SUFI MUSIC ----- Whats the reality?

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Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Some of you people telling that music is shirk some telling that lyrics is shirk and some telling that democracy is shirk and some telling that and that shirk. First you people decide what is shirk.

I like this post of yours, it is right to the point as well as a bit funny.
 

basim973

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Can you tell name of person who converted your ancestor to Islam. Was he Najdi. I am laughing at your jokings you are funny.

Dear Brother,
You sound like getting personal and making fun and jokes here rather doing a sensible objective argument. But I have a husan-e-zan and I hope and pray that Allah will open your eyes and heart for the truth.

I born in a muslim family who was practicing islam a little in their own customery or cultury way. They was following their parents and i was following my parent and the imam of my nearest masjid. Honestly speaking neither my parents nor i could tell why we are doing what we are doing and where did we all get it from.

Few years back, my brother went for hajj (he was not a regular namazi then and was clean shaved). There he listened to A Hanfi Alim (Maki Sahab near bab-e-umrah). When he returned home, he bought himself a translated quran and Bukhari. Then he started to learn from the original sources with the help of scholars from different school of thoughts.

Like you, I used to have long pointless arguments and trying to convince that we are all right without saying any1 wrong. I was talking and quoting saying of peoples without references and he in reply quotes the quran and bukhari.

I took me a year and a half to be convinced that he is right and i am lost and not talking sense. I with the grace of Allah, i was started to be convinced and now I follow the quran and sunnah alone and Allah has made the principles of islam easy for me to understand.

You can keep on calling me wahabi, najadi, ahle-hadith to any thing but only Allah knows the truth and intentions of the heart. My call to you and to my other brothers is to learn quran and sunnah. Donot take any thing for granted in deen like you donot in your personal life .

May Allah open our hearts for truth and guide us to the right path (Ameen)
 

Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
Dear Brother,
You sound like getting personal and making fun and jokes here rather doing a sensible objective argument. But I have a husan-e-zan and I hope and pray that Allah will open your eyes and heart for the truth.

I born in a muslim family who was practicing islam a little in their own customery or cultury way. They was following their parents and i was following my parent and the imam of my nearest masjid. Honestly speaking neither my parents nor i could tell why we are doing what we are doing and where did we all get it from.

Few years back, my brother went for hajj (he was not a regular namazi then and was clean shaved). There he listened to A Hanfi Alim (Maki Sahab near bab-e-umrah). When he returned home, he bought himself a translated quran and Bukhari. Then he started to learn from the original sources with the help of scholars from different school of thoughts.

Like you, I used to have long pointless arguments and trying to convince that we are all right without saying any1 wrong. I was talking and quoting saying of peoples without references and he in reply quotes the quran and bukhari.

I took me a year and a half to be convinced that he is right and i am lost and not talking sense. I with the grace of Allah, i was started to be convinced and now I follow the quran and sunnah alone and Allah has made the principles of islam easy for me to understand.

You can keep on calling me wahabi, najadi, ahle-hadith to any thing but only Allah knows the truth and intentions of the heart. My call to you and to my other brothers is to learn quran and sunnah. Donot take any thing for granted in deen like you donot in your personal life .

May Allah open our hearts for truth and guide us to the right path (Ameen)


I was not making fun of your ancestor.It was in one line in a hurry and it gave wrong impression.

I am laughing at your other points as you think you know Islam but you dont know Islam. I mean the other illogic you telling. You still didnt tell who converted your ancestor. Was it a Makki sahab or a sufi. If it was sufi then your ancestor in your logic also not following proper Islam. So dont tell that you born in a muslim house but tell that you born in a house whose ancestor got converted by sufi and then your brother made you right muslim. Although I see what type of muslim you are. You r trying your best but r failing because the world is more aware now.

I have given all arguments from Quran and Hadees and if I am wrong then you prove it from Quran and Hadees but you r unable to do. So I tell you to come to the right path.

May Allah guide you to the right path Ameen.
 
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Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
WE donot need to redefine SHIRK like some brothers keep saying it. Please, watch the following video and follow the links for other parts from youtube. The shirk is already been defined by the scholars in the light of quran and hadith.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX725Ja_ryk&feature=related


I tell this Touseef is the real biddati. Najdis and their follower r the real biddati.



For Najdis tell me from Quran and Hadees about the bidats. Actually Najdis are doing bidats.

Biddat Number 1
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► offer azan of tahajud,in pakistan and saudia , Where did Aqah karim (saleh ala waalihi wasalam) or Sahabas (Ra) did this act throughout their life , And I am talking about Tahajud Azan , its a bida'h
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Biddat Number 2
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Misyar marriage allowed by Abdul Aziz bin Baaz , where is concept of this marriage came from
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Biddat Number 3
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► The concept Allah (swt) has literal hands, leg,eye is only in a sky , etc , Where is it proved from Quran and hadiths , This aqeeda is a bidah, only ibn e taymiyah believed in this concept and was criticized by many
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Biddat Number 4
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► Saying Bismilallah befofe reading every Sura'h in Salat, where did Sahabas(Ra) read bismilAllah afer every surah
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Biddat Number 5
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► Calling Yazid Radhitallah anho(not Rah) and believing him to be a Salaf, Which clasical scholar,Sahabi (ra) called him a Salaf,Sahabi (ra) or Radhitallah anho, its a bidah too.Dr zakir naik who follows saWahabi school does it.
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Biddat Number 6
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►Reading Ghayba salat e Janaza without the dead body infront , Prophet (saw) read it for Hadrat Najashi (Ra) after that no one in history of Islam, Sahabas (ra),Salafs read Salat e Janaza like this, kindly show me proof of this act from any other source
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Biddat Number 7
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► Raising Hands in Witr Salat for reading Dua and muktadi at the back say amin amin, show mejust one proof of this bidah
http://******************/en/ref/8594/
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Biddat Number 8
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► Raising finger constantly (again and aggain) during during attahiyyat in salah , kindly let me know which hadiths states to raise finger again and aggain during every sala'h
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Biddat Number 9
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► during salat for the dead ,imam read the salat with a loud voice and the people standing behind him say amin amin,aloudly,continuously,this ia a bidaat

http://******************/en/ref/8594/
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Biddat Number 10
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► Following Saudia during Eids and Ramadhan occasions, Throughout history Prophet (salehlalawaalihi wasalam) ,Sahabas (Ra) and Salafs (rah) have followed local moon not a moon 5000 miles away, now show me proof for it
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Biddat Number 11
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► 8 rakat tarawih (not tahajud salah) is a biddat having no proof from any Hadith or Salaf, nor did muslims throughout history ever performed 8 rakat tarawih in ramazan, but 20 rakat , now show me which hadiths proofs it , I am asking about Tarawih not Tahajud



Biddat Number 12
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Congregating people behind one Imam to pray Salat al Tahajjud after Salat Al Tarawih, in the two Holy Mosques and other mosques.
[ biddat practiced by islamqa lovers ]
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Biddat Number 13
Reciting the Prayer of Completion of the Quran in Salat al Tarawih and also in Salat al Tahajjud
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Biddat Number 14
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Designating the 27th night of Ramadan to complete reading the entire Quran in the two Holy Mosques in Saudia
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Biddat Number 15
A caller saying, after Salat al Tarawih, in the Qiyam prayer, May Allah reward you


,Biddat Number 16
► Is it proved from any hadith that Rafayadein was done by Prophet (saw) throughout his life , not even a single sahih hadith exists but muslims perform it and have this aqeeda.Remember I am asking about proof that if was performed through his life not the act,but the beliefs
Proofs of abrogation of Rafulyadein from 40 + hadiths
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=504&CATE=2
[bidah in ahle hadith sect]
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Biddat Number 17
►During salat putting their hand on the chest,this is a biddatt,and no sahih hadith is present to prove this point,[bidah by ahle hadith muslim ]
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Biddat Number 18
►during salat putting their one hand on another and hold their ankles,this is a biddat,Prophet MUHAMMAD saw never did it [done by Ahle hadith muslims ]


Biddat Number 19

To offer salat without wearing a cap or covering the head has become a norm, kindly proof that offering salah without covering the head is proved from Prophet (saleh ala waalihi wasalam

Biddat Number 20

During offering salat the legs are put apart at big distances usually,which is about 3-4 hand spam, kindly show proofs of this bidat from Quran anf sahih marfu hadiths only.

Biddat Number 21

Using the word Salafi to represent a sect ,although wahabis have never said its haram but prefer to usedthe word ahle sunnah wrongly for it, kindly show proof from Sahih hadith wherre did Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) called any group as a salafi which will emerge during end of times.


Biddat Number 22

Removing parts and doing forgery in Riyad us saleheen, imam bukhari;s al adab al mufrab, calling hadiths sahih termed by classical scholars as daeef and removing chapters and pages from books of classical scholars are bidats, kindly show permission of these acts.

http://www.livingislam.org/n/slfm_e.html

http://www.livingislam.org/trs_e.html

http://www.livingislam.org/alb_e.html

http://www.ummah.net/Al_adaab/al50errs.html

^^^ proofs of forgeries

Biddat Number 23

Sheikh ul islam of wahabi sect Ibn Taymiyya divided Tawheed into two parts?

namely tawh.d al-rubbiyya and tawh.d al-ulhiyya, respectively, Oneness of Lordship and Oneness ofGod.


