Javed Ahmad Ghamdi Threads - Collection

Boota

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

Everything is Fitna. Itney musalman nahiN jitney Fitney haiN.

Its natural to have differences of opinion in religion. Every religion has sects who dont see the things in same way. Islam since first century and second century too has had many sects and opinions. People will take the ones which they feel attracted to. If you feel they are wrong, present your arguments and convince people.
 
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Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

Initially I had the similar thoughts about him as most of the people in the forum have, but after detailed study of his work, i came to the conclusion that he is really a very learned scholor with very positive approach to all the issues and is really the need of time. I am quite convinced with his interpretation of Deen and urge you people too to go through some of his work and lectures with open mind. Frankly speaking I found out answers to most of my questions from him which were not satisfactorily answered by other scholors. But by saying him a good scholor I am not undermining the status of other good scholors. We need to hear them all and find out what is true from our heart and mind and seek guidance from the Almightly. God bless you all.
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

اس سے انکار نہی کہ یہ ، پرویز ، غامدی وغیرہ سب برے ہیں

لیکن اب ذرا اچھے لوگوں کا بھی ذکر ہو جاۓ

ذرا گنیے کہ ہم میں کتنے راستباز عالم دن اور اسلامی مفکر ہیں جن پر قوم متفق ہے

میرا خیال ہے کہ امام حنبل اور امام شافی کے شاگرد بھی امام ابو حنیفہ کے بارے میں اسی طرح کہتے ہوں گے کہ دیکھو یہ یہ کہتے ہیں

ایک امام کہتا ہے کہ طلاق ہو گی دوسرا کہتا ہے کھ نہی ہوئی

تو یہ تو سمجھ کا بھی فرق ہے ، اور علم کا بھی

خود رسول کریم نے بھی ایک کام کو مختلف موقوں پر مختلف طرح فرمایا ہے

تو کفر کے فتوے لگانا ٹھیک کام نہی ، اس میں سوچنے اور درگزر کرنے کی بات ہے

خود کو ٹھیک رکھو ، باخبر رکھو ، قرآن پاک کو سجھو ، میرا خیان ہے کسی پرویز کی ضرورت نہی کسی غامدی کی ہنہی ، کسی مودودی کی ضرورت نہی...

ضرورت ہے تو ٹھیک کام کرنیوالے کی​
 

anees1980

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

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Jazak Allah brother, may Allah reward you and punish and curse those who are working against the religion of our beloved Prophet Muhammad Sallah Ho Alihi Wasalam.
 

Ehraz

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

lets do an exchange program. send him to india and we will send you Zakir naik. how is that for a deal?
Good Idea. Zakir Naik is a liar and he suites best in current scenario going on in Pakistan. Ghamdi a rational person although I disagree with him on certain issues.
 

naeemk

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

better you just care about exteremly discriminated 300 million dalits, 200 million muslims and hundred of millions those who born and die on the side walks (if there are any side walks) and dozens of sepratist movments they want to get out of sh1t hole called india.
lets do an exchange program. send him to india and we will send you Zakir naik. how is that for a deal?
 
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next2saint

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

I dunno why ppl are against him... i have seen his programmes and found totally logical and based on common sense...

But i must clear one thing... Hidayat comes from Allah.. not from any person.. Pls read Quran with translations.. www.quranexplorer.com , you can find 3 urdu translations and 5 english translations.. and then watch Ghamidi's programmes.. and then do let me know where do u find contradiction...

Its only your own responsibility to understand Islam.. on doomsday no one will bear burden of another person.. u cant never give Allah an excuse that u were misled by mr.xyz.. u got brains, u got Quran.. do the effort... its as simple as that...
 

SaadKnight

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

I dunno why ppl are against him... i have seen his programmes and found totally logical and based on common sense...

But i must clear one thing... Hidayat comes from Allah.. not from any person.. Pls read Quran with translations.. www.quranexplorer.com , you can find 3 urdu translations and 5 english translations.. and then watch Ghamidi's programmes.. and then do let me know where do u find contradiction...

