The Qadiani Ahmadiyya Lahore Tragedy By Truth Unvield
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sayeenwada
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CULTS???.....You mean the Munafiq moulvi Cults that are bombing the country?...you better ask them.
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digitalzygot
Senator (1k+ posts)
@Sayeenwada you have tried to mask your hidden agenda and propaganda in a very clever and manipulative way, you just talk about couple of people and than post disturbing pics. Branding every Moulana as a terrorist is what you are trying to do and than labelling anyone who actually follows them becomes a terrorist exactly what INDIA, ISRAEL and WEST want. You failed to mention that millions of moulanas have strongly condemned suicides attacks and have called them unislamic, it's an act of kuffars to kill innocent Muslims but ofcourse you don't care your agenda is to brand everyone terrorist except yourself, the reason you don't like them is they are a hurdle to your cause as they show true face of Qadianis and inform people about this fitna.
You believe in something I don't care it's your own religion, you live in Pakistan and our job is to provide you security which we have for the past decades and your job is to be patriotic and stop posting such nonsense, many christians, shias have fought and died bravely for our beloved nation but they don't advertise just like you did. The aim of Lahore terrorist incident backed by foreign elements was to cause disharmony amongst minority groups. Why did you fail to mention about all other Pakistanis dying as a result of these terrorist activities.
You believe in something I don't care it's your own religion, you live in Pakistan and our job is to provide you security which we have for the past decades and your job is to be patriotic and stop posting such nonsense, many christians, shias have fought and died bravely for our beloved nation but they don't advertise just like you did. The aim of Lahore terrorist incident backed by foreign elements was to cause disharmony amongst minority groups. Why did you fail to mention about all other Pakistanis dying as a result of these terrorist activities.
sayeenwada
Councller (250+ posts)
Thanks digital!
a) I am an ignorant person. I should know better, Thanks! Pakistan is in great shape, I am just full of it right?....Pakistan bombed again today, Data Gungh Baksh looks great, moon market, thousands dead, corrupt fraudulent politicians with fake degrees, 10 percent in-charge, countless Maasajids bombed.....
Ever wonder why this all happened?....There is a Hadith you know, where it is stated that the current lot of moulvis (not every single one of them) that you call ulema or moulana will be the worst people on the face of the earth as they are the ones that lead people astray thus Allah the Exalted leaves you to wonder and become savages and removes HIS Exalted's barkats....so many become savages as we find in Pakistan as well as others across the globe amongst the ummah.
b) Ahamdi Muslims are constantly berated and said to be British agents, don't care for Pakistan etc. etc. so, I posted the great Men as well as Generals that fought for Pakistan name me two others that you know off that can stand to the size of Gen Abdul Ali and Gen Akhtar?????...
c) Ahmadis are not a minority! how does one declare people born and living for generations in what is now Pakistan as minorities?....that is laughable, only the thieves and fake degree frauds in Parliament and the corrupt moulvis can come up with such garbage.....
Wake Up! look what they have done to the ummah...
a) I am an ignorant person. I should know better, Thanks! Pakistan is in great shape, I am just full of it right?....Pakistan bombed again today, Data Gungh Baksh looks great, moon market, thousands dead, corrupt fraudulent politicians with fake degrees, 10 percent in-charge, countless Maasajids bombed.....
Ever wonder why this all happened?....There is a Hadith you know, where it is stated that the current lot of moulvis (not every single one of them) that you call ulema or moulana will be the worst people on the face of the earth as they are the ones that lead people astray thus Allah the Exalted leaves you to wonder and become savages and removes HIS Exalted's barkats....so many become savages as we find in Pakistan as well as others across the globe amongst the ummah.
b) Ahamdi Muslims are constantly berated and said to be British agents, don't care for Pakistan etc. etc. so, I posted the great Men as well as Generals that fought for Pakistan name me two others that you know off that can stand to the size of Gen Abdul Ali and Gen Akhtar?????...
c) Ahmadis are not a minority! how does one declare people born and living for generations in what is now Pakistan as minorities?....that is laughable, only the thieves and fake degree frauds in Parliament and the corrupt moulvis can come up with such garbage.....
Wake Up! look what they have done to the ummah...
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digitalzygot
Senator (1k+ posts)
You have done this again, you are relating different things, no doubt we are not in great shape it's not because everyone in Pakistan wants to kill Qadianis this is just ridiculous I had Qadiani neighbours and friends I never questioned their belief or said anything bad and they never felt or said anything like what you are saying so as my other friends. Our politicians have made bad choices, we should have never been part of so called war of terror, foreign anti state elements got the chance to fund,aid and equip foreign and few home grown terrorists to commit these heinous acts in our country, their aim is to potray that Pakistan isn't safe, extremist taliban everywhere (which is a big lie and propaganda), block international investment, trade, instigate minorities and sects to fight amongst each other (your posts are helping their cause) and they have succeeded. Soon Inshanallah everything will be fine we are going through a bad phase and it's not going to lst for long.
Second thing you have tried to do is post wrong info and tell people that please don't listen to your mosque maulanas as they are nuts or extremists and misleading, people are not naive or stupid, please stop this pathetic propaganda. 3rd you said NAME THOSE WHO WERE BETTER THAN THOSE QADIANI GENERALS, please note millions of people and soilders have fought and died for this nations. I DON'T NEED TO MENTION ANY NAMES, IT'S NOT BATTLE OF NAMES BUT THE CAUSE THEY FOUGHT FOR (PAKISTAN) YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF TAKING NAMES, THEY WERE SOILDERS AND IT WAS THEIR JOB, PLEASE DON'T EMBARASS yourself.
