Quranist/ Parwezi glossary of religious terms.

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
By rejecting practical aspects of Islamic laws, rituals and practices you're reducing Islam to nothing. Only thing left to do for common muslims is to follow the man made secular laws. Be a hindu if you live in a hindu culture, be a christian if you live in a christian culture and be an atheist if you live in socialist/ communist culture.

Bravo 👋👋👋
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Your're indoctrinated to believe in rejecting Hadith
You mean being indoctrinated and brainwashed since I was a kid, first by my parents, then countless fridays spent in the masjid being indoctrinated by your moulvis by their khutbas, then countless hours spent watching more bhaand moulvis in the evening and reading and studying hadith. I spent more than 4 decades of being indoctrinated and brainwashed into being a good rozaydar namazi sunni boy.

We believe Hadith is a complementary text supporting Quran.
You can believe whatever you want but Quran is totally against any such thing.

I've been doing dawah in west to every possible religion/ sect you can think of for years and years
If that really is the case ( which I seriously doubt with the absolute lack of knowdeldge about even the most basic of things you have displayed here ) then I can only feel sorry for the poor souls who had to put up with your nonsense.

Hidayah comes from Allah alone
Yes absolutely, And I'm so grateful to the almighty to have shown me the sirat ul mustaqeem and taken me out of my mushrik sunni ways.

We never get disappointed if someone doesn't "get it"
Your constant crying and running away and making threads where you cry your eyes out just because you couldn't get a one up on me/us, say different.

Unlike you who's only goal is to convince it by hook or by crook
Again nothing but more lies and false allegations. You are the one who interjects himself into every thread and then starts crying later on.

Unlike you who's only goal is to convince it by hook or by crook or else start cursing thinking as if you've gotten some moral victory over another.
What you have described is the repsonse we get from 99.99% of your people. Eventually they all run away claiming some sort of unilateral victory and soon you will too.

My only thing in this forum is to tackle spread misguidance being spread to dejected young pakistani muslims.
There I fixed it for you
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Role of shaytan is to find fault in everything and have you choose something which is skeptical over something which is clear.
Yes, hadith is full of contraditicon, lies and ambiguity while the Quran is clear and detailed.
We meet people in dawah who bring faults with Quran too. Do I have to listen to all of them to logically convince them of their crooked inferences they bring in? No.
And no I know you are absolutely useless at the so called dawah you claim to do. Someone with knowldege can in a quick instant clear up any misunderstanding or false propaganda westerners or anyone else have about the Quran and Islam, from the Quran itself. Isn't the point to also "tackle misguidance" lol

What kind of idiotic "dawah" are you doing! No wonder people in the west are sick your type and in return Islam is getting a bad name. You probably idolize idiots like that ape thug Hijab and do corny shit dawah like he and Ali Dawah do in speakers corner! Hahahaga.

Thats what I said earlier, you can't even keep your story straight. And contradict yourself every few sentences lol One sencond you are tackling misguidance and another second you don't bother with it!
 

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
You mean being indoctrinated and brainwashed since I was a kid, first by my parents, then countless fridays spent in the masjid being indoctrinated by your moulvis by their khutbas, then countless hours spent watching more bhaand moulvis in the evening and reading and studying hadith. I spent more than 4 decades of being indoctrinated and brainwashed into being a good rozaydar namazi sunni boy.
Hidayah is not for everybody. Allah gives hidayah whoever he likes. We just make this dua to Allah
يَا مُقَلِّبَ الْقُلُوبِ ثَبِّتْ قَلْبِي عَلَى دِينِكَ

Unfortunately you can't make this dua coz its written in hadith.
You can believe whatever you want but Quran is totally against any such thing.
False claim.
If that really is the case ( which I seriously doubt with the absolute lack of knowdeldge about even the most basic of things you have displayed here ) then I can only feel sorry for the poor souls who had to put up with your nonsense.
Its not me, remember Allah alone guides. We just convey.
Yes absolutely, And I'm so grateful to the almighty to have shown me the sirat ul mustaqeem and taken me out of my mushrik sunni ways.
Non worshipping path to Allah?? You call it the right path that keeps you from submitting to Allah - our Creator?
Your constant crying and running away and making threads where you cry your eyes out just because you couldn't get a one up on me/us, say different.
You NEED others to conform, when I don't you run.
Again nothing but more lies and false allegations. You are the one who interjects himself into every thread and then starts crying later on.
I always will, coz your intention is to misguide others. I can't let you do it.
What you have described is the repsonse we get from 99.99% of your people. Eventually they all run away claiming some sort of unilateral victory and soon you will too.
You live in a fool's paradise, you don't know me.
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Bunch of lies.
Translation = Can't disprove a single one of facts mentioned so just call them lies.

