Religion, Philosophy & Reason

[observer-x]

Citizen X

1. Show your version of Islam
2. Show who has implemented your version of Islam in the history with examples
3. How are the following things done in your version of Islam:
   1. Worship of Allah
   2. Family laws/ inheritance
   3. Aadab (day to day social behaviors)
   4. Eating guidelines (halal /haram)
   5. Marriage
   6. Divorce
   7. Rituals for dead

These are just few, its a huge list otherwise.

Citizen X Dumbo... I'm helping you to craft a good answer for whatever religion you're selling. Answer it with this pattern for others to understand.

 

[Citizen X]

Don't have to go round and round in circles. Just say your version of whatever religion you're following has no rituals.

Yes 100% it has no rituals, this pooja paat aspect has been taken from christianity and zoroastrianism which Persia was for 1000s of years and then later inserted forcefully into Islam to corrupt it. Check out the zoroastrianism 5 time daily prayer and your 5 time namaz and how much in common they have versus anything mentioned in the Quran.

If you are a kind King of a huge and prosperous country would you require your subjects to leave everything they are doing and bow down in front of you 5 times a day and repeat to you your own speeches??? You think the Almighty is so petty and has such feeble needs that he requires his creation to bow down to him 5 times a day otherwise he will get angry and throw you in hell?

When you can't imagine such attributes for yourself or any decent man, how can you associate such attributes to the Al Mighty? Look at all the words or names Allah has used to describe himself in the Quran. You think anyone who posses such attributes can be like this?

 

[Citizen X]

Citizen X Dumbo... I'm helping you to craft a good answer for whatever religion you're selling. Answer it with this pattern for others to understand.

I'm not selling any religion you mushrik zindeeq. I am only advising you to stop following these garbage books and all the garbage they bring with them and return to the deen of Allah from the Quran.

 

[observer-x]

Yes 100% it has no rituals,

Ok, your religion has no ritual.

If you are a kind King of a huge and prosperous country would you require your subjects to leave everything they are doing and bow down in front of you 5 times a day and repeat to you your own speeches???

Presuppositions. How do you know he doesn't?

You think the Almighty is so petty and has such feeble needs that he requires his creation to bow down to him 5 times a day otherwise he will get angry and throw you in hell?

Presuppositions. Again how do you know? Did he speak with you and denied it?

When you can't imagine such attributes for yourself or any decent man, how can you associate such attributes to the Al Mighty? Look at all the words or names Allah has used to describe himself in the Quran. You think anyone who posses such attributes can be like this?

Again its a subjective opinion. How do you really know?

 

[observer-x]

I'm not selling any religion you mushrik zindeeq. I am only advising you to stop following these garbage books and all the garbage they bring with them and return to the deen of Allah from the Quran.

Why should I listen to you? What's your credibility?

 

[observer-x]

I'm not selling any religion you mushrik zindeeq. I am only advising you to stop following these garbage books and all the garbage they bring with them and return to the deen of Allah from the Quran.

You're selling a religion with no ritual. Its your product. You're so lost you don't even know what you're selling.

 

[Wake up Pak]

observer-x So far, you have not given any convincing, logical, or sensible responses to the questions we have asked. You haven't been able to establish or provide details on how to perform the five daily prayers (Namaz) from the Quran or your beloved ahadith either.

 

[observer-x]

Hackel and jackel are back patting each other on their shoulders every step of the way. Jokers.

 

[observer-x]

observer-x So far, you have not given any convincing, logical, or sensible responses to the questions we have asked. You haven't been able to establish or provide details on how to perform the five daily prayers (Namaz) from the Quran or your beloved ahadith either.

Who said I have to? Islam is my religion and it has answers to all the questions. I don't have to reinvent the wheel like you.

 

[Wake up Pak]

observer-x So far, you have not given any convincing, logical, or sensible responses to the questions we have asked. You haven't been able to establish or provide details on how to perform the five daily prayers (Namaz) from the Quran or your beloved ahadith either.

Why should I listen to you? What's your credibility?

His only credibility is that he believes in only Book revealed by Allah, i.e. the Quran.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Who said I have to? Islam is my religion and it has answers to all the questions. I don't have to reinvent the wheel like you.

No, Islam is not your religion. Your religion is following Imam Bokhari, Imam Muslims etc.

 

[Citizen X]

Ok, your religion has no ritual.

