Modified Version of Qawali
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itsnotme90
Minister (2k+ posts)
yeh kia islam k sath mazaq hai. agar yeh gana goro nay sun lia to night club main chala daingay punjabi bhangra samajh k. Allah maaf karay mujhay.
angryoldman
Minister (2k+ posts)
yeh qawaalon ka shah rukh hai.is ky bas main nahi tha werna break dance kerta.stage thora kamzor tha werna is ny bhangra bi daalna tha.kary ga yeh aur bhary gy kai.
famamdani
Minister (2k+ posts)
'IMRAN IBN HUSAYN SAID: 'THE PROPHET (AS) SAID, 'SOME PEOPLE OFTHIS UMMAH WILL BE SWALLOWED BY THE EARTH, TRANSFORMED INTO ANIMALS, AND SOME WILL BE BOMBARDED WITH STONES'. ONE OF THE MUSLIMS ASKED, WHEN WILL THAT BE O MESSENGER Of ALLAH?' HE SAID, 'WHEN SINGERS AND MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS WILL BECOME POPULAR, AND MUCH WINE IS DRUNK.'' [FONT="]
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sharam tumhain nhi atee jali ko chomney me tum logo ko kia takleef he shayad tumharee taraf chumney ka rivaaj nhi hoga kattey ho gey
Pak-MUSLIM
Voter (50+ posts)
Samar bhai,
Jaali chumney ke baare mein tau main nahi keh sakta ke sahi hai yan ghalat, Mere pass itna knowledge nahi hai.
Lekin yeh jo music ke sath parh raha hai yeh haram hai.
Kiyunke music ISLAM mein totally mana hai, aur phir Religion ko music ke sath shamil karna to bilkuk hi ghalat hai...........WOHI HINDUOUN WALI RIWAYAT HUM SUB ABHI TAK CHOR NAHI SAKE...........:jazak:
Jaali chumney ke baare mein tau main nahi keh sakta ke sahi hai yan ghalat, Mere pass itna knowledge nahi hai.
Lekin yeh jo music ke sath parh raha hai yeh haram hai.
Kiyunke music ISLAM mein totally mana hai, aur phir Religion ko music ke sath shamil karna to bilkuk hi ghalat hai...........WOHI HINDUOUN WALI RIWAYAT HUM SUB ABHI TAK CHOR NAHI SAKE...........:jazak:
Dear muslim brothers and sisters, please do not call everything kufar and shirk, the verses some of you think are about muslims are about idols as I have explained very clearly.
I invite all to think this point over very carefully. Likewise do not call everything halaal and haraam, there are set rules in shriah for what is halaal and why and what is haraam and why.
I have explained more of these things by rules and principles so that if anyone has any problems, one could see things for themselves. As I explained already, it is vitally important to learn rules and principles for understanding the quran properly that was my reason for large posts. It is like you know how to solve mathematical problems once you know the rules relating maths. The whole maths book is useless for people who do not know the rules of maths even if they can read and write very nicely. The same is true about the quran, it is useless for people who fail to get benefits out of it by failing to understand it properly. In fact this is what sawaab means ie the benefit. The quran is book of clear guidance not just guidance. It is a book that cannot be disputed about as to what it stands for. The only reason it cannot be disputed is because it follows set and commonly accepted rules, principles and patterns.
Your interpretations of it are clearly wrong if they cause contradictions within the quranic text because they oppose the quranic context. This is not my rule or for that matter yours, it is derived from the verse 4/82. If you do not accept this rule then you are proving that there are many contradcitons in the quran and it is therefore not word of allah. Because the quran is clear that if this quran was from other than allah then it ought to be full of contradcitions. So the only proper interpretation of the quran is that which does not cause contradictions within the quran.
For example, if mindoonillah according to some of you are prophets and saints then allah is clear that MINDOONILLAH are feul of hell fire. The quran is also clear that prophets and saints are destined for gardens of bliss. How do you remove these like contradicrtions from the quran? Likewise allah says there is none to intercede before him yet he also says except those who have his permission. All these like verses are clearly telling us when allah is talking about idols and when he is talking about porphets and saints. So keep the two things separate.
