The Qadiani Ahmadiyya Lahore Tragedy By Truth Unvield
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biomat
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Assalam-o-alaikum
Bro atensari, i respect your view. But i think, we should stick to mistakes of their spiritual leader Mirza Ghulam, discussing their KHALIFAS is no importance, as we have to show them the open flaws in their believes & leader.
As these videos make them angry & more stubborn to accept the truth.. Please dont take it wrong, this is my advice..
As new ahmedis/qadiyanis are following blindly, as they only read & study edited materials from their famous website..
They dont have access to the original books written by their spiritual leader where they can get the truth of lies & mistakes & contradictions in different volumes & titles.. So it is our duty to explain to these young ahmedis/qadiyanis with HIKMAT & POLITENESS, without hurting their feelings & sentiments. If we can do this insha ALLAH there will be many like Shahid & others..
Please do keep this in mind when dealing with qadiyanis/ahmedis & when explaining to them about the true ISLAM..
I hope u will understand.
Jaza-k-ALLAH
Bro atensari, i respect your view. But i think, we should stick to mistakes of their spiritual leader Mirza Ghulam, discussing their KHALIFAS is no importance, as we have to show them the open flaws in their believes & leader.
As these videos make them angry & more stubborn to accept the truth.. Please dont take it wrong, this is my advice..
As new ahmedis/qadiyanis are following blindly, as they only read & study edited materials from their famous website..
They dont have access to the original books written by their spiritual leader where they can get the truth of lies & mistakes & contradictions in different volumes & titles.. So it is our duty to explain to these young ahmedis/qadiyanis with HIKMAT & POLITENESS, without hurting their feelings & sentiments. If we can do this insha ALLAH there will be many like Shahid & others..
Please do keep this in mind when dealing with qadiyanis/ahmedis & when explaining to them about the true ISLAM..
I hope u will understand.
Jaza-k-ALLAH
sayeenwada, You are insane! what is the logic of posting following videos. If a mullah has committed a crime do not blame Islam; if an elderly person is drunk (seemingly drunk) and is dancing do not blame Islam; if a mob kills two innocent brother do not blame Islam. Because this is not the teaching of Islam.
Open you eyes, your brain and listen, even if all Muslim in the world are deviated from their path, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) will still remain the last Prophet. The best path is the path of Quraan and Sunnah (pbuh), just follow this path to be successful in hereafter. Do not blindly follow anybody! Once somebody points out an error in your believe check what Quraan and Sunnah (pbuh) has to say on that topic.
Open you eyes, your brain and listen, even if all Muslim in the world are deviated from their path, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) will still remain the last Prophet. The best path is the path of Quraan and Sunnah (pbuh), just follow this path to be successful in hereafter. Do not blindly follow anybody! Once somebody points out an error in your believe check what Quraan and Sunnah (pbuh) has to say on that topic.
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sayeenwada
Councller (250+ posts)
listen you imbecile. It's simple, I have said it many times here....go home, pray and cry till your nose bleeds for a sign from Allah the Exalted...beg Allah the Exalted for the destruction of Jammat Ahmadiyya or lanaat upon yourselves. I am certain you will eventually get your answers.
binmahmood
Councller (250+ posts)
Conversely.. You should keep on doing the same. But please stop your hypocritical slogan "love for all... ********". Alter it like "Love for All other then Musalmaan" - lOl
By applying citizenship of this country, "Islamic Republic of Pakistan", you actually confess to abide by the local laws. However, you keep a sense of hate against the laws as well as non-qadyanis. Till when you keep on your hypocrisy.
1. Kaleem
and now ur changing ur stance on Rasool thing u said MGA didnt claimed to be Rasul but I showed u that he did , but u didnt answer by the way according to ur own jammat ESA(AS) is not law bearing prophet.
I am not changing my stance. I was just showing you that Sunni beleifs consider Rasul and Nabi aur two different designations and one cannot be other.
If you were to read the books of Ahmadiyya you will find that Ahmadis believe the Nabi and Rasool are the same.
khatam has been used with other meanings but it has been used as seal in sense of ender as well and thats how MGA used it.
and remember ESA(AS) is already a Prophet so his return does not go against the Finality of Prophethood
let me make it simple for you.