Presuppositions. How do you know he doesn't?

Presuppositions. Again how do you know? Did he speak with you and denied it?

Again its a subjective opinion. How do you really know?

Once again if you read the thing you are most allergic to, the Quran, you will see how Allah describes himself, through his attributes/names. So a person gets a pretty solid idea what our creator is like. For example if he describes himself as Al Haqq, you know for a undisputable fact that he would never lie to you.

When he describes himself as Al Kabeer, Al Azeem, Al Aleem you think he would ever be petty like humans?

And of course I am human and make mistakes ALL the time, but I use my God given common sense and the knowledge I have acquired over the years to come to certain decisions. And I am pretty much 1001% sure Allah never told us to follow any thing other than the Quran and after years long research on hadith I can clearly say there is no deen in them or is there any sure way they can be authenticated.

 

[observer-x]

No, Islam is not your religion. Your religion is following Imam Bokhari, Imam Muslims etc.

Is there anything else you do rather that just deny deny deny...

Scripted snake oil sellers.

 

[Citizen X]

Why should I listen to you? What's your credibility?

Absolutely not. Don't listen to me at all, just go verify everything that is said BUT with a clear, open, unbiased mind free from traditional Islam and hadith influence biases. And if you still feel you are on the right path, then so be it. Because Allah guides who he wills.

Even the messengers job was just to relay the message, he was not allowed to force anyone to accept it ( contrary to your hadiths )

 

[Wake up Pak]

Is there anything else you do rather that just deny deny deny...

Scripted snake oil sellers.

Buddy, you need to rest. I suggest you sleep now before you completely lose your tiny brain.

 

[Citizen X]

You're selling a religion with no ritual. Its your product. You're so lost you don't even know what you're selling.

Like I said I'm not selling any religion because. Yes religion requires, rituals, pooja paat, kirtan, ceremonies, clergy, holy men, chants and incantations, grand buildings of worship, a sacred caste so on and so forth.

But Islam is not a religion. Islam is a deen.

 

[observer-x]

Once again if you read the thing you are most allergic to, the Quran, you will see how Allah describes himself, through his attributes/names. So a person gets a pretty solid idea what our creator is like. For example if he describes himself as Al Haqq, you know for a undisputable fact that he would never lie to you.

Using wrong script dumbo. Its a script for an atheist who doesn't believe in a God.

When he describes himself as Al Kabeer, Al Azeem, Al Aleem you think he would ever be petty like humans?

Again, script is for an atheist.

And of course I am human and make mistakes ALL the time, but I use my God given common sense and the knowledge I have acquired over the years to come to certain decisions.

This is repeated over and over again in Quran for ones who don't believe in Allah. Again wrong script.

And I am pretty much 1001% sure Allah never told us to follow any thing other than the Quran and after years long research on hadith I can clearly say there is no deen in them or is there any sure way they can be authenticated.

That's a weird conclusion you're getting to which doesn't make sense. You start with all the reason to believe in Allah and end up denying the deen altogether because of that.

Just think what you're doing, may Allah guide you.

 

[observer-x]

Like I said I'm not selling any religion because. Yes religion requires, rituals, pooja paat, ceremonies, clergy, holy men, chants and incantations, grand buildings of worship, a sacred caste so on and so forth.

Do you believe Islam always existed? Were prophets of their time muslims?

 

[Citizen X]

Using wrong script dumbo. Its a script for an atheist who doesn't believe in a God.

Again, script is for an atheist.

This is repeated over and over again in Quran for ones who don't believe in Allah. Again wrong script.

That's a weird conclusion you're getting to which doesn't make sense. You start with all the reason to believe in Allah and end up denying the deen altogether because of that.

Just think what you're doing, may Allah guide you.

No you dumb mushrik zindeeq those are answer to the imbecilic questions you posted! How do you know he doesn't? Blah blah.

Anyways might as well, because you mushrik zindeeqs are worse than atheist. You can teach a new person to drive properly very easily. But to correct a bad driver who has been set in his shitty ways for decades is very hard.

 

[observer-x]

Citizen X Of course Quran mentions logic but only for atheists. You can only know Allah/ The Creator by logic.

For everything else logic is an overkill coz Allah says سَمِعْنَا وَأَطَعْنَا meaning listen and obey for those things.

And who says rituals are wrong? Rituals have always existed, they show obedience and example for others to follow.