SUFI MUSIC ----- Whats the reality?

[sngilani]

I think we should now listen to this from Iqbal in which he is calling his 'God' and stop fighting :

 

[Pakistani1947]

Sufism is the height of completeness of Islam.

Dear SnGilani,

Would you mind letting us know, Why our beloved Prophet pbuh did not seek to reach to your so called "height of completeness of Islam"?

 

[sngilani]

Dear SnGilani,

Would you mind letting us know, Why our beloved Prophet pbuh did not seek to reach to your so called "height of completeness of Islam"?

He pbuh did seek. Do'nt you believe in Miraaj ?

 

[basim973]

No one is making it as Islam. I said Sufis also beleive to get closer to God in this life rather than getting closer to God only after death. This is in real sense 'the essence of Islam.' We should all remember God whether we eat, drink or sleep. This can actually protect us from sins. I am not saying here that we should not pray or fast or do Haj or give Zakat. Sufism starts where all these things complete. Sufism is the height of completeness of Islam.

islam got completed 1400 years ago. there is no chance for addition or subtraction from it. Sufiism is a new and different deen by taking few things from islam.........is that wat r u saying? Your last sentence is absolute non-sense. Islam is islam and got completed 1400 years ago. Not evey1 is fool to believe that.

 

[basim973]

I request all participants to not try becoming Allah nauzobillah.

May Allah guide us Ameen.

Have u lost a little bit sense left in you too?
What r u saying?

 

[Pakistani1947]

He pbuh did seek. Do'nt you believe in Miraaj ?

In other words, you are trying to prove the Sufis are capable of "Meraj" same as by our Prophet Muhammad pbuh?

 

[babadeena]

This Moulvi lost his sense, no head no tail, wandering here and there, what he wished to convey,
picking pieces from one place, putting them another place. Oh Man talk in straightway and
meaningful way. Is it sufism?

 

[Pakistani1947]

Re: SUFI BELIEVES ----- Quotes from the Sufi books

I do not see any response by any of Sufis in this forum to the following post. Do we assume that all Sufis on this forum have the same believes as quoted below with reference of their Sufi writers?

Sngilani, Could you please tell if you can justify your above SHIRKA statement that with Quraan and Hadeeth?. Tell me please why our Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not chose to be Sufi if these Sufis could attain such a high level that in your words " a place near to God where there is no difference remain between him and God" (Nauzobillah).

For your information, following are some quotes from the Sufi books (پڑھو اور سر دھنو).

I am superior to Prophets and I am higher in rank than they are.(Sheikh Mohiuddin Ibn-Arabi, Hadeeqa Sultania pg190)

I have denounced Islam. I believe this is incumbent on people. Allah is God sitting in the heavens, I am the God on earth. (Statement of Hussain bin Mansoor Hallaj, Khateeb Baghdadi Vol 8, Ibne Athir chapter 11:140)

Sheikh Imam Abul Hassan Noori was in the company of his disciples. The call to prayers came. The Sheikh said, “It is death.” Then a dog barked. The Sheikh replied, "Labbaik ya Sayyedi!" - Yes, O My Master!(Ibn-e-Jozi Talbees-e-Iblis pg 383)

My body has merged with the body of Rasulullah. Therefore, we are one. (Shah Waliullah, Anfasul Arifain)

In the assemblies of "URS" (communion of Sufi souls with God, literally, wedding with God), spirits of the dead Sufis come to dance around. (Mullah Abul Kalam Azad, the late Minister of Education in India. Iman-e-Khalis by Fazil ‘Uloom-e Deeniyah, Dr. Masooduddin Usmani pg 63)

Hazrat Dawood Jawarbi had seen Allah. When asked about Allah, he said, “Ask me not about His genitals and His beard. Ask about anything else.” (Al-Milil-wan-Nahil, Imam Shehristani 1:96).

There is none else worthy of worship. Come and worship me.(Mullah Jalaluddin Rumi, Mathnawi 4:52)

This morning Allah wrestled with me. He floored me because I am 2 years younger than He is. (Abul Hassan Kharqani, Fawaid Faridiya pg 78)

Alas! The Muslim fails to understand that Allah can be found only in idol worship. (Sufi Mahmood Shabistri, Sharah Gulshan-e-Raz pg 294)

Hanafis are people who are pacing toward Hellfire. The death anniversary of Imam Husain must be celebrated like the Festival of Eid. (“Piran-e-Pir
Dastgeer” - The Saint of saints, Holder of hands - Abdul Qadir Jeelani, Ghania- til-Talibain pg 190)

My foot is on the neck of every saint. So, I placed my foot on Hazrat Ali's neck. (Abdul Qadir Jeelani, Asrar-ul-Qadam pg 191)

I hate the God who does not appear as a dog or cat. (Ibn-Arabi, Khazeena Imaniyah pg 168)

Whenever Khwaja Maudood Chishti desired to see the Ka’bah, angels airlifted it to the land of Chisht in India. (Malfoozat Khwaja Qutubuddin Bukhtiar Kaki, Fariduddin Ganj Shakar).

One thousand years have gone and so has the time of Muhammad. Now it is my time, the time of Ahmad. The second millennium is mine.(Sheikh
Ahmad Sarhindi, the so-called “Mujaddid Alf-Sani”, Revivalist of the Second Millennium. (Mubda-wa-Ma’ad)

Khwaja Qutbuddin Maudood Chishti’s dead body flew in the air on its way to the graveyard. Khwaja Fareeduddin Ganj Shakar upon narrating this fell
unconscious. (Rahatil-Quloob, Ganj Shakar).