Ok fast forward
Translation = Don't have the mental capacity to actually read and then refute any of the arguments so just gonna skip the whole thing.

No salah, no saum, no hajj, no zakah, no Islamic family laws?
And once again the record needle skips back mushrik rituals, because without your rituals your hadithist Islam doesn't exist, thats why you cling so hard to them. Because if you give up your useless rituals and hadith, you might actually have to start follow the actual Islam of the Quran which is hard work. So I rather just do my 5 daily yoga sessions like a robot and be done with it.
 

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
Translation = Can't disprove a single one of facts mentioned so just call them lies.
Facts? Parwezi ideology has no facts but mental gymnastics.
Translation = Don't have the mental capacity to actually read and then refute any of the arguments so just gonna skip the whole thing.
You fuel is prolonging the discussion misguidance. I'm not letting you have it. Keep burning Parwezi...
And once again the record needle skips back mushrik rituals, because without your rituals your hadithist Islam doesn't exist, thats why you cling so hard to them. Because if you give up your useless rituals and hadith, you might actually have to start follow the actual Islam of the Quran which is hard work. So I rather just do my 5 daily yoga sessions like a robot and be done with it.
Rituals is what all makes up Deen -e- Ibrahimi not only Islam, for all other past prophets too. Keep burning... Parwezi.
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
By rejecting practical aspects of Islamic laws, rituals and practices you're reducing Islam to nothing.
It is SO amazing that you people cannot apply your own logic to yourself. You have reduced and demeaned Islam to nothing but a bunch of few rituals. Do my daily yoga sessions, stay hungry for a month, just pay of some crumbs as charity to some NGO once a year and if I feel like it go for a yatra to a holyland and do some pagan rituals there also and comeback and I am good to go with a first class ticket to heaven.

I don't have to worry about lying, cheating, defrauding people, usurping wealth, disregarding orphans and widows, taking care of the weak, the sick and the poor, being kind to people, taking care of your surrounding, try to make society a better place for everyone, see that because of my being or actions it is not causing any stress or inconvience to anyone else, taking care of the enviroment and Gods creations so on and so forth. All that is very difficult and has to be done 24/7 so I choose just to do my daily yoga sessions instead which gives me the license to be a dispicable cretin for rest of the day.
 

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
It is SO amazing that you people cannot apply your own logic to yourself. You have reduced and demeaned Islam to nothing but a bunch of few rituals. Do my daily yoga sessions, stay hungry for a month, just pay of some crumbs as charity to some NGO once a year and if I feel like it go for a yatra to a holyland and do some pagan rituals there also and comeback and I am good to go with a first class ticket to heaven.

I don't have to worry about lying, cheating, defrauding people, usurping wealth, disregarding orphans and widows, taking care of the weak, the sick and the poor, being kind to people, taking care of your surrounding, try to make society a better place for everyone, see that because of my being or actions it is not causing any stress or inconvience to anyone else, taking care of the enviroment and Gods creations so on and so forth. All that is very difficult and has to be done 24/7 so I choose just to do my daily yoga sessions instead which gives me the license to be a dispicable cretin for rest of the day.
Got it, cutting to the chase. Saving you words... I very well know you mean no salah, no saum, no hajj, no zakah, no marriage, no zikr, no worship of Allah.

Happy? Way to go Parwezi!!
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Unfortunately you can't make this dua coz its written in hadith.
You can gatekeep as much as you want but I don't need mantras and incantations from your manmade books. I can ask for anything I want from Allah. Allah understands all languages and whats in everyone hearts for he is the all knowing and all seeing. So yeah keep your garbage books to yourself.

False claim.
Prove it. Just because you say so doesn't make it fact.

I'm not letting you have it. Keep burning Parwezi...
Record phir phas gaya! 😂

Rituals is what all makes up Deen -e- Ibrahimi
😂😂😂😂 Quite a tall and nonsensical claim. Prove it!

