For u the guide is ur aqal...........but for muslims the guide should be the quran and the sunnah.
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sahiL
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@cheeko......im trying to get ur mentality how u define things 4 ur own gud
ur posts start with.......u have no answer......u,re wahabi.....u,re this u that
let me ask u this.......u have problem with wahabis r Islam?
by the way.....i am no wahabi no shia......im simply a muslim......
don,t u think u,re being a bit aggressive when talking about Islam.....u just post a reply n stress ur fatwa on everyone else......
another question?....r we going to be asked on the day of judgement whether we followed sufis or not?
Allah hum sabko sahi Islam ki samaj ata fermaye.....Ameen
ur posts start with.......u have no answer......u,re wahabi.....u,re this u that
let me ask u this.......u have problem with wahabis r Islam?
by the way.....i am no wahabi no shia......im simply a muslim......
don,t u think u,re being a bit aggressive when talking about Islam.....u just post a reply n stress ur fatwa on everyone else......
another question?....r we going to be asked on the day of judgement whether we followed sufis or not?
Allah hum sabko sahi Islam ki samaj ata fermaye.....Ameen
I think you r blind and dont read my posts and answer them without reading them. You have already read my post in which I replyied the first two sufi names in your post number 172. Read again and see that you are answering to my post in which I have told the names.
Also I will npw tell you about the name of eight ascetics who are
1-Sufyan atThawri
2-Amir bin Abd al Qays
3-Abu Muslim al-Khawlani
4-Uwais alQarni
5-Al Rabi ibn Khutaym
6-Aswad ibn Yazid
7-Maruq ibn al Ajda
8-Hassan al Basri
Most of Sahabas r.a. were very pious and sufis but these are names that excelled in that period after Hazrat Abu Bakr r.a. and Hazrat Ali r.a.
Now I tell you Hadees about dreams and part of prophecy. I dont know which type of ahle hadeeth you are because you dont read Hadees and then when I tell you Hadees yo dont believe it.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: Dreams are of three types: a dream from Allah, a dream which causes distress and which comes from the Shaytaan, and a dream which comes from what a person thinks about when he is awake, and he sees it when he is asleep. (al-Bukhaari, 6499; Muslim, 4200)
Malik Muwatta chapter 52
52.1.1
Yahya related to me from Malik from Ishaq ibn Abdullah ibn Abi Talha al-Ansari from Anas ibn Malik that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "The good dream of a man who is salih is a forty-sixth part of prophecy." Yahya related the like of that to me from Malik from Abu'z-Zinad from al-Araj from Abu Hurayra from the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace.
52.1.2
Yahya related to me from Malik from Ishaq ibn Abdullah ibn Abi Talha from Zufar ibn Sasaca from his father from Abu Hurayra that when the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, left the morning prayer, he would say, "Has any of you had a dream last night? All that will remain of prophecy after me will be the true dream ."
52.1.3
Yahya related to me from Malik from Zayd ibn Aslam from Ata ibn Yasar that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "All that will be left of prophecy after me are the mubashshirat." They said, "What are the mubashshirat, Messenger of Allah?" He said, "The true dream which a man who is salih sees - or which is shown to him - is a forty-sixth part of prophecy."
52.1.4
Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said that Abu Salama ibn Abd ar-Rahman said, "I heard Abu Qatada ibn Ribiyy say that he heard the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, say, 'The good dream is from Allah, and the bad dream is from shaytan. When you see what you dislike, spit to your left side three times when you wake up, and seek refuge with Allah from its evil. It will not harm you then, Allah willing.' " Abu Salama said, "I would see dreams which weighed on me more heavily than a mountain. When I heard this hadith, I was not concerned about it."
52.1.5
Yahya related to me from Malik from Hisham ibn Urwa that his father said about this ayat, "You have good news in the life of this world and the next world," (Sura 10 ayat 64), that it was the good dream which the man who was salih saw or which was shown to him.
Sahih Muslim chapter 29
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Abu Huraira reported: I love to see fetters but I hate necklace (in a dream), for fetters signifies one's steadfastness in religion, and he also reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The vision of a believer is forty-sixth part of Prophecy.
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This hadith has been transmitted on the authority of Abu Huraira and the words are:" When the time draws near," the rest of the hadith is the same.
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Muhammad b. Sirin reported from Abu Huraira a hadith from Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and he mentioned in his hadith his words:" I dislike shackles," up to the end of his statement, but he made no mention of this:" A vision is a forty-sixth part of Prophecy."
