anything against the laws of Quran. It is the biased court system of Saudi Barbaria that is under question but people like you come out to defend it just because we regard it as a Holy Land.
 

biofilm

MPA (400+ posts)
Even if she had gone to authorities, she had to prove abuse and things become very nasty when you have to prove rape, because if she can not prove with 4 male eye witnesses she will be charge with adultery instead. Glimps of Hoodud ordinance must come into minds... I hope no relative of bombaybuz have to go through that. Ameen
She claimed she was acting in self defense. The court decided in favor of the Saudi instead of a 54 year old frail woman who was living a slaves life away from home.
The court didnt consider for one moment that what motive could an old 54 year old woman have to kill her employer even when she knew the tough laws in Saudi Arabia.
The Saudi courts are kangaroo courts which seldom rule in favor of foreigners.
Indonesian are also Muslims and if their embassy has recalled its ambassador it means they also see that the case was lopsided and the courts did not do justice to an old woman.



This shows the extent of the problem. No Saudi has been convicted yet for any of these crimes.




There was no warning sent to the embassy who could have helped her by paying compensation like they did before for another case.
Nobody is saying anything against the laws of Quran. It is the biased court system of Saudi Barbaria that is under question but people like you come out to defend it just because we regard it as a Holy Land.
 

hans

Banned
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Before the violence: Saud Abdulaziz bin Nasser al Saud, left, with his servant Bandar Abdulaziz share a cocktail during their fateful stay in London
Saud denied killing Mr Abdulaziz until two weeks before his trial started when he changed his account, admitting he had caused the fatal injuries

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Prince Abdulazaz father of Saud Abdulaziz Bin Nasir Al Saud. He collapsed in court

 

drkjke

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Eye for an eye and hand for an hand ... This ia almighty's Rule you call it barbaric, talibanic or Alqaidic ... can anyone deny that he stabbed her master, if she was tortured and raped why she didn't took the course of the law of the land, even if she wouldn't have got justice, she is not allowed to kill anybody ... you may say all the laws for the rich and i'll say just here on this land which is not the place of result but test... being khademan rehman shareefain is somthing else but this is Allah's rule.... Im totally against this Arab imperialism in suadia arabia as islam has no place for monarchy and these Aaal a Suad are not any royal family or blood line ... and all the modrate and cool hap n happening muslims on this forum god forbid i want to see their reaction if they lose some love one of their own like this then what punishment they will ask for the murderer.

you know qadianis and their lovers have an issue with islam,so ignore them...they have done great blasphemy against islam here by calling these muslims "6th century beasts in above post...we know in 6th century was when our prophet and than sahaba established islamic rule over the world.which included beheading as punishment of killing someone.
moderators of this forum are quick to delete any post praising mujahideen but i guess they wont erase this post which calls islamic laws aso works of 6th century beasts!
astaghfirulah!they think its barbarian that this maid was given punishment according to law of quran but they dont think its wrong that maid killed a human too and deserved this
 
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drkjke

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
People who practice Talbani and Alqaedi religion are unfit in every society. They have a problem with everyone, everything and everywhere. Even if u put one in a jungle, some how he will single handedly raise mayhem, anarchy and chaos there. They are tarnishing the image of Islam and muslims all over the world by proclaiming themselves torchbearers of true islam. Bunch of 6th century beasts. Saudi funding of extremism must be quelled at all costs otherwise soon every muslim country will be like Afghanistan, Pakistan and Somalia.


you seculars have done great blasphemy against islam here by calling these muslims "6th century beasts" in above post...we know in 6th century was when our prophet and than sahaba established islamic rule over the world.which included beheading as punishment of killing someone unjustly.
.moderators of this forum are quick to delete any post praising mujahideen but i guess they wont erase this post which calls islamic laws also works of 6th century beasts!
astaghfirulah!they think its barbarian that this maid was given punishment according to law of quran but they dont think its wrong that maid killed a human too and deserved this
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allahumma faqutiaa daabirul qaumillazina zalamu ,wlahmaduliliah e rabbilalamin
 
