Shahbaz was willing to have CJ removed after face saving restoration

Waseem

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Shahbaz was willing to have CJ removed after ‘face-saving’ restoration

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KARACHI: Even as PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif was rallying street support by publicly refusing to back down from demands for the restoration of Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry in February and March 2009, the party was privately telling American diplomats that the future of the then-non-functional chief justice was up for negotiation.

“Shahbaz stated that following the restoration, the PML-N was prepared to end the issue and remove Chaudhry once and for all,” reported Lahore Consulate Principal Officer Bryan Hunt in a secret American diplomatic cable describing his meeting with the younger Sharif on March 14, 2009.

“On the issue of former Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, Shahbaz claimed that the PML-N was open to negotiation, provided that Chaudhry was symbolically restored.”

The conversation took place just a day before Nawaz Sharif would join a lawyers’ long march in a dramatic public protest for the reinstatement of judges deposed by Gen Musharraf, a demand that President Zardari had been resisting. In private, however, a different story was being told.

“Shahbaz stressed that his party could not afford the political humiliation of abandoning what had become a long-standing principle in favour of Chaudhry’s restoration,” Mr Hunt reported. “At the same time, Shahbaz claimed to understand that Chaudhry was a problematic jurist, whose powers would need to be carefully curtailed.”

Shahbaz Sharif strategised that as a judge who had taken oath under Gen Musharraf’s first provisional constitutional order, Chaudhry could be removed – once “some sort of face-saving restoration” had been carried out – “by adopting legislation proposed in the Charter of Democracy that would ban all judges who had taken an oath under a PCO from serving.”

A week earlier, in another meeting at the Lahore consulate, Shahbaz Sharif had proposed an alternative solution: creating the Constitutional Court envisioned in the Charter of Democracy and ensuring that “it be made superior to the Supreme Court. Iftikhar Chaudhry’s restoration … would then have little measurable impact, as the Constitutional Court, staffed by appointees from both parties, could nullify his decisions.”

Even before the restoration, Shahbaz Sharif confided, the PML-N leadership would agree to any constraints President Zardari might want placed on Chaudhry, “including curtailment of his powers to create judicial benches, removal of his suo motu jurisdiction, and/or establishment of a constitutional court as a check on the Supreme Court.”

“Although Nawaz publicly has said Chaudhry’s restoration is also a red line,” commented US Ambassador Anne Patterson in a separate report, “no leader in Pakistan really wants an activist and unpredictable Chief Justice. … Nawaz emerges stronger in the public eye and retains the ‘high moral ground’ by defending the judiciary.”

As late as January 22, in fact, PML-N leader Khawaja Saad Rafique had told Mr Hunt that a minimum requirement for saving the coalition with the PPP in Punjab was “full retirement of Chief Justice Hameed Dogar and appointment of Justice Sardar Raza in his place.” Chaudhry did not seem to have been a concern.

But by March 2009 he had become the PML-N’s rallying cry, and the timing clearly had to do with political developments at the time: a February 25 Supreme Court decision had declared the Sharif brothers ineligible for office, and the president had imposed governor’s rule in Punjab.

“Nawaz and Shahbaz Sharif told Principal Officer Lahore that the decision [to declare them ineligible to hold public office], which they claimed was entirely Zardari’s, was a declaration of war; they would … take their battle to the streets. Following the decision, PML-N certainly will participate in the lawyers’ march,” reported a February 2009 cable previously published in the media.

“Before the Court ruling, ‘95 per cent of the party’ had opposed joining the lawyers’ March 16 sit-in because it might lead to violence,” Opposition Leader Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan revealed privately in a separate conversation at the US embassy.

“Now, the party had little choice but to support them.”

Cables referenced: WikiLeaks # 196903, 195758, 196939, 188203, 193807, 194540. All cables are available on Dawn.com.
 
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Waseem

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After Kim Barker here is another embarrassment for NS party, it was about Punjab government had Zardari and co not toppled Punjab government Nawaz wouldn't have joined long march, and it was after assurance from COAS that Nawaz immediately finished it.

“no leader in Pakistan really wants an activist and unpredictable Chief Justice. … Nawaz emerges stronger in the public eye and retains the ‘high moral ground’ by defending the judiciary.”

and thats what they tried to achieve from 18 amendment. Thanks to the supreme court they didn't succeed.
 

enigma_1357

MPA (400+ posts)
wah khan sb wah. Imran khan has been saying since march long march that nawaz shareef spoiled the long march and didn't let it gain full objectives. and in 18th amendment, he said they all tried to curtailed the powers of chief justice. now things are becoming clearer and clearer why this happened.

if u ppl remember, it's same shahbaz shareef who used to call justice qayyum for quick and strict verdict against zardari. although zardari is corrupt D*G but it's not the way to compel the judges.

beysharam aur beghairat
 

aasimnaveed

MPA (400+ posts)
pmln ( me nahin manta in wikki leahs ko) ... wesy just look at timings of leaks ... leaks about kiyani n pmnl ... its just a co-incidense or someone control these leakes n leak them on specific time ...
 

