The Qadiani Ahmadiyya Lahore Tragedy By Truth Unvield

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gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
this is getting ugly. Obviously neither side is going to win.


SO I urge the moderator to close this shitty thread. Some one has resurrected this dead thread for personal gain. it dates back to July. For heavens sake, talk about politics, social, and cultural aspects of Pakistan.

If you d not like one's posts, dont reply.

MODERATOR where are you when we need you!!!!
 

sayeenwada

Councller (250+ posts)
The "shitty" part are lies, insults, twists with respect to the writings, teachings and sayings of Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Massih/Mahdi Maoud (AS).

We can only pass the truth to you in the blessed teaching of the Holy Prophet of Islam (PBUH) and His (PBUH) servant Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS). The video clips are posted to provide you a glimpse of why Islam suffers and what these mulaa have done to Pakistan and the Muslim world at large.

In closing, let me say that only prayer to Allah the Exalted can show you the right path as long as you do it with an open heart.
 

bons

Minister (2k+ posts)
listen you imbecile. It's simple, I have said it many times here....go home, pray and cry till your nose bleeds for a sign from Allah the Exalted...beg Allah the Exalted for the destruction of Jammat Ahmadiyya or lanaat upon yourselves. I am certain you will eventually get your answers.

Sayeen ji, jab aap hosh main aa jayen to phir baat kariye ga.

Allah Ta'ala se hidayat maango aur toba karo. Insha Allah afaqa ho ga.
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Re: The Qadiani Ahmadiyya Lahore Tragedy By Truth Unvield
We call can see who is the worst creature. Read the Hadith and you get the answer yourself because it is self explanatory

Yes we can see a

  • A former Muslim who used his knowledge to make false claim that he is a prophet - worst of the worst creature, Fitna started from him and will end on his followers - InshaAllah
  • Giving life of Allah is declared Haram, instead his kins are selling Jannah, Mambership of Naji Group :lol: is available on 10% monthly installment. No need of establishing Deen, enjoy life under unIslamic rules and Laws, pay monthly fee get the Jannah.
  • Quranic words are there but reality is absent. A person is titled Khalifa, where is Shariah Law, where is capital, is Khalifa is responsible for life and honors of his followers. Khulafa-a-Rashdeen are standard and model, have a comparison.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
The "shitty" part are lies, insults, twists with respect to the writings, teachings and sayings of Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Massih/Mahdi Maoud (AS).

We can only pass the truth to you in the blessed teaching of the Holy Prophet of Islam (PBUH) and His (PBUH) servant Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS). The video clips are posted to provide you a glimpse of why Islam suffers and what these mulaa have done to Pakistan and the Muslim world at large.

In closing, let me say that only prayer to Allah the Exalted can show you the right path as long as you do it with an open heart.


indeed I do it with open heart and as a result I reject Mr. MGA whole heartedly.

note: I didnt intentionally rated you post post as good. Its because the green and red are very close, mistakenly clicked on green to rate good.

I have no desire to get tangled in argument about qadianiat with you or any body else. You have a right to follow any religion you want to just like Christians, Hindus, and Jews. And I have also just as much right to accept or reject Qadyaniat. And I unequivocally REJECT it using my birth right, I hope you understand this is my right

I am happy with what I have, that is THE FINAL rasul pbuh after whom I do not need any one else. His teaching and revelation of Quran upon him was and is and will be complete, dont need any other self proclaimed nabi, rasul, prophet. the only prophet I will welcome would be, if it happens in my life time, son of Mary (as) beloved nabi and rasul Hazrat Isa (as).

So please dont preach Qadyaniat on me, I am better off with what I have. I just follow the famous American phrase : Why would I go for beer when I already have champagne ??


قَالَ أَتَسۡتَبۡدِلُونَ ٱلَّذِى هُوَ أَدۡنَىٰ بِٱلَّذِى هُوَ خَيۡرٌ

He said: Would ye exchange that which is higher for that which is lower?

کیا تم اس چیز کو لینا چاہتے ہو جو ادنیٰ ہے بدلہ اس کے جو بہتر ہے

 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Assalam-o-alaikum
Bro atensari, i respect your view. But i think, we should stick to mistakes of their spiritual leader Mirza Ghulam, discussing their KHALIFAS is no importance, as we have to show them the open flaws in their believes & leader.
I agree with you, problem is not only Khatam-a-Nabuwat, Qadiyani are misrepresenting all terms of Islam including Khalifa and Khalafat.

