Indonesia recalls ambassador from Saudi Barbaria over beheading of 54 year old maid.

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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because iran also practices beheading and hand cutting punishment.atleast in theory even if to de1۔ ceive world.no one criticises iran here though?which logically means that you people are not against the practice of beheading but are against saudi peoples religious fiqah and school of thought...i know my this post will be deleted but whoever will be deleting this please think that whatever i am saying ,is it not full truth.

ایران میں موجودہ سزاوؤں کو جوں کا توں جاری کرنے پر میں اختلاف رکھتی ہوں۔ آج اکیسویں صدی ہے اور ریاست کے قوانین وقت اور زمانے کے حساب سے اپ ٹو ڈیٹ ہونے چاہیے ہیں۔

اسلام معاملات کے حوالے سے دو چیزوں کا مجموعہ ہے۔

۔1۔ اللہ کے ساتھ بندے کے معاملات (جنہیں عبادات کہا جاتا ہے)۔

۔2۔ بندوں کے بندوں سے معاملات جنہیں ریاستی قوانین کہا جاتا ہے۔

پہلی قسم کے احکام مین کوئی تبدیلی نہیں ہے اور عبادات جو کہ اللہ اور بندوں کا معاملہ ہے، وہ قیامت تک ایسی ہی رہنی والی ہیں۔

مگر جہاں تک ریاست کا معاملہ ہے، تو ریاست کو قوانین وقت اور ضرورت کے مطابق اپڈیٹ کرنے کی پوری سہولت حاصل ہے اور ان قوانین میں جمود نہیں۔

مثلا غلامی اور کنیز عورتوں کا معاملہ بیسویں صدی تک چلتا رہا۔ مگر شریعت کے اس فیصلے کو حالات کے مطابق بیسویں صدی میں تبدیل کیا گیا اور عالمی سطح پر غلامی پر پابندی کو قبول کیا گیا۔

مسئلے یہ ہے کہ ہمارے علماء نے ان ریاستی قوانین کو بھی چودہ سو سال پہلے کی طرح جمود کا شکار کر دیا ہے اور یہ آج کے حالات کے مطابق کچھ دیکھنے کے قابل نہیں رہے ہیں۔

آج خواتین کے معاملات میں پھر چار عینی گواہوں کو ڈھونڈنے کی باتیں ملا حضرات کرتے ہیں، حالانکہ میڈیکل رپورٹ کو بطور کافی ثبوت مان لینا چاہیے۔ اسی طرح اور بہت سے معاملات ہیں جہاں میڈیکل ٹیکنالوجی کو بطور ثبوت ماننا چاہیے بجائے چودہ سو سالہ پہلے کے قوانین سے چمٹے رہنے کے۔


 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
fact right- there is no timed marriage in KSA, honor remains in Iran

آپ سے درخواست ہے کہ آپ مسلکی بحوث میں کم از نہ پڑیں، اور یہ کام سپاہ صحابہ کے تکفیریوں کے پاس ہی رہنے دیں۔

چند بنیادی باتیں کو بہرحال اس مسئلے میں تصحیح فرما لیں:۔

۔1۔ سعودی عرب میں نکاح المتعہ تو کیا جاری ہوتا، مجبور ہو کر مفتی حضرات نے مسیار شادی کا اجراء کیا ہے۔ مسیار شادی کا مطلب ہے "دھوکے کی شادی"، جس میں لڑکی کو دھوکا دیا جاتا ہے کہ "عقد دائمی" کیا جا رہا ہے، مگر لڑکے کی نیت کام نکل جانے کے بعد طلاق دینے کی ہوتی ہے۔

۔2۔ اس مسیار شادی کی لعنت کی وجہ سے سعودی امراء نے ہزاروں لاکھوں معصوم لڑکیوں کی زندگیاں برباد کر دی ہیں۔

اہم لنک: انڈونیشیا میں سعودی مردوں کا مسیار شادی کے رواج میں اضافہ اور سعودی مردوں کی مسیار دھوکہ دہی کی وجہ سے پریشانیاں