Did the Prophet (Peace be upon him) or Sahaba divide tawhid into these parts, and did they name it?many more bidahs


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Action # 24 : Done by ghair muqalids with no proof from a single hadith,
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The issue of eating a Buffalo and drinking its milk is not proved from a single sahih hadith , Ghair muqalids do taqleed of fiqh here in this issue which is no where found in hadiths. Why do they follow Imams [rah] here ?
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Action # 25 :Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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Raising hands during Wit'r Salah when dua e qunoot is said , This is no where proved from any hadith, Ghair muqalids follow Imam Shafi [rah] here and do his taqled against hadiths again.

Why to follow a fiqh here if its not proved from Sahih hadith or even a mawdo hadith ?

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Action # 26 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith
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Again in salah saying Sana'h and Tawooz silently is a fiqh issue, Ghair muqalids do taqleed of Imams [rah] here,
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Action # 27: Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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The action of saying Takbeer e Tahrima loudly in salah and muqtadis should say it silently is no where present in any hadith. Ghair muqalids again follow a fiqh and Imams [rah] here, or should I say follow them without it being in the hadith even
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Action # 28 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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In salah Imam says Salam alound in the end and muqtadis should say it silently is no where present in any hadith. Ghair muqalids again follow a fiqh and Imams [rah] here, or should I say follow them without it being in the hadith even
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Action # 29 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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The Tasbehaats of Rukho Sajda should be read silently, this again is derived from fiqhs of ahlus sunnah, Ghair muqalids [salafis] follow a fiqh here again, and interrestingly this isn't proved from a single hadith too, Why do shirk again if act is not proved from hadiths ?


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Action # 30: Done by ghair muqalids against hadiths in taqlid of four imams [rah]
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The sunnah salah is read alone not in a jammah behind imam, This act is again a fiqh issue, Ghair muqalids follow a fiqh on this issue, there is no hadith regarding this issue too, Again following Imams [rah] in an act not proved from hadiths.
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Action # 31 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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In Salah of fajr , magrib , Esa the muqtadi saying ameen loudly and not saying it in Zuhr salah is again not in any hadith. This is practised by ghair muqalids and they again follow fiqh on this issue
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Action # 32 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith
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The issue of whether a salah is valid or not if a muslim fails to read Sana'h and Tawooz in salah, this again is not present in any hadith its an issue of Fiqh. Ghair muqalids follow an Imam [rah] in this case as well inspite of the fact that its no where in any hadith.
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Action # 33 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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Where should the hands be places during Two sajahs [prostrations] in a salah. This is no where proved or found in any hadith, Ghair muqalids like Muqalids of Ahlus sunnah do Taqlid of imams [rah] on this issue in salah as well.
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Action # 34 : Done by ghair muqalids against hadiths in taqlid of four imams [rah]
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The conditions of making a salah valid which ghair muqalids follow blindly is not present in a single hadith. They copied it from Hanafi fiqh and do taqlid of Hanafi fiqh on this issue even if its not in a single hadith. Why isn't this shirk for them now ?


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Action # 35 :Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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When Ghair muqalids make niyah/intentions of salah this is found in not a single hadith. THey follow fiqhs of ahlus sunnah again on this issue and do taqlid of Imams [rah]. No where its in any hadith why they do such an act if its not proved from hadith ? isn't it shirk as well
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Action # 36 :Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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The arrangement in Janaza Salah practised by Ghair muqalids is against no where found in any hadith.
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Which means after first Takbeer to read
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► Sana'h
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► Taooz
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► Tasmiya
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► Fatiha than next Rakah
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After second Takbeer to read Durood e Ibrahimi
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After third Takbeer to read 12-13 Duas together , This way of offering Janaza Salah is proved from no sahih hadith . Why do ghair muqalids offer janaza salah like this ,


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Action # 37 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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Not to make Dua after reading Farz Salah which is done by ghair muqalids is a new innovation of modern times, its no where proved from a single Sahih or even mawdo hadith
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Action # 38 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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during salat putting their one hand on another and hold their elbows,this is a biddat,Prophet MUHAMMAD saw never did it, I am talking about Elbows not forearms


 

basim973

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
I was not making fun of your ancestor.It was in one line in a hurry and it gave wrong impression.

I am laughing at your other points as you think you know Islam but you dont know Islam. I mean the other illogic you telling. You still didnt tell who converted your ancestor. Was it a Makki sahab or a sufi. If it was sufi then your ancestor in your logic also not following proper Islam. So dont tell that you born in a muslim house but tell that you born in a house whose ancestor got converted by sufi and then your brother made you right muslim. Although I see what type of muslim you are. You r trying your best but r failing because the world is more aware now.

I have given all arguments from Quran and Hadees and if I am wrong then you prove it from Quran and Hadees but you r unable to do. So I tell you to come to the right path.

May Allah guide you to the right path Ameen.

I donot know that as i donot live in past but what is more important is that Alhamdullilah Allah made me muslim and I am trying to be on the deen of the prophet (pbuh) without any addition and subtractions as its the case of most of the ppl around us these days.
Allah(swt) can spread his words/deen from Kufars if He wish (e.g. Allah used Fero for up bringing Moses (pbuh)). The important thing is are we on islam :the deen of the prophet (pbuh)?
 

basim973

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
I tell this Touseef is the real biddati. Najdis and their follower r the real biddati.



For Najdis tell me from Quran and Hadees about the bidats. Actually Najdis are doing bidats.

Biddat Number 1
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► offer azan of tahajud,in pakistan and saudia , Where did Aqah karim (saleh ala waalihi wasalam) or Sahabas (Ra) did this act throughout their life , And I am talking about Tahajud Azan , its a bida'h
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Biddat Number 2
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Misyar marriage allowed by Abdul Aziz bin Baaz , where is concept of this marriage came from
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Biddat Number 3
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► The concept Allah (swt) has literal hands, leg,eye is only in a sky , etc , Where is it proved from Quran and hadiths , This aqeeda is a bidah, only ibn e taymiyah believed in this concept and was criticized by many
,
Biddat Number 4
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► Saying Bismilallah befofe reading every Sura'h in Salat, where did Sahabas(Ra) read bismilAllah afer every surah
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Biddat Number 5
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► Calling Yazid Radhitallah anho(not Rah) and believing him to be a Salaf, Which clasical scholar,Sahabi (ra) called him a Salaf,Sahabi (ra) or Radhitallah anho, its a bidah too.Dr zakir naik who follows saWahabi school does it.
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Biddat Number 6
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►Reading Ghayba salat e Janaza without the dead body infront , Prophet (saw) read it for Hadrat Najashi (Ra) after that no one in history of Islam, Sahabas (ra),Salafs read Salat e Janaza like this, kindly show me proof of this act from any other source
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Biddat Number 7
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► Raising Hands in Witr Salat for reading Dua and muktadi at the back say amin amin, show mejust one proof of this bidah
http://******************/en/ref/8594/
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Biddat Number 8
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► Raising finger constantly (again and aggain) during during attahiyyat in salah , kindly let me know which hadiths states to raise finger again and aggain during every sala'h
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Biddat Number 9
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► during salat for the dead ,imam read the salat with a loud voice and the people standing behind him say amin amin,aloudly,continuously,this ia a bidaat

http://******************/en/ref/8594/
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Biddat Number 10
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► Following Saudia during Eids and Ramadhan occasions, Throughout history Prophet (salehlalawaalihi wasalam) ,Sahabas (Ra) and Salafs (rah) have followed local moon not a moon 5000 miles away, now show me proof for it
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Biddat Number 11
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► 8 rakat tarawih (not tahajud salah) is a biddat having no proof from any Hadith or Salaf, nor did muslims throughout history ever performed 8 rakat tarawih in ramazan, but 20 rakat , now show me which hadiths proofs it , I am asking about Tarawih not Tahajud



Biddat Number 12
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Congregating people behind one Imam to pray Salat al Tahajjud after Salat Al Tarawih, in the two Holy Mosques and other mosques.
[ biddat practiced by islamqa lovers ]
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Biddat Number 13
Reciting the Prayer of Completion of the Quran in Salat al Tarawih and also in Salat al Tahajjud
,
Biddat Number 14
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Designating the 27th night of Ramadan to complete reading the entire Quran in the two Holy Mosques in Saudia
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Biddat Number 15
A caller saying, after Salat al Tarawih, in the Qiyam prayer, May Allah reward you


,Biddat Number 16
► Is it proved from any hadith that Rafayadein was done by Prophet (saw) throughout his life , not even a single sahih hadith exists but muslims perform it and have this aqeeda.Remember I am asking about proof that if was performed through his life not the act,but the beliefs
Proofs of abrogation of Rafulyadein from 40 + hadiths
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=504&CATE=2
[bidah in ahle hadith sect]
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Biddat Number 17
►During salat putting their hand on the chest,this is a biddatt,and no sahih hadith is present to prove this point,[bidah by ahle hadith muslim ]
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Biddat Number 18
►during salat putting their one hand on another and hold their ankles,this is a biddat,Prophet MUHAMMAD saw never did it [done by Ahle hadith muslims ]


Biddat Number 19

To offer salat without wearing a cap or covering the head has become a norm, kindly proof that offering salah without covering the head is proved from Prophet (saleh ala waalihi wasalam

Biddat Number 20

During offering salat the legs are put apart at big distances usually,which is about 3-4 hand spam, kindly show proofs of this bidat from Quran anf sahih marfu hadiths only.

Biddat Number 21

Using the word Salafi to represent a sect ,although wahabis have never said its haram but prefer to usedthe word ahle sunnah wrongly for it, kindly show proof from Sahih hadith wherre did Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) called any group as a salafi which will emerge during end of times.