Dah!! how many Qadianis exist in Pakistan I don't know because they never tell or declare their religion so yes they are a minority I am sure they are not even a million in 170 million population so yes technically they are a minority.
Second thing you have tried to do is post wrong info and tell people that please don't listen to your mosque maulanas as they are nuts or extremists and misleading, people are not naive or stupid, please stop this pathetic propaganda. 3rd you said NAME THOSE WHO WERE BETTER THAN THOSE QADIANI GENERALS, please note millions of people and soilders have fought and died for this nations. I DON'T NEED TO MENTION ANY NAMES, IT'S NOT BATTLE OF NAMES BUT THE CAUSE THEY FOUGHT FOR (PAKISTAN) YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF TAKING NAMES, THEY WERE SOILDERS AND IT WAS THEIR JOB, PLEASE DON'T EMBARASS yourself.
Dah!! how many Qadianis exist in Pakistan I don't know because they never tell or declare their religion so yes they are a minority I am sure they are not even a million in 170 million population so yes technically they are a minority.
First of all Mubashir did not invited any of our Allam if he does so people's mind will be open.
2nd i watch AK interview if you watch it with fear of God then you will see that he had issues with a member of Jamat that is what he said in his interview. He left Jamat due to this issues according to him. His statement clearly shows that he had no problem with the Aqaid (Belief) of Jamat. If he was innocent and got unfair punishment from Jamat his own family would never leave him. (Lant Allah hey alal Qazabeen)
2nd i watch AK interview if you watch it with fear of God then you will see that he had issues with a member of Jamat that is what he said in his interview. He left Jamat due to this issues according to him. His statement clearly shows that he had no problem with the Aqaid (Belief) of Jamat. If he was innocent and got unfair punishment from Jamat his own family would never leave him. (Lant Allah hey alal Qazabeen)
gazoomartian
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
seems like you KNOW who those bombers are, why dont you report them? How do you know them? Are you part of the bomb planing people? Is your religious cult behind the scene on all this terrors?? How do you know these 'mullahs' and 'maulvis' are committing act of terror, may be they are YOUR 'mullahs', 'maulvis', or 'mirzais'? How do we know that they are not your??
I have asked other Qadyanis but no got answer. I am asking YOU, hopefully you will be nice enough to answer me. Questions are:
1. Christians, Jews, and Hindus call themselves Christian, Jew, and Hindu. Why is it that Qadyanis do not call them a Qadyani (or make up a new name)? Why do you have to rely on the word 'muslim' to associate with? Are you ashamed of being a qadyani?
2. Israel is a sworn enemy of Muslim. Why is the headquarter of the Qadyani's cult located in Jeruslem? I know its true because I have seen a letterhead of a local Qadyani officewith my own eyes.
3. Do you pray your sunnah in bathroom since Mirza died in his bathroom? I am not insulting, just stating the fact
You may want to talk with your senior 'hozoor' before replying. Thanks and I hope you aren't offended. just 3 simple questions, no insults implied.
Good day
digitalzygot
Senator (1k+ posts)
LOL Gazoo they won't reply to that, they will just keep posting nonsense propaganda and will keep embarassing themselves, they don't have anything to say cuzz they know they are wrong but they will keep twisting the subject and will try to divert from the main topic or infuriate people so they can cash on their anger and than say see you hate us, childish.
@Saqi "you people said Ahamdis are not loyal to Pakistan. its just proof that you do not tell lie to your generation" wdf are you talking about. Your so called horoes DON'T DECLARE WHO THEY ARE WHEN THEY RECRUITED IN ANY DEPARTMENT OF PAKISTAN and when was it that they declared that they were Qadianis after their so called heroic act, HOW ARE THEY DIFFERENT TO OTHER THOUSANDS OF OUR BRAVE SOILDERS & OFFICERS WHO LAID THEIR LIFE FOR THIS COUNTRY. Again stop twisting reality and posting nonsense just like Banyas.
@Saqi "you people said Ahamdis are not loyal to Pakistan. its just proof that you do not tell lie to your generation" wdf are you talking about. Your so called horoes DON'T DECLARE WHO THEY ARE WHEN THEY RECRUITED IN ANY DEPARTMENT OF PAKISTAN and when was it that they declared that they were Qadianis after their so called heroic act, HOW ARE THEY DIFFERENT TO OTHER THOUSANDS OF OUR BRAVE SOILDERS & OFFICERS WHO LAID THEIR LIFE FOR THIS COUNTRY. Again stop twisting reality and posting nonsense just like Banyas.
atensari
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Qadiyani are speaking the language of their masters no doubt "Kuffars are single nation"
karachiwala
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
"God told me: 'You are just like my son'." (Tazkira, by mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani)
If mirza was just like Gods son then who is the real son of God. In case it is Jesus then how can mirza be maseeh . that makes him only a maseel e maseeh . how can just like my son and my son be the same man. Does not this make the mirza a patient of multiple personality disorder? The Quran says god does not have a son. So how can Mirza be just like the Son of God if there is no Son in the first place.why would god use the term son even metaphorically to Mirza when he is so adamant that he has no son. Why even make such a ridiculous comparison?. Now if Jesus is dead then there is no son and even if a father is referring to a dead son then the son did exist sometime in the past. But if this true then God did have a son according to Mirza.