Khalafat is associated with establishment of Shariah, this target cannot be achieved without have control over geographical boundries. For example Makki ear of Prophet Muhammad SAW is not considered as Khalafat, it start after Migration and real Islam state was established after Fatha-Makka. Now a days there are 56 Muslims countries now where Shariah is implemented so Khalafat do not exist anywhere in world.


These Qadiyanis shamelessly call a person Khalifa and trying to portrait as Khalafat of Muslameen is established, Qadiyani khalafa is not more than Khalifas of traditional wrestlers پہلوان and Marasiمیراثی , as they for respect call eldest person among them Khalif.


Muslims should know what is the real meaning of Khalafat is and what are the characteristics of Muslim Khalifa and Khalafat. Khulafa Rasheed are our Model and are tried to show the difference between real and fake khalifa
 

Night_Hawk

Siasat.pk - Blogger
indeed I do it with open heart and as a result I reject Mr. MGA whole heartedly.

note: I didnt intentionally rated you post post as good. Its because the green and red are very close, mistakenly clicked on green to rate good.

I have no desire to get tangled in argument about qadianiat with you or any body else. You have a right to follow any religion you want to just like Christians, Hindus, and Jews. And I have also just as much right to accept or reject Qadyaniat. And I unequivocally REJECT it using my birth right, I hope you understand this is my right

I am happy with what I have, that is THE FINAL rasul pbuh after whom I do not need any one else. His teaching and revelation of Quran upon him was and is and will be complete, dont need any other self proclaimed nabi, rasul, prophet. the only prophet I will welcome would be, if it happens in my life time, son of Mary (as) beloved nabi and rasul Hazrat Isa (as).

So please dont preach Qadyaniat on me, I am better off with what I have. I just follow the famous American phrase : Why would I go for beer when I already have champagne ??


قَالَ أَتَسۡتَبۡدِلُونَ ٱلَّذِى هُوَ أَدۡنَىٰ بِٱلَّذِى هُوَ خَيۡرٌ

He said: Would ye exchange that which is higher for that which is lower?

کیا تم اس چیز کو لینا چاہتے ہو جو ادنیٰ ہے بدلہ اس کے جو بہتر ہے


Gazoo bhai well said.
 

Night_Hawk

Siasat.pk - Blogger
I agree with you, problem is not only Khatam-a-Nabuwat, Qadiyani are misrepresenting all terms of Islam including Khalifa and Khalafat.

Khalafat is associated with establishment of Shariah, this target cannot be achieved without have control over geographical boundries. For example Makki ear of Prophet Muhammad SAW is not considered as Khalafat, it start after Migration and real Islam state was established after Fatha-Makka. Now a days there are 56 Muslims countries now where Shariah is implemented so Khalafat do not exist anywhere in world.


These Qadiyanis shamelessly call a person Khalifa and trying to portrait as Khalafat of Muslameen is established, Qadiyani khalafa is not more than Khalifas of traditional wrestlers پہلوان and Marasiمیراثی , as they for respect call eldest person among them Khalif.


Muslims should know what is the real meaning of Khalafat is and what are the characteristics of Muslim Khalifa and Khalafat. Khulafa Rasheed are our Model and are tried to show the difference between real and fake khalifa
Very well said sir
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
The "shitty" part are lies, insults, twists with respect to the writings, teachings and sayings of Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Massih/Mahdi Maoud (AS).

We can only pass the truth to you in the blessed teaching of the Holy Prophet of Islam (PBUH) and His (PBUH) servant Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS). The video clips are posted to provide you a glimpse of why Islam suffers and what these mulaa have done to Pakistan and the Muslim world at large.

In closing, let me say that only prayer to Allah the Exalted can show you the right path as long as you do it with an open heart.

1. Yes I agree with you 100% that Allah will show me the RIGHT PATH. Therefore Allah will not show me path to Qadyaniat since the path to Qadyaniat is not the right path.

2. The people whom you call Mullah, what would you call people of the stature but from your religion.

3. "His (PBUH) servant Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS)."

MGA is a servant of Hazrat Mohammaed pbuh?? FFS man! He aint no servant, but he is a false competitor.

3. " what these mulaa have done to Pakistan and the Muslim world at large."

What have they done? Also, your mullah have done even worse. Your Mullahs have not created but continue to create rift between Muslims, at least our Mullah have not made us gumrah, your mullahs have made you so gumrah that you have become truly deserving of jahannum.