Biddat Number 22

Removing parts and doing forgery in Riyad us saleheen, imam bukhari;s al adab al mufrab, calling hadiths sahih termed by classical scholars as daeef and removing chapters and pages from books of classical scholars are bidats, kindly show permission of these acts.

http://www.livingislam.org/n/slfm_e.html

http://www.livingislam.org/trs_e.html

http://www.livingislam.org/alb_e.html

http://www.ummah.net/Al_adaab/al50errs.html

^^^ proofs of forgeries

Biddat Number 23

Sheikh ul islam of wahabi sect Ibn Taymiyya divided Tawheed into two parts?

namely tawh.d al-rubbiyya and tawh.d al-ulhiyya, respectively, Oneness of Lordship and Oneness ofGod.


Did the Prophet (Peace be upon him) or Sahaba divide tawhid into these parts, and did they name it?many more bidahs


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Action # 24 : Done by ghair muqalids with no proof from a single hadith,
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The issue of eating a Buffalo and drinking its milk is not proved from a single sahih hadith , Ghair muqalids do taqleed of fiqh here in this issue which is no where found in hadiths. Why do they follow Imams [rah] here ?
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Action # 25 :Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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Raising hands during Wit'r Salah when dua e qunoot is said , This is no where proved from any hadith, Ghair muqalids follow Imam Shafi [rah] here and do his taqled against hadiths again.

Why to follow a fiqh here if its not proved from Sahih hadith or even a mawdo hadith ?

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Action # 26 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith
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Again in salah saying Sana'h and Tawooz silently is a fiqh issue, Ghair muqalids do taqleed of Imams [rah] here,
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Action # 27: Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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The action of saying Takbeer e Tahrima loudly in salah and muqtadis should say it silently is no where present in any hadith. Ghair muqalids again follow a fiqh and Imams [rah] here, or should I say follow them without it being in the hadith even
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Action # 28 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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In salah Imam says Salam alound in the end and muqtadis should say it silently is no where present in any hadith. Ghair muqalids again follow a fiqh and Imams [rah] here, or should I say follow them without it being in the hadith even
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Action # 29 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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The Tasbehaats of Rukho Sajda should be read silently, this again is derived from fiqhs of ahlus sunnah, Ghair muqalids [salafis] follow a fiqh here again, and interrestingly this isn't proved from a single hadith too, Why do shirk again if act is not proved from hadiths ?


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Action # 30: Done by ghair muqalids against hadiths in taqlid of four imams [rah]
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The sunnah salah is read alone not in a jammah behind imam, This act is again a fiqh issue, Ghair muqalids follow a fiqh on this issue, there is no hadith regarding this issue too, Again following Imams [rah] in an act not proved from hadiths.
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Action # 31 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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In Salah of fajr , magrib , Esa the muqtadi saying ameen loudly and not saying it in Zuhr salah is again not in any hadith. This is practised by ghair muqalids and they again follow fiqh on this issue
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Action # 32 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith
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The issue of whether a salah is valid or not if a muslim fails to read Sana'h and Tawooz in salah, this again is not present in any hadith its an issue of Fiqh. Ghair muqalids follow an Imam [rah] in this case as well inspite of the fact that its no where in any hadith.
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Action # 33 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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Where should the hands be places during Two sajahs [prostrations] in a salah. This is no where proved or found in any hadith, Ghair muqalids like Muqalids of Ahlus sunnah do Taqlid of imams [rah] on this issue in salah as well.
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Action # 34 : Done by ghair muqalids against hadiths in taqlid of four imams [rah]
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The conditions of making a salah valid which ghair muqalids follow blindly is not present in a single hadith. They copied it from Hanafi fiqh and do taqlid of Hanafi fiqh on this issue even if its not in a single hadith. Why isn't this shirk for them now ?


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Action # 35 :Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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When Ghair muqalids make niyah/intentions of salah this is found in not a single hadith. THey follow fiqhs of ahlus sunnah again on this issue and do taqlid of Imams [rah]. No where its in any hadith why they do such an act if its not proved from hadith ? isn't it shirk as well
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Action # 36 :Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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The arrangement in Janaza Salah practised by Ghair muqalids is against no where found in any hadith.
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Which means after first Takbeer to read
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► Sana'h
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► Taooz
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► Tasmiya
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► Fatiha than next Rakah
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After second Takbeer to read Durood e Ibrahimi
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After third Takbeer to read 12-13 Duas together , This way of offering Janaza Salah is proved from no sahih hadith . Why do ghair muqalids offer janaza salah like this ,


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Action # 37 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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Not to make Dua after reading Farz Salah which is done by ghair muqalids is a new innovation of modern times, its no where proved from a single Sahih or even mawdo hadith
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Action # 38 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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during salat putting their one hand on another and hold their elbows,this is a biddat,Prophet MUHAMMAD saw never did it, I am talking about Elbows not forearms


Donot be so arrogant, talk sense if u can.
 

basim973

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
I tell this Touseef is the real biddati. Najdis and their follower r the real biddati.



For Najdis tell me from Quran and Hadees about the bidats. Actually Najdis are doing bidats.

Biddat Number 1
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► offer azan of tahajud,in pakistan and saudia , Where did Aqah karim (saleh ala waalihi wasalam) or Sahabas (Ra) did this act throughout their life , And I am talking about Tahajud Azan , its a bida'h
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Biddat Number 2
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Misyar marriage allowed by Abdul Aziz bin Baaz , where is concept of this marriage came from
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Biddat Number 3
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► The concept Allah (swt) has literal hands, leg,eye is only in a sky , etc , Where is it proved from Quran and hadiths , This aqeeda is a bidah, only ibn e taymiyah believed in this concept and was criticized by many
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Biddat Number 4
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► Saying Bismilallah befofe reading every Sura'h in Salat, where did Sahabas(Ra) read bismilAllah afer every surah
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Biddat Number 5
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► Calling Yazid Radhitallah anho(not Rah) and believing him to be a Salaf, Which clasical scholar,Sahabi (ra) called him a Salaf,Sahabi (ra) or Radhitallah anho, its a bidah too.Dr zakir naik who follows saWahabi school does it.
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Biddat Number 6
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►Reading Ghayba salat e Janaza without the dead body infront , Prophet (saw) read it for Hadrat Najashi (Ra) after that no one in history of Islam, Sahabas (ra),Salafs read Salat e Janaza like this, kindly show me proof of this act from any other source
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Biddat Number 7
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► Raising Hands in Witr Salat for reading Dua and muktadi at the back say amin amin, show mejust one proof of this bidah
http://******************/en/ref/8594/
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Biddat Number 8
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► Raising finger constantly (again and aggain) during during attahiyyat in salah , kindly let me know which hadiths states to raise finger again and aggain during every sala'h
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Biddat Number 9
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► during salat for the dead ,imam read the salat with a loud voice and the people standing behind him say amin amin,aloudly,continuously,this ia a bidaat

http://******************/en/ref/8594/
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Biddat Number 10
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► Following Saudia during Eids and Ramadhan occasions, Throughout history Prophet (salehlalawaalihi wasalam) ,Sahabas (Ra) and Salafs (rah) have followed local moon not a moon 5000 miles away, now show me proof for it
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Biddat Number 11
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► 8 rakat tarawih (not tahajud salah) is a biddat having no proof from any Hadith or Salaf, nor did muslims throughout history ever performed 8 rakat tarawih in ramazan, but 20 rakat , now show me which hadiths proofs it , I am asking about Tarawih not Tahajud



Biddat Number 12
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Congregating people behind one Imam to pray Salat al Tahajjud after Salat Al Tarawih, in the two Holy Mosques and other mosques.
[ biddat practiced by islamqa lovers ]
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Biddat Number 13
Reciting the Prayer of Completion of the Quran in Salat al Tarawih and also in Salat al Tahajjud
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Biddat Number 14
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Designating the 27th night of Ramadan to complete reading the entire Quran in the two Holy Mosques in Saudia
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Biddat Number 15
A caller saying, after Salat al Tarawih, in the Qiyam prayer, May Allah reward you


,Biddat Number 16
► Is it proved from any hadith that Rafayadein was done by Prophet (saw) throughout his life , not even a single sahih hadith exists but muslims perform it and have this aqeeda.Remember I am asking about proof that if was performed through his life not the act,but the beliefs
Proofs of abrogation of Rafulyadein from 40 + hadiths
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=504&CATE=2
[bidah in ahle hadith sect]
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Biddat Number 17
►During salat putting their hand on the chest,this is a biddatt,and no sahih hadith is present to prove this point,[bidah by ahle hadith muslim ]
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Biddat Number 18
►during salat putting their one hand on another and hold their ankles,this is a biddat,Prophet MUHAMMAD saw never did it [done by Ahle hadith muslims ]


Biddat Number 19

To offer salat without wearing a cap or covering the head has become a norm, kindly proof that offering salah without covering the head is proved from Prophet (saleh ala waalihi wasalam

Biddat Number 20

During offering salat the legs are put apart at big distances usually,which is about 3-4 hand spam, kindly show proofs of this bidat from Quran anf sahih marfu hadiths only.

Biddat Number 21

Using the word Salafi to represent a sect ,although wahabis have never said its haram but prefer to usedthe word ahle sunnah wrongly for it, kindly show proof from Sahih hadith wherre did Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) called any group as a salafi which will emerge during end of times.


Biddat Number 22

Removing parts and doing forgery in Riyad us saleheen, imam bukhari;s al adab al mufrab, calling hadiths sahih termed by classical scholars as daeef and removing chapters and pages from books of classical scholars are bidats, kindly show permission of these acts.

http://www.livingislam.org/n/slfm_e.html

http://www.livingislam.org/trs_e.html

http://www.livingislam.org/alb_e.html

http://www.ummah.net/Al_adaab/al50errs.html

^^^ proofs of forgeries

Biddat Number 23

Sheikh ul islam of wahabi sect Ibn Taymiyya divided Tawheed into two parts?

namely tawh.d al-rubbiyya and tawh.d al-ulhiyya, respectively, Oneness of Lordship and Oneness ofGod.