I prayed that a rock that rested on my head be turned into a buffalo. When I raised my head I saw that it indeed turned into a buffalo. (Haqiqat-ul-Mahdi pg 10 by mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani)
Why was a rock resting on mirzas head in the first place. Secondly why did mirza wish the rock to be turned into a buffalo. Thirdly what did the mirza do with this buffalo ?.
About the revelation to the Promised Messiah that he would die in either Makkah or Madina, we would say that both are the names of Qadian. (Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud ahmad qadiani , Al-Fazl 5 January 1933)
How can makkah or medina be the names of Qadian. Secondly the mirza died in Lahore not Qadian. Does not this make mirza basheerudin mahmoud ahmad qadiiani a miserable student of geography.
'and they ask you that is this thing (regarding prediction of my marriage with mohammadi begum )is true. say Yes, I swear upon God this is true and you cannot stop this thing from happening, we have married her to you ourselves; no one can change my words. And they will turn their faces and will not accept and will say that this is real jugglary or magic.' (letter of mirza qadiani to mir abbas ali , 28th December 1891" )
If the marriage of mirza ghulam ahmad qadianis s marriage to muhammadi was a decision of God then why did it not take place? Hakim nurudin bhairvi , first successor of mirza in his explanation said that the marriage could also mean marriage between asabah, i.e some boy from mirzas progeny getting married to some girl of muhmaamdi begums progeny. So this means that if I want to marry a woman and cannot my son can marry her daughter and that way my marriage to her mother also takes place automatically. If nurudins absolutely absurd logic is taken seriously then my samdhan is also my wife. This means my daughter in law is also my daughter and as she is married to my son they are committing incest.
The mirza predicted that a virgin and a widow would enter his wedlockin fact no widow entered his wedlock.
The explanation for this given byis that nusrat jahan begum, the second wife of mirza qadiani was a virgin when she married him and after his death became a widow so the prediction came true. How can one woman be two. the sheer idiotic nature of such explanations is mind boggling Kindly shower some anwaar e qadian on this darkness please.
On 5 March 1905 I saw an angel. When asked, he said his name was Tichi Tichi!(Haqiqat-ul-Wahi pg 332 by mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani)
What did tichi tichi teach the mirza. Why hasnt mirza written about what tichi tichi revealed to him. In case tichi tichi was just paying a courtesy call then how come he never paid a visit to any previous prophet before.
Holy Quran is full of filthy words. (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.115-117 by mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani )
If this is so then why do you follow the Quran or consider it Holy ?.
"Initially I had promised to write it in 50 volumes. Since the difference between 5 and 50 is only ZERO, my promised is now fulfilled after writing the 5th volume. (zamima /preface of the fifth volume of Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya by mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani ).
A promise is a promise and instead of admitting his failure mirza qadiani has the audacity to make a statement which is mathematically impossible and morally ludicrous. In case the mirza was joking then the entire braheen e ahmadiyya also can be a big joke. Kindly show me what arithmethical formula if applied can result in a deduction from 50 by zero resulting in 5.
The Promised Messiah used to say that the books of Hadith are like a
magicians bag. You can produce anything out of it! (mirza Bashiruddin
Mahmud ahmad qadiani , Al-Fazl 15 July 1924)
how interesting! now if this is true then why do you quote some ahadees from this magicians bag and conveniently ignore others. the damascene hadees upon which your entire faith is based upon is also from the same bag. therefore would it not be incorrect to assume that since the very hadees upon which mirza qadiani based his claims of being the messiah could also be a mere fabrication.
"It is a fact that Muhammad worked only three thousand miracles... My Miracles exceed one million in numbers." (Ijaze-e-Ahmadi, Page 79; by mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani )
first of all the claim that prophet muhammad worked three thousand miracles is itself questionable. now since mirza qadianiss definitely exceed a million where is the evidence of this .
god has sent ten thousand signs in my favour (tohfatun nadwa page 4 by mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani)
tohfatun nadwa was published in 1902. despite passage of over 107 years the mirza nor his khaleefas have been able to produce these purported signs. i appeal to you to do so. kindly enumerate these ten thousand signs so that i may forward it to the space and upper atmosphere research commission of pakistan for anaylisis.
While I was in a trance, Fatima daughter of Muhammad
placed my head on her thigh! (Azala e Awham pg 11by mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani )
first of all why was mirza in a trance, secondly why did he meet a non mehram woman in this trance ,thirdly why did she put a non mehram mans head on her thigh of all places. be careful this is the prophets daughter mirza is talking about.
I hold a hundred Husains in my collar all the time. The sacrifice of a
hundred Hussains equals mine of every single moment. (Nuzool-al-Maseeh, pg 99, by mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani )
what kind of collar did mirza have which could accommodate so many hussians. secondly isnt comparing ones sacrifice to hussiaNs quite silly. imam hussain was martyred in karbala whereas mirza qadiani died after suffering many bouts of dysentary. how can the two be even compared.
once I put some matter in writing and placed before the Almighty for His signature. God signed it without hesitation with blackness in red ink the Almighty shook his pen and drops of ink fell on my kurta
(Tiryaq ul-Qulub pg 33 by mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani )
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS KURTA WHICH I AM SURE THE FAMILY OF THE MIRZA MUST HAVE KEPT IN SAFE CUSTODY AS IT CONTAINS GODS INK. I AM SURE THAT THIS MUBARAK KURTA MUST BE WELL PRESERVED IN THE BAITUL FUTOOH OR SADR ANJUMAN AHMADIYA ARCHIVES AT RABWAH. if not then what happended to this rabbani arshi and
"Just as the Aryan people are awaiting the coming of Shri Krishna. I am the same Krishna, and this claim is not only mine but God repeatedly revealed to me that I am the same Krishna, the King of the Aryans to come in the last days of the World." (Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Page 45, BY Mirza Ghulam AHMAD Qadiani)
However in kitab ul bariyah mirza sAys he is Persian so how can a Persian be also an Aryan LET ALONE KING OF THE ARYANS. SECONDLY EVEN IF THEY ARE HIS FOREIGN SUBJECTS THEN HAS ANY HINDU ORGANISATION SUCH AS THE MAHASABAHA, RSS, VHP, SHIV SENA ETC ACCEPTED THE MIRZA AS SHRI KRISHNA.