Adam cried for 300 years, so much so that birds made nests on his face. His tears brought forth so much grass that it covered his 60 meters long body. (Rahatul Muhibbeen c/o Ameer Khusro. Khwaja Nizamuddin Awlia)

If Awlia (saints) wish, they can accept invitations from 10,000 towns and be there at the same time. (Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi, Malfoozat part I pg 127)

When Shah Waliullah was in his mother’s womb, she said a prayer. Two tiny hands appeared from her belly for prayer. She was frightened. Her husband said, "You have Qutubul Aqtab (Saint of Saints) in your womb. (Mullah Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Hikayaat-e-Awlia pg 17).

Allah revealed Himself to me as an extremely beautiful, irresistible woman, adorned with fine ornaments and see-through garments. She suddenly embraced me and merged into my body. (Shah Waliullah, Anfasul Arifain pg 94-95).

The sun cannot rise before greeting me. The new year, the new month, the new day, cannot dawn without greeting me and informing me of every single event. (Malfoozat Ahmad Raza Barelwi about the exhumed ‘Ghaus Azam’ Abdul Qadir Jeelani)

Shah Waliullah believed in the Unity of Being. He believed that insects, animals, idols and human beings were all God. (Syed Farooq Al-Qadri, Anfasul Arifain)

Allah has only 99 virtuous names. I have more than 99, in fact 4000.(Shah Waliullah quoting his uncle, Anfasul Arifain pg 210)

Some people told Shah Abdur Raheem (Shah Waliullah’s father) that they were trying to find God. My father said, “I am He!” They stood up and shook hands. (Shah Waliullah quoting his uncle,Anfasul Arifain, pg 93). Why didn’t they prostrate?

God came to me in a cloak in the guise of an extremely beautiful woman. I became passionate and said, “Cast aside your cloak.” The response came, “The cloak is very thin. It reveals my beauty.” I insisted, upon which the cloak was lifted. (Quote of father and son, Shah Abdur Raheem & Shah Waliullah, Anfasul Arifain pg 94)

Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jeelani claimed: Allah has made me Eternal and has joined me with Him. He has given in my hand this world and the Hereafter and all Creation. (Jeelani, Malfoozat Fuyuz Yazdani, Fath-e-Rabb-ani, Majlis 51)

Prophet David and Prophet Muhammad pbuh both sinned because they saw the beauty of unclothed women. Then Uriah’s wife and Zaid’s wife became Haram (forbidden) for their husbands. (Ali Hajweri, alias “Daata Ganj Baksh,” the Giver of Treasures, Kalamil Marghoob pg 349)

Junaid Baghdadi said that Prophet Solomon was the illegitimate son of David from Uriah’s wife. Sheik Seereen wrote that Surah Ahzab of the Quran means to say that Muhammad (pbuh) was hiding the carnal love of Zainab (the wife of Zaid), in his heart. (Malfoozal Al-‘Asl pg 219)

A wife of the Prophet (pbuh) saw a male sparrow mounting the female sparrow. She challenged the Prophet. When the night set in, the Prophet mounted her in a most furious manner 90 times and said, “See! There is no deficiency here.” (Shamsuddin Akhlaqi, Manaqib-il-Arifain pg 70-71). We

Ba-Yazeed Bustami, supposedly the head of all saints, is quoted in his Malfoozat, the book of narratives:

- I am Glorious, the Ultimate, the Pure. My Glory is beyond description. (Nauzibilla)
- My Kingdom is greater than the Kingdom of God. (Nauzibilla)
- Allah is in my pocket. (Nauzibilla)
- My flag flies higher than the flag of Muhammad (pbuh). (Nauzibilla)
- I dived into the sea of Knowledge while the Prophets watched by the shore.

Ref: Ali Hajweri, “Daata Ganj Bakhsh,” in his Kashfil Mahjoob, pg 255-256 supports Ba-Yazeed Bustami's claim that he was God in human form.

Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri taught his disciples a different Kalema (Creed) “There is no god but Allah and Chishti is His Messenger.” (Khwaja Fareed-ud-Din Ganj Shakar, Fawaed-us-Saalikeen pg 126-127)

Now, what message is Sheikh Afeef-ud-Din Talmisani trying to convey when he says: The Quran is loaded with Shirk (idolatry, polytheism). True
Monotheism is that everything in the universe is God. (Malfoozat Talmisani pg 205)

It was right for the Pharaoh to say, “I am God”. He, of course, was a part of the Essence of God. (Malfoozat Talmisani pg 205)

Ibraheem Adham reached the Ka’bah in 14 years because he prayed two nawafil (units of physical prayer) at every step. But the Ka’bah was not there! A voice came from the heavens, "It has gone to visit Rabia Basri.” (Malfoozat Khwaja Uthman Harooni, Aneesul Arwah pg 17).

Ba-Yazid Bustami could take the soul of any person whenever he wanted. My uncle Abu Raza Muhammad, upon hearing this became very upset and said, “Ba-Yazid could not return the soul and restore life. I can take a soul and return it as I want.” Then my uncle took the soul of Rahmatullah Kafshdoze and brought him back to life. (Shah Waliullah, Anfasul Afrifain pg 95)

It is obligatory upon a mu’min (believer) that he quits eating and drinking. He must get weak to the point where he becomes unable to pray. (Sahl bin
Abdullah Tastari, Malfoozat Arabi pg 289)

Hazrat Sha’raani was the Sheikh of miracles. He resided in a meadow and used to visit the town riding a wolf. He walked on water. His urine was drinkable like pure milk. (Allama Tareshi’s excerpts, Misra’ Tasawwuf pg 194).

Jalaluddin Rumi never prayed. When the time for prayers came he used to vanish. At last, it was discovered that he used to pray in the Ka’bah -2000
miles away from Quniah, five times a day. (Khwaja Nizamuddin Awlia, Raahat-il-Quloob).