Did the Prophet (Peace be upon him) or Sahaba divide tawhid into these parts, and did they name it?many more bidahs


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Action # 24 : Done by ghair muqalids with no proof from a single hadith,
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The issue of eating a Buffalo and drinking its milk is not proved from a single sahih hadith , Ghair muqalids do taqleed of fiqh here in this issue which is no where found in hadiths. Why do they follow Imams [rah] here ?
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Action # 25 :Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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Raising hands during Wit'r Salah when dua e qunoot is said , This is no where proved from any hadith, Ghair muqalids follow Imam Shafi [rah] here and do his taqled against hadiths again.

Why to follow a fiqh here if its not proved from Sahih hadith or even a mawdo hadith ?

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Action # 26 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith
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Again in salah saying Sana'h and Tawooz silently is a fiqh issue, Ghair muqalids do taqleed of Imams [rah] here,
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Action # 27: Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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The action of saying Takbeer e Tahrima loudly in salah and muqtadis should say it silently is no where present in any hadith. Ghair muqalids again follow a fiqh and Imams [rah] here, or should I say follow them without it being in the hadith even
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Action # 28 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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In salah Imam says Salam alound in the end and muqtadis should say it silently is no where present in any hadith. Ghair muqalids again follow a fiqh and Imams [rah] here, or should I say follow them without it being in the hadith even
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Action # 29 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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The Tasbehaats of Rukho Sajda should be read silently, this again is derived from fiqhs of ahlus sunnah, Ghair muqalids [salafis] follow a fiqh here again, and interrestingly this isn't proved from a single hadith too, Why do shirk again if act is not proved from hadiths ?


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Action # 30: Done by ghair muqalids against hadiths in taqlid of four imams [rah]
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The sunnah salah is read alone not in a jammah behind imam, This act is again a fiqh issue, Ghair muqalids follow a fiqh on this issue, there is no hadith regarding this issue too, Again following Imams [rah] in an act not proved from hadiths.
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Action # 31 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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In Salah of fajr , magrib , Esa the muqtadi saying ameen loudly and not saying it in Zuhr salah is again not in any hadith. This is practised by ghair muqalids and they again follow fiqh on this issue
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Action # 32 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith
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The issue of whether a salah is valid or not if a muslim fails to read Sana'h and Tawooz in salah, this again is not present in any hadith its an issue of Fiqh. Ghair muqalids follow an Imam [rah] in this case as well inspite of the fact that its no where in any hadith.
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Action # 33 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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Where should the hands be places during Two sajahs [prostrations] in a salah. This is no where proved or found in any hadith, Ghair muqalids like Muqalids of Ahlus sunnah do Taqlid of imams [rah] on this issue in salah as well.
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Action # 34 : Done by ghair muqalids against hadiths in taqlid of four imams [rah]
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The conditions of making a salah valid which ghair muqalids follow blindly is not present in a single hadith. They copied it from Hanafi fiqh and do taqlid of Hanafi fiqh on this issue even if its not in a single hadith. Why isn't this shirk for them now ?


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Action # 35 :Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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When Ghair muqalids make niyah/intentions of salah this is found in not a single hadith. THey follow fiqhs of ahlus sunnah again on this issue and do taqlid of Imams [rah]. No where its in any hadith why they do such an act if its not proved from hadith ? isn't it shirk as well
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Action # 36 :Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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The arrangement in Janaza Salah practised by Ghair muqalids is against no where found in any hadith.
,
Which means after first Takbeer to read
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► Sana'h
,
► Taooz
,
► Tasmiya
,
► Fatiha than next Rakah
,
After second Takbeer to read Durood e Ibrahimi
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After third Takbeer to read 12-13 Duas together , This way of offering Janaza Salah is proved from no sahih hadith . Why do ghair muqalids offer janaza salah like this ,


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Action # 37 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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Not to make Dua after reading Farz Salah which is done by ghair muqalids is a new innovation of modern times, its no where proved from a single Sahih or even mawdo hadith
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Action # 38 : Done by ghair muqalids/wahabis/salafis with no proof from a single hadith,
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during salat putting their one hand on another and hold their elbows,this is a biddat,Prophet MUHAMMAD saw never did it, I am talking about Elbows not forearms


Read Saheeh Bukhari and see the proofs yourself and donot fool yourself falling into baseless propaganda.
 

Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
I donot know that as i donot live in past but what is more important is that Alhamdullilah Allah made me muslim and I am trying to be on the deen of the prophet (pbuh) without any addition and subtractions as its the case of most of the ppl around us these days.
Allah(swt) can spread his words/deen from Kufars if He wish (e.g. Allah used Fero for up bringing Moses (pbuh)). The important thing is are we on islam :the deen of the prophet (pbuh)?

Nobody lives in past but good you got my point. You think additions and subtractions while your najdis are additions.

 

Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
Read Saheeh Bukhari and see the proofs yourself and donot fool yourself falling into baseless propaganda.

You tell us if you have answer. I read but didnt find. I know you have no answer. Najdis are told in Hadees. I will tell you that also.

The Chapter of Faith of Sahih Muslim

0084 It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah observed: There have come the people of Yemen; they are tender of hearts, the belief is that of the Yemenites, the understanding (of the faith) is that of the Yemenites and sagacity is that of the Yemenites.

0085 Abu Huraira reported the same hadith which is transmitted to us by another chain of transmitters, e. g. Muhammad b. al-Muthanna, Ishaq b. Yusuf Azraq, Ibn 'Aun, etc.

0086 Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace and blessings be upon him) observed: There came to you the people from Yemen; they are tender of hearts and mild of feelings, the understanding is Yemenite, the sagacity is Yemenite.

0087 It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace and blessings be upon him) remarked: The summit of unbelief is towards the East and the pride and conceitedness is found among the owners of horses and camels who are rude and uncivil, people of the tents, and tranquillity is found among those who rear goats and sheep.

0088 It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace and blessings be upon him) observed: The belief is among the Yemenites, and the unbelief is towards the East, and tranquillity is among those who rear goats and sheep, and pride and simulation is among the uncivil and rude owners of horses and camels.

0089 It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira: I heard the Messenger of Allah saying this: Pride and conceitedness is found among the uncivil owners of the camels and tranquillity is found among the owners of sheep and goats.

0090 The same hadith has been narrated by Zuhri with the same chain of authorities with the addition: The belief is among the Yemenites, the sagacity is that of the Yemenites.

0091 Abu Huraira said: I heard the Prophet (may peace and blessings be upon him) saying: There came the people of Yemen, they are tender of feelings and meek of hearts. The belief is that of the Yemenites, the sagacity is that of the Yemenites, the tranquillity is among the owners of goats and sheep, and pride and conceitedness is among the uncivil owners of the camels, the people of the tents in the direction of sunrise.

0094 Shu'ba narrated the hadith as reported by Jarir with the same chain of narrators with this addition: Pride and conceitedness is among the owners of the camels and tranquillity and sobriety is found amongst the owners of sheep.

0095 It is reported on the authority of Jabir b. Abdullah that the Messenger of Allah (may peace and, blessings be upon him) observed: The callousness of heart and sternness is in the East and faith is among the people of the Hijaz.



'The Chapter of Zakat (Kitab Al-Zakat)' of Sahih Muslim

2335 Abu Dharr reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Verily there would arise from my Ummah after me or soon after me a group (of people) who would recite the Qar'an, but it would not go beyond their throats, and they would pass clean through their religion just as the arrow passes through the prey, and they would never come back to it. They would be the worst among the creation and the creatures. Ibn Samit (one of the narrators) said: I met Rafi' b. 'Amr Ghifari, the brother of Al-Hakam Ghifari and I said: What is this hadith that I heard from Abu Dharr, i. e. so and so? -and then I narrated that hadith to him and said: I heard it from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him).

2336 Yusair b. 'Amr reported that he inquired of Sahl b. Hunaif: Did you hear the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) making a mention of the Khwarij? He said: I heard him say (and he pointed with his hand towards the east) that these would be a people who would recite the Qur'an with their tongues and it would not go beyond their collar bones. They would pass clean through their religion just as the arrow passes through the prey.

2337 This hadith had been transmitted by Sulaiman Shaibani with the same chain of narrators (and the words are)," There would arise out of (this group) many a group"

2338 Sahl b. Hunaif reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: There would arise from the east a people with shaven heads.


Sahih Bukhari Chapter 88

212 Narrated Salim's father: The Prophet stood up beside the pulpit (and pointed with his finger towards the East) and said, "Afflictions are there! Afflictions are there, from where the side of the head of Satan comes out," or said, "..the side of the sun.."

213 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: I heard Allah's Apostle while he was facing the East, saying, "Verily! Afflictions are there, from where the side of the head of Satan comes out."

214 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: The Prophet said, "O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen." The People said, "And also on our Najd." He said, "O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham (north)! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen." The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! And also on our Najd." I think the third time the Prophet said, "There (in Najd) is the place of earthquakes and afflictions and from there comes out the side of the head of Satan."