Since only those people can go on Hajj who have the means and are rich, although Divine Movements always initially spread amongst the poor and poor are excused from Hajj. Thus God has fixed one more ZILLI HAJJ so that those people with whom He wants to take the task of Islam's uprising and those poor that is the muslims of India may also participate in it." ( MiRZA BASHEERUDIN Mehmood Ahmad,QADIANI alFazl vol.20 No.66 dated 1st Dec 1932)
IF GOD HAS EXEMPTED POOR MUSLIMS FROM HAJJ WHY SOHULD THEY BE FORCED TO GO ON ANY PILGRIMAGE. WHAT SPIRITUAL BENEFITS CAN ONE AVAIL IN QADIAN ACCEPT JALEBIS FROM THE LOCAL SIKH HALWAI.
If mirza was just like Gods son then who is the real son of God. In case it is Jesus then how can mirza be maseeh . that makes him only a maseel e maseeh . how can just like my son and my son be the same man. Does not this make the mirza a patient of multiple personality disorder? The Quran says god does not have a son. So how can Mirza be just like the Son of God if there is no Son in the first place.why would god use the term son even metaphorically to Mirza when he is so adamant that he has no son. Why even make such a ridiculous comparison?. Now if Jesus is dead then there is no son and even if a father is referring to a dead son then the son did exist sometime in the past. But if this true then God did have a son according to Mirza.
I prayed that a rock that rested on my head be turned into a buffalo. When I raised my head I saw that it indeed turned into a buffalo. (Haqiqat-ul-Mahdi pg 10 by mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani)
Why was a rock resting on mirzas head in the first place. Secondly why did mirza wish the rock to be turned into a buffalo. Thirdly what did the mirza do with this buffalo ?.
About the revelation to the Promised Messiah that he would die in either Makkah or Madina, we would say that both are the names of Qadian. (Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmud ahmad qadiani , Al-Fazl 5 January 1933)
How can makkah or medina be the names of Qadian. Secondly the mirza died in Lahore not Qadian. Does not this make mirza basheerudin mahmoud ahmad qadiiani a miserable student of geography.
'and they ask you that is this thing (regarding prediction of my marriage with mohammadi begum )is true. say Yes, I swear upon God this is true and you cannot stop this thing from happening, we have married her to you ourselves; no one can change my words. And they will turn their faces and will not accept and will say that this is real jugglary or magic.' (letter of mirza qadiani to mir abbas ali , 28th December 1891" )
If the marriage of mirza ghulam ahmad qadianis s marriage to muhammadi was a decision of God then why did it not take place? Hakim nurudin bhairvi , first successor of mirza in his explanation said that the marriage could also mean marriage between asabah, i.e some boy from mirzas progeny getting married to some girl of muhmaamdi begums progeny. So this means that if I want to marry a woman and cannot my son can marry her daughter and that way my marriage to her mother also takes place automatically. If nurudins absolutely absurd logic is taken seriously then my samdhan is also my wife. This means my daughter in law is also my daughter and as she is married to my son they are committing incest.
The mirza predicted that a virgin and a widow would enter his wedlockin fact no widow entered his wedlock.
The explanation for this given byis that nusrat jahan begum, the second wife of mirza qadiani was a virgin when she married him and after his death became a widow so the prediction came true. How can one woman be two. the sheer idiotic nature of such explanations is mind boggling Kindly shower some anwaar e qadian on this darkness please.
On 5 March 1905 I saw an angel. When asked, he said his name was Tichi Tichi!(Haqiqat-ul-Wahi pg 332 by mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani)
What did tichi tichi teach the mirza. Why hasnt mirza written about what tichi tichi revealed to him. In case tichi tichi was just paying a courtesy call then how come he never paid a visit to any previous prophet before.
Holy Quran is full of filthy words. (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.115-117 by mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani )
If this is so then why do you follow the Quran or consider it Holy ?.
"Initially I had promised to write it in 50 volumes. Since the difference between 5 and 50 is only ZERO, my promised is now fulfilled after writing the 5th volume. (zamima /preface of the fifth volume of Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya by mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani ).
A promise is a promise and instead of admitting his failure mirza qadiani has the audacity to make a statement which is mathematically impossible and morally ludicrous. In case the mirza was joking then the entire braheen e ahmadiyya also can be a big joke. Kindly show me what arithmethical formula if applied can result in a deduction from 50 by zero resulting in 5.
The Promised Messiah used to say that the books of Hadith are like a
magicians bag. You can produce anything out of it! (mirza Bashiruddin
Mahmud ahmad qadiani , Al-Fazl 15 July 1924)
how interesting! now if this is true then why do you quote some ahadees from this magicians bag and conveniently ignore others. the damascene hadees upon which your entire faith is based upon is also from the same bag. therefore would it not be incorrect to assume that since the very hadees upon which mirza qadiani based his claims of being the messiah could also be a mere fabrication.
