Over 5,000 Baloch to become part of army: Kayani / COAS intents to pull out troops from Sui

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Gazoo's Note: I welcome this move. An army should comprise of qualified individual from all parts of the country, not just from Punjab.

shabash general saheb. Now expand this to other provinces that do not have proper presentation in the forces.





Adapted from Dawn:


GWADAR: Army Chief General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani said on Monday that in the future no operation will take place in Balochistan without the permission of the provincial government, DawnNews reported.

During an address in Gwadar, Kayani said that efforts are being made to bring Balochistan into the national mainstream. In regards to this, he stated that 5,000 Baloch youth will become a part of the Pakistan army later this month.
The army chief also said that the Pakistan army plays a role in the countrys economic stability as well.


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gotti

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Re: Over 5,000 Baloch to become part of army: Kayani

I think it's less of a provincial issue and more of demographics. Punjabi people do not have links outside of the country except with India but those Punjabis are not Muslim.

Balochis have families across the border in Iran, Urdu-speaking Mohajirs have families in India and Pashtuns have tribal affiliations across the Durand line as well.

The question is, since Sindhis are in the same demographic situation as Punjabis, why aren't they represented in the army? The answer to that is the feudal system in Sindh.

Therefore, Punjabi people as a whole are bound to be more patriotic than other communities and that is why you see them over represented.

That doesn't mean this initiative wouldn't work, I am just trying to point out why the situation is the way it is.
 
Re: Over 5,000 Baloch to become part of army: Kayani

I think it's less of a provincial issue and more of demographics. Punjabi people do not have links outside of the country except with India but those Punjabis are not Muslim.

Balochis have families across the border in Iran, Urdu-speaking Mohajirs have families in India and Pashtuns have tribal affiliations across the Durand line as well.

The question is, since Sindhis are in the same demographic situation as Punjabis, why aren't they represented in the army? The answer to that is the feudal system in Sindh.

Therefore, Punjabi people as a whole are bound to be more patriotic than other communities and that is why you see them over represented.

That doesn't mean this initiative wouldn't work, I am just trying to point out why the situation is the way it is.
how many urdu speaking people have families in india? my mother and father left india after partition they never go back india so there is millions of urdu speaking they don't know that they have relative india if suppose not the cost of pakistan . i think brother your are trying to creating racism we have enough problem so please don't try to create more problem i hope you have no link with qadianis
 
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gotti

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Re: Over 5,000 Baloch to become part of army: Kayani

how many urdu speaking people have families in india? my mother and father left india after partition they never go back india so there is millions of urdu speaking they don't know that they have relative india if suppose not the cost of pakistan . i think brother your are trying to creating racism we have enough problem so please don't try to create more problem i hope you have no link with qadianis

I am not questioning anyone's loyalties. These are realities: almost 90% of the army is Punjabi while only 60% of the population of Pakistan is Punjabi. I did not contribute to these figures so I am not creating racism.

I agree that many don't go back to India but many still have families there as mine is still there. I am sure you know that there was Aslam Beg, Musharraf and other high ranking officers such as Akhtar Abdur Rahman and Muzaffar Usmani.

If you read above, I am glad about Kayani's initiative to bring other communities into the mainstream. Sindhis don't enlist in the armed forces whereas the "waderas" have thousands of men in their militias just as Balochi Sardars do.

Since you might be from Karachi, I am sure you will agree that MQM, MQM (H) have their own militias along with ANP and PPP. In KP, you know of the tribal militias. These armed men are not part of the military or security forces.

I am not the one creating problems, just rationalizing the ones being pointed out in the Dawn article that mentions ethnicity to begin with.
 

simple_and_peacefull

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
COAS intents to pull out troops from Sui

Updated at 1:17 PST Tuesday, April 19, 2011



RAWALPINDI: Chief of Army Staff (COAS) Ashfaq Parvez Kayani has reiterated that not even a single Army unit was conducting any operation in Balochistan.

The COAS also expressed his intent to pull out the troops presently stationed at Sui soon, after the responsibilities there are taken by Frontier Corps Balochistan.

COAS Ashfaq Parvez Kayani visited Military College Sui, Balochistan and attended opening ceremony of its first entry. The college was inaugurated on 3rd January 2011 to provide quality education particularly to the students of Dera Bugti District and Balochistan.

He appreciated establishment of the college in a record period and hoped that the college will soon join the ranks of top educational institutions of the Country.

Speaking to the elders and public representatives, he underscored the significance of National harmony for strong defence of the Country. Elaborating the concept of comprehensive security, he emphasized the vital requirement of unified national support to the armed forces, without which no force can fulfill the mission of defending a state / nation. He said that peoples support was real strength of the Army.