Malik Muwatta

Book 54:
Malik related to me from Abdullah ibn Dinar that Abdullah ibn Umar said, "I saw the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, pointing at the east and saying, 'The cause of dissension is here. The cause of dissension is here, from where the helpers of shaytan arise.' "

Book 54:
Malik related to me from Abu'z-Zinad from al-Araj from Abu Hurayra that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "The head of kufr is towards the east. Boasting and price is among people who have horses and camels. The loud-voiced people are the people of tents (the Bedouins). Tranquillity is with the people who have sheep."


I will tell you some more Hadees which clear about Mudar and Rabia tribe and there subtribes like Bani Tamim. You want me to tell which Wahabee is from subtribe of Mudar or you find will yourself.


Sahih Bukhari chapter 55 number 600

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "O Allah! Save Aiyyash bin Abi Rabia (from the unjust treatment of the infidels). O Allah! Save Salama bin Hisham. O Allah! Send your Punishment on (the tribe of) Mudar. O Allah! Let them suffer from years (of drought) similar to that inflicted during the life-time of Joseph."


Sahih Bukhari chapter 56 number 702

Narrated Abi Mas'ud: The Prophet said, "From this side from the east, afflictions will appear. Rudeness and lack of mercy are characteristics of the rural bedouins who are busy with their camels and cows (and pay no attention to religion). Such are the tribes of Rabi'a and Mudar."


Sahih Bukhari chapter 56 number 719

Narrated Abu Bakra: Al-Aqra' bin Habis said to the Prophet "Nobody gave you the pledge of allegiance but the robbers of the pilgrims (i.e. those who used to rob the pilgrims) from the tribes of Aslam, Ghifar, Muzaina." (Ibn Abi Ya'qub is in doubt whether Al-Aqra' added. 'And Juhaina.') The Prophet said, "Don't you think that the tribes of Aslam, Ghifar, Muzaina (and also perhaps) Juhaina are better than the tribes of Bani Tamim, Bani Amir, Asad, and Ghatafan?" Somebody said, "They were unsuccessful and losers!" The Prophet said, "Yes, by Him in Whose Hands my life is, they (i.e. the former) are better than they (i.e. the latter)." Abu Huraira said, "(The Prophet said), '(The people of) Bani Aslam, Ghifar and some people of Muzaina (or some people of Juhaina or Muzaina) are better in Allah's Sight (or on the Day of Resurrection) than the tribes of Asad, Tamim, Hawazin and Ghatafan.' "


Sahih Bukhari chapter 54 number 413

Narrated 'Imran bin Husain: Some people of Bani Tamim came to the Prophet and he said (to them), "O Bani Tamim! rejoice with glad tidings." They said, "You have given us glad tidings, now give us something." On hearing that the color of his face changed then the people of Yemen came to him and he said, "O people of Yemen ! Accept the good tidings, as Bani Tamim has refused them." The Yemenites said, "We accept them. Then the Prophet started taking about the beginning of creation and about Allah's Throne. In the mean time a man came saying, "O 'Imran! Your she-camel has run away!'' (I got up and went away), but l wish I had not left that place (for I missed what Allah's Apostle had said).


Sahih Muslim chapter 1 number 83

It is narrated on the authority of Ibn Mas'ud that the Apostle of Allah (may peace and blessings be upon him) pointed towards Yemen with his hand and said: Verily Iman is towards this side, and harshness and callousness of the hearts is found amongst the rude owners of the camels who drive them behind their tails (to the direction) where emerge the two horns of Satan, they are the tribes of Rabi'a and Mudar.




Many a times we meet ignorant wahabis in life who say that NAJD is Iraq. This statement ensures that the person has been reading Wahabi FABRICATED materials and has been brain washed by the wahabi speakers.

If one does not have interest in reading , please analyse these evidence.

FIRST PROOF

The etymological sense of the Arabic word najd, which means ‘high ground’. Again, a brief consultation of an atlas resolves this matter decisively. With the exception of present-day northern Iraq, which was not considered part of Iraq by any Muslim until the present century (it was called ‘al-Jazira’), Iraq is notably flat and low-lying, much of it even today being marshland, while the remainder, up to and well to the north of Baghdad, is flat, low desert or agricultural land. Najd, by contrast, is mostly plateau, culminating in peaks such as Jabal Tayyi’ (1300 metres), in the Jabal Shammar range.


SECOND PROOF


Medieval Islamic geographers contest this inherently strange thesis (see for instance Ibn Khurradadhbih, al-Masalik wa’l-mamalik [Leiden, 1887], 125; Ibn Hawqal, Kitab Surat al-ard [Beirut, 1968],18); and limit the northern extent of Najd at Wadi al-Rumma, or to the deserts to the south of al-Mada’in. There is no indication that the places in which the second wave of sedition arose, such as Kufa and Basra, were associated in the mind of the first Muslims with the term ‘Najd’. On the contrary, these places are in every case identified as lying within the land of Iraq.


THIRD PROOF


Even the briefest glimpse at a modern atlas will show that a straight line drawn to the east of al-Madina al-Munawwara does not pass anywhere near Iraq, but passes some distance to the south of Riyadh; that is to say, through the exact centre of Najd. The hadiths which speak of ‘the East’ in this context hence support the view that Najd is indicated, not Iraq.


The coordinates of Medinah is 2433N 03942E.
Najd/Riyadh is 2443N 04644E
Notice almost the same latitude of Najd/Riyadh and Medinah - i.e. 24xx.
The latitude of the towns in Iraq are 3040N (Basrah) and 3340N (Baghad).
Therefore Iraq is North or North-North East of Medinah rather East

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FOURTH PROOF


Here is a clear proof that our beloved prophet CLEARLY meant , knew and told that NAJD is DIFFERENT FROM IRAQ. Please Analyse this

Confirmation of this identification is easily located in the hadith literature, which contains numerous references to Najd, all of which clearly denote Central Arabia. To take a few examples out of many dozens: there is the hadith narrated by Abu Daud (Salat al-Safar, 15), which runs: ‘We went out to Najd with Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) until we arrived at Dhat al-Riqa‘, where he met a group from Ghatafan [a Najdite tribe].’ In Tirmidhi (Hajj, 57), there is the record of an encounter between the Messenger (s.w.s.) and a Najdi delegation which he received at Arafa (see also Ibn Maja, Manasik, 57). In no such case does the Sunna indicate that Iraq was somehow included in the Prophetic definition of ‘Najd’.


Further evidence can be cited from the cluster of hadiths which identify the miqat points for pilgrims. In a hadith narrated by Imam Nasa’i (Manasik al-Hajj, 22), ‘A’isha (r.a.) declared that ‘Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) established the miqat for the people of Madina at Dhu’l-Hulayfa, for the people of Syria and Egypt at al-Juhfa, for the people of Iraq at Dhat Irq, and for the people of Najd at Qarn, and for the Yemenis at Yalamlam.’ Imam Muslim (Hajj, 2) narrates a similar hadith: ‘for the people of Madina it is Dhu’l-Hulayfa - while on the other road it is al-Juhfa - for the people of Iraq it is Dhat Irq, for the people of Najd it is Qarn, and for the people of Yemen it is Yalamlam.’

Book 007, Number 2666: Sahih Muslim

Abu Zubair heard Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) as saying as he was asked about (the place for entering upon the) state of Ihram: I heard (and I think he carried it directly to the Apostle of Allah) him saying: For the people of Medina Dhu'l-Hulaifa is the place for entering upon the state of Ihram, and for (the people coming through the other way, i. e. Syria) it is Juhfa; for the people of Iraq it is Dbat al-'Irq; for the people uf Najd it is Qarn (al-Manazil) and for the people of Yemen it is Yalamlam.


The following hadith is from Sahih Bukhari:
Narrated ‘Abdullah bin Dinar:
Ibn ‘Umar said, “The Prophet fixed Qarn as the Miqat (for assuming the Ihram) for the people of Najd, and Al-Juhfa for the people of Sham, and Dhul-Hulaifa for the people of Medina.” Ibn ‘Umar added, “I heard this from the Prophet, and I have been informed that the Prophet said, ‘The Miqat for the Yemenites is Yalamlam.’ “When Iraq was mentioned, he said, “At that time it was not a Muslim country.” [Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 92, Number 443]

Najd in the Hadith

There are many hadiths in which the Messenger (s.w.s.) praised particular lands. It is significant that although Najd is the closest of lands to Makka and Madina, it is not praised by any one of these hadiths. The first hadith cited above shows the Messenger’s willingness to pray for Syria and Yemen, and his insistent refusal to pray for Najd. And wherever Najd is mentioned, it is clearly seen as a problematic territory. Consider, for instance, the following noble hadith:

Amr ibn Abasa said: ‘Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) was one day reviewing the horses, in the company of Uyayna ibn Hisn ibn Badr al-Fazari. [...] Uyayna remarked: “The best of men are those who bear their swords on their shoulders, and carry their lances in the woven stocks of their horses, wearing cloaks, and are the people of the Najd.” But Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) replied: “You lie! Rather, the best of men are the men of the Yemen. Faith is a Yemeni, the Yemen of [the tribes of] Lakhm and Judham and Amila. [...] Hadramawt is better than the tribe of Harith; one tribe is better than another; another is worse [...] My Lord commanded me to curse Quraysh, and I cursed them, but he then commanded me to bless them twice, and I did so [...] Aslam and Ghifar, and their associates of Juhaina, are better than Asad and Tamim and Ghatafan and Hawazin, in the sight of Allah on the Day of Rising. [...] The most numerous tribe in the Garden shall be [the Yemeni tribes of] Madhhij and Ma’kul.’ (Ahmad ibn Hanbal and al-Tabarani, by sound narrators. Cited in Ali ibn Abu Bakr al-Haythami, Majma‘ al-zawa’id wa manba‘ al-fawa’id [Cairo, 1352], X, 43).