"It is a fact that Muhammad worked only three thousand miracles... My Miracles exceed one million in numbers." (Ijaze-e-Ahmadi, Page 79; by mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani )
first of all the claim that prophet muhammad worked three thousand miracles is itself questionable. now since mirza qadianiss definitely exceed a million where is the evidence of this .
god has sent ten thousand signs in my favour (tohfatun nadwa page 4 by mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani)
tohfatun nadwa was published in 1902. despite passage of over 107 years the mirza nor his khaleefas have been able to produce these purported signs. i appeal to you to do so. kindly enumerate these ten thousand signs so that i may forward it to the space and upper atmosphere research commission of pakistan for anaylisis.
While I was in a trance, Fatima daughter of Muhammad
placed my head on her thigh! (Azala e Awham pg 11by mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani )
first of all why was mirza in a trance, secondly why did he meet a non mehram woman in this trance ,thirdly why did she put a non mehram mans head on her thigh of all places. be careful this is the prophets daughter mirza is talking about.
I hold a hundred Husains in my collar all the time. The sacrifice of a
hundred Hussains equals mine of every single moment. (Nuzool-al-Maseeh, pg 99, by mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani )
what kind of collar did mirza have which could accommodate so many hussians. secondly isnt comparing ones sacrifice to hussiaNs quite silly. imam hussain was martyred in karbala whereas mirza qadiani died after suffering many bouts of dysentary. how can the two be even compared.
once I put some matter in writing and placed before the Almighty for His signature. God signed it without hesitation with blackness in red ink the Almighty shook his pen and drops of ink fell on my kurta
(Tiryaq ul-Qulub pg 33 by mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani )
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS KURTA WHICH I AM SURE THE FAMILY OF THE MIRZA MUST HAVE KEPT IN SAFE CUSTODY AS IT CONTAINS GODS INK. I AM SURE THAT THIS MUBARAK KURTA MUST BE WELL PRESERVED IN THE BAITUL FUTOOH OR SADR ANJUMAN AHMADIYA ARCHIVES AT RABWAH. if not then what happended to this rabbani arshi and
"Just as the Aryan people are awaiting the coming of Shri Krishna. I am the same Krishna, and this claim is not only mine but God repeatedly revealed to me that I am the same Krishna, the King of the Aryans to come in the last days of the World." (Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Page 45, BY Mirza Ghulam AHMAD Qadiani)
However in kitab ul bariyah mirza sAys he is Persian so how can a Persian be also an Aryan LET ALONE KING OF THE ARYANS. SECONDLY EVEN IF THEY ARE HIS FOREIGN SUBJECTS THEN HAS ANY HINDU ORGANISATION SUCH AS THE MAHASABAHA, RSS, VHP, SHIV SENA ETC ACCEPTED THE MIRZA AS SHRI KRISHNA.
Since only those people can go on Hajj who have the means and are rich, although Divine Movements always initially spread amongst the poor and poor are excused from Hajj. Thus God has fixed one more ZILLI HAJJ so that those people with whom He wants to take the task of Islam's uprising and those poor that is the muslims of India may also participate in it." ( MiRZA BASHEERUDIN Mehmood Ahmad,QADIANI alFazl vol.20 No.66 dated 1st Dec 1932)
IF GOD HAS EXEMPTED POOR MUSLIMS FROM HAJJ WHY SOHULD THEY BE FORCED TO GO ON ANY PILGRIMAGE. WHAT SPIRITUAL BENEFITS CAN ONE AVAIL IN QADIAN ACCEPT JALEBIS FROM THE LOCAL SIKH HALWAI.
karachiwala
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
"Except for the CHILDREN OF PROSTITUTES, whose hearts have been sealed by God, everyone else believes in me and has accepted me."
(Aina-e-Kamalat-e-Islam by mirza ghulam ahmad qadiani ,)
hmmmmm!!!
now according to this statement the mother of any person who fails to believe mirza is a *****. mirza fazal ahmad , mirza qadiani's own son from his first wife did not accept his dad's claims. therefore poor hurmat bibi, mirza first wife is a ***** according to mirza himself!!!
gazoomartian
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
People it's a simple question now, do you want this dreaded version of islam?
From DAWN this morning;
or
Watch live mta.tv or thousands of material available on youtube etc. and understand what these people have done to Pakistan and the lies about Ahmadi Muslims, just so the moulvi can retain their influence over the poor ignorant masses.
Nobody has lied about mirza ghulam ahmad, its all truth, most referenced directly from mirza's of his son's book (s).
No matter how bad we are, we Muslims are still better than a Christian, Hindu, Jew, qadyani. You should think of your future life hereafter. You will live here may be 70, 80, may be 90?
Think of the time when your throat is locked by the angel of death and its too late for you to do any tauba.
Leave the gumrahi and come back to islam, "afala ta'qeloon' (agar tum ko iski aqal hai
atensari
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
قادیانی مکر و فریب، جھوٹ کے ھتیار سے لیس نظریاتی دہشت گردی کے ذریعے اسلام کے نام پر قادیانیت مسلط کرنا چاہتے ہیں. یہ لوگ جسم سے ایمان کی روح نکال کر انسان کو چلتی پھرتی لاش میں تبدیل کر دتے ہیں، اللہ پاکستان اور مسلمانوں کو ان دہشگردوں سے بھی بچاۓ
gazoomartian
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
May be another form of dajjal?
How can a guy, who died in his own excrement, can attract so many people, its beyond my comprehension. The only thing can be said is, that shaitan has gotten into their hearts and minds.