So please avoid causing divisions amongst muslims unadvertantly by willy nilly grounds and senseless definition of quranic beliefs. Islam is monotheism and monotheism is all about believing in one god or to explain to you just one thing as god, which is allah the creator of all things. Polytheism is not about believing in prophets and saints as such but believing anything as god not just a thing. Get this very clearly in your minds. You can do whatever you like with a piece of stone it does not make you a polytheist till you accept that this piece of stone is a god. Since no muslim accepts any thing other than allah as god to call anyone mushrik refelect very bad on yourselves. Just think about it for a second.
It is like you are a muslim and I keep telling you that you a kaafir, how does that reflect on me? It will only show my ignorance, would it not? Because who am I to tell you that you are not a muslim because you are this or that? Each peron has the right to define one's own beliefs. If onbe does not believe in multiple god then whatever else one does, does not make him a polytheist. An atheist is athesit because such a person does not believe in any god. Likewise a monotheists is a person who only believes in one god. And likewise a polytheist is defines by number of gods he believes in and not what he does or does not do with his or her gods or things. I am surprised that educated people are confused as regard this clear defintion of the quran and the common sense.
regards and all the best.
I invite all to think this point over very carefully. Likewise do not call everything halaal and haraam, there are set rules in shriah for what is halaal and why and what is haraam and why.
I have explained more of these things by rules and principles so that if anyone has any problems, one could see things for themselves. As I explained already, it is vitally important to learn rules and principles for understanding the quran properly that was my reason for large posts. It is like you know how to solve mathematical problems once you know the rules relating maths. The whole maths book is useless for people who do not know the rules of maths even if they can read and write very nicely. The same is true about the quran, it is useless for people who fail to get benefits out of it by failing to understand it properly. In fact this is what sawaab means ie the benefit. The quran is book of clear guidance not just guidance. It is a book that cannot be disputed about as to what it stands for. The only reason it cannot be disputed is because it follows set and commonly accepted rules, principles and patterns.
Your interpretations of it are clearly wrong if they cause contradictions within the quranic text because they oppose the quranic context. This is not my rule or for that matter yours, it is derived from the verse 4/82. If you do not accept this rule then you are proving that there are many contradcitons in the quran and it is therefore not word of allah. Because the quran is clear that if this quran was from other than allah then it ought to be full of contradcitions. So the only proper interpretation of the quran is that which does not cause contradictions within the quran.
For example, if mindoonillah according to some of you are prophets and saints then allah is clear that MINDOONILLAH are feul of hell fire. The quran is also clear that prophets and saints are destined for gardens of bliss. How do you remove these like contradicrtions from the quran? Likewise allah says there is none to intercede before him yet he also says except those who have his permission. All these like verses are clearly telling us when allah is talking about idols and when he is talking about porphets and saints. So keep the two things separate.
So please avoid causing divisions amongst muslims unadvertantly by willy nilly grounds and senseless definition of quranic beliefs. Islam is monotheism and monotheism is all about believing in one god or to explain to you just one thing as god, which is allah the creator of all things. Polytheism is not about believing in prophets and saints as such but believing anything as god not just a thing. Get this very clearly in your minds. You can do whatever you like with a piece of stone it does not make you a polytheist till you accept that this piece of stone is a god. Since no muslim accepts any thing other than allah as god to call anyone mushrik refelect very bad on yourselves. Just think about it for a second.
It is like you are a muslim and I keep telling you that you a kaafir, how does that reflect on me? It will only show my ignorance, would it not? Because who am I to tell you that you are not a muslim because you are this or that? Each peron has the right to define one's own beliefs. If onbe does not believe in multiple god then whatever else one does, does not make him a polytheist. An atheist is athesit because such a person does not believe in any god. Likewise a monotheists is a person who only believes in one god. And likewise a polytheist is defines by number of gods he believes in and not what he does or does not do with his or her gods or things. I am surprised that educated people are confused as regard this clear defintion of the quran and the common sense.
regards and all the best.