Where were these rituals mentioned, in the hadith of Prophet Ibrahim! lol
 

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
You can gatekeep as much as you want but I don't need mantras and incantations from your manmade books. I can ask for anything I want from Allah. Allah understands all languages and whats in everyone hearts for he is the all knowing and all seeing. So yeah keep your garbage books to yourself.
No thanks for clarifying. Parwezi Islam is very simple. No rituals, don't have to do anything and yet you're called a muslim.
Where were these rituals mentioned, in the hadith of Prophet Ibrahim! lol
You have this love hate relationship with word hadith, can't stop saying it over and over again 🤣 .
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
I very well know you mean no salah, no saum, no hajj, no zakah, no marriage, no zikr, no worship of Allah.
Sigh! 🙄You mushriks really can't help yourself from lying and making up false and baseless accusations now can you. To lie and cheat is in your DNA because with out it you cannot survive.

Show me one post of mine where I said there is no marriage, no zikr and no ibadah etc etc .

You schumucks think only your imaginary pooja paat is real Islam so if someone doesn't believe in your pooj paat then he doesn't believe in anything.

Grow up Emotional Mushrik Stop acting like a little girl.

And then you cry why I am treated like this.
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
No thanks for clarifying. Parwezi Islam is very simple. No rituals, don't have to do anything and yet you're called a muslim.

You have this love hate relationship with word hadith, can't stop saying it over and over again 🤣 .
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observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
Sigh! 🙄You mushriks really can't help yourself from lying and making up false and baseless accusations now can you. To lie and cheat is in your DNA because with out it you cannot survive.

Show me one post of mine where I said there is no marriage, no zikr and no ibadah etc etc .

You schumucks think only your imaginary pooja paat is real Islam so if someone doesn't believe in your pooj paat then he doesn't believe in anything.

Grow up Emotional Mushrik Stop acting like a little girl.

And then you cry why I am treated like this.
Parwezi Islam is so easy... no worries about rituals. Its even better than Christians claiming salvation is by faith alone not actions.

In Parwezi Islam even faith is not important, just deny everything and you're good.

Go Parwezi...
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Parwezi Islam is so easy... no worries about rituals. Its even better than Christians claiming salvation is by faith alone not actions.

In Parwezi Islam even faith is not important, just deny everything and you're good.

Go Parwezi...
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observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
I don't have to worry about lying, cheating, defrauding people, usurping wealth, disregarding orphans and widows, taking care of the weak, the sick and the poor, being kind to people, taking care of your surrounding, try to make society a better place for everyone, see that because of my being or actions it is not causing any stress or inconvience to anyone else, taking care of the enviroment and Gods creations so on and so forth. All that is very difficult and has to be done 24/7 so I choose just to do my daily yoga sessions instead which gives me the license to be a dispicable cretin for rest of the day.
I guess Parwezi ideology doesn't teach you the difference between حقوق الله and حقوق العباد. Which is why you're mixing the عبادات with معاملات.

That's fine. If Allah wills you will learn it.
 

wasiqjaved

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Citizen X
You’ve quoted me multiple times, often twisting my words or responding with sarcasm, which sadly shuts down any meaningful exchange. You insist that Hadith is nothing more than unreliable hearsay compiled by "Irani mullahs" centuries later. That narrative is both historically inaccurate and dismissive of over 1400 years of Islamic scholarly tradition.

Yes, Hadith were compiled after the Prophet ﷺ's death — just like the Quran was compiled into book form later. But that doesn't mean they were invented. The companions of the Prophet ﷺ memorized and transmitted his sayings and actions long before collections like Bukhari and Muslim existed. The Hadith sciences (Isnad, Rijal, Matn criticism) were developed specifically to prevent fabrication, not promote it.

Also, your repeated analogy of “Bablu heard from Dabbu” mocks the chain of transmission, yet you fail to acknowledge how secular historians also rely on eyewitness chains — and no other civilization developed anything as rigorous as Islamic isnad methodology.

And yes, Hadith is not on the same level as the Quran. That’s something I already said: the Quran is divine revelation and fully protected; Hadith is secondary and subject to scrutiny. But “secondary” doesn’t mean “scrap it entirely.”

Your tone, unfortunately, often turned insulting (“pooja paat,” “emotional mushrik,” etc.). This is precisely why meaningful discussions are nearly impossible in such charged and aggressive mindsets. Ironically, this behavior contradicts the very Quran you claim to uphold, which commands dialogue with “hikmah and beautiful preaching” (Quran 16:125).




observer-x
You started this thread with a sarcastic summary of Quranist/Parwezi beliefs — that’s your right — but you’ve since joined in targeting anyone who attempts to bring balance or defend traditional scholarship.