If I take your meaning of Khatam which is “seal” as in sealing the envelope then how can Hadhrat Isa A.S come to this world when the entire world is sealed with no more prophets? Majority of the muslims believe that Hadhrat Isa A.S will return as the prophet. And one thing that I want to make clear here is that In Qurran Shareef Allah says that I have created this world for Mohammed PBUH. And If that same Mohammed PBUH is burried in Madina then how can any other prophet stay alive when his (Hadhrat’s Isa A.S) Shariiah has been replaced by Shariat-e-Mohammadi ?. This concept of returning of the same Isa A.S is just so astonishing that it sounds like a story from Alif Laila.
we believe in 124000 prophets
ESA is 123999th and Prophet Muhammad (PUBH) is 124000th now even if ESA(AS) returns he is still 123999th
but if Mirza is prophet then he is 1240001st got it
Lol This is funny. I challenge you to prove that Hadhrat Isa was 123999th prophet. Once you can prove that he is 123999th prohphet then I will give you my answer.
Mirza Ghulam himself translated the verse of Khatam un nabiyeen as:
"Nabiyoon ka Khatam karney wala" (thats MGA's own translation)
Then Mirza Ghulam called ESA(AS) Khatam al Anbiya of Bani Israel in barheen ahmadiyya vol 5 now can u explain us what that will mean?
So Muslims Ummah scholars, Prophet Muhammad (PUBH) and companions have been very very clear on the subject of finality of Prophethood, and remember Mirza Ghulam was Mirza Ghulam ibn Chargbibi not ESA IBN MARYAM
All u just gave is copy paste from ur website
The Holy Prophet (PBUH) said: "
O Bhai, Khatam does not means last… and this is how Mirza Sahab has used this word in his books.
If an prophet were to succeed me, it would have been 'Umar bin Khattab."
(Tirmidhi,Kitab-ul- Manaqib)
Hahdrat Mohammed PBUH knew that a prophet was not to succed him but Khilafat will. The same way he said that If Ibrahim (Huzur’s son) was to stay alive he would’ve been a true prophet.
The Holy Prophet (PBUH) told Hadrat 'Ali, "
You are related to me as Aaron was related to Moses(peace be upon him). But no Apostle will come after me."
(Bukhari and Muslim, Kitab Fada'il as-Sahaba)
Let me add to everyones knowledge that Aaron and Moses were brothers and prophets at the same time, same place. And clearly Hadhrat Mohammed PBUH is comparing this case with Hadhrat Ali since he is the cousin of Hadhrat Mohammed PBUH that as Hadhrat Haroon/Aaron A.S and Hadhrat Mosa were prophets at the same time and were related, You (Ali A.S) are related to Me (PBUH) but the only difference is that Aaron was a prophet and you are not. This particular Hadith if I am not mistaken is from when Hadhrat Mohammed PBUH was leaving Hadrat Ali R.A behind on an expedition. The same way Hadhrat Moses left Hadhrat Haroon/Aaron behind when he left for expedition.
Ibn Arabi also said whom u have quoted:
"It is established that the Messenger of Allah has said “Risala and Nubuwwa have ended, so there is no Rasul after me, nor nabī”. This hadīth is among the most bitter of truths that the Awliya’ had to swallow, because it is a barrier that comes between the human and his attainment of complete and ultimate servanthood ('ubudiyyah)."
(Futuhāt al-Makiyyah, Chapter 38)
It will be nice if you can provide the full context and/or version of translation. I have the what it seems the original copy of this book but there is not Chapter 38 in there.
Shahwali Ullah said whom u have quoted:
that as for that meaning of prophethood which is [a human sent by Allah to the people, obedience to whom is required, protected from sins and remaining in error] that, this (meaning of) prophethood can still be found in the leaders of the Community after him; then this person is a heretic (zindīq).
(Al-Musawwa Sharh al-Muwatta)
What is point that you are trying to make with Shahwali Ullah’s quote?