Pakistani1947
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Samar Bhai,
Please read the following hadith from Sahih Bukhari and then tell me what do you conclude from following Hadith.
Narrated 'Abis bin Rabia: 'Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "No doubt, I know that you are a Stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you." (Sahih Bukhari Book #26, Hadith #667)
Do you think Umer (RA) would ever kiss anything without ever seen Prophet Muhammad pbuh doing the same act?
Pakistani1947
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Kissing something with intention of getting blessing
Dear Mughal,
Please do not mix regular daily affairs which has nothing to do with barakah or blessing. For example if you kiss your child to show love and affection it is not SHIRK. But on the other hand if you kiss the hand or feet of your Peer NOT ONLY in love and affection, BUT with a believe of getting blessing or Barkah is SHIRK.
Now read the following Hadeeth agains Omer (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) kissed the black stone only because he (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) saw Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) kissing it. Do you think that a Sahabi-e-Rashul (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) of such caliber would even think of kissing anything else with the intention of getting blessing from that thing without seeing Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) doing the same act. This hadeeth shows how careful Sahabi-e-Rashul (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) were to avoid any involvement in SHIRK. While kissing, he (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) provided the reasoning to the people around that why is he kissing the black stone. The message is very clear that he wanted people to avoid kissing something as religious ritual, not done by Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم).
Narrated 'Abis bin Rabia: 'Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "No doubt, I know that you are a Stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you." (Sahih Bukhari Book #26, Hadith #667)
Actions which comes under the category of SHIRK are such as hanging up amulets (وہ چھوٹا سا زیور جو نظر بد سے بچنے کے لیے پہنا جاۓ) or wearing a talisman (تعویذ) or string to dispel or ward off calamity (مصیبت دور کرنے کے لیے دھاگہ باندھنا), because everyone who attribute powers to a thing when Allaah has not made it so either according to shareeah or according to the laws of the universe, has associated something with Allaah. This also applies to one who touches a thing seeking its barakah (blessing), when Allaah has not created any barakah in it, such as kissing the doors of the mosques, touching their thresholds, seeking healing from their dust, and other such actions.
Dear Mughal,
Please do not mix regular daily affairs which has nothing to do with barakah or blessing. For example if you kiss your child to show love and affection it is not SHIRK. But on the other hand if you kiss the hand or feet of your Peer NOT ONLY in love and affection, BUT with a believe of getting blessing or Barkah is SHIRK.
Now read the following Hadeeth agains Omer (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) kissed the black stone only because he (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) saw Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) kissing it. Do you think that a Sahabi-e-Rashul (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) of such caliber would even think of kissing anything else with the intention of getting blessing from that thing without seeing Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) doing the same act. This hadeeth shows how careful Sahabi-e-Rashul (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) were to avoid any involvement in SHIRK. While kissing, he (رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ) provided the reasoning to the people around that why is he kissing the black stone. The message is very clear that he wanted people to avoid kissing something as religious ritual, not done by Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم).
Narrated 'Abis bin Rabia: 'Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "No doubt, I know that you are a Stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you." (Sahih Bukhari Book #26, Hadith #667)
Actions which comes under the category of SHIRK are such as hanging up amulets (وہ چھوٹا سا زیور جو نظر بد سے بچنے کے لیے پہنا جاۓ) or wearing a talisman (تعویذ) or string to dispel or ward off calamity (مصیبت دور کرنے کے لیے دھاگہ باندھنا), because everyone who attribute powers to a thing when Allaah has not made it so either according to shareeah or according to the laws of the universe, has associated something with Allaah. This also applies to one who touches a thing seeking its barakah (blessing), when Allaah has not created any barakah in it, such as kissing the doors of the mosques, touching their thresholds, seeking healing from their dust, and other such actions.