Earlier, he inaugurated Institute of Technology, established by Army with the investment of Balochistan Government, to provide technical education to the local youth in Gwadar.
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hans

Banned
Re: COAS intents to pull out troops from Sui

So it means all is quite and peaceful in Baluchistan for the next 24 Hours?
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
We need to bring these Balochi's into the mainstream and make them feel like an integral part of Pakistan which they are. It would be good to see more non-Punjabis join the army balancing ethnicities that will create greater harmony and a feeling of unity amongst all Pakistanis.
 

Muhammad Tauseef A. Bajwa

Senator (1k+ posts)
Kayani announces armys withdrawal from Sui

Kayani announces armys withdrawal from Sui

Dawn Report |



GWADAR / SUI, April 18: Chief of the Army Staff Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani announced on Monday transition of security responsibilities of the restive town of Sui in Dera Bugti district to Balochistans Frontier Corps over the next two months.

He said the army battalion posted in Sui would return to the Quetta cantonment and once the troops got out of the town there would be no more army presence in the province outside cantonments. He announced that no new cantonment would be established in Balochistan against the wishes of its people and the idea of building four other cantonments had also been dropped.

The army chief uncharacteristically spoke extempore on a number of occasions on the need for civilian law-enforcement agencies to put their act together, in an indication that the military was increasingly becoming distraught over their performance. His message was loud and clear that internal security was not militarys job alone and others stakeholders needed to play their part.

Gen Kayanis announcement appeared to be aimed at pacifying insurgents in the province. Baloch nationalists have been demanding for several years greater autonomy for their province, Baloch control over the resources of the province and end to military operations. They have also accused security forces and agencies of rights abuses. However, Gen Kayani did not touch any of these issues.

Speaking at a ceremony held to mark the launching of classes in the newly-established military college in Sui, he said: We have converted the Sui cantonment to a military college and dropped the idea of establishing four new military cantonments in Balochistan because people dont want these. New cantonments will be built only when the people of the province wish for.
Gen Kayani said the decision was aimed at making the people believe that being a national institution, the army respected their opinion.

Gen Kayani rejected a perception that the army was deployed in different parts of Balochistan and claimed that there was no presence of army in any part of the province, except for Sui (cantonment) and from there too troops would leave after the cantonment building was handed over to the college authorities in the next six months. He said that a separate wing of the Frontier Corps would replace the army units in Sui to protect installations. Gen Kayani made an impassioned plea to the civilian leadership and law-enforcement agencies to pull together with the military in its internal security job for a safe and secure Pakistan.

Dissatisfaction with LEAs poor handling of security situation had been brewing for quite some time within the army which has lost about 2,500 troops in counter-insurgency operations mostly in tribal areas. But it was probably the first time that the top commander publicly aired such sentiments. Over the past few months there was a growing talk among militarys top brass about LEAs eroding capacity and their politicisation. The army chief stressed the need for popular support for militarys actions throughout the country, terming it real strength for the army a clear sign that he was referring to public backing for anti-militancy operations in tribal areas where the army is battling Taliban insurgency.

An ISPR statement said Gen Kayani had emphasised the vital requirement of unified national support to the armed forces, without which no force can fulfil the mission of defending a state/nation. He said the Frontier Corps had nothing to do with army because it was directly controlled by the interior ministry and worked in aid of the civil administration like police and levies.

The army chief said the people of Balochistan should look upon the Frontier Corps as their own force, and not as outsiders, because it had been deployed for their own security. He asked the FC inspector general to work for gaining the confidence of people.

About the role of army in the development process, he said that being a national institution it was a partner of both federal and provincial governments and was playing an important role for the prosperity of the people of Balochistan.
The army chief also used his public appearance to warn against economic meltdown. He used the example of disintegration of USSR because of economic collapse to drive home the point that a country could not remain stable with a floundering economy no matter how strong its army was. Gen Kayani said it was crucial that steps were taken for putting the economic house in order.

Addressing the launching ceremony of Gwadar Institute of Technology, Gen Kayani said that 4,000 Baloch youths had joined the army after completing their training and another 5,000 would be recruited this year for which laws and standards relating to recruitment would be relaxed. He said that no military operation was being carried out in any area of the province.

He said that about 4,500 Baloch youths had completed their vocational courses at institutes being run under the supervision of the army, adding that another 3,600 youths would join such classes this year. He said the army would establish an Army Medical College, an Institute of Mineralogy and a Cardiac Treatment Centre in Quetta to equip the Baloch youths with higher education in relevant fields.

Gen Kayani expressed the hope that the Balochistan government would extend its cooperation to the army to improve natural mines and mineral resources of Dukki and Musakhail areas.