Narration of Hazrat Aisha (RA):
Firstly Prophet Muhammad (PUBH) himself said "no prophet after him"
Secondly The narration you quoted infact EXPOSE ur Qadiani Jammat
coz they failed to quote the very next narration in the same book which explain that why she said that say Khatam un nabiyeen but dont say la nabi badi, the next narration tells us that she said that becoz she believed in return of ESA IBN MARYAM(AS) [not mirza ibn chargbibi] the next narration in the very same book explains:
Ibn Abi Shaybah reported that Al-Sha’abī said, “A man at [the company of] Al- Mughīrah ibn Abī Shu'ubah said, ‘May Allah bless Muhammad, the seal of the prophets; there is no prophet after him.’ So Al-Mughīrah said, ‘It is enough for you to say ‘the seal of the prophets’, for we were being told that ‘Esā will be appearing. So, when he appears, he [‘Esā] would be before him and after him’.”
so u see why she said that
also she gave the hadith:
“From Hazrat Aisha (Allah be pleased with her):
The Prophet(SAW) said I am the last Prophet and my mosque is the last mosque among the mosques of the prophets”.
(Kanzul Ummal, Vol.12, p.270, Hadith No.34999)
It is weird to see that qadianis them self dont agree with Mirza Ghulam
so please dont get tricked by ur jammat tricks go to QURAN and Hadith and Saalf (the best genrations) and u will see that Qadianiyat is not Islam they are just exploiting the name of Islam
Last edited by xiaahmad; 31-Oct-2010 at 03:57 AM.
On hand you are providing the quote yourself that Hadhrat Ayesha RA did say that do not say La Nabiya Badi. Again you are stuck with the word Khatam here and taking it as the last when Hadhrat Ayesha clearly defines the meaning that He PBUH is Khatam-ul-Anbiya but not in terms of “La Nabiya Badi”.
Of course every Muslim (as far as I know) believes in return of Isa bin Maryam. But the question is that is it the same Isa A.S ? Qurran defies a physical up rising of the Isa A.S so there could never be a descend of the same Isa A.S. Infact Qurran talks about either the death of Isa or says what Hadhrat Isa USED to did in his life. Qurran does not talk about Hadhrat Isa in present form or live form at all.
As far as the Hadith of Kanzul Ummal, The hadith that is narreted every where is “ I am the Khatam Nabiyeen and this masjid is Kahtam-ul-Masajid”. No where in the hadith it is said anything about prophets (in plurals) last mosque.
As far as your comments at the end of this post. You need to understand that Jammat does not trick anyone. We agree 100% with Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad A.S writings. The Ahmadiyya Jamat is based on Qurran and Hadith. I think you and all the readers should also take the Qurran and Hadith as their guide. Remember that Qurran is words of Allah and Hadith are words of our prophet Mohammed PBUH. A true hadith can never go against the teachings or instructions of Qurran.
and now ur changing ur stance on Rasool thing u said MGA didnt claimed to be Rasul but I showed u that he did , but u didnt answer by the way according to ur own jammat ESA(AS) is not law bearing prophet.
I am not changing my stance. I was just showing you that Sunni beleifs consider Rasul and Nabi aur two different designations and one cannot be other.
If you were to read the books of Ahmadiyya you will find that Ahmadis believe the Nabi and Rasool are the same.
khatam has been used with other meanings but it has been used as seal in sense of ender as well and thats how MGA used it.
and remember ESA(AS) is already a Prophet so his return does not go against the Finality of Prophethood
let me make it simple for you.
If I take your meaning of Khatam which is “seal” as in sealing the envelope then how can Hadhrat Isa A.S come to this world when the entire world is sealed with no more prophets? Majority of the muslims believe that Hadhrat Isa A.S will return as the prophet. And one thing that I want to make clear here is that In Qurran Shareef Allah says that I have created this world for Mohammed PBUH. And If that same Mohammed PBUH is burried in Madina then how can any other prophet stay alive when his (Hadhrat’s Isa A.S) Shariiah has been replaced by Shariat-e-Mohammadi ?. This concept of returning of the same Isa A.S is just so astonishing that it sounds like a story from Alif Laila.
we believe in 124000 prophets
ESA is 123999th and Prophet Muhammad (PUBH) is 124000th now even if ESA(AS) returns he is still 123999th
but if Mirza is prophet then he is 1240001st got it
Lol This is funny. I challenge you to prove that Hadhrat Isa was 123999th prophet. Once you can prove that he is 123999th prohphet then I will give you my answer.