My uncle saw me create and destroy the universe. (Shah Waliullah, Afasul Arifain pg 210)

Once there was a Sheikh who used to grab a dog every day and put him on the prayer rug and said, “O dog, you are in the hands of God!” Those dogs then started walking on water and healed people by giving them Ta’weez (amulets). (Qutubuddin Bakhtiar Kaki, Malfoozat)

The dead body of a dervish was lying in a jungle laughing. I asked him, “You are dead. How can you laugh?” The dead body replied, “This is what happens in the love of Allah.” (Khwaja Ghareeb Nawaz, Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri, Malfoozat)

The Universe lies within Koh Qaaf (the Mount Caucasus). This mountain is 40 times bigger than the earth. A cow is holding it on its head.(Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti, Dalilul Arifain).

The people of Multan refused to provide fire to Shah Shams Tabrez for roasting meat. He became enraged, brought the sun down and roasted the meat. As people became restless with heat, they came to the saint and asked his forgiveness and then he ordered the sun to go back. Since that day, the town became known for its hot summers. (Ali Quli Baghdadi, Karamaat Shah Tabrez pg 233)

Ibraheem Adham was the governor of Balakh. While hunting, a deer turned back and scolded him. Since that day, Adham quit his throne and became a
saint. (“Daata” Ganj Bakhsh, the Giver of Treasures, Kalamil Marghoob pg 229)

When the companions went with the Prophet for Ghazwaat (battles), some of their wives had sex with other men. (Mullah Jalaluddin Rumi, Feeh-Ma-
Feeh, Saleem Chishti, Islami Tasawwuf pg 66).

There was a 140 year old worshipper. He had an amputated foot. When asked, he said, “I was in I’tikaaf (seclusion for worship in a Masjid). I stepped one foot out. An angel warned me, and I immediately cut off my foot with a knife.” (Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri in Malfoozat Uthman Harooni)

A man stole shrouds from graves for 40 years, but he went to the highest degree in Paradise.Why? Because he held on to the prayer rug (he prayed all the time). (Malfoozat Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri, by Khwaja Qutub Alam, Daleel Arifain)

 

[basim973]

Re: SUFI BELIEVES ----- Quotes from the Sufi books

Sngilani, Could you please tell if you can justify your above SHIRKA statement that with Quraan and Hadeeth?. Tell me please why our Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not chose to be Sufi if these Sufis could attain such a high level that in your words " a place near to God where there is no difference remain between him and God" (Nauzobillah).

For your information, following are some quotes from the Sufi books (پڑھو اور سر دھنو).

I am superior to Prophets and I am higher in rank than they are.(Sheikh Mohiuddin Ibn-Arabi, Hadeeqa Sultania pg190)

I have denounced Islam. I believe this is incumbent on people. Allah is God sitting in the heavens, I am the God on earth. (Statement of Hussain bin Mansoor Hallaj, Khateeb Baghdadi Vol 8, Ibne Athir chapter 11:140)

Sheikh Imam Abul Hassan Noori was in the company of his disciples. The call to prayers came. The Sheikh said, “It is death.” Then a dog barked. The Sheikh replied, "Labbaik ya Sayyedi!" - Yes, O My Master!(Ibn-e-Jozi Talbees-e-Iblis pg 383)

My body has merged with the body of Rasulullah. Therefore, we are one. (Shah Waliullah, Anfasul Arifain)

In the assemblies of "URS" (communion of Sufi souls with God, literally, wedding with God), spirits of the dead Sufis come to dance around. (Mullah Abul Kalam Azad, the late Minister of Education in India. Iman-e-Khalis by Fazil ‘Uloom-e Deeniyah, Dr. Masooduddin Usmani pg 63)

Hazrat Dawood Jawarbi had seen Allah. When asked about Allah, he said, “Ask me not about His genitals and His beard. Ask about anything else.” (Al-Milil-wan-Nahil, Imam Shehristani 1:96).

There is none else worthy of worship. Come and worship me.(Mullah Jalaluddin Rumi, Mathnawi 4:52)

This morning Allah wrestled with me. He floored me because I am 2 years younger than He is. (Abul Hassan Kharqani, Fawaid Faridiya pg 78)

Alas! The Muslim fails to understand that Allah can be found only in idol worship. (Sufi Mahmood Shabistri, Sharah Gulshan-e-Raz pg 294)

Hanafis are people who are pacing toward Hellfire. The death anniversary of Imam Husain must be celebrated like the Festival of Eid. (“Piran-e-Pir
Dastgeer” - The Saint of saints, Holder of hands - Abdul Qadir Jeelani, Ghania- til-Talibain pg 190)

My foot is on the neck of every saint. So, I placed my foot on Hazrat Ali's neck. (Abdul Qadir Jeelani, Asrar-ul-Qadam pg 191)

I hate the God who does not appear as a dog or cat. (Ibn-Arabi, Khazeena Imaniyah pg 168)

Whenever Khwaja Maudood Chishti desired to see the Ka’bah, angels airlifted it to the land of Chisht in India. (Malfoozat Khwaja Qutubuddin Bukhtiar Kaki, Fariduddin Ganj Shakar).

One thousand years have gone and so has the time of Muhammad. Now it is my time, the time of Ahmad. The second millennium is mine.(Sheikh
Ahmad Sarhindi, the so-called “Mujaddid Alf-Sani”, Revivalist of the Second Millennium. (Mubda-wa-Ma’ad)

Khwaja Qutbuddin Maudood Chishti’s dead body flew in the air on its way to the graveyard. Khwaja Fareeduddin Ganj Shakar upon narrating this fell
unconscious. (Rahatil-Quloob, Ganj Shakar).