But other hadiths in praise of other lands abound. For instance:

Umm Salama narrated that Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) gave the following counsel on his deathbed: ‘By Allah, I adjure you by Him, concerning the Egyptians, for you shall be victorious over them, and they will be a support for you and helpers in Allah’s path.’ (Tabarani, classed by al-Haythami as sahih [Majma‘, X, 63].) (For more on the merit of the Egyptians see Sahih Muslim, commentary by Imam al-Nawawi [Cairo, 1347], XVI, 96-7.)

Qays ibn Sa‘d narrated that Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) said: ‘Were faith to be suspended from the Pleiades, men from the sons of Faris [south-central Iran] would reach it.’ (Narrated in the Musnads of both Abu Ya‘la and al-Bazzar, classified as Sahih by al-Haythami. Majma‘, X, 64-5. See further Nawawi’s commentary to Sahih Muslim, XVI, 100.)

Allah’s Messenger said: ‘Tranquillity (sakina) is in the people of the Hijaz.’ (al-Bazzar, cited in Haythami, X, 53.)

On the authority of Abu’l-Darda (r.a.), the Messenger of Allah (s.w.s.) said: ‘You will find armies. An army in Syria, in Egypt, in Iraq and in the Yemen.’ (Bazzar and Tabarani, classified as sahih: al-Haythami, Majma‘, X, 58.) This constitutes praise for these lands as homes of jihad volunteers.

‘The angels of the All-Compassionate spread their wings over Syria.’ (Tabarani, classed as sahih: Majma‘, X, 60. See also Tirmidhi, commentary of Imam Muhammad ibn Abd al-Rahman al-Mubarakfuri: Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi bi-sharh Jami‘ al-Tirmidhi, X, 454; who confirms it as hasan sahih.)

Abu Hurayra narrated that Allah’s Messenger (s) said: ‘The people of Yemen have come to you. They are tenderer of heart, and more delicate of soul. Faith is a Yemeni, and wisdom is a Yemeni.’ (Tirmidhi, Fi fadl al-Yaman, no.4028. Mubarakfuri, X, 435, 437: hadith hasan sahih. On page 436 Imam Mubarakfuri points out that the ancestors of the Ansar were from the Yemen.)

‘The people of the Yemen are the best people on earth’. (Abu Ya‘la and Bazzar, classified as sahih. Haythami, X, 54-5.)

Allah’s Messenger (s) sent a man to one of the clans of the Arabs, but they insulted and beat him. He came to Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) and told him what had occurred. And the Messenger (s) said, ‘Had you gone to the people of Oman, they would not have insulted or beaten you.’ (Muslim, Fada’il al-Sahaba, 57. See Nawawi’s commentary, XVI, 98: ‘this indicates praise for them, and their merit.’)

The above hadiths are culled from a substantial corpus of material which records the Messenger (s.w.s.) praising neighbouring regions. Again, it is striking that although Najd was closer than any other, hadiths in praise of it are completely absent.

This fact is generally known, although not publicised, by Najdites themselves. It is clear that if there existed a single hadith that names and praises Najd, they would let the Umma know. In an attempt to circumvent or neutralise the explicit and implicit Prophetic condemnation of their province, some refuse to consider that the territorial hadiths might be in any way worthy of attention, and focus their comments on the tribal groupings who dwell in Najd.

A further hadith concerning Tamim runs as follows:

On the authority of Imran ibn Husayn (r.a.): ‘A group of Tamimites came to the Prophet (s.w.s.), and he said: “O tribe of Tamim! Receive good news!” “You promise us good news, so give us something [money]!” they replied. And his face changed. Then some Yemenis came, and he said: “O people of Yemen! Accept good news, even though the tribe of Tamim have not accepted it!” And they said: “We accept.” And the Prophet (s.w.s.) began to speak about the beginning of creation, and about the Throne.’ (Bukhari, Bab al-Khalq, 1.)

The harsh waywardness of the Tamimi mentality documented in the Qur’an and Hadith casts an interesting light on the personality of Abu Jahl, the arch-pagan leader of Quraysh. Abu Jahl, with his fanatical hatred of the Prophet (s.w.s.), must have been shaped by the Tamimi ethic in his childhood. His mother, Asma’ bint Mukharriba, was of the tribe of Tamim. (al-Jumahi, Tabaqat Fuhul al-Shu‘ara, ed. Mahmud Shakir [Cairo, 1952], p.123.) He also married the daughter of ‘Umayr ibn Ma‘bad al-Tamimi, by whom he had his son, predictably named Tamim. (Mus‘ab ibn Abdallah, Nasab Quraysh [Cairo, 1953], p.312.)

An attribute recurrently ascribed to the Tamimites in the hadith literature is that of misplaced zeal. When they finally enter Islam, they are associated with a fanatical form of piety that demands simple and rigid adherence, rather than understanding; and which frequently defies the established authorities of the religion. Imam Muslim records a narration from Abdallah ibn Shaqiq which runs: ‘Ibn Abbas once preached to us after the asr prayer, until the sun set and the stars appeared, and people began to say: “The prayer! The prayer!” A man of the Banu Tamim came up to him and said, constantly and insistently: “The prayer! The prayer!” And Ibn Abbas replied: “Are you teaching me the sunna, you wretch?”’ (Muslim, Salat al-Musafirin, 6.)



 

basim973

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Read Saheeh Bukhari and see the proofs yourself and donot fool yourself falling into baseless propaganda.

My brother is confused and stuck in a propaganda.
Please, watch following and all the parts patiently. The man is showing all the proofs (of course you can write down these and check if available online or physically from the market, after all its a very important issue, as what if you got it wrong the consequences are serious).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EXTiAagL2s

May Allah (SWT) guide us all (Ameen)
 

basim973

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
You tell us if you have answer. I read but didnt find. I know you have no answer. Najdis are told in Hadees. I will tell you that also.

The Chapter of Faith of Sahih Muslim

0084 It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah observed: There have come the people of Yemen; they are tender of hearts, the belief is that of the Yemenites, the understanding (of the faith) is that of the Yemenites and sagacity is that of the Yemenites.

0085 Abu Huraira reported the same hadith which is transmitted to us by another chain of transmitters, e. g. Muhammad b. al-Muthanna, Ishaq b. Yusuf Azraq, Ibn 'Aun, etc.

0086 Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace and blessings be upon him) observed: There came to you the people from Yemen; they are tender of hearts and mild of feelings, the understanding is Yemenite, the sagacity is Yemenite.

0087 It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace and blessings be upon him) remarked: The summit of unbelief is towards the East and the pride and conceitedness is found among the owners of horses and camels who are rude and uncivil, people of the tents, and tranquillity is found among those who rear goats and sheep.

0088 It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace and blessings be upon him) observed: The belief is among the Yemenites, and the unbelief is towards the East, and tranquillity is among those who rear goats and sheep, and pride and simulation is among the uncivil and rude owners of horses and camels.

0089 It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira: I heard the Messenger of Allah saying this: Pride and conceitedness is found among the uncivil owners of the camels and tranquillity is found among the owners of sheep and goats.

0090 The same hadith has been narrated by Zuhri with the same chain of authorities with the addition: The belief is among the Yemenites, the sagacity is that of the Yemenites.

0091 Abu Huraira said: I heard the Prophet (may peace and blessings be upon him) saying: There came the people of Yemen, they are tender of feelings and meek of hearts. The belief is that of the Yemenites, the sagacity is that of the Yemenites, the tranquillity is among the owners of goats and sheep, and pride and conceitedness is among the uncivil owners of the camels, the people of the tents in the direction of sunrise.

0094 Shu'ba narrated the hadith as reported by Jarir with the same chain of narrators with this addition: Pride and conceitedness is among the owners of the camels and tranquillity and sobriety is found amongst the owners of sheep.

0095 It is reported on the authority of Jabir b. Abdullah that the Messenger of Allah (may peace and, blessings be upon him) observed: The callousness of heart and sternness is in the East and faith is among the people of the Hijaz.



'The Chapter of Zakat (Kitab Al-Zakat)' of Sahih Muslim

2335 Abu Dharr reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Verily there would arise from my Ummah after me or soon after me a group (of people) who would recite the Qar'an, but it would not go beyond their throats, and they would pass clean through their religion just as the arrow passes through the prey, and they would never come back to it. They would be the worst among the creation and the creatures. Ibn Samit (one of the narrators) said: I met Rafi' b. 'Amr Ghifari, the brother of Al-Hakam Ghifari and I said: What is this hadith that I heard from Abu Dharr, i. e. so and so? -and then I narrated that hadith to him and said: I heard it from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him).

2336 Yusair b. 'Amr reported that he inquired of Sahl b. Hunaif: Did you hear the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) making a mention of the Khwarij? He said: I heard him say (and he pointed with his hand towards the east) that these would be a people who would recite the Qur'an with their tongues and it would not go beyond their collar bones. They would pass clean through their religion just as the arrow passes through the prey.

2337 This hadith had been transmitted by Sulaiman Shaibani with the same chain of narrators (and the words are)," There would arise out of (this group) many a group"

2338 Sahl b. Hunaif reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: There would arise from the east a people with shaven heads.


Sahih Bukhari Chapter 88

212 Narrated Salim's father: The Prophet stood up beside the pulpit (and pointed with his finger towards the East) and said, "Afflictions are there! Afflictions are there, from where the side of the head of Satan comes out," or said, "..the side of the sun.."

213 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: I heard Allah's Apostle while he was facing the East, saying, "Verily! Afflictions are there, from where the side of the head of Satan comes out."

