Ka'inat Ki Har Shay,Ghulam e Rasool (S.a.w) Hay

[babadeena]

What is the meaning of Muala?

http://www.quraneasyurdu.net/l00038/maula/p.htm

 

[babadeena]

@Mughal1,
Dear you have injected into thread so many topics. I just picked up from the first post only one question:

"Is it that all things of Universe are Ghulam of our Prophet(pbuh) or that of any Prophet(as)", I do not mind
discussing with you any topic which you wish, but let us please be on thread and on topic. Let us check and
decide this, that whether sayings like this is correct or it tantamounts to challenge the authority of Allah(SWT);

 

[babadeena]

Muslims do not fall in to that category of people because Allah himself tells them to come to the propohet so that he could intercede to Allah on their behalf.

063.005 YUSUFALI: And when it is said to them, "Come, the Messenger of Allah will pray for your forgiveness", they turn aside their heads, and thou wouldst see them turning away their faces in arrogance.

This verse is not addressed to Muslims? but to Hypocrites and they are two different categories.

005.035 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Do your duty to Allah, seek the means of approach unto Him, and strive with might and main in his cause: that ye may prosper.

Question is what are the "means of approach", personalities, dead personalities, past personalities, living personalities, or good deeds like striving in
the way of allah etc. etc. that is the question.

017.057 YUSUFALI: Those whom they call upon do desire (for themselves) means of access to their Lord, - even those who are nearest: they hope for His Mercy and fear His Wrath: for the Wrath of thy Lord is something to take heed of.

Please read it in continuation of 17:57. Allah has clearly forbidden to call any one except Him (This anyone includes all);
56. Say: Cry unto those (saints and angels) whom ye assume (to be gods) beside Him,
yet they have no power to rid you of misfortune nor to change.

021.028 YUSUFALI: He knows what is before them, and what is behind them, and they offer no intercession except for those who are acceptable, and they stand in awe and reverence of His (Glory).

Please check who are they in blue.
Dear as I said that the topic is not "intercession" here. You wish to discuss it most welcome. There are already threads on this
but you can start another also;
"Say INTERCESSION BELONGS TO ALLAH ONLY", this clear verse closes all and everything.

 

[babadeena]

Baba G: Do me a favour to explain this Ayah further:

According to you Rasool Allah Sal Lallah o Alaih Wasalam said "I am Bashar like you".

But

Be Courageous and just claim here that "YOU ARE BASHAR LIKE RASOOL ALLAH pbuh "

Hepbuh was Messanger of Allah and now if you claim to be LIKE HIM then you must be.........................as well!!!!!!

Waiting very very very pationately for your answer.

Have some quanity of sense in your head before posting. That is a Quranic verse, not mine words, which I have quoted. If you
have any reservation on Quranic Verse, just look towards Skies!!!!!!

 

[Abdul Allah]

http://www.quraneasyurdu.net/l00038/maula/p.htm

First of All link is not correct you missed L in html.

second So only Allah is "Maula"???
If you take Maula as normally we Urdu speaking people take means as Rab then yes.
But if Maula as it meanings such as Protector,Helper, Wali etc...
then No
Sura 5

إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلوةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَوةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ - وَمَن يَتَوَلَّ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَالَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ فَإِنَّ حِزْبَ اللَّهِ هُمُ الْغَـلِبُونَ

(55. Verily, your Protector is Allah, His Messenger, and the believers, those who perform the Salah, and give Zakah, and they bow down.) (56. And whosoever takes Allah, His Messenger, and those who have believed, as protectors, then the party of Allah will be the victorious.)

 

[Abdul Allah]

Have some quanity of sense in your head before posting. That is a Quranic verse, not mine words, which I have quoted. If you
have any reservation on Quranic Verse, just look towards Skies!!!!!!

It was just a question.
Muhammad pbuh through Quran said "I am bashar like you"
But
can we say that We are bashar like him.

 

[Abdul Allah]

"Say INTERCESSION BELONGS TO ALLAH ONLY", this clear verse closes all and everything.

Sure it is. that
INTERCESSION BELONGS TO ALLAH ONLY

So if Allah ALLOW some one (as INTERCESSION BELONGS TO ALLAH ONLY) to do surely he can. isnt it?

 

[Cheeko]

Babadeena has no proper answer and he also deny the Ayats that I tell.

Following the whole Quran is good but following selective Ayats is bad. Each and every word Quran tells is to be followed.

None of you have told anything about the Quran Ayats in which intercession clearly found. Have you closed your eyes or it that your hearts closed. The truth is mentioned in Quran while you deny it. It is clear that except whom Allah wills. If the Last Messenger peace be upon Him not the exception then no one is exception and then do you tell that these Ayats are waste Nauzobillah.


Any man know meaning of intercession


Allah - there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation tires Him not. And He is the Most High, the Most Great [2:255]


Notice the word "except" in the above mentioned verse. This verse does not condemn the presence of an intercessor; they just put a condition for the fact of intercession.


That Day, no intercession will benefit except one to whom the Most Merciful has given permission and has accepted his word [20:109]

And intercession does not benefit with Him except for one whom He permits. [And those wait] until, when terror is removed from their hearts, they will say [to one another], "What has your Lord said?" They will say, "The truth." And He is the Most High, the Grand [34:23]


And how many angels there are in the heavens whose intercession will not avail at all except after Allah has permitted to whom He wills and approves [53:26]


He knows what is before them, and what is behind them, and they cannot intercede except for him with whom He is pleased. And they stand in awe for fear of Him [21:28]


And those whom they invoke instead of Him have no power of intercession; except those who bear witness to the truth and they know [43:86]


And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah. And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, [O Muhammad], and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful [4:64]

In waseela Ayats the translation clearly shows that it is not forbidden

Those whom they invoke seek means of access to their Lord, [striving as to] which of them would be nearest, and they hope for His mercy and fear His punishment. Indeed, the punishment of your Lord is ever feared [17:57]

Where is it forbidden tell me in the above Ayat

O you who have believed, fear Allah and seek the means of approach (waseela) to Him and strive in His cause that you may succeed [5:35]

There are numerous Hadees about intercession shall we start dialoguing.
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[Mughal1]

Calling Ambiya Bashar Like Them!