Bilal_Mushi

Minister (2k+ posts)
Shahbaz sees CJP as 'problematic jurist': WikiLeaks

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Shahbaz also sought US help for the restoration of his government in Punjab.


A newly released WikiLeaks cable has claimed that Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif considered Chief Justice of Pakistan (CJP) Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry as a problematic jurist and was willing to support his removal after reinstatement.

According to the cable, Shahbaz had also sought the US help for the restoration of his government after the governors rule in Punjab.

During his meeting with Brian D Hunt, the principal officer at the US Consulate, Shahbaz agreed upon the steps to curtail the CJPs powers. The steps included withdrawal of the CJPs powers to set up judicial benches and take suo motu actions.

Shahbaz had assured the US official that he and PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif would remove the reservations of President Asif Ali Zardari before Iftikhar Chaudhrys reinstatement.

Shahbaz also said that Justice Chaudhry could be monitored by establishing a constitutional court.

Shahbaz also told the US official that according to the Charter of Democracy signed between the PML-N and the Pakistan Peoples Party, the judges who took oath under the Provisional Constitution Order (PCO) could not stay on their posts.

According to WikiLeaks, Shahbaz demanded end of the governors rule and removal of Salmaan Taseer as the Punjab governor.

Shahbaz also asked the US diplomat to press Zardari to restore his government while he was also willing to adopt lenient view on the abolishment of the 17th Amendment.

The US diplomat wrote that Shahbaz was not in favour of a long march for the reinstatement of Justice Chaudhry due to fear of terrorism.

http://www.dunyanews.tv/index.php?key=Q2F0SUQ9MiNOaWQ9MjY0ODQ=
 

Zameer Uddin

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Read and enjoy mazaa naa ayaay tu paisay waapas

He then offered to meet me the next day, at a friend’s apartment in
Lahore, to give me the iPhone and have tea. No, I said. I was going to
Faridkot. Sharif finally came to the point.
“Kim. I am sorry I was not able to find you a friend. I tried, but I
failed.”
He shook his head, looked genuinely sad about the failure of the
project.
“That’s OK,” I said. “Really. I don’t really want a friend right now. I
am perfectly happy without a friend. I want to be friendless.”
He paused. And then, finally, the tiger of Punjab pounced. “I would
like to be your friend.”
 

Bilal_Mushi

Minister (2k+ posts)
Why isn't he deneying? Kiyani promptly did.

pmln ( me nahin manta in wikki leahs ko) ... wesy just look at timings of leaks ... leaks about kiyani n pmnl ... its just a co-incidense or someone control these leakes n leak them on specific time ...
 

GeoG

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
An independent Judiciary suits none of the political party (except PTI), bureaucracy and elitist class of the county

Ifthikhar Choudhary stood up to Generals fully knowing that he may become another number in missing persons
He fully knew that he is confronting Ferons of Modern era but stood his ground
Modern Pakistan should be thankful to three people

AQ Khan - saving us from Indian onslaught
CJ - Standing up to Generals and giving a new direction to the country
IK - a leader to look forward to the future of the country

take out these three persons we are hopeless with a bleak future,
But that does not mean we shall start worshiping these three
We must support them to take Pakistan out of current mess we have got ourselves into, thanks to and Generals and NRO leadership.
 

adslpxp2

MPA (400+ posts)
True face of Nawaz Sharif (WIKILEAKS)