The shaitan has been laughing since Mirza signed agreement with British to kick off a fake religion to divide Muslims of old India. One of the accomplishments of the shaitan-ir-rajeem is to convince a Muslim to become a false prophet. Probably the shaitan's favorite event. (cry) la-haul-i-wa la quwwat
biomat
Minister (2k+ posts)
Dear Brother Karachiwala
Assalam-o-alaikum
Brother i got two private messages from fellow ahmedi/qadiyani members. One has already posted on this thread so i dont have to write it here, one i am posting here. I will not disclose his/her name as he/she purposely sent this to my PM, other wise he/she would have posted it here so every one can answer.
Anyway as you & gazoo bhai were talking about last moments of Mirza Ghulam can u emphasize why it is so important that we discuss it, was his illness is normal before death scenario or some curse (as from my knowledge he (MG) cursed other maulana the same disease & death as he didnot believed him).. So can u elaborate with some solid proofs so that we all can get useful information.
Here is the PM i got from our fellow member. Please donot start bashing on his/her reply, try to give reply on logic & proofs.
Jaza-k-ALLAH.
This reply to you but admin came to your rescue and deleted this post - coward sunnis
It is in the ahadith that in his last days Holy Prophet saw was unable to walk or even move. In fact he used to faint quite regularly and was even unable to pray as faintness would take over him. Anyone willing to guess how Holy Prophet relieved himself in those days?
This makes the passing away of Promised Messiah (as) and Holy Prophet (saw) very similar; both were very weak and both needed help from others to carry out their chores. In fact the one difference was that Holy Prophet saw was unable to move, without help, since several days before his demise while Promised Messiah as was working till the very day of his demise.
If it makes one prophet false for being weak and frail and depended on others in his last moments then it makes the other prophet false as well for being weak and frail and dependent on others in his last days.
With mindless accusations like these done in pure hate without thinking, eventually every prophet will be declared a false one and an impostor.
If anyone disagrees on the very close similarity of both deaths then kindly come forward and explain how the two deaths were substantially different, but before you open your big mouth be careful as anything you say might reflect on Holy Prophet (saw) who you claim to follow but never really do; proof is that lies and disrespect for prophets (blasphemy) are never far from you; following in the footstep of Salman Rushdie who also has the excuse like you that he does not consider Holy Prophet saw a prophet. You should consider Salman Rushdie a hero that you are following his sunnah. This proves who follows the sunnh of Holy Prophet and who follow the sunnah of Slaman Rushdie…and little does one need to care of followers of Salman Rushdie.
Assalam-o-alaikum
Brother i got two private messages from fellow ahmedi/qadiyani members. One has already posted on this thread so i dont have to write it here, one i am posting here. I will not disclose his/her name as he/she purposely sent this to my PM, other wise he/she would have posted it here so every one can answer.
Anyway as you & gazoo bhai were talking about last moments of Mirza Ghulam can u emphasize why it is so important that we discuss it, was his illness is normal before death scenario or some curse (as from my knowledge he (MG) cursed other maulana the same disease & death as he didnot believed him).. So can u elaborate with some solid proofs so that we all can get useful information.
Here is the PM i got from our fellow member. Please donot start bashing on his/her reply, try to give reply on logic & proofs.
Jaza-k-ALLAH.
This reply to you but admin came to your rescue and deleted this post - coward sunnis
It is in the ahadith that in his last days Holy Prophet saw was unable to walk or even move. In fact he used to faint quite regularly and was even unable to pray as faintness would take over him. Anyone willing to guess how Holy Prophet relieved himself in those days?
This makes the passing away of Promised Messiah (as) and Holy Prophet (saw) very similar; both were very weak and both needed help from others to carry out their chores. In fact the one difference was that Holy Prophet saw was unable to move, without help, since several days before his demise while Promised Messiah as was working till the very day of his demise.
If it makes one prophet false for being weak and frail and depended on others in his last moments then it makes the other prophet false as well for being weak and frail and dependent on others in his last days.
With mindless accusations like these done in pure hate without thinking, eventually every prophet will be declared a false one and an impostor.
If anyone disagrees on the very close similarity of both deaths then kindly come forward and explain how the two deaths were substantially different, but before you open your big mouth be careful as anything you say might reflect on Holy Prophet (saw) who you claim to follow but never really do; proof is that lies and disrespect for prophets (blasphemy) are never far from you; following in the footstep of Salman Rushdie who also has the excuse like you that he does not consider Holy Prophet saw a prophet. You should consider Salman Rushdie a hero that you are following his sunnah. This proves who follows the sunnh of Holy Prophet and who follow the sunnah of Slaman Rushdie…and little does one need to care of followers of Salman Rushdie.
taul
Siasat.pk - Blogger
@ All Kaafir Qadiyanis
--If any slightest of a doubt that may have had ever lingered in the minds of some to be hesitant/reluctant in calling them kaafirs this delusional fantasy ought to have finally put their minds at ease and buried for good any miniscule suspicion against qadiyanis>>>by such an outrageous,incomprehensible,vicious and unforgivably devilish and an utter blasphemous analogy used by this qadiyani and am sure by all of them to have compared that lunatic,deranged and mentally challenged mirza ghulam ahmed qadiyani with Our Beloved Holy Prophet pbuh .
--This single statement stands proof enough how unbelievably lowest of the low they'd stoop to justify their mentally challenged and schizophrenic mirza ghulam ahmed qadiyani where they'd resort to any available means to get even with the Muslims by such blasphemous statements just like the rest of Kuffar to hurt the sentiments of Muslims through out the world.