Adam cried for 300 years, so much so that birds made nests on his face. His tears brought forth so much grass that it covered his 60 meters long body. (Rahatul Muhibbeen c/o Ameer Khusro. Khwaja Nizamuddin Awlia)

If Awlia (saints) wish, they can accept invitations from 10,000 towns and be there at the same time. (Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi, Malfoozat part I pg 127)

When Shah Waliullah was in his mother’s womb, she said a prayer. Two tiny hands appeared from her belly for prayer. She was frightened. Her husband said, "You have Qutubul Aqtab (Saint of Saints) in your womb. (Mullah Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Hikayaat-e-Awlia pg 17).

Allah revealed Himself to me as an extremely beautiful, irresistible woman, adorned with fine ornaments and see-through garments. She suddenly embraced me and merged into my body. (Shah Waliullah, Anfasul Arifain pg 94-95).

The sun cannot rise before greeting me. The new year, the new month, the new day, cannot dawn without greeting me and informing me of every single event. (Malfoozat Ahmad Raza Barelwi about the exhumed ‘Ghaus Azam’ Abdul Qadir Jeelani)

Shah Waliullah believed in the Unity of Being. He believed that insects, animals, idols and human beings were all God. (Syed Farooq Al-Qadri, Anfasul Arifain)

Allah has only 99 virtuous names. I have more than 99, in fact 4000.(Shah Waliullah quoting his uncle, Anfasul Arifain pg 210)

Some people told Shah Abdur Raheem (Shah Waliullah’s father) that they were trying to find God. My father said, “I am He!” They stood up and shook hands. (Shah Waliullah quoting his uncle,Anfasul Arifain, pg 93). Why didn’t they prostrate?

God came to me in a cloak in the guise of an extremely beautiful woman. I became passionate and said, “Cast aside your cloak.” The response came, “The cloak is very thin. It reveals my beauty.” I insisted, upon which the cloak was lifted. (Quote of father and son, Shah Abdur Raheem & Shah Waliullah, Anfasul Arifain pg 94)

Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jeelani claimed: Allah has made me Eternal and has joined me with Him. He has given in my hand this world and the Hereafter and all Creation. (Jeelani, Malfoozat Fuyuz Yazdani, Fath-e-Rabb-ani, Majlis 51)

Prophet David and Prophet Muhammad pbuh both sinned because they saw the beauty of unclothed women. Then Uriah’s wife and Zaid’s wife became Haram (forbidden) for their husbands. (Ali Hajweri, alias “Daata Ganj Baksh,” the Giver of Treasures, Kalamil Marghoob pg 349)

Junaid Baghdadi said that Prophet Solomon was the illegitimate son of David from Uriah’s wife. Sheik Seereen wrote that Surah Ahzab of the Quran means to say that Muhammad (pbuh) was hiding the carnal love of Zainab (the wife of Zaid), in his heart. (Malfoozal Al-‘Asl pg 219)

A wife of the Prophet (pbuh) saw a male sparrow mounting the female sparrow. She challenged the Prophet. When the night set in, the Prophet mounted her in a most furious manner 90 times and said, “See! There is no deficiency here.” (Shamsuddin Akhlaqi, Manaqib-il-Arifain pg 70-71). We

Ba-Yazeed Bustami, supposedly the head of all saints, is quoted in his Malfoozat, the book of narratives:

- I am Glorious, the Ultimate, the Pure. My Glory is beyond description. (Nauzibilla)
- My Kingdom is greater than the Kingdom of God. (Nauzibilla)
- Allah is in my pocket. (Nauzibilla)
- My flag flies higher than the flag of Muhammad (pbuh). (Nauzibilla)
- I dived into the sea of Knowledge while the Prophets watched by the shore.

Ref: Ali Hajweri, “Daata Ganj Bakhsh,” in his Kashfil Mahjoob, pg 255-256 supports Ba-Yazeed Bustami's claim that he was God in human form.

Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri taught his disciples a different Kalema (Creed) “There is no god but Allah and Chishti is His Messenger.” (Khwaja Fareed-ud-Din Ganj Shakar, Fawaed-us-Saalikeen pg 126-127)

Now, what message is Sheikh Afeef-ud-Din Talmisani trying to convey when he says: The Quran is loaded with Shirk (idolatry, polytheism). True
Monotheism is that everything in the universe is God. (Malfoozat Talmisani pg 205)

It was right for the Pharaoh to say, “I am God”. He, of course, was a part of the Essence of God. (Malfoozat Talmisani pg 205)

Ibraheem Adham reached the Ka’bah in 14 years because he prayed two nawafil (units of physical prayer) at every step. But the Ka’bah was not there! A voice came from the heavens, "It has gone to visit Rabia Basri.” (Malfoozat Khwaja Uthman Harooni, Aneesul Arwah pg 17).

Ba-Yazid Bustami could take the soul of any person whenever he wanted. My uncle Abu Raza Muhammad, upon hearing this became very upset and said, “Ba-Yazid could not return the soul and restore life. I can take a soul and return it as I want.” Then my uncle took the soul of Rahmatullah Kafshdoze and brought him back to life. (Shah Waliullah, Anfasul Afrifain pg 95)

It is obligatory upon a mu’min (believer) that he quits eating and drinking. He must get weak to the point where he becomes unable to pray. (Sahl bin
Abdullah Tastari, Malfoozat Arabi pg 289)

Hazrat Sha’raani was the Sheikh of miracles. He resided in a meadow and used to visit the town riding a wolf. He walked on water. His urine was drinkable like pure milk. (Allama Tareshi’s excerpts, Misra’ Tasawwuf pg 194).