سعودی شیخ ابن باز عقد مسیار کے متعلق لکھتے ہیں [فتوی کا لنک]:
[شیخ ابن باز صاحب سے سوال]: آپ نے ایک فتوی جاری کیا ہے کہ اس بات کی اجازت ہے کہ ویسٹرن [مغربی] ممالک میں اس نیت سے شادی کر لی جائے کہ کچھ عرصے کے بعد عورت کو طلاق دے دی جائے۔۔۔۔۔ تو پھر آپکے اس فتوے اور عقد متعہ میں کیا فرق ہوا؟
[شیخ ابن باز کا جواب]:
جی ہاں، یہ فتوی سعودیہ کی مفتی حضرات کی مستقل کونسل کی جانب سے جاری ہوا ہے اور میں اس کونسل کا سربراہ ہوں اور یہ ہمارا مشترکہ فتوی ہے کہ اس بات کی اجازت ہے کہ شادی کی جائے اور دل میں نیت ہو کہ کچھ عرصے کے بعد طلاق دینی ہے [ یعنی لڑکی کو دھوکے میں رکھنا جائز ہے اور اسے بتانے کی ضرورت نہیں کہ دل میں نیت تو کچھ عرصے بعد طلاق کی کر رکھی ہے]۔ اور یہ (طلاق کی نیت) معاملہ ہے اللہ اور اسکے بندے کے درمیان۔
اگر کوئی شخص (سٹوڈنٹ) مغربی ملک میں اس نیت سے شادی کرتا ہے کہ اپنی تعلیم مکمل ہونے کے بعد یا نوکری ملنے کے بعد لڑکی کو طلاق دے دے گا تو اس میں تمام علماء کے رائے کے مطابق ہرگز کوئی حرج نہیں ہے۔ نیت کا یہ معاملہ اللہ اور اسکے بندے کے درمیان ہے اور یہ نیت نکاح کی شرائط میں سے نہیں ہے۔
عقد متعہ اور مسیار میں فرق یہ ہے کہ عقد متعہ میں باقاعدہ ایک مقررہ وقت کے بعد طلاق کی شرط موجود ہے جیسے مہینے ، دو مہینے یا سال یا دو سال وغیرہ۔ عقد متعہ میں جب یہ مدت ختم ہو جاتی ہے تو خود بخود طلاق ہو جاتی ہے اور نکاح منسوخ ہو جاتا ہے، چنانچہ یہ شرط عقد متعہ کو حرام بناتی ہے۔ مگر اگر کوئی شخص اللہ اور اسکے رسول ص کی سنت کے مطابق نکاح کرتا ہے، چاہے وہ دل میں طلاق کی نیت ہی کیوں نہ رکھتا ہو کہ جب وہ مغربی ملک کو تعلیم کے بعد چھوڑے گا تو لڑکی کو طلاق دے دے گا، تو اس چیز میں کوئی مضائقہ نہیں، اور یہ ایک طریقہ ہے جس سے انسان اپنے آپ کو برائیوں سے محفوظ رکھ سکتا ہے اور زناکاری سے بچ سکتا ہے، اور یہ اہل علم کی رائے ہے۔
 

biofilm

MPA (400+ posts)
Calm down my friend Salman Khan!! I am impressed by your reply and emotion you showed. this is appreciative. However, there are few points to be made. First, i would suggest keep things separate which have a different context. Here we are talking about a maid being beheaded in RSA. There is no doubt what she did is regretable but the record and laws of saudi arabia are not in line with our contemprary moral thinking. The human right espceially women rights situation i am afraid is not so good, its just the news rarely come out as saudis make it a matter of honor. When it comes to saudis and foriegners, saudis rarely get punished even if they have commited crime. In that particular case a maid above 50, killed a man who she worked for. Well no one kills without a reason. She told that she has been abused and she killed on one of the occasion. proving rape or sexual assault is very difficult and complainant(women) can be punished for adultry if not proven. The indonesian govt. accused that they were not informed about the beheading and court trial was not fair. Suppose what the woman did was wrong but what saudi govt. did was also not right and two wrong dont make one right. As a govt. they should have shown more responsibililty as their actions are reflected on whole nation. Now you dont have be a judge here but decision made in haste always bring bad reputation. whether its musharaf or Qadri. Now, we can not compare spontanous act from different times in Pakistan with laws that can not keep up with contemprary thinking. The guy used highly provocative language and i can not side with that but the intention is right. Drkjke i dont know if he is a doctor but he does not seem to have right degree. i mean he should start post.doc instead to mingling in small talks like these. they dont suit his high caliber.
Your use of filthy language shows how much hatred u have for people..first of all..Indonesia migth be the largest muslim country..but that dosent mean..it follows Quran and Sunnah..numbers dont matter..indonesia should pull out there ambasssador and also indonesia should stop sending there maids to Saudi..everyone will be happy..If u dont like the law of a country..or u think its not just..plz dont go there..no one is forcing indonesians to go there and face this unjust system according to most of u here..Saudi seems so unjust to you..what about Musharraf when he sold 714 people to US for torture..or when someone is being killed on the streets of pakistan..and the whole sialkot is watching..when our FC personale kill a grade 10 kid in the middle of karachi..when a women is forced to roam around naked..
are u implying that pakistan is wahabii..or taliban or al qaeda..no they are not..all these things happened in punjab and karachi..where there is least amount of presence of Taliban Alqaeda and Wahabis..Was the Qadari guy who shot down Salman Taseer Wahabii???..noo he was a sufi bralevi..who are completely oppossite from Al Qaeda of Wahabi..and Mind ur language for future..otherwise no one will ever talk to a low level thug like you..you are criticizing saudi and there law..and are saying they are not representatives of muslims..then ARE you are representative of a muslim..with ur pathetic filthy language..with ur narrow mindedness and hatred towards a group..how come are u a representative of islam..how much knowledge u have of islam..if u have knowledge of islam..then plz come forward..we all need knowledgable muslims like you..who are representative of true islam..if u are not knowledgeable enough..then plz tell us of the country or a nations..who is..or a leader...we are all looking for a islamic leader..with ur limited knowledge of the case of this women..u started bashing a whole Law..a whole process..and called it barbaric..how much knowledge do ou have of the case itself..how much knowledge u have of islam..we are bloody no one to talk about islam..because we dont know anything..the best thing to do is..learn and come forward with islam and be an example..with ur filthy language..and hatred..i personally would never want to listen to a muslim like u..
 