--First and foremost Not even Amongst the rest of Prophets there exist any comparison with Our Beloved and The Last of All Prophets,Hazrat Muhammad pbuh Nonetheless Each and Every Prophet has it's own lofty place and a prestigious status but the Position of Hazrat Muhammad pbuh surpasses all of the other Prophets that ever came before him, ( and rest assured None would ever come after him till the day of Judgment ) and this Zenith and Pinnacle is ONLY and ONLY bestowed upon him by Allah ( SWT).
--It's mind boggling and a quite perplexing thing as to how freakishly these kaafir qadiyanis would retort to just to appease their inside guilt and try vainly and hideously to be on even grounds with the Muslims by insanely drawing such a pathetic,appalling and abhorrent comparison....Nothing could be more gross than this but again this is what Kaafirs do when Muslims try to preach Truth to them,they'd reflexly act and in the process embark on blasphemy and thus leaving the thought process ( if it ever existed) completely shut and miles behind in the valley of darkness....
--Let us all fairly and rightly do the most just of the comparisons and get firstly and most importantly to the very basics and core issue as to why do you even consider mirza ghulam ahmed qadiyani a prophet ( just like Mormons believe in another prophet) or masseeh mau-ud in the first place in the light of this just a single hadith since you seemed quite fond of the Ahadith and the issue needs to be tackled and addressed in an Ascending fashion.
Our beloved Prophet (pbuh) said : Allah will bring out Al-Mahdi from my family and just before the day of judgment; even if only one day were to remain in the life of the world and he will spread on this earth justice and equity and will eliminate tyranny and oppression. [Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal: Vol 01: Page 99; Majma‘-uz-zawā’id: Vol 7: Page 316]
But your mirza ghulam Ahmed died without spreading justice and eliminating tyranny on this earth so his claim of Mahdi does not remotely fulfill the criterion in the above mentioned Hadith.
--Litmus test is all too vivid and as it goes the specificity of a test is 100% ,that is to confirm any test's probability, specificity is applied and an increased specificity is good for a confirmatory test and it stands 100% true here.
--The Core and Fundamental issue remains as to how such a mentally incapacitated and a sick soul could even assume the role of any normal human let alone any extraordinary man and more so astonishingly as to why would you all so blindly follow freak of the century like flock of sheep and hypnotic minds!!!
--Last but not least you truly identified yourself of being a direct descendant of Satan himself salman rushdie by opting for Projection wherein the very first para you so devilishly reflected your Satanically inspired urge to even go for such a highly repugnant analogy and I personally Applaud the admin/moderators for acting swiftly and deleting the blasphemous content coz we Muslims stand all united to defend the Honour and dignity of Our Beloved Prophet Hazrat Muhammad pbuh and stand against any Kaafir disrespecting him in any form or shape as you so Satanically did.
--If any slightest of a doubt that may have had ever lingered in the minds of some to be hesitant/reluctant in calling them kaafirs this delusional fantasy ought to have finally put their minds at ease and buried for good any miniscule suspicion against qadiyanis>>>by such an outrageous,incomprehensible,vicious and unforgivably devilish and an utter blasphemous analogy used by this qadiyani and am sure by all of them to have compared that lunatic,deranged and mentally challenged mirza ghulam ahmed qadiyani with Our Beloved Holy Prophet pbuh .
--This single statement stands proof enough how unbelievably lowest of the low they'd stoop to justify their mentally challenged and schizophrenic mirza ghulam ahmed qadiyani where they'd resort to any available means to get even with the Muslims by such blasphemous statements just like the rest of Kuffar to hurt the sentiments of Muslims through out the world.
--First and foremost Not even Amongst the rest of Prophets there exist any comparison with Our Beloved and The Last of All Prophets,Hazrat Muhammad pbuh Nonetheless Each and Every Prophet has it's own lofty place and a prestigious status but the Position of Hazrat Muhammad pbuh surpasses all of the other Prophets that ever came before him, ( and rest assured None would ever come after him till the day of Judgment ) and this Zenith and Pinnacle is ONLY and ONLY bestowed upon him by Allah ( SWT).
--It's mind boggling and a quite perplexing thing as to how freakishly these kaafir qadiyanis would retort to just to appease their inside guilt and try vainly and hideously to be on even grounds with the Muslims by insanely drawing such a pathetic,appalling and abhorrent comparison....Nothing could be more gross than this but again this is what Kaafirs do when Muslims try to preach Truth to them,they'd reflexly act and in the process embark on blasphemy and thus leaving the thought process ( if it ever existed) completely shut and miles behind in the valley of darkness....
--Let us all fairly and rightly do the most just of the comparisons and get firstly and most importantly to the very basics and core issue as to why do you even consider mirza ghulam ahmed qadiyani a prophet ( just like Mormons believe in another prophet) or masseeh mau-ud in the first place in the light of this just a single hadith since you seemed quite fond of the Ahadith and the issue needs to be tackled and addressed in an Ascending fashion.
Our beloved Prophet (pbuh) said : Allah will bring out Al-Mahdi from my family and just before the day of judgment; even if only one day were to remain in the life of the world and he will spread on this earth justice and equity and will eliminate tyranny and oppression. [Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal: Vol 01: Page 99; Majma‘-uz-zawā’id: Vol 7: Page 316]
But your mirza ghulam Ahmed died without spreading justice and eliminating tyranny on this earth so his claim of Mahdi does not remotely fulfill the criterion in the above mentioned Hadith.
--Litmus test is all too vivid and as it goes the specificity of a test is 100% ,that is to confirm any test's probability, specificity is applied and an increased specificity is good for a confirmatory test and it stands 100% true here.