' aur tum per azab mein zara brabar bhi kami nahi ki jayegi aur tumhari koi shunwai nahi hogi'

I wrote to you again because I had forgotten to reply this part of your comment. no more replies to you so you might as well not respond to my comment. Case closed
 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
Dear Knowledge Seeker, Qadiyani truth ,Xia bhai & others
Assalam-o-alaikum
As we have started many threads before & try to engage in healthy dialogue (i am not talking about visitors because we dont have control over them) to get clear picture what is QADIYANIAT or AHMEDISM.. Whether it is best religion on earth or worst..
We have posted Mirza owns writtings & false claims, but still no one has come to counter us with logic & proof & consistency..
As i started this thread to show some great deceptions of Mirza & his cult, i didnot intervened when bro knowledge seeker confronted brother Kaleem.. As rightly he is currently most sane person defending his believes.. About sayeenwada, i dont want to talk about, as from his replies i think he is dedicated young ahmedi/qadiyani who dont want to listen to otherside & discuss openly on the basis of three points..
#1) QURAN
#2) SAHIH HADITHS
#3) MIRZA OWN CONTRADICTIONS IN HIS DIFFERENT BOOKS & FALSE PREDICTIONS
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About Gazoo bhai, i respect him a lot as he his mujahid (naughty one) ,even i donot agree with him on other subjects like closing this thread & similarly banning Indian members (or RAW CYBER WARRIORS)..
Even gazoo bhai couldnot kept himself silent after seeing this false propaganda & deception, i salute his efforts.
Brother Gazoo, we dont have personal agenda against Qadiyanis or Ahmedis nor i want to kill them all.. Neither we can convert all nonmuslims or win any dialogue without help & Hidayat from ALLAH SWT.
So as an ummati it is our duty first as to defend Finality of Muhammad PBUH in what ever manner we can..
Secondly as an ummati it is our duty to spread Islam to all non muslims as well as ignorant muslims, so that on the day of judgement we should not be ashamed..
I know you are aware of this, but i thought i should clearify why we have made this thread or any similar thread alive..
You can see my replies that i always stressed on Logic & Hikmat.. No bad or offensive language.. Even some times if i dont have command on a particular topic or point, i donot take part instead i try to clear my mind first then debate or post..
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Lastly i want some light on another mostly used logic from Qadiyanis/Ahmedis that is
"If this is the case the no prophet will ever come after Hadhrat Mohammed PBUH then why are you waiting for Hadhrat Isa to come ? "
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Also Brother Kaleem have raised some points about khatam & finality of Prophethood (http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...-Truth-Unvield&p=270433&viewfull=1#post270433)
will Xia & Knowledgeseeker bhai want to counter reply ..
I think we should stick to one point at a time, so first clear "FINALITY OF PROPHETHOOD & HAZRAT ESSA (AS) SECOND COMING AS CONTINUITY OF PROPHETHOOD???" first..
Jaza-k-ALLAH..
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Sayeenwada,

Such long posts but you didnt answer my simple question. What are the meanings of the revelations to Mirza, Think, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani, he is the Khattam RabulAlameen.

This is wahi of his god to your prophet Mirza, just tell me what this term means Khatam RabulAlameen? In the light of the writings of Mirza.

Simple, I didnt ask you to post you tube videos of Dr. Israr or discussion of others on a news channel; I just want explanation of Mirzas wahi, word of his and your god, yalesh.
 

sayeenwada

Councller (250+ posts)
Sayeenwada,

Such long posts but you didn’t answer my simple question. What are the meanings of the revelations to Mirza, “Think, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani, he is the “Khattam RabulAlameen”.

This is wahi of his god to your prophet Mirza, just tell me what this term means “Khatam RabulAlameen”? In the light of the writings of Mirza.

Simple, I didn’t ask you to post you tube videos of Dr. Israr or discussion of others on a news channel; I just want explanation of Mirza’s wahi, word of his and your god, yalesh.


simple answer = Pray to Allah the Exalted and you'll have your answers, guaranteed!

Your squirming and misrepresentation of Ahmadi Muslims and teachings of the Holy Prophet of Islam (PBUH) and His (PBUH) servant Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Massih/Mahidi Maoud (AS) will only help expand the Jammat further as people get curious. They gain knowledge, learn and realize the debacle with respect to what happened in Pakistan 30 years ago. We can all see your moulvis and their activities...the fitnas they created and the dirty eggs they laid have all come back to hatch and destroying our beloved Pakistan. Is that not proof enough...now everyone is a Kafir and no worship place is safe...See how Allah the Exalted's teaches a lesson?