Mirza Ghulam himself translated the verse of Khatam un nabiyeen as:
"Nabiyoon ka Khatam karney wala" (thats MGA's own translation)
Then Mirza Ghulam called ESA(AS) Khatam al Anbiya of Bani Israel in barheen ahmadiyya vol 5 now can u explain us what that will mean?
So Muslims Ummah scholars, Prophet Muhammad (PUBH) and companions have been very very clear on the subject of finality of Prophethood, and remember Mirza Ghulam was Mirza Ghulam ibn Chargbibi not ESA IBN MARYAM
All u just gave is copy paste from ur website
The Holy Prophet (PBUH) said: "
O Bhai, Khatam does not means last… and this is how Mirza Sahab has used this word in his books.
If an prophet were to succeed me, it would have been 'Umar bin Khattab."
(Tirmidhi,Kitab-ul- Manaqib)
Hahdrat Mohammed PBUH knew that a prophet was not to succed him but Khilafat will. The same way he said that If Ibrahim (Huzur’s son) was to stay alive he would’ve been a true prophet.
The Holy Prophet (PBUH) told Hadrat 'Ali, "
You are related to me as Aaron was related to Moses(peace be upon him). But no Apostle will come after me."
(Bukhari and Muslim, Kitab Fada'il as-Sahaba)
Let me add to everyones knowledge that Aaron and Moses were brothers and prophets at the same time, same place. And clearly Hadhrat Mohammed PBUH is comparing this case with Hadhrat Ali since he is the cousin of Hadhrat Mohammed PBUH that as Hadhrat Haroon/Aaron A.S and Hadhrat Mosa were prophets at the same time and were related, You (Ali A.S) are related to Me (PBUH) but the only difference is that Aaron was a prophet and you are not. This particular Hadith if I am not mistaken is from when Hadhrat Mohammed PBUH was leaving Hadrat Ali R.A behind on an expedition. The same way Hadhrat Moses left Hadhrat Haroon/Aaron behind when he left for expedition.
Ibn Arabi also said whom u have quoted:
"It is established that the Messenger of Allah has said “Risala and Nubuwwa have ended, so there is no Rasul after me, nor nabī”. This hadīth is among the most bitter of truths that the Awliya’ had to swallow, because it is a barrier that comes between the human and his attainment of complete and ultimate servanthood ('ubudiyyah)."
(Futuhāt al-Makiyyah, Chapter 38)
It will be nice if you can provide the full context and/or version of translation. I have the what it seems the original copy of this book but there is not Chapter 38 in there.
Shahwali Ullah said whom u have quoted:
that as for that meaning of prophethood which is [a human sent by Allah to the people, obedience to whom is required, protected from sins and remaining in error] that, this (meaning of) prophethood can still be found in the leaders of the Community after him; then this person is a heretic (zindīq).
(Al-Musawwa Sharh al-Muwatta)
What is point that you are trying to make with Shahwali Ullah’s quote?
Narration of Hazrat Aisha (RA):
Firstly Prophet Muhammad (PUBH) himself said "no prophet after him"
Secondly The narration you quoted infact EXPOSE ur Qadiani Jammat
coz they failed to quote the very next narration in the same book which explain that why she said that say Khatam un nabiyeen but dont say la nabi badi, the next narration tells us that she said that becoz she believed in return of ESA IBN MARYAM(AS) [not mirza ibn chargbibi] the next narration in the very same book explains:
Ibn Abi Shaybah reported that Al-Sha’abī said, “A man at [the company of] Al- Mughīrah ibn Abī Shu'ubah said, ‘May Allah bless Muhammad, the seal of the prophets; there is no prophet after him.’ So Al-Mughīrah said, ‘It is enough for you to say ‘the seal of the prophets’, for we were being told that ‘Esā will be appearing. So, when he appears, he [‘Esā] would be before him and after him’.”
so u see why she said that
also she gave the hadith:
“From Hazrat Aisha (Allah be pleased with her):
The Prophet(SAW) said I am the last Prophet and my mosque is the last mosque among the mosques of the prophets”.