List A: Allah has called Ambiya as Bashar


Surah Ale Imran

[FONT=Quranic_Font]مَا کَانَ لِبَشَرٍ اَنۡ یُّؤْتِیَہُ اللہُ الْکِتٰبَ وَالْحُکْمَ وَالنُّبُوَّۃَ ثُمَّ یَقُوۡلَ لِلنَّاسِ کُوۡنُوۡا عِبَادًا لِّیۡ مِنۡ دُوۡنِ اللہِ وَلٰکِنۡ کُوۡنُوۡا رَبّٰنِیّٖنَ بِمَا کُنۡتُمْ تُعَلِّمُوۡنَ الْکِتٰبَ [/FONT]

[FONT=Quranic_Font]وَبِمَا کُنۡتُمْ تَدْرُسُوۡن[/FONT]


Surah Shura, Ayah No. 51


[FONT=Quranic_Font]وَ مَا کَانَ لِبَشَرٍ اَنۡ یُّکَلِّمَہُ اللہُ اِلَّا وَحْیًا اَوْ مِنۡ وَّرَآیِٔ حِجَابٍ اَوْ یُرْسِلَ رَسُوۡلًا فَیُوۡحِیَ بِاِذْنِہٖ مَا یَشَآءُ ؕ اِنَّہٗ عَلِیٌّ حَکِیۡمٌ[/FONT]


List B: Ambiya themselves called Bashar


Surah Ibrahim, Ayah No. 11


[FONT=Quranic_Font]قَالَتْ لَہُمْ رُسُلُہُمْ اِنۡ نَّحْنُ اِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُکُمْ وَلٰکِنَّ اللہَ یَمُنُّ عَلٰی مَنۡ یَّشَآءُ مِنْ عِبَادِہٖ ؕ وَمَا کَانَ لَنَاۤ اَنۡ نَّاۡتِیَکُمۡ بِسُلْطٰنٍ اِلَّا بِاِذْنِ اللہِ ؕ وَعلَی اللہِ فَلْیَتَوَکَّلِ [/FONT]
[FONT=Quranic_Font]الْمُؤْمِنُوۡنَ[/FONT]


Surah Isra, Ayah No. 93


[FONT=Quranic_Font]قُلْ سُبْحَانَ رَبِّیۡ ہَلْ کُنۡتُ اِلَّا بَشَرًا رَّسُوۡلًا[/FONT]


Surah Kahaf, Ayah No. 110


[FONT=Quranic_Font]قُلْ اِنَّمَاۤ اَنَا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُکُمْ یُوۡحٰۤی اِلَیَّ اَنَّمَاۤ اِلٰـہُکُمْ اِلٰہٌ وَّاحِدٌ ۚ فَمَنۡ کَانَ یَرْجُوۡ لِقَآءَ رَبِّہٖ فَلْیَعْمَلْ عَمَلًا صَالِحًا وَّ لَا یُشْرِکْ بِعِبَادَۃِ رَبِّہٖۤ اَحَدًا[/FONT]


List C: Non-Believers called Ambiya not only “Bashar” but also “Like Them”


Now I am listing Ayahs which indicate it were Non-Believers who claimed Ambiya to be “Bashar like them”!


[FONT=Quranic_Font]Surah Hud, Ayah No. 27[/FONT]


[FONT=Quranic_Font]فَقَالَ الْمَلَاُ الَّذِیۡنَ کَفَرُوۡا مِنۡ قِوْمِہٖ مَا نَرٰىکَ اِلَّا بَشَرًا مِّثْلَنَا وَمَا نَرٰىکَ اتَّبَعَکَ اِلَّا الَّذِیۡنَ ہُمْ اَرَاذِلُنَا بَادِیَ الرَّاۡیِ ۚ وَ مَا نَرٰی لَکُمْ عَلَیۡنَا مِنۡ فَضْلٍۭ بَلْ [/FONT]
[FONT=Quranic_Font]نَظُنُّکُمْ کٰذِبِیۡنَ[/FONT]


Surah Ibrahim, Ayah No. 10


[FONT=Quranic_Font]قَالَتْ رُسُلُہُمْ اَفِی اللہِ شَکٌّ فَاطِرِ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرْضِ ؕ یَدْعُوۡکُمْ لِیَغْفِرَ لَکُمۡ مِّنۡ ذُنُوۡبِکُمْ وَیُؤَخِّرَکُمْ اِلٰۤی اَجَلٍ مُّسَمًّی ؕ قَالُوۡۤا اِنْ اَنۡتُمْ اِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُنَا ؕ تُرِیۡدُوۡنَ اَنۡ تَصُدُّوۡنَا عَمَّا [/FONT]

[FONT=Quranic_Font]کَانَ یَعْبُدُ اٰبَآؤُنَا فَاۡتُوۡنَا بِسُلْطٰنٍ مُّبِیۡنٍ[/FONT]


Surah Ambiya, Ayah No. 3


[FONT=Quranic_Font]لَاہِیَۃً قُلُوۡبُہُمْ ؕ وَ اَسَرُّوا النَّجْوَی ٭ۖ الَّذِیۡنَ ظَلَمُوۡا ٭ۖ ہَلْ ہٰذَاۤ اِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُکُمْ ۚ اَفَتَاْتُوۡنَ السِّحْرَ وَ اَنۡتُمْ تُبْصِرُوۡنَ[/FONT]


Surah Mu’minoon, Ayah No. 24


[FONT=Quranic_Font]فَقَالَ الْمَلَؤُ الَّذِیۡنَ کَفَرُوۡا مِنۡ قَوْمِہٖ مَا ہٰذَاۤ اِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُکُمْ ۙ یُرِیۡدُ اَنۡ یَّتَفَضَّلَ عَلَیۡکُمْ ؕ وَ لَوْ شَآءَ اللہُ لَاَنۡزَلَ مَلٰٓئِکَۃً ۚۖ مَّا سَمِعْنَا بِہٰذَا فِیۡۤ اٰبَآئِنَا الْاَوَّلِیۡنَ[/FONT]