Its only your own responsibility to understand Islam.. on doomsday no one will bear burden of another person.. u cant never give Allah an excuse that u were misled by mr.xyz.. u got brains, u got Quran.. do the effort... its as simple as that...
I respectfully disagree.

There are 2 types of common sense:
1. Natural Human Common Sense.
2. Zionist Planted Common Sense.

Which common sense are you talking about when ghamidi says that Eesa Ibn Maryam is dead and will not be back in the end times, when there are ahadees that say the he will descend from the sky with his hands on the shoulders of 2 angels?

Which common sense are you talking about when ghamidi rejects pardah?


Which common sense are you talking about when ghamidi says that Hazrat Muhammad pbuh will not have the power of Intercession on the day of judgement?

Which common sense are you talking about when ghamidi says that music and mujra is not haram, when music has been declared the call of shaitaan by Allah and his Messenger pbuh?


Which common sense are you talking about when ghamidi says that ladies can lead salah?

Which common sense are you talking about when ghamidi says that there is no شرعی ruling of Jihad in Islam and there is no ruling of Jihad against kuffar?

And many more.............

All that ghamidi says benefits the enemies
of Islam.
 
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next2saint

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

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538477]I respectfully disagree.


Thankyou for your polite reply

There are 2 types of common sense:
1. Natural Human Common Sense.
2. Zionist Planted Common Sense.

Which common sense are you talking about when ghamidi says that Eesa Ibn Maryam is dead and will not be back in the end times, when there are ahadees that say the he will descend from the sky with his hands on the shoulders of 2 angels?

Pls give references of such Hadith. I hope you know that Hazrat Muhammad (P.B.U.H) came to spread religion of Hazrat Ibrahim (P.B.U.H). Though, all other Prophets did come to convey same message as well (i.e There is none worthy of worship save Allah). Hence, no Prophet will come after Hazrat Muhammad to spread religion of Hazrat Ibrahim(P.B.U.H).
Lets assume, that Hazrat Eesa ibn Maryam will come (lets say in yr2020). What would he be saying to people? what message he will be conveying to people? why in the name of earth he will come to tell Christians that there is no concept of Trinity (especially when Quran,itself, has clarified it)?
Pls do share your point of view of his purpose if he really has to come in future?


Which common sense are you talking about when ghamidi rejects pardah?


Explain your defination of Pardah? btw In Quran it is clearly stated that Allah has ordered wives of Hazrat Muhammad(P.B.U.H) to talk in strict tone while speaking to strangers and when they go out they should cover themselves so that they can be known (i.e that their way of covering can be known to ppl that these r wives of Hazrat Muhammad (P.B.U.H))

For other ladies they should dress in a way that their body is not exposed..i.e avoid tight fittings..


Which common sense are you talking about when ghamidi says that Hazrat Muhammad pbuh will not have the power of Intercession on the day of judgement?

Define intercession? whom will Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) intercede? will he intercede for a person who calls himself Muslim but doesn't follow any Islamic principles (like Prayers, Fast, Zakat, Iman on Quran and Angels, Hajj etc)? or will he intercede for a person whose left hand weight is 50.01% more than his right hand 49.99%?
btw Hazrat Muhammad(PBUH) will only verify that a person belongs to his ummat (i.e a person has died after message of Islam by Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) has been conveyed),
To decide weather a person will go to hell or Heaven is totally on GOD.


Which common sense are you talking about when ghamidi says that music and mujra is not haram, when music has been declared the call of shaitaan by Allah and his Messenger pbuh?



Mujra? pls do share that video where he has said that? and as fas as music is concern i agree with Ghamidi.. how can it be haram unless its poetry is filthy..? if u show a Molvi a nude pic. he will say pic is haram.. does it mean that a family pic which is displayed in drawing room is also haram?? common man give ur horse sense a break

Chicken is halal, but would u eat chicken in KFC - USA? unless its Kosher.. Beef steak is halal.. would u eat beef steak from any US,UK restaurant?