(Kanzul Ummal, Vol.12, p.270, Hadith No.34999)
It is weird to see that qadianis them self dont agree with Mirza Ghulam
so please dont get tricked by ur jammat tricks go to QURAN and Hadith and Saalf (the best genrations) and u will see that Qadianiyat is not Islam they are just exploiting the name of Islam
Last edited by xiaahmad; 31-Oct-2010 at 03:57 AM.
On hand you are providing the quote yourself that Hadhrat Ayesha RA did say that do not say La Nabiya Badi. Again you are stuck with the word Khatam here and taking it as the last when Hadhrat Ayesha clearly defines the meaning that He PBUH is Khatam-ul-Anbiya but not in terms of “La Nabiya Badi”.
Of course every Muslim (as far as I know) believes in return of Isa bin Maryam. But the question is that is it the same Isa A.S ? Qurran defies a physical up rising of the Isa A.S so there could never be a descend of the same Isa A.S. Infact Qurran talks about either the death of Isa or says what Hadhrat Isa USED to did in his life. Qurran does not talk about Hadhrat Isa in present form or live form at all.
As far as the Hadith of Kanzul Ummal, The hadith that is narreted every where is “ I am the Khatam Nabiyeen and this masjid is Kahtam-ul-Masajid”. No where in the hadith it is said anything about prophets (in plurals) last mosque.
As far as your comments at the end of this post. You need to understand that Jammat does not trick anyone. We agree 100% with Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad A.S writings. The Ahmadiyya Jamat is based on Qurran and Hadith. I think you and all the readers should also take the Qurran and Hadith as their guide. Remember that Qurran is words of Allah and Hadith are words of our prophet Mohammed PBUH. A true hadith can never go against the teachings or instructions of Qurran.
Originally Posted by Kaleem_ch
These differences were taken from a sunni website and I have mentioned that I am quoting it from the website. It is the sunni website who is declaring that Hadhrat Isa brought a new shariat.
Ahmadis only beleive Hadhrat Isa as a Nabi and by the way we do not differentiate in a Nabi and Rasool as such.
Difference between Nabi and Rasool is established centuries before Ghulamd Ahmed's contaminated Islamic believes for his sake.
You do not differentiate between Nabi and Rasool, does that means since 1200 Muslims were wrong and Miraze corrected them?
Last edited by atensari; 31-Oct-2010 at 04:16 AM.
It is pretty clear that with time wrong concepts do enter in to a religion and for this very reason Hadhrat Mohammed PBUH advised the second coming of Hadhrat Isa A.S and Imam Mahdi.
Can you tell me the difference through Qurran Shareef?
These differences were taken from a sunni website and I have mentioned that I am quoting it from the website. It is the sunni website who is declaring that Hadhrat Isa brought a new shariat.
Ahmadis only beleive Hadhrat Isa as a Nabi and by the way we do not differentiate in a Nabi and Rasool as such.
Difference between Nabi and Rasool is established centuries before Ghulamd Ahmed's contaminated Islamic believes for his sake.
You do not differentiate between Nabi and Rasool, does that means since 1200 Muslims were wrong and Miraze corrected them?
Last edited by atensari; 31-Oct-2010 at 04:16 AM.
It is pretty clear that with time wrong concepts do enter in to a religion and for this very reason Hadhrat Mohammed PBUH advised the second coming of Hadhrat Isa A.S and Imam Mahdi.
Can you tell me the difference through Qurran Shareef?
Re: The Qadiani Ahmadiyya Lahore Tragedy By Truth Unvield
[FONT="]Imam Abu Hanifa (80 A.H.-150 A.H.)[/FONT]
[FONT="]A man in the time of laid claim to Prophethood and said "Let me show you the proofs of my prophethood."
The great Imam thereupon warned the people: "Anyone who asks of this man the credentials of prophethood, shall become an apostate, for the Prophet of God (PBUH) has explicitly declared: "No prophet will come after me."
[/FONT]Ibn Jarir Tabari (224 A.H.-310 A.H.)