Surah Mu’minoon, Ayah No. 33



[FONT=Quranic_Font]وَ قَالَ الْمَلَاُ مِنۡ قَوْمِہِ الَّذِیۡنَ کَفَرُوۡا وَکَذَّبُوۡا بِلِقَآءِ الْاٰخِرَۃِ وَ اَتْرَفْنٰہُمْ فِی الْحَیٰوۃِ الدُّنْیَا ۙ مَا ہٰذَاۤ اِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُکُمْ ۙ یَاۡکُلُ مِمَّا تَاۡکُلُوۡنَ مِنْہُ وَ یَشْرَبُ مِمَّا تَشْرَبُوۡنَ[/FONT]


Surah Mu’minoon, Ayah No. 34


[FONT=Quranic_Font]وَلَئِنْ اَطَعْتُمۡ بَشَرًا مِّثْلَکُمْ اِنَّکُمْ اِذًا لَّخٰسِرُوۡنَ[/FONT]


Surah Mu’minoon, Ayah No. 47


[FONT=Quranic_Font]فَقَالُوۡۤا اَنُؤْمِنُ لِبَشَرَیۡنِ مِثْلِنَا وَ قَوْمُہُمَا لَنَا عٰبِدُوۡنَ[/FONT]


Surah Shu’ara, Ayah No. 154


[FONT=Quranic_Font]مَاۤ اَنۡتَ اِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُنَا ۚۖ فَاۡتِ بِاٰیَۃٍ اِنۡ کُنۡتَ مِنَ الصّٰدِقِیۡنَ[/FONT]


Surah Shu’ara, Ayah No. 186


[FONT=Quranic_Font]وَمَاۤ اَنۡتَ اِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُنَا وَ اِنۡ نَّظُنُّکَ لَمِنَ الْکٰذِبِیۡنَ[/FONT]


Surah Yaseen, Ayah No. 15


[FONT=Quranic_Font]قَالُوۡا مَاۤ اَنۡتُمْ اِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُنَا ۙ وَ مَاۤ اَنۡزَلَ الرَّحْمٰنُ مِنۡ شَیۡءٍ ۙ اِنْ اَنۡتُمْ اِلَّا تَکْذِبُوۡنَ[/FONT]


Surah Qamar, Ayah No. 24


[FONT=Quranic_Font]فَقَالُوۡۤا اَبَشَرًا مِّنَّا وَاحِدًا نَّتَّبِعُہٗۤ ۙ اِنَّاۤ اِذًا لَّفِیۡ ضَلٰلٍ وَّ سُعُرٍ[/FONT]


[FONT=Quranic_Font]Surah Taghaabun, Ayah No. 6[/FONT]


[FONT=Quranic_Font]ذٰلِکَ بِاَنَّہٗ کَانَتۡ تَّاۡتِیۡہِمْ رُسُلُہُمۡ بِالْبَیِّنٰتِ فَقَالُوۡۤا اَبَشَرٌ یَّہۡدُوۡنَنَا ۫ فَکَفَرُوۡا وَ تَوَلَّوۡا وَّ اسْتَغْنَی اللہُ ؕ وَ اللہُ غَنِیٌّ حَمِیۡدٌ[/FONT]


[FONT=Quranic_Font]Summary: In2 Ayahs Allah calls them Bashar, in 3 Ayahs Ambiya call themselves Bashar and in 2 Ayahs Non-believers call them Bashar while in 10 Ayahs they even called them BASHAR LIKE THEM![/FONT]


[FONT=Quranic_Font]It is also important to note that whenever Ambiya called themelves "Bashar Like Them", they were accosting to Non-believers![/FONT]


[FONT=Quranic_Font]So it means they were considering them Bashar like Non-believers?????[/FONT]


[FONT=Quranic_Font]Could any Believer may even think that Ambiya are Bashar like Non-believers!!! [/FONT]


[FONT=Quranic_Font]Reasons could be their humbleness or they were aware that they are accosting Non-believers so it hardly matters as Non-believers even deny to worship Allah! [/FONT]


[FONT=Quranic_Font]I tried my best to find any ayah which indicates any of BELIEVERS EVER CALLED AMBIYA AS BASHAR LIKE THEM OR EVEN BASHAR![/FONT]


[FONT=Quranic_Font]So according to Quran there are 3 categories to call Ambiya as Bashar:[/FONT]


[FONT=Quranic_Font]Category 1: Allah has called them Bashar but is interesting to note what Allah comments about Sahaba:[/FONT]


[FONT=Quranic_Font]Surah Hujraat, Ayah No. 4[/FONT]


[FONT=Quranic_Font]اِنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ یُنَادُوۡنَکَ مِنۡ وَّرَآءِ الْحُجُرٰتِ اَکْثَرُہُمْ لَا یَعْقِلُوۡنَ[/FONT]


[Shakir 49:4] (As for) those who call out to you from behind the private chambers, surely most of them do not understand.
[Pickthal 49:4] Lo! those who call thee from behind the private apartments, most of them have no sense.
[Yusufali 49:4] Those who shout out to thee from without the inner apartments - most of them lack understanding


So when you may call Ambiya as Bashar then why can’t you say anything about Sahaba!


[FONT=Quranic_Font]Category 2: Ambiya has called themselves Bashar but it is interesting to note at “Sulah e Hudabiya”, Rasool Allah even agreed to sign treaty as Muhammad Bin Abdullah not as Rasool Allah:[/FONT]


[FONT=Quranic_Font]Sahi Muslim, Book 19, Chapter 33, Number 4401[/FONT]


It has been narrated on the authority of al-Bara' b. 'Azib who said: 'Ali b. Abu Talib penned the treaty between the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) and the polytheists on the Day of Hudaibiya. He wrote: This is what Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah, has settled. They (the polytheists) said: Do not write words "the Messenger of Allah". If we knew that you were the Messenger of Allah, we would not fight against you. The Prophet (may peace be upon him) said to 'Ali: Strike out these words. He (Ali) said: I am not going to strike them out. So the Prophet (may peace be upon him) struck them out with his own hand. The narrator said that the conditions upon which the two sides had agreed included that the Muslims would enter Mecca (next year) and would stay there
for three days, and that they would not enter bearing arms except in their sheaths or bolsters.