Jalaluddin Rumi never prayed. When the time for prayers came he used to vanish. At last, it was discovered that he used to pray in the Ka’bah -2000
miles away from Quniah, five times a day. (Khwaja Nizamuddin Awlia, Raahat-il-Quloob).

My uncle saw me create and destroy the universe. (Shah Waliullah, Afasul Arifain pg 210)

Once there was a Sheikh who used to grab a dog every day and put him on the prayer rug and said, “O dog, you are in the hands of God!” Those dogs then started walking on water and healed people by giving them Ta’weez (amulets). (Qutubuddin Bakhtiar Kaki, Malfoozat)

The dead body of a dervish was lying in a jungle laughing. I asked him, “You are dead. How can you laugh?” The dead body replied, “This is what happens in the love of Allah.” (Khwaja Ghareeb Nawaz, Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri, Malfoozat)

The Universe lies within Koh Qaaf (the Mount Caucasus). This mountain is 40 times bigger than the earth. A cow is holding it on its head.(Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti, Dalilul Arifain).

The people of Multan refused to provide fire to Shah Shams Tabrez for roasting meat. He became enraged, brought the sun down and roasted the meat. As people became restless with heat, they came to the saint and asked his forgiveness and then he ordered the sun to go back. Since that day, the town became known for its hot summers. (Ali Quli Baghdadi, Karamaat Shah Tabrez pg 233)

Ibraheem Adham was the governor of Balakh. While hunting, a deer turned back and scolded him. Since that day, Adham quit his throne and became a
saint. (“Daata” Ganj Bakhsh, the Giver of Treasures, Kalamil Marghoob pg 229)

When the companions went with the Prophet for Ghazwaat (battles), some of their wives had sex with other men. (Mullah Jalaluddin Rumi, Feeh-Ma-
Feeh, Saleem Chishti, Islami Tasawwuf pg 66).

There was a 140 year old worshipper. He had an amputated foot. When asked, he said, “I was in I’tikaaf (seclusion for worship in a Masjid). I stepped one foot out. An angel warned me, and I immediately cut off my foot with a knife.” (Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri in Malfoozat Uthman Harooni)

A man stole shrouds from graves for 40 years, but he went to the highest degree in Paradise.Why? Because he held on to the prayer rug (he prayed all the time). (Malfoozat Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri, by Khwaja Qutub Alam, Daleel Arifain)

If this does not open your eyes about sufism, then i donot know what to say? should we wait for the death and then we 'll all find out the truth but then there is no way back to correct our iman.

A very basic principle of halal and haram......and the quran is confirming in the following Ayah.

Whatever Allah has restored to His (Prophetic) Messenger from the people of the towns, it is for Allah and for the (Prophetic) Messenger, and for the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarers, so that it may not (merely) circulate between the wealthy among you, and whatever the (Prophetic) Messenger gives you, take it and whatever he forbids you, abstain (from it), and be in reverential awe of Allah; surely Allah is severe in retributing . (59:7)

ALlah has complete the deen islam, see following ayah.
“This day have I perfected your religion for you; completed my favor upon you; and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.”
(Surah 5-3)

There was no sufi and no terminology of sufism at that time at the time of the prophet (pbuh) or from his followers.
Thats why i asked brother cheeko and other to tell me who was the first sufi from the life of the prophet (pbuh) or from his followers? BUt no answer, as the answer is in negation.
Clearly sufism is an invention and those who invested it and those who die following it, will face the consequences.
My dear brothers in islam, for Allah's sake stop the argument and try to satisfy your ego by winning the debate loads of text copy-paste and by twisting the facts and subject here. Please, think and seek the help of Allah (swt).
May Allah protect us all and show us the right path. (Ameen)

 

[sngilani]

In other words, you are trying to prove the Sufis are capable of "Meraj" same as by our Prophet Muhammad pbuh?

No you totally mis-understood. I do'nt mean that. The Sufi's knowledge of God comes from the Qur'an directly. And in spite of the Sufi's proximity to God, the undisputed basis of their direct experience of God has always been the Qur'an. The Qur'an contains instructions suitable to man with varying levels of spirituality. It satisfies those who are content with merely exoteric practices, but also contains the deepest and most profound esoteric meaning for those who desire a closer, more mystical relationship with God.

The Qur'anic verses which are the favourites of the Sufis include:
"We [God] are closer to him [man] than his jugular vein."
"Say, surely we belong to God and to Him do we return."
"He is the First and the Last and the Manifest and the Hidden."
"God is the light of the heavens and the earth."

Such verses are limitless in their depth, scope and meaning, and man may draw from them as much mystical meaning as he has the capacity to understand.

God says in the Qur'an that God sent His Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) first and foremost as a Mercy unto all peoples. And men of different levels of spiritual understanding may avail themselves of this Mercy according to their various capacities.

 

[Cheeko]

Have u lost a little bit sense left in you too?
What r u saying?

What do you mean brother. I telling that you people are talking like only you know what is right and what is wrong.

Instead of replying one issue you people start another issue. It just like when someone proves to Qadyanis that you are wrong then they use same tactic. You have no answer to so many thing I told earliar and then you keep on telling that I on wrong path. Dont play god I request and if you people dont have courage to accept whats right then no use of this discussion.

You asked about sufism as if it some separate religion which is wrong. Sn gilani has already answered that question in detail. According to sufi traditions Hazrat Abu Bakr r.a. and Hazrat Ali r.a. were first sufis.

Sufi is now separate terminology because there are so many separate terminology today like ahle hadees and shias and so many. Otherwise message of sufis is only Islam and Islam.