Which common sense are you talking about when ghamidi says that ladies can lead salah?

That i will not agree, but again pls do share that video or link on his official website

Which common sense are you talking about when ghamidi says that there is no شرعی ruling of Jihad in Islam and there is no ruling of Jihad against kuffar?

Jihad in Quran has been clearly stated... and u cannot just engage in holy-war with any infidel country unless they declare a war on u first.. otherwise you will be saying that Islam doesn't allow non-Muslims to follow their respective religion


And many more.............

All that ghamidi says benefits the enemies
of Islam.

Well you tell me your Mulla.. and i will tell you how many times he has been wrong... I am totally against schism.. i cannot follow one particular molvi blindly..

Pls also note that Hidayat will ONLY come from Allah... we should pray to Allah constantly to guide us on straight path.. that is why we recite Sura Fateh on every Rakat
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AbuOkasha

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

@All Ghamidi Followers

What Kind of "LOGIC" AND "COMMON SENSE" IS THIS.

This Article on HomoSexuality Published in Monthly Renaissance ( Chief Editor Javaid Ahmed Ghamidi)

http://www.monthly-renaissance.com/issue/content.aspx?id=187


سوال، ہم جنس پرستی ایک اختیاری عمل ہے یا فطریَ

جواب۔ ( داڑھی والے) تو یہی کہیں گے یہ ایک مسخ شدہ ذہنیت اور اوباش معاشرے کی پیداوار
ہے لیکن میں اس بحث میں اس نظریئے کا حامل ہوں کہ یہ ایک فطری عمل ہے
اللہ نے مختلف اقسام کی متبادل اشیا کو پیدا کیا ہے، مختلف مزاج اور رجحانات کی
حامل مخلوق کو پیدا کیا ، اور پھر ایسا شخص ہم جنس پرستی پر کیسا فیصلہ دے سکتا
ہے جسنیں زندگی میں ہم جنس پرستی کا تجربہ نا کیا ہو۔
ہم کیسے اسیے لوگوں کو جو ہم جنس پرستی کا تجربہ کرتے ہیں بیمار
اور مسخ طبیعت کا حامل قرار دے سکتے ہیں۔۔۔۔


One Can only say after reading this "Lahuwla Wala Quwwata Illa Billahil Aliyul Azeem".


 

siasihero

Voter (50+ posts)
Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

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Thankyou for your polite reply

There are 2 types of common sense:
1. Natural Human Common Sense.
2. Zionist Planted Common Sense.

Which common sense are you talking about when ghamidi says that Eesa Ibn Maryam is dead and will not be back in the end times, when there are ahadees that say the he will descend from the sky with his hands on the shoulders of 2 angels?

Pls give references of such Hadith. I hope you know that Hazrat Muhammad (P.B.U.H) came to spread religion of Hazrat Ibrahim (P.B.U.H). Though, all other Prophets did come to convey same message as well (i.e There is none worthy of worship save Allah). Hence, no Prophet will come after Hazrat Muhammad to spread religion of Hazrat Ibrahim(P.B.U.H).
Lets assume, that Hazrat Eesa ibn Maryam will come (lets say in yr2020). What would he be saying to people? what message he will be conveying to people? why in the name of earth he will come to tell Christians that there is no concept of Trinity (especially when Quran,itself, has clarified it)?
Pls do share your point of view of his purpose if he really has to come in future?


Which common sense are you talking about when ghamidi rejects pardah?[/SIZE]

Explain your defination of Pardah? btw In Quran it is clearly stated that Allah has ordered wives of Hazrat Muhammad(P.B.U.H) to talk in strict tone while speaking to strangers and when they go out they should cover themselves so that they can be known (i.e that their way of covering can be known to ppl that these r wives of Hazrat Muhammad (P.B.U.H))

For other ladies they should dress in a way that their body is not exposed..i.e avoid tight fittings..