Bombaybuz

Minister (2k+ posts)
There was no warning sent to the embassy who could have helped her by paying compensation like they did before for another case.
Nobody is saying anything against the laws of Quran. It is the biased court system of Saudi Barbaria that is under question but people like you come out to defend it just because we regard it as a Holy Land.[/QUOTE]

You didn't read my reply then, when i said court may not be biased, when i said qassas was not an option, and when did i said that just cause of holy lands all the human rights violence is acceptable, you try to gather support for her by saying poor slave like woman of 54 years old and on the other side that poor helpless 54 years old woman managed to kill a man in her self defence, All im saying is when you killed somebody then you will get beheaded... show me one decision of any court where both the parties are agreed that all was nice and fine and justice has been done.
 

FlyHigh

Senator (1k+ posts)
Misyar Marriage — a Marvel or Misery?
Somayya Jabarti, Arab News
JEDDAH, 5 June 2005 — To some, it’s an unthinkable act; for others, it’s better than loneliness, but in what is otherwise a conservative culture, misyar marriage goes against the grain.
Misyar marriage is a legal alternative marital arrangement more Saudi men and women are using to offset prohibitive marriage costs and the stigma unmarried women face.
In a misyar marriage the woman waives some of the rights she would enjoy in a normal marriage. Most misyar brides don’t change their residences but pursue marriage on a visitation basis. Some marriage officials say seven of 10 marriage contracts they conduct are misyar, and in some cases are asked to recommend prospective misyar partners.
Most of the women opting for misyar either are divorced, widowed or beyond the customary marriage age. The majority of men who take part in such marital arrangements are already married.
“All the misyar marriage contracts I conduct are between men and women remarrying,” said Abu Fawaz, who’s been a marriage official for four years. “For a misyar marriage all you need is witnesses, her dowry and the acceptance of both parties. Usually the woman either has her own place or lives with her family. Most of the time the woman’s family knows while the man’s family is in the dark about it, be it his first wife or any other family members.”
Arab News surveyed 30 Saudi men and women aged 20-40 regarding misyar marriage. Over 60 percent of the men surveyed would consider misyar marriage for themselves with the majority of the respondents in their 20s. Those who would not consider it for themselves would not allow it for kin, be it sisters, brothers, sons or daughters. However, among the men who would consider it themselves, only two would find such a marriage acceptable for a female relative.
“If I allowed myself to marry another man’s sister or daughter ‘misyarically’ then it would only be fair to accept the same for my own female kin,” said Mohammad H. “It’s a double standard for men to accept it for themselves and other men but not the females. After all, if we all took up the same policy then who would we marry — each other?”
The reasons men gave for favoring misyar most often related to cost, with some asking “why not?” “I get to maintain all my rights, but I don’t have to take care of her financially and don’t even have to provide a house for her,” said 25-year-old Rayan Abdullah, an unmarried medical student at the city university. “It’s a great solution — isn’t it? It costs less than having a girlfriend — doesn’t it?” Or is it a male convenience in a male-dominated culture?
“What are the things most of us married men complain about?” asked Ghazi Ahmad, a 38-year-old husband and father of three children. “Don’t all of us constantly complain about the financial burdens, the lack of personal freedom — the routine patterns? Then this is the best marriage ever as far as I’m concerned. Married but not married — perfect.”
The opinions of women respondents about misyar marriage were a sharp contrast to the males’. More than 86 percent of the women 20-40 would not even consider such a marriage for themselves. Only four women — all in the over-40 category — would consider such marriages for themselves or relatives.
Most of the women respondents called it “legal prostitution” or objected to the lack of women’s rights in misyar marriages.
“I’m set in my ways,” said a 42-year-old bank manager who chose to call herself Muna Saad. “I live with my mother and couldn’t tolerate the idea of leaving her to live alone, and I’m comfortable financially. At the same time, I’d love to get married,” Muna said. “I also think it would be amusing for the roles to be reversed and sort of ‘own’ the man for a change and having him owe me rather than the other way around.”