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drkjke

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
lets see how the wahabies on this forum defend this act..........
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my friend who is expert in worlds religions told after his search that "two types of groups hate wahabis or salfis very much...one is followers of mirza ghulam ahmed and second is a group who practice temporary marriage(mutaa) and also openly abuses sahaba who are buried along side holy prophet sallalahu alihe wasallum.
which group you people belong to?may i ask?

because iran also practices beheading and hand cutting punishment.atleast in theory even if to deceive world.no one criticises iran here though?which logically means that you people are not against the practice of beheading but are against saudi peoples religious fiqah and school of thought...i know my this post will be deleted but whoever will be deleting this please think that whatever i am saying ,is it not full truth.
 
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drkjke

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
allah says in quran

bismillah
And We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation. And whosoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are the Zalimun (polytheists etc). sura almaeda ayat number 45


so those people criticising an islamic punishment for an eye for an eye,they are zalimun and allah labelled them so.i pity such people who will soon face the hammer inshalah
 

moazzamniaz

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
you seculars have done great blasphemy against islam here by calling these muslims "6th century beasts" in above post...we know in 6th century was when our prophet and than sahaba established islamic rule over the world.which included beheading as punishment of killing someone unjustly.
.moderators of this forum are quick to delete any post praising mujahideen but i guess they wont erase this post which calls islamic laws also works of 6th century beasts!
astaghfirulah!they think its barbarian that this maid was given punishment according to law of quran but they dont think its wrong that maid killed a human too and deserved this
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allahumma faqutiaa daabirul qaumillazina zalamu ,wlahmaduliliah e rabbilalamin

Well i m not here to teach u about "How to count centuries"?. However, a brief note should suffice:

Our Holy Prophet(PBUH) (ca. 26 April 570 – 8 June 632) announced his prophet-hood in 610 AD at the age of 40 years. Now that is in 7th century. Islam was introduced in 7th century AD. 6th century starts from 501 AD To 599 AD. That makes all the followers of Alqaedi and Talbani religion pre-Islamic beasts of worst kind. Their hate, barbarism, violence, stupidity, mental slavery is no different than the pre-islamic idol-worshipers of 6th century. Hope u will learn to recognize centuries from now on before spreading lies and going high on ur kufar-fatwa spree next time. And i have also added word "pre-islamic" in my previous post for the cave-dwellers like you who start their fatwa-machines at the first sight of any discord.
 
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molson4u

Senator (1k+ posts)
Dear drkjke, temporary marriage law is passed in Saudi Arabia, yes people are talking about that sick nation of Al Saud and their fitna faith.
 

biofilm

MPA (400+ posts)
I was about to correct Dr.dkj or whatever but yes Islam can in the 7th century. These are kinds of people who create rift among people by misinterpreting things wrongly. Having a different opinion is different than have a lesser knowledge and calling yourself Dr.or whatever and spreading wrong information.
Well i m not here to teach u about "How to count centuries"?. However, a brief note should suffice:

Our Holy Prophet(PBUH) (ca. 26 April 570 – 8 June 632) announced his prophet-hood in 610 AD at the age of 40 years. Now that is in 7th century. Islam was introduced in 7th century AD. 6th century starts from 501 AD To 599 AD. That makes all the followers of Alqaedi and Talbani religion pre-Islamic beasts of worst kind. Their hate, barbarism, violence, stupidity, mental slavery is no different than the pre-islamic idol-worshipers of 6th century. Hope u will learn to recognize centuries from now on before spreading lies and going high on ur kufar-fatwa spree next time. And i have also added word "pre-islamic" in my previous post for the cave-dwellers like you who start their fatwa-machines at the first sight of any discord.
 

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
[MENTION=9623]moazzamniaz[/MENTION]

Thank you my friend. I was about to correct [MENTION=7111]drkjke[/MENTION] and teach him to count myself since he is thick skulled a$$wipe who probably doesnt know how to count beyond 9.

Since he is thick skulled and on top of that true arab blooded warrior living with mujahidden birathers in the caves of Waziristan fighting the great cause of liberty for Ummah he wouldnt know **** about how the law works.