Chief Minister Punjab and prominent figurehead of the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) Shahbaz Sharif was willing to negotiate the future of the Chief Justice of Pakistan Iftikhar Chaudhry even while his party publicly rallied support for the restoration of the chief justice, a newly released wikileaks cable states.
In a meeting with Principal Officer at the Lahore consulate Bryan D Hunt, Shahbaz had stated:
that the Sharifs key demands in these negotiations were: (1) restoration of the electoral eligibility of both Sharif brothers; (2) restoration of Shahbaz Sharifs government in the Punjab; (3) some sort of face-saving restoration of former Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry; and (4) agreement on transfers of powers between the President and the Prime Minister in accordance with the Charter of Democracy.
The cable says that Shahbaz had said that the PML-N was open to negotiation, provided that Chaudhry was symobolically restored as chief justice of Pakistan, but at the same time Shahbaz claimed to understand that Chaudhry was a problematic jurist whose powers would need to be carefully curtailed.
The cable states that Shahbaz had said that PML-N was prepared to end the issue and remove Chaudhry once and for all. This he had said would be done adopting legislation proposed in the Charter of Democracy that would ban all judges who had taken an oath under a Provincial Constitutional Order (PCO) from serving.
Sharif had stated that in his assessment both then current Chief Justice Dogar and Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer would not be able to play a role in the new system. Shahbaz had also called Dogar a completely discredited jurist.
The goals Sharif has highlighted in the negotiation process were the restoration of the eligibility of both Sharif brothers to contest in national elections and the restoration of his government in the Punjab province.
Shahbaz had underscored that the Sharifs were prepared to adopt any safeguards that President Zardari desired prior to Chaudhrys restoration, including curtailment of his powers to create judicial benches, removal of his suo moto jurisdiction, and/or establishment of a constitutional court as a check on the Supreme Court.
The full text of the cable is available on Dawn.com, The Hindu and NDTV. WikiLeaks had previously released cables to other media organisations including Guardian and the New York Times.
Cable Referenced: WikiLeaks #196903
The full text of the cables can be read on Dawn.com, The Hindu and NDTV. WikiLeaks has previously released cables to other media organisations including Guardian and the New York Times.
 

adslpxp2

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: True face of Nawaz Sharif (WIKILEAKS)

Is there any 'Mr Clean' left in this political filth?

Thanks to Wikileaks, the truth is out. Everyone, literally everyone, is caught pants down.

NOW, PAKISTAN's ONLY HOPE IS IMRAN KHAN.
 
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GraanG2

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Aur karo US Aid ki khilaf baatein...Yeh woh log karte hain jo jin ke khilaf US ke pass koi saboot na ho...hahahah...Ab yeh 180 le lega aur kahega nahi Aid lena chahiyie lekin sahi jaga istemal karna chahiyie...hahaha
 

Insafians

Citizen
WikiLeaks: Shahbaz was in negotiation to remove CJ

Source:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/172523/wikileaks-shahbaz-was-in-negotiation-to-remove-cj/


Published: May 20, 2011

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PML-N leader was negotiating a "face-saving restoration" to eventually remove Iftikhar Chaudhry.

Chief Minister Punjab and prominent figurehead of the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) Shahbaz Sharif was willing to negotiate the future of the Chief Justice of Pakistan Iftikhar Chaudhry even while his party publicly rallied support for the restoration of the chief justice, a newly released wikileaks cable states.
In a meeting with Principal Officer at the Lahore consulate Bryan D Hunt, Shahbaz had stated:
“that the Sharifs’ key demands in these negotiations were: (1) restoration of the electoral eligibility of both Sharif brothers; (2) restoration of Shahbaz Sharif’s government in the Punjab; (3) some sort of face-saving restoration of former Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry; and (4) agreement on transfers of powers between the President and the Prime Minister in accordance with the Charter of Democracy.”
The cable says that Shahbaz had said that the PML-N was open to negotiation, provided that Chaudhry was symobolically restored as chief justice of Pakistan, but at the same time Shahbaz claimed to understand that Chaudhry was a problematic jurist whose powers would need to be carefully curtailed.
The cable states that Shahbaz had said that PML-N was prepared to end the issue and “remove Chaudhry once and for all”. This he had said would be done adopting legislation proposed in the Charter of Democracy that would ban all judges who had taken an oath under a Provincial Constitutional Order (PCO) from serving.
Sharif had stated that in his assessment both then current Chief Justice Dogar and Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer would not be able to play a role in the new system. Shahbaz had also called Dogar a “completely discredited jurist”.
The goals Sharif has highlighted in the negotiation process were the restoration of the eligibility of both Sharif brothers to contest in national elections and the restoration of his government in the Punjab province.
Shahbaz had underscored that the Sharifs were prepared to adopt any safeguards that President Zardari desired prior to Chaudhry’s restoration, including “curtailment of his powers to create judicial benches, removal of his suo moto jurisdiction, and/or establishment of a constitutional court as a check on the Supreme Court.”
The full text of the cable is available on Dawn.com, The Hindu and NDTV. WikiLeaks had previously released cables to other media organisations including Guardian and the New York Times.
Cable Referenced: WikiLeaks #196903
The full text of the cables can be read onDawn.com, The Hindu and NDTV. WikiLeaks has previously released cables to other media organisations including Guardian and the New York Times.
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