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Ubida b. as-Samit reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The vision of a believer is the forty-sixth part of Prophecy.
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This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Anas b. Malik through another chain of transmitters.
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Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Verily the vision of a believer is one of the forty-sixth part of Prophecy.
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Allah's Messenger (may peace; be upon him) said: The vision of a Muslim which he sees or which is shown to him, and in the hadith transmitted on the authority of Ibn Alushir (the words are):" The pious dream is the forty-sixth part of Prophecy."
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Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The vision Qf a pious man is the forty-sixth part of Prophecy.
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This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Yahyi b. Abu Kathir with the same chain of transmitters.
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This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira through another chain of transmitters
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Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who saw me in a dream in fact saw me, for the satan does not appear in my form.
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Abu Huraira reported: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who saw me in a dream would soon see me in the state of wakefulness, or as if he saw me in a state of wakefulness, for the satan does not appear in my form.
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Abu Qatada reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who saw me in dream in fact saw the truth (what is true).
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Jabir reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who saw me in sleep in fact saw me, for it is not possible for the satan to appear in my form; and he also said: When any one of you sees a hulm he should not inform anyone, for it is a sort of vain sport of devil in the state of sleep.
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Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who saw me in a dream in fact saw me, for the satan cannot assume my form.
Re: SUFI BELIEVES ----- Quotes from the Sufi books
There is nothing to answer in this post. The problem with you people is that you quote out of context things and then tell that it shirk and kufar. Some of the people like Ibn Arabi were from a diferent group of Sufis which mean was not a proper sufi. Mansur Hallaj had broken the rules and so he was punished by the Abbasi Khalifa at the advice and decision of another sufi Junaid Baghdadi itself. Mullah Abul Kalam Azad was not a Sufi but a ahle hadeeth and so on. Ahmed Raza Barilvi was head of barailvis so they can better answer. Ashraf Thanvi was deobandi so deobandis can better answer.
Some of the sentence are out of context and they have a different meaning than that on the outer surface. To understand the meanings you have to be in their company. I will tell you example of Jabir bin Hayyan who was a famous Muslim scientist and also sufi and he wrote in his books the formulas of chemistry in a different way. For burning metals to get proper result more he wrote that one should pray more to please Allah. This is the style of sufis and to understand them one has to read all their books or study under them.
If still any body tells any thing wrong then one must accept because sufis were not infallible. Not like najdi followers who tell that their Molvis r always right and others r wrong.Also peoples opinion keep changing as they grow and like Jinnah first he wanted same country but then 20 years later he wanted Pakistan. So if Jinnah wrote book 20 years ago then he tell he want to live in India but actually before dyeing he was head of Pakistan.
The sufis were regarded very high during their times and no one told any complains during that time because if any body didnt understand any thing they would ask and clarify. Only najdis have problem with sufis and this was only because they wanted to remove Ottoman Khilafat and every one know that Ottoman Khilafat was pro sufi. This way they trick the rest of Arab bedouins to rose and remove the governors of Makkah and Medina and Arabian peninsula. They used Islam for their greed and fooled simple and illiterate people. Just like today people fool poor people and make them suicide bombers in the name of Islam and tell them about 72 virgins waiting for them after bombing.
So I tell that this post is useless and not a new propoganda against sufis done only by najdis to mislead Muslims.
There is nothing to answer in this post. The problem with you people is that you quote out of context things and then tell that it shirk and kufar. Some of the people like Ibn Arabi were from a diferent group of Sufis which mean was not a proper sufi. Mansur Hallaj had broken the rules and so he was punished by the Abbasi Khalifa at the advice and decision of another sufi Junaid Baghdadi itself. Mullah Abul Kalam Azad was not a Sufi but a ahle hadeeth and so on. Ahmed Raza Barilvi was head of barailvis so they can better answer. Ashraf Thanvi was deobandi so deobandis can better answer.
Some of the sentence are out of context and they have a different meaning than that on the outer surface. To understand the meanings you have to be in their company. I will tell you example of Jabir bin Hayyan who was a famous Muslim scientist and also sufi and he wrote in his books the formulas of chemistry in a different way. For burning metals to get proper result more he wrote that one should pray more to please Allah. This is the style of sufis and to understand them one has to read all their books or study under them.