[FONT=Quranic_Font]While dealing with Non-believers, Rasool Allah even agreed to accept as if he is not Rasool so would you also accept his decision and declare him not a Rasool![/FONT]​

[FONT=Quranic_Font]Category 3: Non-believers has called Ambiya as not only Bashar but also Like them![/FONT]


[FONT=Quranic_Font]I am afraid only one category is left to call Ambiya as Bashar Like Them and if you want to fit in that, choice is yours![/FONT]


[FONT=Quranic_Font]Now one might think when Ambiya are Bashar then why don’t you call them Bashar![/FONT]


[FONT=Quranic_Font]I am quoting one “Rubae” here to make you understand of fact that expression of some realities is not appropriate and even sometimes such expression leads to “Kufr”. [/FONT]


[FONT=Quranic_Font]Itna Na Akar, Itna Na Jazbaat Main Rah[/FONT]
[FONT=Quranic_Font]Had Say Na Guzar, Dair e Zaat Main Rah[/FONT]


[FONT=Quranic_Font]Aik Qatra e Na Pak Nasab Hai Tera!!!!![/FONT]
[FONT=Quranic_Font]Aukat Yahi Hai Teri, Apni Aukat Main Rah[/FONT]


[FONT=Quranic_Font]Now “Qatra e Na Pak Nasab Hai Tera” is Reality but do you propagate this reality or would you like if someone introduces you as YOURS NASAB IS QATRA E NA PAK.[/FONT]


[FONT=Quranic_Font]Think![/FONT]


[FONT=Quranic_Font]We are Muslims, We are Not Allah that we may enjoy Authority to call Ambiya as Bashar![/FONT]


[FONT=Quranic_Font]We are Muslims, We are Not Nabi that we may call other ones to be Bashar Like Them![/FONT]


[FONT=Quranic_Font]We are Muslims, We are Not “Kuffarr” who kept on repeating Ambiya are Bashar Like Them![/FONT]

Dear truth seeker, I am affraid I am having difficulty understanding your point. As I explained ambiya are insaan, children of adam ie humans.

The argument with kufaar is that they think that it is strange that a human can receive revelation from god. This is why they are saying that you look like us in every way yet you claim to be a prophet. This does not mean calling prophets insaan is wrong. It is not accepting them prophets that is wrong ie allah is challenging their logical basis for rejecting his revelation and its reception by the prophets.

You can see that from verses where allah says that even if we sent angels they will still be in human forms ie see story of lot that angels came down in human forms and people took then as humans. Likewise allah says the prophet do not get revelation rather allah sends it to them ie people are people but it is upto allah to choose who fits his job description.

You cannot call prophets anythingt but humans and best of human beings at that. There is nothing better than humans in creation of allah and likewise nothing is worse than humans if you ask me. Only humans can do what we see them doing.

So please explain your point that you really want to want for our understanding rather than quoting verses on their own.

I get the impresion that you are not happy with prophets being called bashar or insaan, which they are but they are good human beings. Their closeness to allah is based on them being good as the quran states in 49/13.

A teacher must be respected by his students for better atmosphere of learning environment and a prophet is a teacher for his followers 49/1-4. They should not address him as they talk to each other. All members in an organisation have a job to do in their own capacity and so they should stick to it. The job of a prophet is obvious and so is therefore the job of his followers.

Prophet is called a master not in sense that followers are his slaves but that he is a teacher. There is no master slave relationship in islam. Even the kufaar who were captured in wars were finally released but they were not kept for sake of slavery rather it was a way of preventing them from doing same thing to muslims again. When one attacks you to kill or destroy you or damage you then that person deserves no mercy. If one still gives such a person his life back then that is merely out of one's kindness. This is why kufaars who embraced islam were freed and the rest were handed back to their own kind either freely or for a ransom. Even if a muslim kills a muslim ranson is in form of blood money or compensation. There is no discrimination in islam on basis of one's beliefs. In fact there are reports that the prophet said these poeple are your brothers so treat them same as yourselves ie give them same food and clothes etc.

Islam teaches us to respect each other and not use names even to laught at each other, see surah 49. So if we must respect each other why not the prophets? We do respect our parents and elders so why not the prophets? This is simply good mannerism not slavery or anything.

Just because we respect our elders out of mannerism does not mean they are not human beings. So there is nothing to negate humanity of prophets in the quran as far as I understand it.

So if we agree on this then discussion is over and we are united.

regards and all the best.

 

[Abdul Allah]

Mughal1

problem arise when some one said Prophets are Bashar like us. and main motive behind this saying MOST OF THE TIME is that they are powerless

Prophets are bashar yes
But are they bashar like us NO.

 

[Mughal1]

Dear friends, thank you very much for giving me opportunity to explain things in detail.

The definition of shirk.
Shirk can only and only have three forms a)shirk fizzaat , b)shirk fissifaat and c)shirk fil afaal.
When more than one thing is believed to be of the same category then that is shirk fizzaat. For example, we people are humans ie we belong to this category of creatures. Likewise sheep belong to sheep category and chickens to the category of chickens.
In this sense of classification allah in islamic theology is unique ie there is no other like unto him. So in god category allah is alone.
Anyone who claims to be a muslim cannot be a mushrik in this sense of the definition at all because one does not believe in more than one god and that god is the one who revealed the quran known by his proper noun allah.

Shirk fissifaat. Sifaat are properties of a being or a thing that are attributed to it or it has. In other words sifaat of things are expressed by various adjectives. In case of allah he is al awwal and al aakhir etc etc. Since allah has no beginning or end therefore his properties also are free of bounds. They are essence of god. All properties of allah are permanent and ever lasting.
Again no muslim worth the name attributes any of the divine properties to anyone other than allah.

