Dear pakistan first
Now you have started taking the whole debate out of context. I am claiming that Musharraf was an idiot and did more to harm than help Pakistan. You were claiming otherwise. I never ever said that I am a supporter of nawaz sharif but I do give credit where its due. My answers are in green
You people have double standards, if some thing published which is against your intentions, you said it is propaganda. Nawaz shareef is not a politician but business man and was promoted due to his son-father relation ship with Zia Ul Haq, I hope you will not deny this at least. He lost his 1st term also because of the conflict with Ishaq Khan / Waheed kaakid but he never learnt the lessons from his mistakes. During his 2nd tenure pakistan was under growing fiscal deficits and debt-service payments, led to a financial crisis. The Shareef government narrowly avoided defaulting on its international loans.
Pakistan has always been in financial difficulties and have always survived with the help of IMF so Nawaz Sharif can't be blamed for it. But his tenure saw much more progress than that of the great commando. No doubt Nawaz Sharif was a protege of Zia ul Haq but how does that change anything. He was the elected prime minister of Pakistan who came into power through votes.
regarding point # 4 (Only person in the world to suspend the constitution of a country two times)., I missed out unintentionally and also due to time constrains, any how since u insisted or may be u think it is the big crime here is my reply. Why not any body including PML(N) not challenge this crime in Courts? Bhai, his 1st action was justified by Supreme court( in the presence of Mr Chaudary) and later legalise through 17th ammendment with the help of Mr Qazi Hussain. 2nd action was again legalise at Supreme court but not yet approved in Parliament, so if you think, then please go ahead or at least some body should file the case against him and let him to face a trial. By only doing blaa blaa like Hamid Mir / Nawaz Shareef / Hameed Gul / Qazi Hussain Ahmed / Imran Khan nothing going to happen, angels will not come from the sky to file a case. The names I have mentioned have "Musharraf Fobia" and in every program they insist to hang Musharraf under article 6 but none of them come in front to submit a petition. It is now almost 9 months but not a single case has been filed only in talk shows these leaders wasting their energy. If u said it is due to NRO then bhai NRO is for Zardari not for other leaders.
I am all for it. The political parties should challenge the doings of Musharraf and I am sure in due course they will. And as you clearly pointed out, his 2nd term isn't yet legalized so its a hanging sword on his head. Which will fall very soon on his head. PPP wants to legalize his 2nd term but Nawaz Sharif is against it.
again brother, if it is unconstitutional then let political leaders except PPP & MQM to challenge it, in fact Mr Chaudary took the somoto action before but since his reactivation, he didnt proceed it, Why?????????. But personally I beleive it was the biggest mistake (not crime) Musharraf has done, NRO should not be introduced.
Its the first time that you actually accept the mistake of Musharaf. With your previous postings he was looking like an angel to me. I have mentioned the reason behind Justice Ifthikar not taking action, again and again.
Please correct your knowledge, do u have any idea who is running our Nucleasr program, yes you right it is Pakistan Army, in fact it is in record that Ms Bhutto / Nawaaz shareef considered to be risked to the program hence not permission to enter in Kahota. It was Pak Army who contiously insisted and wanted to test the weapons, Mr Shareef was as usual helpless as he was in Kargil. So credit should go to Army but as know in democratic system, every credit goes to PM.
That is one of the big problems. It should be the civilian govt making the rules, not the army. We have had enough of the army.
Please compare the frequency of drone attacks during Musharraf era or during so called democratic era and for God sake dont say it was started by Musharraf, Musharraf policy was bad that's why he lost the office now democratic government should adopt some different policy but again ground reality is that this government also continuing same policy adopted by Musharraf. As I mentioned earlier, we are in bad shape due to Afghanistan, other countries dont have a neighbour like afghanistan where NATO ( around 33 countries army is deployed ). Musharraf guts no doubt you can not imagine, we have to thank him that we break loan relationships with IMF in 2002 which now again resume through courtesy of Mr Zardari.
So If Musharraf didn't start it, then who?. Please enlighten me because the time that drone attacks started Musharraf was clearly the all in all of the country. If the govt is continuing his policies then they are doing wrong too. Two wrongs don't make one right. As per breaking the relationship with IMF, the economy doesn't just depend on tampered books. Everybody knows the economic situation of pakistan under Musharraf. We saw another first during his time and that was the queues of people waiting to buy ata.
U have asked me 2=3 times about my location, I am in North America and definitely not in fool paradise like my dear friend SOK. Long march?????? what a drama it was, it is in record that Shareef brothers forcely assigned duties of PML members to bring cars / peoples to join the long march. 1st long march do u remember the result?????? what happened at that time, nothing, beacuse it was a friendly long march. Now there were a lot of people but no body from common man , all are belong to some political party, see the flags in the long march. By saying all this, long march was a ground reality which got the result. The summary of restoration of judges is " 1 army cheif depose them and another army cheif restore them" I think u must know that at the end it was the dead line from Kiyani to correct things otherwise ready for the consequences and again so called "DEMOCRACY" acheive success. A lot of people have doubt whether CJ took brave steps or just blaa blaa, i think we have to wait and see.
Flags don't mean anything. That just means that that particular party is trying to cash on something. There were around half a million people in the march. I am sure not all of them could have been forced by Nawaz Sharif.
"1 army cheif depose them and another army cheif restore them".
That's the point of this debate. Army should be under civilian rule not the other way around.
Your point is very weak (like other points), why law enforcement should be reluctant? If people challenge the writ then government should go with full power. Why we gave pistols to police? they have all the rights to start firing if some try to escape / runaway / or start firing at them. You should not blame government but to the people who were inside the mosque at that time. Dear brother, it was not 1 day attack, as u know innocent people had enough time to come outside but u should think why they were inside, what the benifit they wanted to get??
The main duty of the government is to provide safety to the people. If they had acted as per the points in my previous posting, innocent blood could have been saved. The point I was trying to raise was that our Great Commando can only be successful against a handful of barricaded people. but when it comes to an army he runs with his tails between his legs.
Mr Musharraf is currently outside the country and I think right now he is in States and later he is due to deliver some lectures in Europe. Did he said , he is not coming back to Pakistan? Media always propogate, i think u must be remembered that GEO said 1 time that Musharraf is arrested by Army and 1 plane from Saudia is ready to take him to Saudia / next time again they said at the of resignation that 1 special plane is ready at Rawalpindi to take him immediately to Saudi Arab instead he got the guard of honour and since then freely going to karachi / lahore and abroad with dignity and pride.
You have to admit that whereever he went after resignation, he talked about Pakistan no ill statements, he is really a great leader and getting praised and state honour from countries like china / saudi arabia.
You are staying in America so that doesn't mean that you know all the news. This is the statement of our Great Commando today
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2009 ... f_ny.shtml
What's the use of getting honours from Saudi Arabia and china, when your own country men don't like you. Please read the book in my previous post and judge yourself.