Which common sense are you talking about when ghamidi says that Hazrat Muhammad pbuh will not have the power of Intercession on the day of judgement?

Define intercession? whom will Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) intercede? will he intercede for a person who calls himself Muslim but doesn't follow any Islamic principles (like Prayers, Fast, Zakat, Iman on Quran and Angels, Hajj etc)? or will he intercede for a person whose left hand weight is 50.01% more than his right hand 49.99%?
btw Hazrat Muhammad(PBUH) will only verify that a person belongs to his ummat (i.e a person has died after message of Islam by Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) has been conveyed),
To decide weather a person will go to hell or Heaven is totally on GOD.


Which common sense are you talking about when ghamidi says that music and mujra is not haram, when music has been declared the call of shaitaan by Allah and his Messenger pbuh?



Mujra? pls do share that video where he has said that? and as fas as music is concern i agree with Ghamidi.. how can it be haram unless its poetry is filthy..? if u show a Molvi a nude pic. he will say pic is haram.. does it mean that a family pic which is displayed in drawing room is also haram?? common man give ur horse sense a break

Chicken is halal, but would u eat chicken in KFC - USA? unless its Kosher.. Beef steak is halal.. would u eat beef steak from any US,UK restaurant?


Which common sense are you talking about when ghamidi says that ladies can lead salah?

That i will not agree, but again pls do share that video or link on his official website

Which common sense are you talking about when ghamidi says that there is no شرعی ruling of Jihad in Islam and there is no ruling of Jihad against kuffar?

Jihad in Quran has been clearly stated... and u cannot just engage in holy-war with any infidel country unless they declare a war on u first.. otherwise you will be saying that Islam doesn't allow non-Muslims to follow their respective religion


And many more.............

All that ghamidi says benefits the enemies
of Islam.

Well you tell me your Mulla.. and i will tell you how many times he has been wrong... I am totally against schism.. i cannot follow one particular molvi blindly..

Pls also note that Hidayat will ONLY come from Allah... we should pray to Allah constantly to guide us on straight path.. that is why we recite Sura Fateh on every Rakat
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I couldn't explain better than that. Well done.:biggthumpup:
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

1)Can any mullah explain what shirk is so that we could define and understand tawheed properly?

2)can any mullah explain what sunnah is so that we could define bidah and understand islam properly?

3)can any mullah explain what taqleed is so that we could define ghair muqalidiyat and unite ummah on proper foundation of islam?

4)Can any mullahs explain what iblees is and why he is called a jinn?

5)Can any mullah explain why the quran uses word jinn?

6)Can any mullah explain why the quran uses word malaaikah?

7)Can any mullah prove jesus is alive today and is coming back to this world?

There are many tough questions that people have difficulty explaining so let people think and find good answers for themselves and others instead of pushing nonsese in the name of islam.

How stupid that people do not know things themselves and they are not bothered to know yet dare stop others from knowing.

Don't dellude yourselves by holding onto make beliefs in the name of islam, find out the truth for yourselves.

Fasaad is not created by any person who is trying to find out what is right and proper but those stupid people who rather hold on to their own ignorance and stupidity.

We are all born ignorant but capable of learning and as we learn we are going to have difference of opinions depending upon how much each of us has come to know.

Would you rather stay the way you were born? Unite on basis of learning not on sitting idle in stupidity. Dont stop people from learning and teaching instead be pat of it.
 
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SaadKnight

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Is Ghamdi a False Flag Islamic Scholar

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Thankyou for your polite reply

There are 2 types of common sense:
1. Natural Human Common Sense.
2. Zionist Planted Common Sense.

Which common sense are you talking about when ghamidi says that Eesa Ibn Maryam is dead and will not be back in the end times, when there are ahadees that say the he will descend from the sky with his hands on the shoulders of 2 angels?