Shirk fil afaal. The point again is that allah does whatever he does the way it suites his divinity. His ways of doing things are different from his creatures.
In shot allah is unique in his being, he is unique in his sifaat and unique in his actions.
When one believes in allah this way then there is none who could categorise any such muslim a mushrik. If one does then one is obviously wrong.

So a mushrik is one who believes in another god or other gods also besides allah. For example, pagans or polytheists of makkah used to believe in 360 gods whose idols they placed in kaba. Word poly means multiple and theo means god and ist denotes the followers or believers of an ideology or a person or a thing eg theists ie believers in god.

This explanation should leave one in no doubt as regard who polytheist is and who is not a polytheist or mushrik.

This is why allah tells us that polytheists used to believe that angels are daughters of allah. Allah replies they are not my daughters but my creation. This allah tells us to deny their claim that things they worship as gods are actually gods. Allah says no they are not god like me rather they are creatures like youselves. This clearly tells us that allah also understood those polytheist why they worshipped idols and what the idols meant to them. This leaves no room for anyone to give such verses any other meanings. The christians claim jesus is god or son of god. Allah denies their this claim just like claim of pagans of makkah. Telling us in the quran that jesus is just one of the creatures of god and is not a god nor begotten son of god.

The quran is full of contradictory verses and one needs to be very careful not to take some verses and deny others eg allah commands muslims to kill kufaar and allah also commands muslims not to kill kufaar rather love them and respect them eg parents and relatives as such. If we only take one kind of verses then we deny the quran and prove it contradictory whereas the quran claims there are no contradictions in it 4/82. So the explanation is that in times when relatives attack you to kill you and take your things then you too are free to do the same to them but yet be careful not to go overboard in this phase of killing because they may come to their senses and become your brethren even in religion. Even when war is on if kufaar go for peace then you too go far peace is the order of god.

So conflicting verses must be explained by reasonable explanation that is already in the quran.

Likewise we have intercession verses and no intercession verses in the quran. What we need to do is to use the reason given in the quran and bring them together using the first rule of tafseer ie let quran interpret itself. The quran says intercession is not allowed for people who believe in other gods besides allah. However intercession is there for those who believe in allah as the only god. Such people are told to do things that take them near allah as well as visit those who are near allah because their intersession is acceptable for muslims according to their needs and capacity of the intercessor.

Here let us look at surah al munaafiqoon 63. Muslims are told to seek intercession of the prophet but some take it as a joke, ask yourselves who take this as a joke? You guessed it munafiqoon.

The other case is of abraham regarding his uncle azar. Ibrheem tries to intercede for him and allah stops him saying he does not deserve it because he is not giving up his shirk ie idol worship. Note here that allah does not stop ibraheem from intersession but becauye the person does not qualify for his intercession.

If we look at noah and his son's story the situation is same ie he tried to intercede on behalf of his son and allah stops him also, saying he is not a muslim ie he is a kafir and so does not deserve your help. The point to note here is also that noah interceded on behalf of his followers and allah granted him his wish. they were saved.

So if intercession is for right people for right reason then it is ok otherwise no ok.
There is no verse in the quran that does not fit this explanation of the quran. One should be able to see here a rule very clearly according to which all verse make perfect sense. If we now take the idea that anyone is a polytheist who seeks intercession then one is also calling the prophets polytheists because they are interceding on behalf of their people. Can the prophets be polytheits? Obviously not, especially when they have allah's own backing on this.

Yet other point is the rule that anyone can be a polytheist just because one does something without believing so. Let say a muslim makes a sajda to an idol without believing it as a god or without believing the idol has any divine attributes, does this make him a mushrik? Obviusly not but if islam forbids something and he still does it then one is a sinner not a kafir unless one denies the clearly defined hurmat. For example, eating meat of a dead halaal animal is haraam but one says no it is not haraam and eats. If one eats it but believes it is haraam then one is only a sinner for going against law of islam.

Now let me try and explain the point in another way. Let us suppose that intercession is shirk, the question is on what basis? If the answer is the quran says so then the answer needs further qualification to ensure that it has been understood properly. This means we need to bring in verses that contradict this idea of shirk because they ok intercession. Not only that but the quran was revealed to a people who already spoke that language and understood things in a certain way so if the quran did not go by existing rules and definitions then it would be very easy for those people to deny it as word of god. This means shirk cannot be redefined but we must use the same definition that the quran contains ie that polytheists believed in other gods along side allah and that is how they worshipped them and that is what allah condemned by way of the quran. Any other definition of shirk is simply not possible because then the quran becomes senseless due to contradictions.

I hope this goes a long way toward helping understand the quran properly.

[FONT=&quot]regards and all the best.[/FONT]

 

[Mughal1]

Mughal1

problem arise when some one said Prophets are Bashar like us. and main motive behind this saying MOST OF THE TIME is that they are powerless

Prophets are bashar yes
But are they bashar like us NO.

Thank you Abdul Allah Bhai for your point. It is true that people are people and therefore weak as compared to divine purposes but when allah sends some one as his agent then that is a whole together a differeent ball game. Because anyone slaps the face of his agents is in a very, very big trouble that is beyond imagination. The strength is not in the agent but the one who sent him if you could see what I mean.

Let me give you an example, the usa sends its agents to pakistan and some of our leaders start pissing in their pants. I think I do not need to say more.

So those who become aware of facts like these they are bound to give due respect and support to allah's agents. In fact allah tells us if you love me follow my prophet by suporting him and allah will love you too. So it is up to allah to deal with people and things and he has his own ways of doing things as the quran clearly tells us. This is why stories of the past people are told in the quran.

005.067 YUSUFALI: O Messenger! proclaim the (message) which hath been sent to thee from thy Lord. If thou didst not, thou wouldst not have fulfilled and proclaimed His mission. And Allah will defend thee from men (who mean mischief). For Allah guideth not those who reject Faith.