There was no appeal process or the chance given to the lady for seeking redemption through paying diyat. The indonesian government had already done that in a previous case but this time they were not even informed and the lady was sent to the chopping block.

Also these critical jerkoffs like drkjke think too highly of themselves as some great mujtahideen or something. Indonesia is the largest Muslim country and if they have called back their ambassador they didnt do it to insult Islam you f###king nincompoops.
They did it to protest the judicial process of Saudia. Theres a difference but this thick skulled ***&ole cant see two feet beyond his limited vision and all he can do is all us qadiyanis and shias and what not.
 

GeoG

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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Before the violence: Saud Abdulaziz bin Nasser al Saud, left, with his servant Bandar Abdulaziz share a cocktail during their fateful stay in London
Saud denied killing Mr Abdulaziz until two weeks before his trial started when he changed his account, admitting he had caused the fatal injuries






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Prince Abdulazaz father of Saud Abdulaziz Bin Nasir Al Saud. He collapsed in court


Good to see that this Mole b... Hans has finally managed to get into your ranks, in fact shoulder to shoulder now
Well done and get your.. f... fact right- there is no timed marriage in KSA, honor remains in Iran

Read mole's post and see the pictures
can you say that the person drinking and one in the pictures in the elevator is the same
who knows what happened between them !!!

but this mole will bend backward to prove that Muslims and in particular Saudis and Pakistanis are always wrong....
 
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SalmanKhanN

MPA (400+ posts)
Your use of filthy language shows how much hatred u have for people..first of all..Indonesia migth be the largest muslim country..but that dosent mean..it follows Quran and Sunnah..numbers dont matter..indonesia should pull out there ambasssador and also indonesia should stop sending there maids to Saudi..everyone will be happy..If u dont like the law of a country..or u think its not just..plz dont go there..no one is forcing indonesians to go there and face this unjust system according to most of u here..Saudi seems so unjust to you..what about Musharraf when he sold 714 people to US for torture..or when someone is being killed on the streets of pakistan..and the whole sialkot is watching..when our FC personale kill a grade 10 kid in the middle of karachi..when a women is forced to roam around naked..
are u implying that pakistan is wahabii..or taliban or al qaeda..no they are not..all these things happened in punjab and karachi..where there is least amount of presence of Taliban Alqaeda and Wahabis..Was the Qadari guy who shot down Salman Taseer Wahabii???..noo he was a sufi bralevi..who are completely oppossite from Al Qaeda of Wahabi..and Mind ur language for future..otherwise no one will ever talk to a low level thug like you..you are criticizing saudi and there law..and are saying they are not representatives of muslims..then ARE you are representative of a muslim..with ur pathetic filthy language..with ur narrow mindedness and hatred towards a group..how come are u a representative of islam..how much knowledge u have of islam..if u have knowledge of islam..then plz come forward..we all need knowledgable muslims like you..who are representative of true islam..if u are not knowledgeable enough..then plz tell us of the country or a nations..who is..or a leader...we are all looking for a islamic leader..with ur limited knowledge of the case of this women..u started bashing a whole Law..a whole process..and called it barbaric..how much knowledge do ou have of the case itself..how much knowledge u have of islam..we are bloody no one to talk about islam..because we dont know anything..the best thing to do is..learn and come forward with islam and be an example..with ur filthy language..and hatred..i personally would never want to listen to a muslim like u..
@moazzamniaz

Thank you my friend. I was about to correct @drkjke and teach him to count myself since he is thick skulled a$$wipe who probably doesnt know how to count beyond 9.

Since he is thick skulled and on top of that true arab blooded warrior living with mujahidden birathers in the caves of Waziristan fighting the great cause of liberty for Ummah he wouldnt know **** about how the law works.

There was no appeal process or the chance given to the lady for seeking redemption through paying diyat. The indonesian government had already done that in a previous case but this time they were not even informed and the lady was sent to the chopping block.