If still any body tells any thing wrong then one must accept because sufis were not infallible. Not like najdi followers who tell that their Molvis r always right and others r wrong.Also peoples opinion keep changing as they grow and like Jinnah first he wanted same country but then 20 years later he wanted Pakistan. So if Jinnah wrote book 20 years ago then he tell he want to live in India but actually before dyeing he was head of Pakistan.
The sufis were regarded very high during their times and no one told any complains during that time because if any body didnt understand any thing they would ask and clarify. Only najdis have problem with sufis and this was only because they wanted to remove Ottoman Khilafat and every one know that Ottoman Khilafat was pro sufi. This way they trick the rest of Arab bedouins to rose and remove the governors of Makkah and Medina and Arabian peninsula. They used Islam for their greed and fooled simple and illiterate people. Just like today people fool poor people and make them suicide bombers in the name of Islam and tell them about 72 virgins waiting for them after bombing.
So I tell that this post is useless and not a new propoganda against sufis done only by najdis to mislead Muslims.
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The only participation of yours in this topic is that you come once a day and curse and go. First tell with some evidence otherwise opening mouth is most easiest thing to do on earth. You cant read when Muslims beliefs are being attacked by najdis but you only complain if some Muslim is defending his belief. It easy for every one to know which side you are.
Allah will ask on Qiyamat who followed right path. The path by sufis is right path because it is Islam path and it not separate sect or religion. According to sufis any person who deviate from correct sharia isnt proper sufi. This mean that any thing done without any argument from sharia is not Islamic. This is the proper Muslim sharia we are talking about and not najdi sharia. So any najdi instead of quoting any thing out of context of any individual you people discuss about belief in general of Muslims. The belief of Islam.
That why I defending and answering all allegations by Quran and Hadees and consensus opinion of Ulema only.
May Allah guide us Ameen.
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Its easy to do copy paste, but if u have a point then put the point forward, who is gona read loads of stolen texts from other sites, yes u can refer to points from other sites.......this is a basic principle of doing your own writing which shows your understanding...............
Now all these names u mentioned, how do u or any1 know that they were suif, the prophet (pbuh) never used this term, did any sahabi ever said he is sufi......give me an original reliable reference u have and not text from sufi sites who try to distrort the facts...
SHia, sufi, qadiyani all the sects and groups use selected verses of one quran and selected hadiths from different unauthentic books to make their points..........Like I previously said Quran is Hadith is right the understanding of these two by Sahabahs and Tabeen and Taba-tabeen is right........we donot need new interpretations to add new things in islam which were not there at the time of the prophet (pbuh)
Dreams of sufi can fall into any three of these categories , now where is the guraneetee?
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: Dreams are of three types: a dream from Allah, a dream which causes distress and which comes from the Shaytaan, and a dream which comes from what a person thinks about when he is awake, and he sees it when he is asleep. (al-Bukhaari, 6499; Muslim, 4200)
U sent me the above hadith. Sufi dreams fall into any three of these categories. Just to move this conversation lets assume who so ever started sufiism saw a dream and then onwards all the sufis are seeing dreams from category one.
Now my question:
Was islam not complete or enough so that these ppl receive these dreams to make something new?
U sent me the above hadith. Sufi dreams fall into any three of these categories. Just to move this conversation lets assume who so ever started sufiism saw a dream and then onwards all the sufis are seeing dreams from category one.
Now my question:
Was islam not complete or enough so that these ppl receive these dreams to make something new?
For the attention of all my brothers:
Zikar is the core of sufism.......no muslim deny the importance of zikar but most important zikar is salat, faraz on each muslim 5 times a day. If a muslim donot get salat right then wot is the worth of rest of the nafali zikar.
Following is the namaz I used to follow and which is the namaz of most of the pakistani people.
http://www.trueislam.info/groupmails/namaz.htm
From part1-3 Ayats from Quran and Hadith are used and from part4-onward only Alamgiri and dur-e-mukhtar is mentioned. Same Hadith books mentioned in part1-3 have got the full Tariqa of namaz from the prophet (pbuh), why part4-onward they donot mention these hadith books again?
WHy on part4-onward women namaz is different from men, when there is no such prove from any authentic hadiths was provided.
For some of my brother, an escape route would be that I am Wahabi, salafi, ahle-hadith, najdi etc., Allah key bundoo, please pay attention and do a little bit of tadabur and research and seek Allah's help.
May Allah guide us all.