Despite optimistic expectations, such marriages are not always blissful. Former and current misyar spouses said it can become a nightmare if pregnancy results from the union or if there are already children from former marriages. With most misyar marriages rooted in secrecy, the husband is only a ghostly figure occasionally seen. Once a child is conceived, the luxury of secrecy disappears.
“My second misyar marriage was doing fine despite my hawk of a first wife,” said Abu Abdul Rahman. “But that was only until my second wife got pregnant, and then the real nightmare began. She wanted to announce our relationship publicly because it put her in bad situations societally — you can’t be single and pregnant. I had to tell my family and my wife, and all hell broke loose. Now both marriages are on the rocks.”
There can be other unforeseen consequences of secrecy. “I’d been married misyarically for almost a year when members of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice paid me a terrible visit accusing me of prostitution,” said a 35-year old divorcee and mother of two who chose to call herself Warda.
“They wanted to drag me to the police station even though I kept shoving the marriage contract in their faces. I had to call my brother — with whom I wasn’t on speaking terms. It was terrible. I hated myself and hated all men — my children were 6- and 7-years-old.”
A social worker who frequents the courts denounced misyar marriage. “The courts are overflowing with problems from regular marriages regarding financial obligations that husbands ignore, custody problems and alimony,” she said.
“There is a horrible, growing problem in enforcing the law upon neglectful husbands and fathers. How can anyone legalize a procedure such as misyar marriage that will make room for more irresponsibility?” the social worker asked.
“Unfortunately, misyar marriage has made it easier for irresponsible, immature individuals to enter a relationship that is supposed to be based on credibility, reliability and respect,” said Abu Zaid, an elderly marriage official. “This isn’t the case. It’s treated as a temporary solution for lust. That’s not what marriage is all about. In regular polygamy all wives have exactly the same rights over the husband, be it financial, be it regarding time spent together or being public. Women think that misyar marriage is for their benefit when in fact on a long-term basis, they pay the price and not just from their pockets but from their emotions, as well.”
Many parents and children of misyar wives stated that they felt the woman as being sold short in such a marriage. Parents mostly said that the only reason they accepted the situation was in recognition of their daughters as adult women with their own needs and their right to respond to such needs. “I begged my divorced daughter not to marry a suitor who proposed a misyar marriage,” said Abu Fahda. “At the end, I gave in because I didn’t want to be the reason for her having an unlawful relationship with a man. I’m an adult, and I know she has her needs, but I’d be lying if I said that I have any respect for this stranger who comes to my house for intimacy with my daughter. I even have trouble looking her in the face,” he said. “My neighbor’s niece was married misyarically for a while, and then when the husband was done with her he just left her — just like that.”
Abu Fahda’s grandchildren share his sentiments — especially sadness. “I don’t know who this man is — this man who comes to our house and spends time with my mother,” said the 6-year-old boy. “He’s not my father, and he can’t be her husband because fathers and husbands live with their families.”
For sociologists, misyar marriage is a head-scratcher. “What are we telling others about our self-worth, and what are we telling our children about the significance and meaning of family?” asked Dr. Nahid L. “Marriage is about in-depth relationships — not just copulation. Why are more women willing to forgo what is theirs just to be ‘called’ or falsely feel married?”
When marriage was created it was to ensure that no one gets anything for free. “Each, husband and wife, has duties and rights — and even in regular marriages women are already taken for granted. Marriage isn’t just about sex. Misyar marriage is only going to make things worse as far as I’m concerned.”
Some say society msut consider other alternatives. “If they want to really solve the issue of unmarried women instead of making it easier for men to marry repeatedly and cheaply, they should make it easier for Saudi women to marry non-Saudis,” said a school teacher.
“Years ago in college, I overheard one of my son’s friends talking about marriage and girls, and he asked ‘why buy the cow when the milk is free?’ They were talking about loose girls and there not being any need for marriage with them around,” said a university professor. “With misyar marriage, haven’t we just legalized the ‘why-buy-the-milk-when-the-cow-is-free’ syndrome? And we’re supposed to be civilized?”
 