When I said “Quran gives the message, Hadith gives context,” you and others mocked it — but even the Quran says:

“We have revealed to you the Reminder (Quran), that you may explain to people what was sent down...” (Quran 16:44)
That explanation came through the Messenger ﷺ, not just in theory but in his lived example. That's what Hadith preserves. You don’t have to agree with every Hadith — but dismissing all of it outright because of a few controversial narrations is as irrational as rejecting all medicine because of a few expired pills.

If you believe in open dialogue, you should allow views to be challenged respectfully — not with mockery and labels like “Parwezi” used as slurs. Ironically, in trying to fight “mushrik rituals,” you’re using the same tactics you accuse others of: gatekeeping Islam.



Wake up Pak
You asked: “Where did you get this notion from?” in response to my statement: “Quran gives the message, Hadith gives context.”

Fair question. The answer is: from the Quran itself. As mentioned above (16:44), the Prophet ﷺ was not only the recipient of revelation, but also its teacher and practical guide. Without Hadith, you would have no way to know:

  • How to perform Salah,
  • How to calculate Zakah,
  • Or even how to understand rulings that depend on context.
No classical scholar in the history of Islam — Sunni, Shia, or even Zahiri — ever said, “We don’t need Hadith.” That idea is modern, reactionary, and often rooted in frustration with clerical abuse, not the religion itself.

The Quran is undoubtedly complete, perfect, and fully sufficient for guidance. But we must understand what “complete” means in context: it means the Quran contains everything necessary for guidance, not necessarily every minute detail of every practice.

Here’s the question:
If a book alone was enough, then why did Allah send Messengers at all? Why not just drop the scripture from the sky and expect people to follow it on their own?

The answer lies in the wisdom of divine guidance — people need a living, human example to understand, apply, and internalize that message in real life. That’s why the Quran repeatedly tells us:

“We have never sent a messenger except in the language of his people to make the message clear to them.” (Quran 14:4)
“He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah.” (Quran 4:80)
“Indeed, in the Messenger of Allah you have a beautiful example...” (Quran 33:21)

The Prophet ﷺ didn’t just deliver the Quran — he demonstrated how to live by it. Without Hadith, how would we know how to pray, what breaks your fast, or even what was meant in many verses that were revealed in specific contexts?

So yes — the Quran is the final authority, and Hadith is not its competitor. But it is a necessary companion that preserves the actions, clarifications, and practical application of the one who lived the Quran.

Denying all Hadith because “the Quran is complete” is like saying a recipe book is complete so we don’t need a chef — but then still wondering why your dish didn’t turn out right.

The problem begins when people compare the Quran and Hadith side-by-side, as if they are two versions of the same thing. But they’re not — and no serious scholar has ever said they are equal.

Here’s the distinction:

  • 📘 Quran is the literal word of Allah, revealed directly to Prophet Muhammad ﷺ, protected by divine promise (15:9). It’s the source of Islamic belief, law, and guidance. It is unquestionable, unchangeable, and the final authority in all matters.
  • 📜 Hadith is the record of the Prophet’s ﷺ words, actions, and approvals. It’s not divine speech — it’s the explanation and practical application of divine speech, passed down through verified chains of narration - with element of human error.



To all three of you — I sincerely respect your passion. But I humbly ask: if your goal is to present the Quran as the final and pure source of guidance, your conduct must reflect its teachings too.

Adab (respect), Ikhlaq (good character), and humility are also parts of Deen. If we can’t discuss matters of faith without sarcasm, ridicule, and name-calling, then we’ve already lost the spirit of the very book we claim to defend.

I’m here for dialogue, not drama. And I’m happy to continue if we keep things civil and rooted in evidence — not emotion.

That said, perhaps the real lesson for me is this:
I should never have indulged in religious discussions on a political forum — especially where people are already so emotionally and ideologically charged. It rarely leads to understanding, and often just reinforces echo chambers.

Still, I wish you all well — may Allah guide us all toward truth with humility. Ameen.
 

observer-x

Councller (250+ posts)
observer-x
You started this thread with a sarcastic summary of Quranist/Parwezi beliefs
A ridiculous ideology that all scholars unanimously deny deserves sarcastic touch that makes it easy to puke out rather than have it digested (the undigestable).
— that’s your right — but you’ve since joined in targeting anyone who attempts to bring balance or defend traditional scholarship.

When I said “Quran gives the message, Hadith gives context,” you and others mocked it — but even the Quran says:
I think you're mistaken. I 100% agree with your statement “Quran gives the message, Hadith gives context,”
 

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