214 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: The Prophet said, "O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen." The People said, "And also on our Najd." He said, "O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham (north)! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen." The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! And also on our Najd." I think the third time the Prophet said, "There (in Najd) is the place of earthquakes and afflictions and from there comes out the side of the head of Satan."


Malik Muwatta

Book 54:
Malik related to me from Abdullah ibn Dinar that Abdullah ibn Umar said, "I saw the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, pointing at the east and saying, 'The cause of dissension is here. The cause of dissension is here, from where the helpers of shaytan arise.' "

Book 54:
Malik related to me from Abu'z-Zinad from al-Araj from Abu Hurayra that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "The head of kufr is towards the east. Boasting and price is among people who have horses and camels. The loud-voiced people are the people of tents (the Bedouins). Tranquillity is with the people who have sheep."


I will tell you some more Hadees which clear about Mudar and Rabia tribe and there subtribes like Bani Tamim. You want me to tell which Wahabee is from subtribe of Mudar or you find will yourself.


Sahih Bukhari chapter 55 number 600

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "O Allah! Save Aiyyash bin Abi Rabia (from the unjust treatment of the infidels). O Allah! Save Salama bin Hisham. O Allah! Send your Punishment on (the tribe of) Mudar. O Allah! Let them suffer from years (of drought) similar to that inflicted during the life-time of Joseph."


Sahih Bukhari chapter 56 number 702

Narrated Abi Mas'ud: The Prophet said, "From this side from the east, afflictions will appear. Rudeness and lack of mercy are characteristics of the rural bedouins who are busy with their camels and cows (and pay no attention to religion). Such are the tribes of Rabi'a and Mudar."


Sahih Bukhari chapter 56 number 719

Narrated Abu Bakra: Al-Aqra' bin Habis said to the Prophet "Nobody gave you the pledge of allegiance but the robbers of the pilgrims (i.e. those who used to rob the pilgrims) from the tribes of Aslam, Ghifar, Muzaina." (Ibn Abi Ya'qub is in doubt whether Al-Aqra' added. 'And Juhaina.') The Prophet said, "Don't you think that the tribes of Aslam, Ghifar, Muzaina (and also perhaps) Juhaina are better than the tribes of Bani Tamim, Bani Amir, Asad, and Ghatafan?" Somebody said, "They were unsuccessful and losers!" The Prophet said, "Yes, by Him in Whose Hands my life is, they (i.e. the former) are better than they (i.e. the latter)." Abu Huraira said, "(The Prophet said), '(The people of) Bani Aslam, Ghifar and some people of Muzaina (or some people of Juhaina or Muzaina) are better in Allah's Sight (or on the Day of Resurrection) than the tribes of Asad, Tamim, Hawazin and Ghatafan.' "


Sahih Bukhari chapter 54 number 413

Narrated 'Imran bin Husain: Some people of Bani Tamim came to the Prophet and he said (to them), "O Bani Tamim! rejoice with glad tidings." They said, "You have given us glad tidings, now give us something." On hearing that the color of his face changed then the people of Yemen came to him and he said, "O people of Yemen ! Accept the good tidings, as Bani Tamim has refused them." The Yemenites said, "We accept them. Then the Prophet started taking about the beginning of creation and about Allah's Throne. In the mean time a man came saying, "O 'Imran! Your she-camel has run away!'' (I got up and went away), but l wish I had not left that place (for I missed what Allah's Apostle had said).


Sahih Muslim chapter 1 number 83

It is narrated on the authority of Ibn Mas'ud that the Apostle of Allah (may peace and blessings be upon him) pointed towards Yemen with his hand and said: Verily Iman is towards this side, and harshness and callousness of the hearts is found amongst the rude owners of the camels who drive them behind their tails (to the direction) where emerge the two horns of Satan, they are the tribes of Rabi'a and Mudar.




Many a times we meet ignorant wahabis in life who say that NAJD is Iraq. This statement ensures that the person has been reading Wahabi FABRICATED materials and has been brain washed by the wahabi speakers.

If one does not have interest in reading , please analyse these evidence.

FIRST PROOF

The etymological sense of the Arabic word najd, which means ‘high ground’. Again, a brief consultation of an atlas resolves this matter decisively. With the exception of present-day northern Iraq, which was not considered part of Iraq by any Muslim until the present century (it was called ‘al-Jazira’), Iraq is notably flat and low-lying, much of it even today being marshland, while the remainder, up to and well to the north of Baghdad, is flat, low desert or agricultural land. Najd, by contrast, is mostly plateau, culminating in peaks such as Jabal Tayyi’ (1300 metres), in the Jabal Shammar range.


SECOND PROOF


Medieval Islamic geographers contest this inherently strange thesis (see for instance Ibn Khurradadhbih, al-Masalik wa’l-mamalik [Leiden, 1887], 125; Ibn Hawqal, Kitab Surat al-ard [Beirut, 1968],18); and limit the northern extent of Najd at Wadi al-Rumma, or to the deserts to the south of al-Mada’in. There is no indication that the places in which the second wave of sedition arose, such as Kufa and Basra, were associated in the mind of the first Muslims with the term ‘Najd’. On the contrary, these places are in every case identified as lying within the land of Iraq.


THIRD PROOF


Even the briefest glimpse at a modern atlas will show that a straight line drawn to the east of al-Madina al-Munawwara does not pass anywhere near Iraq, but passes some distance to the south of Riyadh; that is to say, through the exact centre of Najd. The hadiths which speak of ‘the East’ in this context hence support the view that Najd is indicated, not Iraq.


The coordinates of Medinah is 2433N 03942E.
Najd/Riyadh is 2443N 04644E
Notice almost the same latitude of Najd/Riyadh and Medinah - i.e. 24xx.
The latitude of the towns in Iraq are 3040N (Basrah) and 3340N (Baghad).
Therefore Iraq is North or North-North East of Medinah rather East

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FOURTH PROOF


Here is a clear proof that our beloved prophet CLEARLY meant , knew and told that NAJD is DIFFERENT FROM IRAQ. Please Analyse this

Confirmation of this identification is easily located in the hadith literature, which contains numerous references to Najd, all of which clearly denote Central Arabia. To take a few examples out of many dozens: there is the hadith narrated by Abu Daud (Salat al-Safar, 15), which runs: ‘We went out to Najd with Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) until we arrived at Dhat al-Riqa‘, where he met a group from Ghatafan [a Najdite tribe].’ In Tirmidhi (Hajj, 57), there is the record of an encounter between the Messenger (s.w.s.) and a Najdi delegation which he received at Arafa (see also Ibn Maja, Manasik, 57). In no such case does the Sunna indicate that Iraq was somehow included in the Prophetic definition of ‘Najd’.


Further evidence can be cited from the cluster of hadiths which identify the miqat points for pilgrims. In a hadith narrated by Imam Nasa’i (Manasik al-Hajj, 22), ‘A’isha (r.a.) declared that ‘Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) established the miqat for the people of Madina at Dhu’l-Hulayfa, for the people of Syria and Egypt at al-Juhfa, for the people of Iraq at Dhat Irq, and for the people of Najd at Qarn, and for the Yemenis at Yalamlam.’ Imam Muslim (Hajj, 2) narrates a similar hadith: ‘for the people of Madina it is Dhu’l-Hulayfa - while on the other road it is al-Juhfa - for the people of Iraq it is Dhat Irq, for the people of Najd it is Qarn, and for the people of Yemen it is Yalamlam.’

Book 007, Number 2666: Sahih Muslim

Abu Zubair heard Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) as saying as he was asked about (the place for entering upon the) state of Ihram: I heard (and I think he carried it directly to the Apostle of Allah) him saying: For the people of Medina Dhu'l-Hulaifa is the place for entering upon the state of Ihram, and for (the people coming through the other way, i. e. Syria) it is Juhfa; for the people of Iraq it is Dbat al-'Irq; for the people uf Najd it is Qarn (al-Manazil) and for the people of Yemen it is Yalamlam.


The following hadith is from Sahih Bukhari:
Narrated ‘Abdullah bin Dinar:
Ibn ‘Umar said, “The Prophet fixed Qarn as the Miqat (for assuming the Ihram) for the people of Najd, and Al-Juhfa for the people of Sham, and Dhul-Hulaifa for the people of Medina.” Ibn ‘Umar added, “I heard this from the Prophet, and I have been informed that the Prophet said, ‘The Miqat for the Yemenites is Yalamlam.’ “When Iraq was mentioned, he said, “At that time it was not a Muslim country.” [Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 92, Number 443]

Najd in the Hadith

There are many hadiths in which the Messenger (s.w.s.) praised particular lands. It is significant that although Najd is the closest of lands to Makka and Madina, it is not praised by any one of these hadiths. The first hadith cited above shows the Messenger’s willingness to pray for Syria and Yemen, and his insistent refusal to pray for Najd. And wherever Najd is mentioned, it is clearly seen as a problematic territory. Consider, for instance, the following noble hadith:

Amr ibn Abasa said: ‘Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) was one day reviewing the horses, in the company of Uyayna ibn Hisn ibn Badr al-Fazari. [...] Uyayna remarked: “The best of men are those who bear their swords on their shoulders, and carry their lances in the woven stocks of their horses, wearing cloaks, and are the people of the Najd.” But Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) replied: “You lie! Rather, the best of men are the men of the Yemen. Faith is a Yemeni, the Yemen of [the tribes of] Lakhm and Judham and Amila. [...] Hadramawt is better than the tribe of Harith; one tribe is better than another; another is worse [...] My Lord commanded me to curse Quraysh, and I cursed them, but he then commanded me to bless them twice, and I did so [...] Aslam and Ghifar, and their associates of Juhaina, are better than Asad and Tamim and Ghatafan and Hawazin, in the sight of Allah on the Day of Rising. [...] The most numerous tribe in the Garden shall be [the Yemeni tribes of] Madhhij and Ma’kul.’ (Ahmad ibn Hanbal and al-Tabarani, by sound narrators. Cited in Ali ibn Abu Bakr al-Haythami, Majma‘ al-zawa’id wa manba‘ al-fawa’id [Cairo, 1352], X, 43).