058.021 YUSUFALI: Allah has decreed: "It is I and My messengers who must prevail": For Allah is One full of strength, able to enforce His Will.

regards and all the best.

 

[6sman]

Salam!

To say the whole creation is ghulam (subservient) to Allaah's Messengerﷺ is quite an over-statement, in fact, sheer extravagance. Allaah Ta`aala states: Do you not see that Allah is He, Whom obeys whoever is in the heavens and whoever is in the earth, and the sun and the moon and the stars, and the mountains and the trees, and the animals and many of the people; and many there are against whom chastisement has become necessary; and whomsoever Allah abases, there is none who can make him honorable; surely Allah does what He pleases. [Al-Qur'an, 22:18] And there are numerous ayaat to this effect which demonstrate that none accompany the Lord in His Sovereignty and Power over regulatory affairs of the universe إِنَّ الْأَمْرَ كُلَّهُ لِلَّهِ, particularly when such matters pertain to the non-physical world or the realm of the super-natural. In such cases even Prophets are told: Not for thee (O Prophetﷺ), (but for Allah), is the decision: Whether He turn in mercy to them, or punish them; for they are indeed wrong-doers. [Al-Qur'an, 3:128] Many a times, we use excessive and extravagant words to highlight the Prophet'sﷺ significance and status, however, actual reverence to the Prophetﷺ lays in not over-stating with regards to his being as Christians did with Jesusؑ the Christ. The Prophetﷺ spoke of himself as a slave among the slaves of Allaah Ta`aala, and that is where his real ascension lays.

Albeit to say 'ka'inat ki har shay, Ghulam e Rasool (S.a.w) Hay' is in-valid, a more correct and suitable description would be that 'Each man is subordinate (ghulam) to the Prophetﷺ with respect to his law (sharee`ah) and mannerism (akhlaq)', and no other way or means (waseelah) is acceptable unto Allaah Ta`aala except the way of His Belovedﷺ Allaah Ta`aala states: قُلْ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ تُحِبُّونَ اللَّهَ فَاتَّبِعُونِي يُحْبِبْكُمُ اللَّهُ وَيَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ ذُنُوبَكُمْ وَاللَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ

I hope this explains the difference between types of servant-hood, inasmuch as, general servitude (ghulamiyat غُلامیت) is right only due to Allaah Ta`aala, whereas, specific subordination (ghulamiyat) concerning laws and regulations, rights and limits, involves agency of a Prophetؑ and that too is regarded servitude towards Allaah Ta`aala, and not that Prophetؑ.

And may Allaah Ta`aala accept from us!

 

[babadeena]

The thread's real topic has been intentionally or unintentionally derailed or sidetracked. The post No.1 of this
thread is 'FULL OF SHIRK and LAGOO". Perhaps many will be shy to say it openly but I say it and say it
loudly and clear: The people intoxicated in the so-called "Hub-e-Rasool" cross every limit:

a) Our Prophet(PBUH) was a human being, and all human beings are the "Ghulam" of Allah(SWT).
b) No where in the Divine Book, our Prophet(PBUH) has been awarded the title "MOULA", this is
the exclusive attribute of Allah(SWT). Calling anyone "Moula" or "Moulana" is against the
quranic teaching and tantamounts to Shrik;
c) Our Prophet(pbuh), did not know what the Book is or what the "Faith"(Eeman" is, he was
instructed by Allah(SWT);

Therefore, I say it LOUD N CLEAR that Post is full of Shrik, self-invented and contrary
to Quranic principles.

 

[babadeena]

Dear friends, thank you very much for giving me opportunity to explain things in detail.

The definition of shirk.
Shirk can only and only have three forms a)shirk fizzaat , b)shirk fissifaat and c)shirk fil afaal.
When more than one thing is believed to be of the same category then that is shirk fizzaat. For example, we people are humans ie we belong to this category of creatures. Likewise sheep belong to sheep category and chickens to the category of chickens.
In this sense of classification allah in islamic theology is unique ie there is no other like unto him. So in god category allah is alone.
Anyone who claims to be a muslim cannot be a mushrik in this sense of the definition at all because one does not believe in more than one god and that god is the one who revealed the quran known by his proper noun allah.

Shirk fissifaat. Sifaat are properties of a being or a thing that are attributed to it or it has. In other words sifaat of things are expressed by various adjectives. In case of allah he is al awwal and al aakhir etc etc. Since allah has no beginning or end therefore his properties also are free of bounds. They are essence of god. All properties of allah are permanent and ever lasting.
Again no muslim worth the name attributes any of the divine properties to anyone other than allah.

Shirk fil afaal. The point again is that allah does whatever he does the way it suites his divinity. His ways of doing things are different from his creatures.
In shot allah is unique in his being, he is unique in his sifaat and unique in his actions.
When one believes in allah this way then there is none who could categorise any such muslim a mushrik. If one does then one is obviously wrong.

So a mushrik is one who believes in another god or other gods also besides allah. For example, pagans or polytheists of makkah used to believe in 360 gods whose idols they placed in kaba. Word poly means multiple and theo means god and ist denotes the followers or believers of an ideology or a person or a thing eg theists ie believers in god.

This explanation should leave one in no doubt as regard who polytheist is and who is not a polytheist or mushrik.

This is why allah tells us that polytheists used to believe that angels are daughters of allah. Allah replies they are not my daughters but my creation. This allah tells us to deny their claim that things they worship as gods are actually gods. Allah says no they are not god like me rather they are creatures like youselves. This clearly tells us that allah also understood those polytheist why they worshipped idols and what the idols meant to them. This leaves no room for anyone to give such verses any other meanings. The christians claim jesus is god or son of god. Allah denies their this claim just like claim of pagans of makkah. Telling us in the quran that jesus is just one of the creatures of god and is not a god nor begotten son of god.