 

[basim973]

What do you mean brother. I telling that you people are talking like only you know what is right and what is wrong.

Instead of replying one issue you people start another issue. It just like when someone proves to Qadyanis that you are wrong then they use same tactic. You have no answer to so many thing I told earliar and then you keep on telling that I on wrong path. Dont play god I request and if you people dont have courage to accept whats right then no use of this discussion.

You asked about sufism as if it some separate religion which is wrong. Sn gilani has already answered that question in detail. According to sufi traditions Hazrat Abu Bakr r.a. and Hazrat Ali r.a. were first sufis.

Sufi is now separate terminology because there are so many separate terminology today like ahle hadees and shias and so many. Otherwise message of sufis is only Islam and Islam.

That's why i said donot make it personal and an issue of your ego to turn some1 down..................Please think b4 you leap...........we r all gona b answerable for every single word we utter.

 

[basim973]

What do you mean brother. I telling that you people are talking like only you know what is right and what is wrong.

Instead of replying one issue you people start another issue. It just like when someone proves to Qadyanis that you are wrong then they use same tactic. You have no answer to so many thing I told earliar and then you keep on telling that I on wrong path. Dont play god I request and if you people dont have courage to accept whats right then no use of this discussion.

You asked about sufism as if it some separate religion which is wrong. Sn gilani has already answered that question in detail. According to sufi traditions Hazrat Abu Bakr r.a. and Hazrat Ali r.a. were first sufis.

Sufi is now separate terminology because there are so many separate terminology today like ahle hadees and shias and so many. Otherwise message of sufis is only Islam and Islam.

Quran is right, sunaah and hadith is right and the interpretation of these two sources from the prophet (pbuh) and his followers is right and all the inventions on the name of islam and all the new interpretations of quran and use of hadith out of context just to prove these investions is wrong.
Qadiyani also mis-interpret the meaning of the quran and hadith...........by the way mirza attacked on nabovat............Allah is the creator of all the prophets and His Tawheed is above all the nabi and nabovat.......sufis are making a direct attack on the Allah's Tawheed (see the post about some quotes from the sufi books and my reply to that, please)

Tawheed is the first basic principle of islam, whoever got this wrong doen't matter many good deads has he done all go wasted.........See the Ayah.
Allah forgiveth not (the sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this: one who joins other gods with Allah, Hath strayed far, far away (from the right). -- Sura 4:116

People mostly think worship some1 other than Allah is shirk alone....no making things haram when they are halal and making thins halal when they are harm is also shirk..............feeling proud about some thing is also shirk.....please educate yourself with the forms of shirk .......I have posted a like in the thread b4 on the topic of shirk.See below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7wTsZxSR7A

 

[Humble Pakistani]

We have been going at it for ages... Music is it permissible or not in Islam. Let me tell you my friends... When Allah swt created the first human, Adam, He asked his Angels and Jins to bow down to Adam (I guess all of you know this) but I guess some of us do not know why Allah swt asked his other beings to bow down to this new creation, "Human" because He gave the human Knowledge. The sad part is that we do not use the same KNOWLEDGE that Allah swt has provided us.

The simple answer is that anything that we do if it hurts us or any other being then we have sinned and committed a crime and will be answerable to our Lord. We should apply this to any and everything that we do Now just think if music is permissible or not!

 

[Cheeko]

Quran is right, sunaah and hadith is right and the interpretation of these two sources from the prophet (pbuh) and his followers is right and all the inventions on the name of islam and all the new interpretations of quran and use of hadith out of context just to prove these investions is wrong.
Qadiyani also mis-interpret the meaning of the quran and hadith...........by the way mirza attacked on nabovat............Allah is the creator of all the prophets and His Tawheed in above all the nabi and nabovat.......sufis are making a direct attack on the Allah's Tawheed (see the post about some quotes from the sufi books and my reply to that, please)

Quran and Hadees are the worldly source from Allah and Last Messenger peace be upon him for guidance. That is why I telling only Quran and Hadees. No one attacking Tawheed. . This is the wrong belief that you have been fed from najdis. No one wrongly interprting Quran and Hadees and najdis are wrongly interprting Quran and Hadees.

A person today can also get guidance by 46th part of prophecy which is dreams.

Do you challenge my last sentence.

 

[sngilani]

 

[Cheeko]

These two videos will help clear confusion if any body confused. I cant tell about people whose agenda is doing propoganda for najdis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDGSoBssvLI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuJ6v8lFYCA&feature=related

 

[Mughal1]

 

[Pakistani1947]

Re: SUFI BELIEVES ----- Quotes from the Sufi books

I do not see any response by any of Sufis in this forum to the following post. Do we assume that all Sufis on this forum have the same believes as quoted below with reference of their Sufi writers?

Sngilani, Could you please tell if you can justify your above SHIRKA statement that with Quraan and Hadeeth?. Tell me please why our Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not chose to be Sufi if these Sufis could attain such a high level that in your words " a place near to God where there is no difference remain between him and God" (Nauzobillah).

For your information, following are some quotes from the Sufi books (پڑھو اور سر دھنو).