Zikar is the core of sufism.......no muslim deny the importance of zikar but most important zikar is salat, faraz on each muslim 5 times a day. If a muslim donot get salat right then wot is the worth of rest of the nafali zikar.
Following is the namaz I used to follow and which is the namaz of most of the pakistani people.
http://www.trueislam.info/groupmails/namaz.htm
From part1-3 Ayats from Quran and Hadith are used and from part4-onward only Alamgiri and dur-e-mukhtar is mentioned. Same Hadith books mentioned in part1-3 have got the full Tariqa of namaz from the prophet (pbuh), why part4-onward they donot mention these hadith books again?
WHy on part4-onward women namaz is different from men, when there is no such prove from any authentic hadiths was provided.
For some of my brother, an escape route would be that I am Wahabi, salafi, ahle-hadith, najdi etc., Allah key bundoo, please pay attention and do a little bit of tadabur and research and seek Allah's help.
May Allah guide us all.
What do you mean by stolen from site. It is all Quran and Hadees that I telling. There is no note on those site that reading and copying is wrong. It is free inormation for all and it saves my time to type all that. What type of argument is this. You r acting like a child and I laughing at you for this.
You r confused because of sufi word. The other word or proper word is Aulia. Pious people become Aulia of Allah and aulia mean allies. Sufi or Aulia are name of same people. There is not much to comment and so I telling mostly Quran and Hadees. If you dont understand any thing then ask. Hazrat Abu Bakr r.a and Hazrat Ali r.a were first Aulia.
Behold! verily on the friends of Allah there is no fear, nor shall they grieve [10:62]
Those who take disbelievers as allies instead of the believers. Do they seek with them honor? But indeed, honor belongs to Allah entirely [4:139]
O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves? [4:144]
It is only the Shaitan that causes you to fear from his friends, but do not fear them, and fear Me if you are believers [3:175]
But what plea have they that Allah should not punish them, when they keep out from the sacred Mosque - and they are not its guardians? No men can be its guardians except the righteous; but most of them do not understand [8:34]
It is only the Shaitan that causes you to fear from his friends, but do not fear them, and fear Me if you are believers [3:175]
You are still stuck there. I have explained many times in my previous posts that Sufism starts where boundary of ordinary muslim ends. It means a Sufi always follow Sharia first. He prays 5 times and fullfils all obligations required for being a muslim i.e; do his fara'ez. After compleing essentials needed for any muslim, he starts thinking to find his creator in this life. You have to keep ur mind open and clear. You are either bios with the name of Sufi or you are thinking fraudulent sufis who are not the true representives of those we are talking about.
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Pakistani1947
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"This day have I perfected your religion for you" Quraan 5:3
Dear Cheeko,
[FONT="]Quraan 5:3 This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. [/FONT]
Read the passage from last sermon of our beloved Prophet Muhaammad pbuh. This sermon was witnessed by thousands of Sahabas (RA).
......O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QURAN and my example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray.....
(Reference: See Al-Bukhari, Hadith 1623, 1626, 6361) Sahih of Imam Muslim also refers to this sermon in Hadith number 98. Imam al-Tirmidhi has mentioned this sermon in Hadith nos. 1628, 2046, 2085. Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal has given us the longest and perhaps the most complete version of this sermon in his Masnud, Hadith no. 19774.)
Now tell me would you still believe that Prophet Muhammad delivered only 45 part of Prophecy and the remaining 46th part was left for your Sufis to delivered to Muslim Umma ?
Dear Cheeko,
[FONT="]Quraan 5:3 This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. [/FONT]
[FONT="]آج میں تمہارے لیے تمہارا دین پورا کر چکا اور میں نے تم پر اپنا احسان پورا کر دیا اور میں نے تمہارے واسطے اسلام ہی کو دین پسند کیا ہے [/FONT]
......O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QURAN and my example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray.....
(Reference: See Al-Bukhari, Hadith 1623, 1626, 6361) Sahih of Imam Muslim also refers to this sermon in Hadith number 98. Imam al-Tirmidhi has mentioned this sermon in Hadith nos. 1628, 2046, 2085. Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal has given us the longest and perhaps the most complete version of this sermon in his Masnud, Hadith no. 19774.)
Now tell me would you still believe that Prophet Muhammad delivered only 45 part of Prophecy and the remaining 46th part was left for your Sufis to delivered to Muslim Umma ?