In his renowned commentary of the holy Qur'an gives the following interpretation of the verse, 'walakin Rasul Allahi wa Khatam-ul Nabiyyin': "He has closed and sealed the prophethood and the door (of prophethood) shall not open for anyone till the end of the world." (Vide Commentary of Ibn-i-Jarir, Vol. 22, p.12)
thats how much clear muslims have been so qadianis must learn about Islam frm good sources instead of through fake propaganda by their organization
Xia,
If this is the case the no prophet will ever come after Hadhrat Mohammed PBUH then why are you waiting for Hadhrat Isa to come ?
[FONT="]Imam Abu Hanifa (80 A.H.-150 A.H.)[/FONT]
[FONT="]A man in the time of laid claim to Prophethood and said "Let me show you the proofs of my prophethood."
The great Imam thereupon warned the people: "Anyone who asks of this man the credentials of prophethood, shall become an apostate, for the Prophet of God (PBUH) has explicitly declared: "No prophet will come after me."
[/FONT]Ibn Jarir Tabari (224 A.H.-310 A.H.)
In his renowned commentary of the holy Qur'an gives the following interpretation of the verse, 'walakin Rasul Allahi wa Khatam-ul Nabiyyin': "He has closed and sealed the prophethood and the door (of prophethood) shall not open for anyone till the end of the world." (Vide Commentary of Ibn-i-Jarir, Vol. 22, p.12)
thats how much clear muslims have been so qadianis must learn about Islam frm good sources instead of through fake propaganda by their organization
Xia,
If this is the case the no prophet will ever come after Hadhrat Mohammed PBUH then why are you waiting for Hadhrat Isa to come ?
Re: The Qadiani Ahmadiyya Lahore Tragedy By Truth Unvield
Originally Posted by digitalzygot http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?p=195396#post195396
Avoid Qadiane fitna, it's our job to speak the truth. Thanks for posting informative videos. But sad thing is that as a Muslim we are suppose to protect all the minorities in Pakistan and provide them security, we failed in Lahore tragedy, it doesn't matter what religion they belong to. There was loss of innocent lives and act of terrorism, my heart goes out to all families and hopefully culprits will be caught soon.
I agree Qadiniat is falsehood.However,there is no justification in killing them.They may not be Muslims but they are Citizens of Pakistan and The State is duty bound to protect them.During Prophet Mohammad's (SWAS) time Christians,jews and other non Muslims would pay " Jazia" and lived peacefully in Mecca.
If we are falsehood then you should be praying to Allah to finish the Ahmadiyyat. Dua is one thing that gets listened. If these Mullahs are doing a great service to Islam by ordering that Ahmadis are wajab-ul-qatal then they are paying the price in terms of getting the Wrath of Allah Almighty. It is pretty clear and obvious what Muslims have become and how they are known in the entire world. Pakistan which is called the “Islam ka qila” is the place where hundreds of people get killed daily, Bribery and injustice is so common that it’s not even thought to be a bad thing anymore, women are getting killed everyday by using the “ Ghairat “terminology. I could go on and on with the list of all the things are just so unIslamic in the land of pure Pakistan, the Qila of Islam. But I do not want to go on since it is my own country. I was born and raised there and so were my parents and their parents. Ahmadis just follow the hadith that Love for the nation/country is part of the faith. Inshallah one day people of Pakistan will turn towards the true Islam and Pakistan will stay until the day of judgement.
Originally Posted by digitalzygot http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?p=195396#post195396
Avoid Qadiane fitna, it's our job to speak the truth. Thanks for posting informative videos. But sad thing is that as a Muslim we are suppose to protect all the minorities in Pakistan and provide them security, we failed in Lahore tragedy, it doesn't matter what religion they belong to. There was loss of innocent lives and act of terrorism, my heart goes out to all families and hopefully culprits will be caught soon.
I agree Qadiniat is falsehood.However,there is no justification in killing them.They may not be Muslims but they are Citizens of Pakistan and The State is duty bound to protect them.During Prophet Mohammad's (SWAS) time Christians,jews and other non Muslims would pay " Jazia" and lived peacefully in Mecca.