I am superior to Prophets and I am higher in rank than they are.(Sheikh Mohiuddin Ibn-Arabi, Hadeeqa Sultania pg190)

I have denounced Islam. I believe this is incumbent on people. Allah is God sitting in the heavens, I am the God on earth. (Statement of Hussain bin Mansoor Hallaj, Khateeb Baghdadi Vol 8, Ibne Athir chapter 11:140)

Sheikh Imam Abul Hassan Noori was in the company of his disciples. The call to prayers came. The Sheikh said, It is death. Then a dog barked. The Sheikh replied, "Labbaik ya Sayyedi!" - Yes, O My Master!(Ibn-e-Jozi Talbees-e-Iblis pg 383)

My body has merged with the body of Rasulullah. Therefore, we are one. (Shah Waliullah, Anfasul Arifain)

In the assemblies of "URS" (communion of Sufi souls with God, literally, wedding with God), spirits of the dead Sufis come to dance around. (Mullah Abul Kalam Azad, the late Minister of Education in India. Iman-e-Khalis by Fazil Uloom-e Deeniyah, Dr. Masooduddin Usmani pg 63)

Hazrat Dawood Jawarbi had seen Allah. When asked about Allah, he said, Ask me not about His genitals and His beard. Ask about anything else. (Al-Milil-wan-Nahil, Imam Shehristani 1:96).

There is none else worthy of worship. Come and worship me.(Mullah Jalaluddin Rumi, Mathnawi 4:52)

This morning Allah wrestled with me. He floored me because I am 2 years younger than He is. (Abul Hassan Kharqani, Fawaid Faridiya pg 78)

Alas! The Muslim fails to understand that Allah can be found only in idol worship. (Sufi Mahmood Shabistri, Sharah Gulshan-e-Raz pg 294)

Hanafis are people who are pacing toward Hellfire. The death anniversary of Imam Husain must be celebrated like the Festival of Eid. (Piran-e-Pir
Dastgeer - The Saint of saints, Holder of hands - Abdul Qadir Jeelani, Ghania- til-Talibain pg 190)

My foot is on the neck of every saint. So, I placed my foot on Hazrat Ali's neck. (Abdul Qadir Jeelani, Asrar-ul-Qadam pg 191)

I hate the God who does not appear as a dog or cat. (Ibn-Arabi, Khazeena Imaniyah pg 168)

Whenever Khwaja Maudood Chishti desired to see the Kabah, angels airlifted it to the land of Chisht in India. (Malfoozat Khwaja Qutubuddin Bukhtiar Kaki, Fariduddin Ganj Shakar).

One thousand years have gone and so has the time of Muhammad. Now it is my time, the time of Ahmad. The second millennium is mine.(Sheikh
Ahmad Sarhindi, the so-called Mujaddid Alf-Sani, Revivalist of the Second Millennium. (Mubda-wa-Maad)

Khwaja Qutbuddin Maudood Chishtis dead body flew in the air on its way to the graveyard. Khwaja Fareeduddin Ganj Shakar upon narrating this fell
unconscious. (Rahatil-Quloob, Ganj Shakar).

Adam cried for 300 years, so much so that birds made nests on his face. His tears brought forth so much grass that it covered his 60 meters long body. (Rahatul Muhibbeen c/o Ameer Khusro. Khwaja Nizamuddin Awlia)

If Awlia (saints) wish, they can accept invitations from 10,000 towns and be there at the same time. (Ahmad Raza Khan Barelwi, Malfoozat part I pg 127)

When Shah Waliullah was in his mothers womb, she said a prayer. Two tiny hands appeared from her belly for prayer. She was frightened. Her husband said, "You have Qutubul Aqtab (Saint of Saints) in your womb. (Mullah Ashraf Ali Thanwi, Hikayaat-e-Awlia pg 17).

Allah revealed Himself to me as an extremely beautiful, irresistible woman, adorned with fine ornaments and see-through garments. She suddenly embraced me and merged into my body. (Shah Waliullah, Anfasul Arifain pg 94-95).

The sun cannot rise before greeting me. The new year, the new month, the new day, cannot dawn without greeting me and informing me of every single event. (Malfoozat Ahmad Raza Barelwi about the exhumed Ghaus Azam Abdul Qadir Jeelani)

Shah Waliullah believed in the Unity of Being. He believed that insects, animals, idols and human beings were all God. (Syed Farooq Al-Qadri, Anfasul Arifain)

Allah has only 99 virtuous names. I have more than 99, in fact 4000.(Shah Waliullah quoting his uncle, Anfasul Arifain pg 210)

Some people told Shah Abdur Raheem (Shah Waliullahs father) that they were trying to find God. My father said, I am He! They stood up and shook hands. (Shah Waliullah quoting his uncle,Anfasul Arifain, pg 93). Why didnt they prostrate?

God came to me in a cloak in the guise of an extremely beautiful woman. I became passionate and said, Cast aside your cloak. The response came, The cloak is very thin. It reveals my beauty. I insisted, upon which the cloak was lifted. (Quote of father and son, Shah Abdur Raheem & Shah Waliullah, Anfasul Arifain pg 94)

Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jeelani claimed: Allah has made me Eternal and has joined me with Him. He has given in my hand this world and the Hereafter and all Creation. (Jeelani, Malfoozat Fuyuz Yazdani, Fath-e-Rabb-ani, Majlis 51)

Prophet David and Prophet Muhammad pbuh both sinned because they saw the beauty of unclothed women. Then Uriahs wife and Zaids wife became Haram (forbidden) for their husbands. (Ali Hajweri, alias Daata Ganj Baksh, the Giver of Treasures, Kalamil Marghoob pg 349)

Junaid Baghdadi said that Prophet Solomon was the illegitimate son of David from Uriahs wife. Sheik Seereen wrote that Surah Ahzab of the Quran means to say that Muhammad (pbuh) was hiding the carnal love of Zainab (the wife of Zaid), in his heart. (Malfoozal Al-Asl pg 219)

A wife of the Prophet (pbuh) saw a male sparrow mounting the female sparrow. She challenged the Prophet. When the night set in, the Prophet mounted her in a most furious manner 90 times and said, See! There is no deficiency here. (Shamsuddin Akhlaqi, Manaqib-il-Arifain pg 70-71). We

Ba-Yazeed Bustami, supposedly the head of all saints, is quoted in his Malfoozat, the book of narratives:

- I am Glorious, the Ultimate, the Pure. My Glory is beyond description. (Nauzibilla)
- My Kingdom is greater than the Kingdom of God. (Nauzibilla)
- Allah is in my pocket. (Nauzibilla)
- My flag flies higher than the flag of Muhammad (pbuh). (Nauzibilla)
- I dived into the sea of Knowledge while the Prophets watched by the shore.