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
[MENTION=7864]Bombaybuz[/MENTION]

If you kill some1 in self defense, it means you dont get beheaded.
Also the motive of the killer has to be ascertained. Did she kill him and run away with his money? No. She wasnt accused of theft, just killing. So what is the motive? Islam does not give arbitrary punishments. Death penalty has to be very very carefully ascertained.
The Saudi govt. did not inform the Indonesian govt. about the verdict and carried out the penalty in haste before her govt. or family were given the chance to compensate with diyat. There is nothing Islamic about how this was done.
 
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Bombaybuz

Minister (2k+ posts)
@Bombaybuz

If you kill some1 in self defense, it means you dont get beheaded.
Also the motive of the killer has to be ascertained. Did she kill him and run away with his money? No. She wasnt accused of theft, just killing. So what is the motive? Islam does not give arbitrary punishments. Death penalty has to be very very carefully ascertained.
The Saudi govt. did not inform the Indonesian govt. about the verdict and carried out the penalty in haste before her govt. or family were given the chance to compensate with diyat. There is nothing Islamic about how this was done.

For GOD sack once n for all ... when did i said she cannot be innocent when i said judgement may not be baise when i said that qassas was not an option but ur not getting my point here we have people with such as nice lovely heart they are so sophisticated that they get the chance to call the Islamic capital punishment as barbaric , or talibanic or even Alquidic ... and im saying this third time this very day that don't give name to somthing which is from the Lord Almighty just to prove your self moderate and peace loving... and to please your europian masters.
 

hans

Banned
Boss, its not good to smoke marijuana ... why not try writing the same in your mother language....
I find your post confusing, what are you trying to say......??????

May be its the feebleness of your mind that is stragged your though process. Relax, enjoy what life has to offer you.
Yes I am against, Saudi King and his Entourage of Fatwa factory Mullahs....not the whole country, I tell you when I snapped....
Its when I saw the Big clock watching over Kabba. Its then I knew some thing is very wrong with this Saudis ......and there Fatwa Factory.

Now be brave and consider this for a change.... not all Sunni love to lick Saudi king you know what.
Its very clear, Saudi do not represent Islam. Lets make this clear. I don't have to type this again and again.

Do not be over zealous in your love for Saudi, they are screwed nation of hoodoos.

Further, my Dear... I have been very patient with you .... and your statements that only show your shear frustration like a child molester
you want to bully your way into any thing good or bad. Your need to correct your attitude ASAP, or else there are ways to muster your abdominal
aroma through other natural holes in your body.

Do not use words that deny your natural existence as a human being.

Good to see that this Mole b... Hans has finally managed to get into your ranks, in fact shoulder to shoulder now
Well done and get your.. f... fact right- there is no timed marriage in KSA, honor remains in Iran

Read mole's post and see the pictures
can you say that the person drinking and one in the pictures in the elevator is the same
who knows what happened between them !!!

but this mole will bend backward to prove that Muslims and in particular Saudis and Pakistanis are always wrong....
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
I dont think that Saudia works Islamically , they work according to their old local rtaditions.

The traditions before Islam.

With no research for future and honesty for present.

It is Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
Means:
The kingdom of Illiterate Saudi family.
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم

ایران میں موجودہ سزاوؤں کو جوں کا توں جاری کرنے پر میں اختلاف رکھتی ہوں۔ آج اکیسویں صدی ہے اور ریاست کے قوانین وقت اور زمانے کے حساب سے اپ ٹو ڈیٹ ہونے چاہیے ہیں۔

اسلام معاملات کے حوالے سے دو چیزوں کا مجموعہ ہے۔

۔1۔ اللہ کے ساتھ بندے کے معاملات (جنہیں عبادات کہا جاتا ہے)۔

۔2۔ بندوں کے بندوں سے معاملات جنہیں ریاستی قوانین کہا جاتا ہے۔

پہلی قسم کے احکام مین کوئی تبدیلی نہیں ہے اور عبادات جو کہ اللہ اور بندوں کا معاملہ ہے، وہ قیامت تک ایسی ہی رہنی والی ہیں۔