The quran is full of contradictory verses and one needs to be very careful not to take some verses and deny others eg allah commands muslims to kill kufaar and allah also commands muslims not to kill kufaar rather love them and respect them eg parents and relatives as such. If we only take one kind of verses then we deny the quran and prove it contradictory whereas the quran claims there are no contradictions in it 4/82. So the explanation is that in times when relatives attack you to kill you and take your things then you too are free to do the same to them but yet be careful not to go overboard in this phase of killing because they may come to their senses and become your brethren even in religion. Even when war is on if kufaar go for peace then you too go far peace is the order of god.

So conflicting verses must be explained by reasonable explanation that is already in the quran.

Likewise we have intercession verses and no intercession verses in the quran. What we need to do is to use the reason given in the quran and bring them together using the first rule of tafseer ie let quran interpret itself. The quran says intercession is not allowed for people who believe in other gods besides allah. However intercession is there for those who believe in allah as the only god. Such people are told to do things that take them near allah as well as visit those who are near allah because their intersession is acceptable for muslims according to their needs and capacity of the intercessor.

Here let us look at surah al munaafiqoon 63. Muslims are told to seek intercession of the prophet but some take it as a joke, ask yourselves who take this as a joke? You guessed it munafiqoon.

The other case is of abraham regarding his uncle azar. Ibrheem tries to intercede for him and allah stops him saying he does not deserve it because he is not giving up his shirk ie idol worship. Note here that allah does not stop ibraheem from intersession but becauye the person does not qualify for his intercession.

If we look at noah and his son's story the situation is same ie he tried to intercede on behalf of his son and allah stops him also, saying he is not a muslim ie he is a kafir and so does not deserve your help. The point to note here is also that noah interceded on behalf of his followers and allah granted him his wish. they were saved.

So if intercession is for right people for right reason then it is ok otherwise no ok.
There is no verse in the quran that does not fit this explanation of the quran. One should be able to see here a rule very clearly according to which all verse make perfect sense. If we now take the idea that anyone is a polytheist who seeks intercession then one is also calling the prophets polytheists because they are interceding on behalf of their people. Can the prophets be polytheits? Obviously not, especially when they have allah's own backing on this.

Yet other point is the rule that anyone can be a polytheist just because one does something without believing so. Let say a muslim makes a sajda to an idol without believing it as a god or without believing the idol has any divine attributes, does this make him a mushrik? Obviusly not but if islam forbids something and he still does it then one is a sinner not a kafir unless one denies the clearly defined hurmat. For example, eating meat of a dead halaal animal is haraam but one says no it is not haraam and eats. If one eats it but believes it is haraam then one is only a sinner for going against law of islam.

Now let me try and explain the point in another way. Let us suppose that intercession is shirk, the question is on what basis? If the answer is the quran says so then the answer needs further qualification to ensure that it has been understood properly. This means we need to bring in verses that contradict this idea of shirk because they ok intercession. Not only that but the quran was revealed to a people who already spoke that language and understood things in a certain way so if the quran did not go by existing rules and definitions then it would be very easy for those people to deny it as word of god. This means shirk cannot be redefined but we must use the same definition that the quran contains ie that polytheists believed in other gods along side allah and that is how they worshipped them and that is what allah condemned by way of the quran. Any other definition of shirk is simply not possible because then the quran becomes senseless due to contradictions.

I hope this goes a long way toward helping understand the quran properly.

[FONT=&quot]regards and all the best.[/FONT]

Your post is a bit lengthy and very difficult to cover in one post. I advise you to open a separate topic, if
u so wish, on SHIRK, but let me point out few things:
Your theory that a "Anyone who claims to be a muslim cannot be a mushrik in this sense of ...." is totally
against the Quranic teachings. Quran clearly states that " Many believe in Allah, but at the same time they
are commit Shirk", I can give you readily verse:
http://www.quraneasyurdu.net/ps13/ch13g.html#106
وَمَا يُؤْمِنُ أَكْثَرُهُمْ بِاللَّهِ إِلَّا وَهُمْ مُشْرِكُونَ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{106**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 12:106] And most of them believe not in Allah except that they attribute partners (unto Him).
I think your post's main theme died its natural death with above verse, dear!!!
Calling anyone except Allah, Calling anyone with Allah is Shirk and this "state of mind or habit" is
perpetual in human beings and will remain till the end of this universe, restricting it with only
"that time of People" is great injustice.

Can you please point only two verses from quran which you claim to be "contradictory" Perhaps for
me or I can take them as "COMPLIMENTARY" OR "EXPLANATORY".

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[babadeena]

First of All link is not correct you missed L in html.

second So only Allah is "Maula"???
If you take Maula as normally we Urdu speaking people take means as Rab then yes.
But if Maula as it meanings such as Protector,Helper, Wali etc...
then No
Sura 5

إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلوةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَوةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ - وَمَن يَتَوَلَّ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَالَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ فَإِنَّ حِزْبَ اللَّهِ هُمُ الْغَـلِبُونَ

(55. Verily, your Protector is Allah, His Messenger, and the believers, those who perform the Salah, and give Zakah, and they bow down.) (56. And whosoever takes Allah, His Messenger, and those who have believed, as protectors, then the party of Allah will be the victorious.)

إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلَاةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{55**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 5:55] Only Allah is your Vali and His Messenger and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 5:55] Your guardian can be only Allah; and His messenger and those who believe, who establish worship and pay the poordue, and bow down (in prayer).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 5:55] Your (real) friends are (no less than) Allah, His Messenger, and the (fellowship of) believers,- those who establish regular prayers and regular charity, and they bow down humbly (in worship).