Also these critical jerkoffs like drkjke think too highly of themselves as some great mujtahideen or something. Indonesia is the largest Muslim country and if they have called back their ambassador they didnt do it to insult Islam you f###king nincompoops.
They did it to protest the judicial process of Saudia. Theres a difference but this thick skulled ***&ole cant see two feet beyond his limited vision and all he can do is all us qadiyanis and shias and what not.
 

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Your use of filthy language shows how much hatred u have for people

Baat puri kia kero. My foul language is directed to those who call me Qadiani/shia/kaffir etc. You judge me on my foul language yet you havent called out those who are labeling me as a kaffir based on what? My difference of views on certain things which can tell you nothing about how I lead my personal life? Are you sure I am a qadiani/kaffir?

Indonesia migth be the largest muslim country..but that dosent mean..it follows Quran and Sunnah..numbers dont matter

It also doesnt mean that a country of millions of Muslims would call back its ambassador on a whim. Also lots of people dont agree with how KSA follows Islam. So it doesnt matter what you think of Indonesia. They think the same of KSA.

indonesia should stop sending there maids to Saudi

They have. Read the article with open eyes.

If u dont like the law of a country..or u think its not just..plz dont go there..no one is forcing indonesians to go there and face this unjust system according to most of u here

Wow. I wonder what you would call a western gora who would say the same thing to you when you site his ban of wearing purdah in public and not allowing minarets in their country?? Thats right. RACIST. INTOLERANT. BIGOTS.
Why the double standard? Will you call Saudis racist, intolerant bigots?

Saudi seems so unjust to you..what about Musharraf when he sold 714 people to US for torture..or when someone is being killed on the streets of pakistan..and the whole sialkot is watching..when our FC personale kill a grade 10 kid in the middle of karachi..when a women is forced to roam around naked..

Musharraf is an ***&ole. Paksitani law is sh*t. Pakistani judicial system is sh*t.
There I said it. Now you go ahead and say the same for KSA.

are u implying that pakistan is wahabii..or taliban or al qaeda..no they are not..all these things happened in punjab and karachi..where there is least amount of presence of Taliban Alqaeda and Wahabis..Was the Qadari guy who shot down Salman Taseer Wahabii???..noo he was a sufi bralevi..who are completely oppossite from Al Qaeda of Wahabi

I thought this article was about Indonesia. But incase you forgot, the TTP who have shot, hacked, butchered hundreds of Pakistanis, what sect are they from?

and Mind ur language for future..otherwise no one will ever talk to a low level thug like you

Dont tell me how to use my language. If you dont like it dont read it Mr. high level intellectual sahib.

you are criticizing saudi and there law..and are saying they are not representatives of muslims..then ARE you are representative of a muslim..with ur pathetic filthy language

On the contrary, read my signature to see what I claim to be. Go ahead and join the a$$wipe brigade of drkjke who doesnt know how to count, and start calling me names if that makes you feel better. See if it stops me from voicing my opinions. Or would you rather have me beheaded?

with ur narrow mindedness and hatred towards a group..how come are u a representative of islam..how much knowledge u have of islam..if u have knowledge of islam..then plz come forward..we all need knowledgable muslims like you..who are representative of true islam

My hatred is towards a group which spreads hatred. You are the narrow minded one who cannot tolerate, who thinks only one group is the true representative of Islam and only one country is the torch bearer of the Ummah.
I have never made any claims. But yes I do call out people who judge and label others and who think criticizing their beliefs gives them the right to call me a kaffir.

with ur limited knowledge of the case of this women..u started bashing a whole Law..a whole process..and called it barbaric..how much knowledge do ou have of the case itself..how much knowledge u have of islam..we are bloody no one to talk about islam..because we dont know anything..the best thing to do is..learn and come forward with islam and be an example..with ur filthy language..and hatred..i personally would never want to listen to a muslim like u..

Oh please stop the sermon. You sound like a fat old molvi sitting on his behind blowing hot air.

Why are YOU defending a whole system? Have YOU read the whole case? Are YOU the killed guys attorney?
I am basing my arguments on the actions of a whole nation i.e. Indonesia who have criticized the KSA judicial system and recalled their ambassador. That is a very big step for a government to take. What are YOU basing your support for KSA on especially in this case?