If we are falsehood then you should be praying to Allah to finish the Ahmadiyyat. Dua is one thing that gets listened. If these Mullahs are doing a great service to Islam by ordering that Ahmadis are wajab-ul-qatal then they are paying the price in terms of getting the Wrath of Allah Almighty. It is pretty clear and obvious what Muslims have become and how they are known in the entire world. Pakistan which is called the “Islam ka qila” is the place where hundreds of people get killed daily, Bribery and injustice is so common that it’s not even thought to be a bad thing anymore, women are getting killed everyday by using the “ Ghairat “terminology. I could go on and on with the list of all the things are just so unIslamic in the land of pure Pakistan, the Qila of Islam. But I do not want to go on since it is my own country. I was born and raised there and so were my parents and their parents. Ahmadis just follow the hadith that Love for the nation/country is part of the faith. Inshallah one day people of Pakistan will turn towards the true Islam and Pakistan will stay until the day of judgement.
sayeenwada
Councller (250+ posts)
Well, the connection is that these mulaas represent a mid-evil version of Islam, which incubates hate, terror, suicide bombers that roam the Nation as savage beasts bombing shrines and Masjids...All this sets into motion the savagery that a society unleashes amongst themselves as we witnessed in the Sialkot attacks amongst many others in Pakistan...
According to a Hadith, which can easily be located....mulaas of the current time are declared to be the worst among the people on earth and shall resemble monkeys and pigs....They will be the worst because they lead people astray as you can see with what has happened to Pakistan...consider the past 30 years and see how the country has progressed.
According to a Hadith, which can easily be located....mulaas of the current time are declared to be the worst among the people on earth and shall resemble monkeys and pigs....They will be the worst because they lead people astray as you can see with what has happened to Pakistan...consider the past 30 years and see how the country has progressed.
Re: The Qadiani Ahmadiyya Lahore Tragedy By Truth Unvield
Originally Posted by canadian http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?p=265249#post265249
I agree Qadiniat is falsehood.However,there is no justification in killing them.They may not be Muslims but they are Citizens of Pakistan and The State is duty bound to protect them.During Prophet Mohammad's (SWAS) time Christians,jews and other non Muslims would pay " Jazia" and lived peacefully in Mecca.
By not abiding by the law Qadiyani are creating problems for themselves and for others.
What is law? calling some one a non-muslim? Or stoping them to pray in front of Allah, Reading Qurran Shareef, saying Assalamo Alaikum ? This is just so disgusting. You can put whatever laws in the parliament but you cannot stop a true muslim from praying to Allah or calling themselves a muslim.
If you are so tempted by this law then why don’t you ask your politcians to release the 1974 assembly proceedings in which Ahmadis were declared non muslims. Bring it out so everyone can read it and decide on their own who is a true muslim and who is using the name of Islam for their benefit.
Originally Posted by canadian http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?p=265249#post265249
I agree Qadiniat is falsehood.However,there is no justification in killing them.They may not be Muslims but they are Citizens of Pakistan and The State is duty bound to protect them.During Prophet Mohammad's (SWAS) time Christians,jews and other non Muslims would pay " Jazia" and lived peacefully in Mecca.
By not abiding by the law Qadiyani are creating problems for themselves and for others.
PM Reply With Quote
What is law? calling some one a non-muslim? Or stoping them to pray in front of Allah, Reading Qurran Shareef, saying Assalamo Alaikum ? This is just so disgusting. You can put whatever laws in the parliament but you cannot stop a true muslim from praying to Allah or calling themselves a muslim.
If you are so tempted by this law then why don’t you ask your politcians to release the 1974 assembly proceedings in which Ahmadis were declared non muslims. Bring it out so everyone can read it and decide on their own who is a true muslim and who is using the name of Islam for their benefit.
Re: The Qadiani Ahmadiyya Lahore Tragedy By Truth Unvield
Qadiyanies! here is more detail of your favorite Hadeeth about "Worst Creature", hopefully your so-called Khalifa and other high ranked Qadiyanies are not accumulating wealth on the name of Religion.