But other hadiths in praise of other lands abound. For instance:

Umm Salama narrated that Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) gave the following counsel on his deathbed: ‘By Allah, I adjure you by Him, concerning the Egyptians, for you shall be victorious over them, and they will be a support for you and helpers in Allah’s path.’ (Tabarani, classed by al-Haythami as sahih [Majma‘, X, 63].) (For more on the merit of the Egyptians see Sahih Muslim, commentary by Imam al-Nawawi [Cairo, 1347], XVI, 96-7.)

Qays ibn Sa‘d narrated that Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) said: ‘Were faith to be suspended from the Pleiades, men from the sons of Faris [south-central Iran] would reach it.’ (Narrated in the Musnads of both Abu Ya‘la and al-Bazzar, classified as Sahih by al-Haythami. Majma‘, X, 64-5. See further Nawawi’s commentary to Sahih Muslim, XVI, 100.)

Allah’s Messenger said: ‘Tranquillity (sakina) is in the people of the Hijaz.’ (al-Bazzar, cited in Haythami, X, 53.)

On the authority of Abu’l-Darda (r.a.), the Messenger of Allah (s.w.s.) said: ‘You will find armies. An army in Syria, in Egypt, in Iraq and in the Yemen.’ (Bazzar and Tabarani, classified as sahih: al-Haythami, Majma‘, X, 58.) This constitutes praise for these lands as homes of jihad volunteers.

‘The angels of the All-Compassionate spread their wings over Syria.’ (Tabarani, classed as sahih: Majma‘, X, 60. See also Tirmidhi, commentary of Imam Muhammad ibn Abd al-Rahman al-Mubarakfuri: Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi bi-sharh Jami‘ al-Tirmidhi, X, 454; who confirms it as hasan sahih.)

Abu Hurayra narrated that Allah’s Messenger (s) said: ‘The people of Yemen have come to you. They are tenderer of heart, and more delicate of soul. Faith is a Yemeni, and wisdom is a Yemeni.’ (Tirmidhi, Fi fadl al-Yaman, no.4028. Mubarakfuri, X, 435, 437: hadith hasan sahih. On page 436 Imam Mubarakfuri points out that the ancestors of the Ansar were from the Yemen.)

‘The people of the Yemen are the best people on earth’. (Abu Ya‘la and Bazzar, classified as sahih. Haythami, X, 54-5.)

Allah’s Messenger (s) sent a man to one of the clans of the Arabs, but they insulted and beat him. He came to Allah’s Messenger (s.w.s.) and told him what had occurred. And the Messenger (s) said, ‘Had you gone to the people of Oman, they would not have insulted or beaten you.’ (Muslim, Fada’il al-Sahaba, 57. See Nawawi’s commentary, XVI, 98: ‘this indicates praise for them, and their merit.’)

The above hadiths are culled from a substantial corpus of material which records the Messenger (s.w.s.) praising neighbouring regions. Again, it is striking that although Najd was closer than any other, hadiths in praise of it are completely absent.

This fact is generally known, although not publicised, by Najdites themselves. It is clear that if there existed a single hadith that names and praises Najd, they would let the Umma know. In an attempt to circumvent or neutralise the explicit and implicit Prophetic condemnation of their province, some refuse to consider that the territorial hadiths might be in any way worthy of attention, and focus their comments on the tribal groupings who dwell in Najd.

A further hadith concerning Tamim runs as follows:

On the authority of Imran ibn Husayn (r.a.): ‘A group of Tamimites came to the Prophet (s.w.s.), and he said: “O tribe of Tamim! Receive good news!” “You promise us good news, so give us something [money]!” they replied. And his face changed. Then some Yemenis came, and he said: “O people of Yemen! Accept good news, even though the tribe of Tamim have not accepted it!” And they said: “We accept.” And the Prophet (s.w.s.) began to speak about the beginning of creation, and about the Throne.’ (Bukhari, Bab al-Khalq, 1.)

The harsh waywardness of the Tamimi mentality documented in the Qur’an and Hadith casts an interesting light on the personality of Abu Jahl, the arch-pagan leader of Quraysh. Abu Jahl, with his fanatical hatred of the Prophet (s.w.s.), must have been shaped by the Tamimi ethic in his childhood. His mother, Asma’ bint Mukharriba, was of the tribe of Tamim. (al-Jumahi, Tabaqat Fuhul al-Shu‘ara, ed. Mahmud Shakir [Cairo, 1952], p.123.) He also married the daughter of ‘Umayr ibn Ma‘bad al-Tamimi, by whom he had his son, predictably named Tamim. (Mus‘ab ibn Abdallah, Nasab Quraysh [Cairo, 1953], p.312.)

An attribute recurrently ascribed to the Tamimites in the hadith literature is that of misplaced zeal. When they finally enter Islam, they are associated with a fanatical form of piety that demands simple and rigid adherence, rather than understanding; and which frequently defies the established authorities of the religion. Imam Muslim records a narration from Abdallah ibn Shaqiq which runs: ‘Ibn Abbas once preached to us after the asr prayer, until the sun set and the stars appeared, and people began to say: “The prayer! The prayer!” A man of the Banu Tamim came up to him and said, constantly and insistently: “The prayer! The prayer!” And Ibn Abbas replied: “Are you teaching me the sunna, you wretch?”’ (Muslim, Salat al-Musafirin, 6.)



Many of the points from ur previous post about things in Namaz are answered in Saheeh Bukhari in the chapter of salat, i am sure u believe in the whole book and donot just use it to succeed your agenda only.
 

Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
Many of the points from ur previous post about things in Namaz are answered in Saheeh Bukhari in the chapter of salat, i am sure u believe in the whole book and donot just use it to succeed your agenda only.

I dont know which many points but tell about whole points and also I told about Hadees about najdis.
 

basim973

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
I dont know which many points but tell about whole points and also I told about Hadees about najdis.
Why you are so much efforting to put najdis label on other, why donot you put this label on yourself. From page three onwards you trying to escape where you need to actually do a little research (read through) and not just copy paste material from web sites without reading and understanding.

I am not talking about your arguments with me alone but with many other brothers.

I donot copy paste long stuff here just solid points, find answers not to win the arguments with me but to seek guidance from Allah (SWT).
1- WHo was the first sufi from the followers of the prophet(pubh).
2- Shiaism is not islam and sufism is not islam. Infact these two isms are close to each others.
3- Which Namaz you follow, where do you get that, give me proofs.
4- Donot try to put labels on ppl as an escape route from logical and knowledge base arguments.
5- Do a little research, what if you are wrong in your beliefs and claims? who are u going to believe or u wana find out after death, can you come back to correct ur beliefs after death?

I request you my dear brother, please do not try to avoid these questions get answers and seek help of Allah (SWT).

May Allah (SWT) make it easy for all of us.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Why you are so much efforting to put najdis label on other, why donot you put this label on yourself. From page three onwards you trying to escape where you need to actually do a little research (read through) and not just copy paste material from web sites without reading and understanding.

I am not talking about your arguments with me alone but with many other brothers.

I donot copy paste long stuff here just solid points, find answers not to win the arguments with me but to seek guidance from Allah (SWT).
1- WHo was the first sufi from the followers of the prophet(pubh).
2- Shiaism is not islam and sufism is not islam. Infact these two isms are close to each others.
3- Which Namaz you follow, where do you get that, give me proofs.
4- Donot try to put labels on ppl as an escape route from logical and knowledge base arguments.
5- Do a little research, what if you are wrong in your beliefs and claims? who are u going to believe or u wana find out after death, can you come back to correct ur beliefs after death?

I request you my dear brother, please do not try to avoid these questions get answers and seek help of Allah (SWT).

May Allah (SWT) make it easy for all of us.

http://www.seekingilm.com/books/wahhabite.pdf
 

basim973

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Think carefully on the following hadith:
((My ummah will be divided into seventy three sects. All of them will be in the Fire except one?)), [Saheeh Muslim, no.976]

Guniyat-ul-talbeen a book by Abdul Qadir Jilalni in his time a long ago, he mentions all different categories of muslims based on faith.
All those groups based on faith exist 2day but with different names.

Those who think all muslims are same and try to unit the ummah by saying all r right and not correct the wrongs as this might upset the wrongers........are fooling themselves.............
The hadith clearly says different group of muslims, hadith can not be wrong but the brains of whole world all in one can be wrong...............

read the following book carefully, we simple to follow

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2061202/Asli-Ahle-Sunnat-Abdullah-Bahawalpuri
pay attension

May Allah guide us all.
 
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cefspan

Minister (2k+ posts)
My question to u basim973 is :
Are naats and hamds also prohibited or qawalis eg Shahe Madina Yasrab ke wali banned according to your fatwah video?????
 

cefspan

Minister (2k+ posts)
I think u dont know much regarding Sufism .
Actually , I think u know nothing about sufism .
Do u know about Hazrat Data Ganj Baqsh or Khawja Moin ud deen Chisti????

Just tell me this , wether Listening naats and hamds is wrong or not , and if not , how is it not included in type of music???????
 
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