--The Core and Fundamental issue remains as to how such a mentally incapacitated and a sick soul could even assume the role of any normal human let alone any extraordinary man and more so astonishingly as to why would you all so blindly follow freak of the century like flock of sheep and hypnotic minds!!!
--Last but not least you truly identified yourself of being a direct descendant of Satan himself salman rushdie by opting for Projection wherein the very first para you so devilishly reflected your Satanically inspired urge to even go for such a highly repugnant analogy and I personally Applaud the admin/moderators for acting swiftly and deleting the blasphemous content coz we Muslims stand all united to defend the Honour and dignity of Our Beloved Prophet Hazrat Muhammad pbuh and stand against any Kaafir disrespecting him in any form or shape as you so Satanically did.
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karachiwala
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Wa alaykum Assalam Brother,
PREAMBLE The last hours of the Holy Prophet:
Shedding more light on this, the following is what the erudite Muslim writer and author, Sheikh Safiur-Rahman Al-Mubarakfuri wrote in his book The Sealed Nectar
Anas ibn Malik, may Allah be pleased with him, narrates: "While the Muslims were performing the Dawn prayer (Fajr) on Monday led by Abu Bakr, they were surprised to see the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, raising the curtain of `Aishas room. He looked at them while they were praying and smiled cheerfully. Seeing him, Abu Bakr withdrew to join the lines and give way to him to lead the prayer, for he thought that the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, wanted to pray with them. The Muslims, who were praying, were so delighted that they were almost too enraptured at their prayers. The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, made them a gesture to continue their prayer, went into the room and drew down the curtain."
On his last day, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, asked that his grandsons, Al-Hasan and Al-Husain be brought to him. He kissed them and recommended that they be looked after. He asked to see his wives. They were brought to him. He told them to stick to the remembrance of Allah. Pain grew so much severer. He turned to `Aisha and said: I feel as if death is approaching. He ordered the people to perform the prayers and be good to slaves. He repeated it several times.
The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, breathes his Last:
When the pangs of death started, `Aisha leant him against her. She used to say: It was a great Divine favor on me that the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, died in my room, while I am still alive. He died between my chest and neck while he was leaning against me. Allah mixed his saliva with mine at his death. For Abdur-Rahman ibn Abu Bakr came in with a Siwak (tooth stick) in his hand, while the Prophets head was in my lap. I noticed that he was looking at the Siwak. So I asked him: Would you like me to have it? He nodded in the affirmative. I took it and gave it to him. As it was too hard for him, I asked him again: Shall I soften it for you? Again, he nodded in the affirmative. So I softened it with my saliva and he passed it (on his teeth). There was a water container available at his hand with some water in. He put his hand in it and wiped his face with it and said: There is no god but Allah. Verily, death is full of agonies. (Reported by Al-Bukhari)
As soon as he finished brushing his teeth with the Siwak, he raised his hand or his finger up, looking upwards to the ceiling he mumbled some words. So `Aishah listened attentively. A voice, as if coming from Paradise, could be heard reciting: With those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, with the Prophets and the Truthful Ones, the martyrs and the good doers. O Allah! forgive me and have mercy on me and join me to the Companionship on high. To Allah is our return and to Him we supplicate for help." This event took place at high morning time on Monday, the twelfth of Rabi` Al-Awwal, in the eleventh year after the Hijrah
Read more: http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545472#ixzz0tKGFoZE5
NOW COMPARE THIS WITH WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY READ ON THE DEATH OF KAZZAB:
" "Mother said, Mirza had first loose motion at the time of dinner. But after that we kept pressing his feet for some time. He lay down and slept and I went to sleep too. After sometime, he felt the need to go to toilet and probably once or twice he went to toilet to relieve himself. After that he felt very weak and shook me to wake me up. When I woke up, he was so weak that he lay down on my bed and started pressing his feet. After a while, Mirza asked me to go to sleep. I said no, I will continue pressing. In the meantime he had another loose motion. This time the weakness was so much that he could not go to toilet therefore I made arrangements by the bed and he relieved himself there and then again laid down. I continued pressing his feet. But now, the weakness was too much . After that he had a loose motion and vomit. When he was lying down, he could not hold himself due to weakness and fell on his back. and he hit his head with wooden plank of the bed and condition became very miserable. Upon this I said - O god, what is about to happen- Mirza said, - what I used to say "
Farq saaf zahir hae. The Holy Prophet went in the state of Tahara (cleanliness) while kazzab went in state of nijasat.
" "Mother said, Mirza had first loose motion at the time of dinner. But after that we kept pressing his feet for some time. He lay down and slept and I went to sleep too. After sometime, he felt the need to go to toilet and probably once or twice he went to toilet to relieve himself. After that he felt very weak and shook me to wake me up. When I woke up, he was so weak that he lay down on my bed and started pressing his feet. After a while, Mirza asked me to go to sleep. I said no, I will continue pressing. In the meantime he had another loose motion. This time the weakness was so much that he could not go to toilet therefore I made arrangements by the bed and he relieved himself there and then again laid down. I continued pressing his feet. But now, the weakness was too much . After that he had a loose motion and vomit. When he was lying down, he could not hold himself due to weakness and fell on his back. and he hit his head with wooden plank of the bed and condition became very miserable. Upon this I said - O god, what is about to happen- Mirza said, - what I used to say "
Farq saaf zahir hae. The Holy Prophet went in the state of Tahara (cleanliness) while kazzab went in state of nijasat.
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