Islam was completed brother 1400 years ago. No Aulia has brought new change or new message. All tell same sharia and same Quran and Hadees. Any person who breaks sharia law is not a Aulia. But for guidance and prophecies it is in Hadees that good dreams are 46th part of prophecy.
The Hadees also tell that in any dream in which Last Messenger is seen then it is certain that he is Last Messenger peace be upon him. Read again. Topic is not dreams and so I not going in details.
Sahih Muslim chapter 29
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Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who saw me in a dream in fact saw me, for the satan does not appear in my form.
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Abu Huraira reported: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who saw me in a dream would soon see me in the state of wakefulness, or as if he saw me in a state of wakefulness, for the satan does not appear in my form.
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Abu Qatada reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who saw me in dream in fact saw the truth (what is true).
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Jabir reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who saw me in sleep in fact saw me, for it is not possible for the satan to appear in my form; and he also said: When any one of you sees a hulm he should not inform anyone, for it is a sort of vain sport of devil in the state of sleep.
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Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who saw me in a dream in fact saw me, for the satan cannot assume my form.
Re: "This day have I perfected your religion for you" Quraan 5:3
You people are not paying any attention and r filled with hate only.
Islam was completed brother 1400 years ago. No Aulia has brought new change or new message. All tell same sharia and same Quran and Hadees. Any person who breaks sharia law is not a Aulia. But for guidance and prophecies it is in Hadees that good dreams are 46th part of prophecy.
The Hadees also tell that in any dream in which Last Messenger is seen then it is certain that he is Last Messenger peace be upon him. Read again. Topic is not dreams and so I not going in details.
Sahih Muslim chapter 29
5635
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who saw me in a dream in fact saw me, for the satan does not appear in my form.
5636
Abu Huraira reported: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who saw me in a dream would soon see me in the state of wakefulness, or as if he saw me in a state of wakefulness, for the satan does not appear in my form.
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Abu Qatada reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who saw me in dream in fact saw the truth (what is true).
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Jabir reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who saw me in sleep in fact saw me, for it is not possible for the satan to appear in my form; and he also said: When any one of you sees a hulm he should not inform anyone, for it is a sort of vain sport of devil in the state of sleep.
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Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who saw me in a dream in fact saw me, for the satan cannot assume my form.
You people are not paying any attention and r filled with hate only.
Islam was completed brother 1400 years ago. No Aulia has brought new change or new message. All tell same sharia and same Quran and Hadees. Any person who breaks sharia law is not a Aulia. But for guidance and prophecies it is in Hadees that good dreams are 46th part of prophecy.
The Hadees also tell that in any dream in which Last Messenger is seen then it is certain that he is Last Messenger peace be upon him. Read again. Topic is not dreams and so I not going in details.
Sahih Muslim chapter 29
5635
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who saw me in a dream in fact saw me, for the satan does not appear in my form.
5636
Abu Huraira reported: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who saw me in a dream would soon see me in the state of wakefulness, or as if he saw me in a state of wakefulness, for the satan does not appear in my form.
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Abu Qatada reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who saw me in dream in fact saw the truth (what is true).
5638
Jabir reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who saw me in sleep in fact saw me, for it is not possible for the satan to appear in my form; and he also said: When any one of you sees a hulm he should not inform anyone, for it is a sort of vain sport of devil in the state of sleep.
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Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who saw me in a dream in fact saw me, for the satan cannot assume my form.
Good answer brother. Either they r doing all this on purpose or they have been brain washed badly.
fraudulent sufis? Sufis are fraud, invention and bidah in deen...........read my message which u r replying, donot u understand the questions and if yes why r u not answering them.......Cheeko is admiring u on good answer, he didn't even read if he did he didn't understand or like you he is avoiding to answer...................
Merey Piyarey Bhayoo, for Allah's sake think and donot make this forum is win place by twisting the issue ....... who u r trying to impress? We dont know each other.
May Allah Open our hearts and eyes for truth.
U wana mark this a day of victory yourself............is it realy worth not thinking on the issue and correcting the iman ........the emphasis is upon winning and making ppl annoy and leave?
But I am hopeful with the blessing of Allah(swt), May Allah open your heart and eyes.
This time not many video just one part of it which explains what Imam Abu Hanifah Rehmat Allah Alhey said about his opinion. See/follow the others part before and after if you like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTCCTRNa6mQ&feature=related
Listen carefully for Allah's sake even if you already donot like this man etc., please.
May Allah open our hearts for islam. (Ameen)
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