We call can see who is the worst creature. Read the Hadith and you get the answer yourself because it is self explanatory
Qadiyanies! here is more detail of your favorite Hadeeth about "Worst Creature", hopefully your so-called Khalifa and other high ranked Qadiyanies are not accumulating wealth on the name of Religion.
We call can see who is the worst creature. Read the Hadith and you get the answer yourself because it is self explanatory
binmahmood
Councller (250+ posts)
Your each and every post is aimed with hatred in your mind. I know you can't judge it, prejudice won't allow you to do so. You are treating different types with same way. Bombing shrines, killing innocents is not the inspiration of any version of Islam. Burning a kid's hand, is however taught by Mirza Ghulam Qadyani. Reference can be provided on demand.
sayeenwada
Councller (250+ posts)
We do pray sir, and we pray for you too, and, Muslims across the globe so that they realize before it is too late that the Imam of the age is calling you to the true Islam. We pray for our beautiful country Pakistan and pray that May Allah the Exalted pulverizer the animals that have ruined Pakistan as well.
This is how Allah the Exalted protects and brings respect upon His Exalted people...unlike the pathetic moulvis that have setup terror factories and the savage politicians which have destroyed the fabric of this Nation..
This is how Allah the Exalted protects and brings respect upon His Exalted people...unlike the pathetic moulvis that have setup terror factories and the savage politicians which have destroyed the fabric of this Nation..
sayeenwada
Councller (250+ posts)
Really!!...you mean the laws enacted to play god on earth by moulivs and politicians by taking away the most basic fundamental human right one has to recite the Kalima and call themselves a Muslim is not the version of Islam you accept?...
Really??????...wow, I agree with you sir, and this is exactly what the Hadrath Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Massih Maoud/Mahdi Maoud (AS) taught us.
You are welcome to explain where the inspiration comes from with respect to all the jihadi kids blowing up people, lal-madjid terrorists, masjids and shrines bombed accross the country... Muslims divided into 72 sects killing each other and being killed by the western powers etc..etc.
binmahmood
Councller (250+ posts)
Even if we are divided in 72 sects, trust me it's lovely to be known as Muslims by other Muslims. Sorry for hurting you but you are Non Muslims ;) I really apologize for hitting your G spot repeatedly. ;)
sayeenwada
Councller (250+ posts)
you poor soul, don't bring upon yourself the Wrath of Allah the Exalted...we are all going to die one day. so, what will you do against my declaration
sayeenwada, You are repeated posting rubbish videos. what is the logic of posting following videos. If a mullah has committed a crime do not blame Islam; if an elderly person is drunk (seemingly drunk) and is dancing do not blame Islam; if a mob kills two innocent brother do not blame Islam; if Taliban are training suicide bombers do not blame Islam; if an elderly Sufi is dancing in presence of so-called scholar Tahir-ul-Qadri do not blame Islam.. Because non of these are teaching of Islam.
Open you eyes, your brain and listen, even if all Muslim in the world are deviated from their path, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) will still remain the last Prophet. The best path is the path of Quraan and Sunnah (pbuh), just follow this path to be successful in hereafter. Do not blindly follow anybody! Once somebody points out an error in your believe check what Quraan and Sunnah (pbuh) has to say on that topic.
Binmahmood,
We are not like the other muslims who preach killings and just pass Fatwas of declaring each others Kafirs. Nor do we practice the Jihad they way you do will killing innocent people.
You fool when a person is born in a country he is the citizen of that country by birth and by the way "Islamic Republic of PAkistan" is against the vision of Quaid-e-Azam. You differ from the views of Pakistan's Father. Now does this make you a Pakistani Hater or what ?
You and your Ulemas are ones who are spreading hatred. Just watch some slips on youtube of Ulemas calling each other KAfirs. And on top of that if they were so loving then what was the point of making a law where an Ahmadi cannot say Assalamo Alaikum to other muslims ?
Think about it man. All I am saying is Assalamo Alaikum or Kalima Shahada and you want to kill me for that ? Now who is the hater ?
It is funny how you guys are turning around on Talibans. Up until 2008 they were your Mujahidins and were doing the Jihad-b-Alkital.
I agree with you that following Qurran and Sunnah is the best thing to do. But then isn't that's what Ahmadi's have been saying from the past 120 years?
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