Pls give references of such Hadith. I hope you know that Hazrat Muhammad (P.B.U.H) came to spread religion of Hazrat Ibrahim (P.B.U.H). Though, all other Prophets did come to convey same message as well (i.e There is none worthy of worship save Allah). Hence, no Prophet will come after Hazrat Muhammad to spread religion of Hazrat Ibrahim(P.B.U.H).
Lets assume, that Hazrat Eesa ibn Maryam will come (lets say in yr2020). What would he be saying to people? what message he will be conveying to people? why in the name of earth he will come to tell Christians that there is no concept of Trinity (especially when Quran,itself, has clarified it)?
Pls do share your point of view of his purpose if he really has to come in future?


Which common sense are you talking about when ghamidi rejects pardah?[/SIZE]

Explain your defination of Pardah? btw In Quran it is clearly stated that Allah has ordered wives of Hazrat Muhammad(P.B.U.H) to talk in strict tone while speaking to strangers and when they go out they should cover themselves so that they can be known (i.e that their way of covering can be known to ppl that these r wives of Hazrat Muhammad (P.B.U.H))

For other ladies they should dress in a way that their body is not exposed..i.e avoid tight fittings..


Which common sense are you talking about when ghamidi says that Hazrat Muhammad pbuh will not have the power of Intercession on the day of judgement?

Define intercession? whom will Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) intercede? will he intercede for a person who calls himself Muslim but doesn't follow any Islamic principles (like Prayers, Fast, Zakat, Iman on Quran and Angels, Hajj etc)? or will he intercede for a person whose left hand weight is 50.01% more than his right hand 49.99%?
btw Hazrat Muhammad(PBUH) will only verify that a person belongs to his ummat (i.e a person has died after message of Islam by Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) has been conveyed),
To decide weather a person will go to hell or Heaven is totally on GOD.


Which common sense are you talking about when ghamidi says that music and mujra is not haram, when music has been declared the call of shaitaan by Allah and his Messenger pbuh?



Mujra? pls do share that video where he has said that? and as fas as music is concern i agree with Ghamidi.. how can it be haram unless its poetry is filthy..? if u show a Molvi a nude pic. he will say pic is haram.. does it mean that a family pic which is displayed in drawing room is also haram?? common man give ur horse sense a break

Chicken is halal, but would u eat chicken in KFC - USA? unless its Kosher.. Beef steak is halal.. would u eat beef steak from any US,UK restaurant?


Which common sense are you talking about when ghamidi says that ladies can lead salah?

That i will not agree, but again pls do share that video or link on his official website

Which common sense are you talking about when ghamidi says that there is no شرعی ruling of Jihad in Islam and there is no ruling of Jihad against kuffar?

Jihad in Quran has been clearly stated... and u cannot just engage in holy-war with any infidel country unless they declare a war on u first.. otherwise you will be saying that Islam doesn't allow non-Muslims to follow their respective religion


And many more.............

All that ghamidi says benefits the enemies
of Islam.

Well you tell me your Mulla.. and i will tell you how many times he has been wrong... I am totally against schism.. i cannot follow one particular molvi blindly..

Pls also note that Hidayat will ONLY come from Allah... we should pray to Allah constantly to guide us on straight path.. that is why we recite Sura Fateh on every Rakat
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With all due respect, you are only following translation of the quran, without the light of ahadees and sunnat-e-rasool, which is exactly what ghamidi is doing. Quran without ahadees and sunnat-e-rasool can be turned into any desired direction.

As far as the mujra thing is concerened, mujra/dance is solely based on music without music there is no mujra/dance, dance defined in urdu is mujra. If you dont agree then do please tell me the difference between dance and mujra?

Hidaya definately comes from Allah but Allah appoints a messenger that explains those hidaya through his words and his actions. All aspects of the life of a messenger is meant to be a role model for the rest of the ummat (which also includes the behaviour of the wives).
How would you know how to pray from the quran without the messenger of Allah, Hazrat Muhammad pbuh?

Think about this, if men are to follow Hazrat Muhammad pbuh, then whom would women follow?


You say you will not follow any one molvi blindly, which a contradiction of your own actions. By the looks of it you support ghamidi in full.

No offence ;)
 
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