Ref: Ali Hajweri, Daata Ganj Bakhsh, in his Kashfil Mahjoob, pg 255-256 supports Ba-Yazeed Bustami's claim that he was God in human form.

Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri taught his disciples a different Kalema (Creed) There is no god but Allah and Chishti is His Messenger. (Khwaja Fareed-ud-Din Ganj Shakar, Fawaed-us-Saalikeen pg 126-127)

Now, what message is Sheikh Afeef-ud-Din Talmisani trying to convey when he says: The Quran is loaded with Shirk (idolatry, polytheism). True
Monotheism is that everything in the universe is God. (Malfoozat Talmisani pg 205)

It was right for the Pharaoh to say, I am God. He, of course, was a part of the Essence of God. (Malfoozat Talmisani pg 205)

Ibraheem Adham reached the Kabah in 14 years because he prayed two nawafil (units of physical prayer) at every step. But the Kabah was not there! A voice came from the heavens, "It has gone to visit Rabia Basri. (Malfoozat Khwaja Uthman Harooni, Aneesul Arwah pg 17).

Ba-Yazid Bustami could take the soul of any person whenever he wanted. My uncle Abu Raza Muhammad, upon hearing this became very upset and said, Ba-Yazid could not return the soul and restore life. I can take a soul and return it as I want. Then my uncle took the soul of Rahmatullah Kafshdoze and brought him back to life. (Shah Waliullah, Anfasul Afrifain pg 95)

It is obligatory upon a mumin (believer) that he quits eating and drinking. He must get weak to the point where he becomes unable to pray. (Sahl bin
Abdullah Tastari, Malfoozat Arabi pg 289)

Hazrat Sharaani was the Sheikh of miracles. He resided in a meadow and used to visit the town riding a wolf. He walked on water. His urine was drinkable like pure milk. (Allama Tareshis excerpts, Misra Tasawwuf pg 194).

Jalaluddin Rumi never prayed. When the time for prayers came he used to vanish. At last, it was discovered that he used to pray in the Kabah -2000
miles away from Quniah, five times a day. (Khwaja Nizamuddin Awlia, Raahat-il-Quloob).

My uncle saw me create and destroy the universe. (Shah Waliullah, Afasul Arifain pg 210)

Once there was a Sheikh who used to grab a dog every day and put him on the prayer rug and said, O dog, you are in the hands of God! Those dogs then started walking on water and healed people by giving them Taweez (amulets). (Qutubuddin Bakhtiar Kaki, Malfoozat)

The dead body of a dervish was lying in a jungle laughing. I asked him, You are dead. How can you laugh? The dead body replied, This is what happens in the love of Allah. (Khwaja Ghareeb Nawaz, Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri, Malfoozat)

The Universe lies within Koh Qaaf (the Mount Caucasus). This mountain is 40 times bigger than the earth. A cow is holding it on its head.(Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti, Dalilul Arifain).

The people of Multan refused to provide fire to Shah Shams Tabrez for roasting meat. He became enraged, brought the sun down and roasted the meat. As people became restless with heat, they came to the saint and asked his forgiveness and then he ordered the sun to go back. Since that day, the town became known for its hot summers. (Ali Quli Baghdadi, Karamaat Shah Tabrez pg 233)

Ibraheem Adham was the governor of Balakh. While hunting, a deer turned back and scolded him. Since that day, Adham quit his throne and became a
saint. (Daata Ganj Bakhsh, the Giver of Treasures, Kalamil Marghoob pg 229)

When the companions went with the Prophet for Ghazwaat (battles), some of their wives had sex with other men. (Mullah Jalaluddin Rumi, Feeh-Ma-
Feeh, Saleem Chishti, Islami Tasawwuf pg 66).

There was a 140 year old worshipper. He had an amputated foot. When asked, he said, I was in Itikaaf (seclusion for worship in a Masjid). I stepped one foot out. An angel warned me, and I immediately cut off my foot with a knife. (Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri in Malfoozat Uthman Harooni)

A man stole shrouds from graves for 40 years, but he went to the highest degree in Paradise.Why? Because he held on to the prayer rug (he prayed all the time). (Malfoozat Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti Ajmeri, by Khwaja Qutub Alam, Daleel Arifain)

 

[basim973]

Quran and Hadees are the worldly source from Allah and Last Messenger peace be upon him for guidance. That is why I telling only Quran and Hadees. No one attacking Tawheed. . This is the wrong belief that you have been fed from najdis. No one wrongly interprting Quran and Hadees and najdis are wrongly interprting Quran and Hadees.

A person today can also get guidance by 46th part of prophecy which is dreams.

Do you challenge my last sentence.

Dreams of non-prophets can b right or wrong and not wahi.......so no guarantee.
Wahi stopped with the death of last prophet (pbuh), any1 claim of getting getting wahi like mirza mardood, concepts of imams getting revelation in shiaism and most sufies have the same concept but they hide their intent disguise..........is rejected rejected and rejected. Why r u avoiding the question? Tell me the first sufi from the prophet (pbuh) time and from his followers? There was no shia no sufi at that time..........all r inventions of Yahood to divide muslims.