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][Shakir 5:56] And whoever takes Allah and His messenger and those who believe for a guardian, then surely the party of Allah are they that shall be triumphant.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 5:56] And whoso taketh Allah and His messenger and those who believe for guardian (will know that), lo! the party of Allah, they are the victorious.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 5:56] As to those who turn (for friendship) to Allah, His Messenger, and the (fellowship of) believers,- it is the fellowship of Allah that must certainly triumph.
The verses are talking about "Friendship" or "Friends", Moula and Vali are two different things:
http://www.quraneasyurdu.net/l00039/wali/p.html

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[Mughal1]

Your post is a bit lengthy and very difficult to cover in one post. I advise you to open a separate topic, if
u so wish, on SHIRK, but let me point out few things:
Your theory that a "Anyone who claims to be a muslim cannot be a mushrik in this sense of ...." is totally
against the Quranic teachings. Quran clearly states that " Many believe in Allah, but at the same time they
are commit Shirk", I can give you readily verse:
http://www.quraneasyurdu.net/ps13/ch13g.html#106
وَمَا يُؤْمِنُ أَكْثَرُهُمْ بِاللَّهِ إِلَّا وَهُمْ مُشْرِكُونَ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{106**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 12:106] And most of them believe not in Allah except that they attribute partners (unto Him).
I think your post's main theme died its natural death with above verse, dear!!!
Calling anyone except Allah, Calling anyone with Allah is Shirk and this "state of mind or habit" is
perpetual in human beings and will remain till the end of this universe, restricting it with only
"that time of People" is great injustice.

Can you please point only two verses from quran which you claim to be "contradictory" Perhaps for
me or I can take them as "COMPLIMENTARY" OR "EXPLANATORY".

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Thank you babadeena but I rather have you define shirk according to some sort of sensible rule because without some sort of rule verses cannot be interpreted properly.

As you have stated that 12/106 is about shirk, which it is but your defintion is different from mine if I understand you correctly eg you seem to be saying that if you call the name of anyone with name of allah then it is shirk regardless of capacity in which the names may differ eg saying yaa allah and yaa muhammad according to your understanding of the quran is shirk regardless who is allah and who is muhamamd. I am of the view that it is not shirk because to me allah is a god and muhamamd is a prophet. However, as you come across, just taking two names together is shirk as per your understanding of the quran.

I am finding your defintion in that case very confusing and would therefore request that you define what shirk means as clearly as you can. So that I could try and understand your stand point as regard shirk.

To me verse 12/106 is clear that word mushrikoon implies that allah is talking about those who believe in shirk ie polytheist not those who do not beleieve in shirk. Word mushrikoon like word mominoon or muslimmoon etc is pointing to what the people already believe. It is not mere act of calling anyone but calling on some one according to capacity in which some one is believing in some one or something. Muslims call on allah as their god and on the prophet as their prophet not god. If we do not make such distinction between names being called then regardless who calls and whoever one will be committing shirk and that includes allah himself. Can we therefore see the absurdity of this kind of definiton of shirk? One cannot even call upon one's father or mother or brother in that case without committing shirk.

So to me it is very important that we are clear about what shilrk actually is. So please think about it rather than reading verses independently and the words in them independently. As far as I can think, just calling some one cannot be shirk there has to be some belief about the one you are calling that decides whether you are calling one as a god or something else. Word already have defintions and connotations.

regards and all the best.

 

[Mughal1]

إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلَاةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{55**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 5:55] Only Allah is your Vali and His Messenger and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 5:55] Your guardian can be only Allah; and His messenger and those who believe, who establish worship and pay the poordue, and bow down (in prayer).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 5:55] Your (real) friends are (no less than) Allah, His Messenger, and the (fellowship of) believers,- those who establish regular prayers and regular charity, and they bow down humbly (in worship).

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][Shakir 5:56] And whoever takes Allah and His messenger and those who believe for a guardian, then surely the party of Allah are they that shall be triumphant.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 5:56] And whoso taketh Allah and His messenger and those who believe for guardian (will know that), lo! the party of Allah, they are the victorious.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 5:56] As to those who turn (for friendship) to Allah, His Messenger, and the (fellowship of) believers,- it is the fellowship of Allah that must certainly triumph.
The verses are talking about "Friendship" or "Friends", Moula and Vali are two different things:
http://www.quraneasyurdu.net/l00039/wali/p.html

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It seems we are making the same mistake here as well by not distinguishing the words by their defintions and connotations. Each is mawla in his own capacity in his own way. There is no shirk in here either. When jesus asks his folowers who is going to be my helper they replied we are helpers of allah. Does allah condemn them as mushrik for saying so, stoping them from this shirk? No, instead allah is telling us this with pride.

One cannot define shirk from the quranic verses alone rather quran is here to tell people not to believe in polytheism as already exists and as people already know what poytheism is eg sun god, moon god, star gods, angel godesses etc etc. Pharaoh said I am god and the guy who opposed ibraheem also said I am god.

A muslim therefore is not a mushrik and if a one is a mushrik then one is not a muslim and a mushrik is a polytheist ie the one who believes in plurality of godhead ie the one who believes in multiple gods.

 

[babadeena]

@Mughal1,
I would like to keep this thread on topic, i.e. mine posts 22, 34, if you wish to discuss them with
reference to the original post No.1.

Rest your and mine definition of shirk are absolutely different. If you wish to discuss exclusively
about "Shirk" or "the contradictory quranic verses, which are according to you", please make another
threads, I will inshallah participate, but I wish to keep the discussion, as per my usual habit, to the
point and on thread only.

 

[Abdul Allah]

إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلَاةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{55**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 5:55] Only Allah is your Vali and His Messenger and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 5:55] Your guardian can be only Allah; and His messenger and those who believe, who establish worship and pay the poordue, and bow down (in prayer).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 5:55] Your (real) friends are (no less than) Allah, His Messenger, and the (fellowship of) believers,- those who establish regular prayers and regular charity, and they bow down humbly (in worship).

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][Shakir 5:56] And whoever takes Allah and His messenger and those who believe for a guardian, then surely the party of Allah are they that shall be triumphant.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 5:56] And whoso taketh Allah and His messenger and those who believe for guardian (will know that), lo! the party of Allah, they are the victorious.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 5:56] As to those who turn (for friendship) to Allah, His Messenger, and the (fellowship of) believers,- it is the fellowship of Allah that must certainly triumph.
The verses are talking about "Friendship" or "Friends", Moula and Vali are two different things:
http://www.quraneasyurdu.net/l00039/wali/p.html

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I think you should define what Maula means
Translate word Maula from Arabic To Urdu/English with all its meanings not only one.

any i will repeat if talking about Maula as rab then only Allah is Maula.

any thing else.