مگر جہاں تک ریاست کا معاملہ ہے، تو ریاست کو قوانین وقت اور ضرورت کے مطابق اپڈیٹ کرنے کی پوری سہولت حاصل ہے اور ان قوانین میں جمود نہیں۔

مثلا غلامی اور کنیز عورتوں کا معاملہ بیسویں صدی تک چلتا رہا۔ مگر شریعت کے اس فیصلے کو حالات کے مطابق بیسویں صدی میں تبدیل کیا گیا اور عالمی سطح پر غلامی پر پابندی کو قبول کیا گیا۔

مسئلے یہ ہے کہ ہمارے علماء نے ان ریاستی قوانین کو بھی چودہ سو سال پہلے کی طرح جمود کا شکار کر دیا ہے اور یہ آج کے حالات کے مطابق کچھ دیکھنے کے قابل نہیں رہے ہیں۔

آج خواتین کے معاملات میں پھر چار عینی گواہوں کو ڈھونڈنے کی باتیں ملا حضرات کرتے ہیں، حالانکہ میڈیکل رپورٹ کو بطور کافی ثبوت مان لینا چاہیے۔ اسی طرح اور بہت سے معاملات ہیں جہاں میڈیکل ٹیکنالوجی کو بطور ثبوت ماننا چاہیے بجائے چودہ سو سالہ پہلے کے قوانین سے چمٹے رہنے کے۔



Islam never said that u do not go with science.

One a woman was raped , rasool Allah told that if the baby will be of this shape then it will belong to him , otherwise , if this shape then her husband's.

I dont know the exect words of this Hadees , but I know the purpose of this Hadees that in case , four witness are not available , but still crime is there , and the result of rape will come out , so how u decide whose baby is this?

If some one know this hadees , please write it down. It is with the word " موٹی اور گول سرین ( پنڈلی ) والا بچہ"...

So DNA or other forensic test for murder investigation are not prohibited. 1400 years old rules are not obsolete .

It is good to have witness plus medical test to favour each other.

It is same thing thing , we check watches now for sehri , Aftari ,where as before , we used to check the darkness on the sky . no difference.

Actually the Islamic rules are made , based on directly on humans , not depending upon any machine , or any other second hand items.
 

Raaz

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[MENTION=22002]Mehwish[/MENTION]_ali
[شیخ ابن باز صاحب سے سوال]: آپ نے ایک فتوی جاری کیا ہے کہ اس بات کی اجازت ہے کہ ویسٹرن [مغربی] ممالک میں اس نیت سے شادی کر لی جائے کہ کچھ عرصے کے بعد عورت کو طلاق دے دی جائے۔۔۔۔۔ تو پھر آپکے اس فتوے اور عقد متعہ میں کیا فرق ہوا؟


ایک بہت پرانی فلم کا گانا ہے

یہی اعجاز ہے حسن آوارگی کا
جہاں بھی گۓ داستان چھوڑ آے


واہ رے شیعہ اور سنی مسمانو

اوباما ایسی ہی حسن آوارگی کی خوف ناک داستان ہے جس کو مسلمان بڑے فخر سے اپنے سینے پر سجانا چاہتے ہیں

حالانکہ ڈوب مرنے کا مقام ہے

اسی طرح نہ جانے کتنے لاکھوں مسمانوں کے بچے کدھر کدھر بھٹک رہے ہوں گے!!!!
 
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awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
For GOD sack once n for all ... when did i said she cannot be innocent when i said judgement may not be baise when i said that qassas was not an option but ur not getting my point here we have people with such as nice lovely heart they are so sophisticated that they get the chance to call the Islamic capital punishment as barbaric , or talibanic or even Alquidic ... and im saying this third time this very day that don't give name to somthing which is from the Lord Almighty just to prove your self moderate and peace loving... and to please your europian masters.

Before you lose your marbles completely, point out where I said that Quranic laws are barbaric??
 

Safarmai

MPA (400+ posts)
I thought we can write our own opinions here, too.
In case you demand source: all news papers and tv programs, which i read and saw, most of the swat people were fed up with taliban rule.


Not to defend any ideology but to challenge the false propaganda, can you tell us your source of information or its just another slander by Islamophobics?