Ahmadiyya Muslim Jammat is growing at a mind-boggling rate, small beggar governments of countries like Pakistan are nothing. Why don't you watch our 24 hour Arabic/french/Bangla Urdu TV www.mta.tv or visit www.alislam.org. People that join are people like yourselves that realized the misrepresentation, lies, twist and sheer stupid teachings of evil moulvis which have brainwashed all of you.
 

Ehraz

MPA (400+ posts)
@ Sayeenwada, thanks for your post. May Allah reward you for your effort. I Couldn't Have Put It Better Myself.

Thank you all others for being yourself and writing what comes to your mind, it clearly shows your mind set and mentality.
Ahmadiyyat cult? Lol. A cult is one which allows no exit – Sunni Islam believes in DEATH for apostasy (la iqraha fi'd din). The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community believes in FREEDOM OF RELIGION AND CONSCIENCE. Which is the cult?

The problem with our nation is that we succumb to hatemonger so easily. People are angry because they are depressed by situations with the inflation and lack of food in the market and when someone in the heat of the day provokes them to come out and fight what HE thinks is wrong they take the whole thing out on the poor people that hate was spread again.
Did you read the quote where the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said that if someone says he his Muslims and recited the Kalima, then no man is to judge what is in his heart, let Allah decide.
After all, this is the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community that is not allowed to say ‘Salam’ by law, those who are not allowed to say the Kalima and their prayers, or recite the Darood Shareef that Allah said everyone should recite.
أَلَيْسَ اللَّهُ بِأَحْكَمِ الْحَاكِمِينَ

"Is GOD not the Most Wise, of all the wise ones?"


I mean how many have you grinned when a Christian has said Assalam-o-alikum to you? Do you know they believe in Trinity? Not the one God as Muslims do? Can you, and would you, ban them from saying “Assalam-o-alikum”? A good word coming from any mouth should be considered a blessing, but in Pakistan sadly it is the Jahil Mullah who decides these things – about who the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said would be the worst of all creations in the time when the world will need the Massiah/Mahdi.
Why should US not kill the Afghan and Iraqis? Why should Hindus not kill Muslims in Kashmir? Why is Pakistan crying about HUMAN RIGHT VIOLATIONS anywhere in the WORLD when you do not believe IN Pakistan that HUMANS HAVE RIGHTS!?!

apnay girehbaan main jhank kai daikho and ask yourself are you any better than those US soldier who have Tanks and F-16 Jets so they tear down villages in Afghanistan and Iraq? You have a say here in Pakistan, do you not oppress others when you can? If you cannot save your fellow Pakistanis, fellow humans from your own wrath, why do you think Allah should save you from anyone else’s wrath. Does Allah not say, ‘one that killed a human killed humanity?

However, to all above posts I say exactly what the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community says to all those who persecute them, – Love for All, Hatred for None.
Open your eyes, mind and do some research and you will be shown the right path!
Insha*allah.

http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/ You will find lot of information and literature - be assured none of all that will be hateful.


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atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Qadiyani know one Hadeeth, but they dont know other which says Ullama of MY (SAW) Nation are like (in function) Prophets of Bani Israel.

Muahmmad SAW and Khulafa Rashdeen implemented Shariat. If yours Khalifa and Khalafat is Muslim where is Shariah Law?

This is what Ahmadi Cult is, Fakeisam pretending as Islam. Western Certified version thats why they are supporting them.
 

Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
Qadianis declare other Muslims as kafir

From about the year 1911 Mirza Bashir-ud-Din Mahmud Ahmad (second khalifa of the Qadiani Movement) started to put forward the doctrine that it is not sufficient for a person to declare belief in the Kalima Shahada in order to be a Muslim because Mirza Ghulam Ahmad had now appeared as a prophet and belief in him must be acknowledged as well.

According to Mirza Mahmud Ahmad, it is no longer sufficient for the existing Muslims to believe in the Holy Prophet Muhammad and all the prophets before him. Now they must also declare that they believe in the prophet Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as well. Otherwise they cannot remain Muslims but become just like those Jews and Christians who believed in the previous prophets but failed to accept the Holy Prophet Muhammad.
Mirza Mahmud Ahmad wrote a book A’inah-i Sadaqat, published in 1921, which was translated into English and first published in 1924 under the title The Truth about the Split. In this book, while acknowledging his beliefs, he writes:
“(3) the belief that all those so-called Muslims who have not entered into his [i.e. Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s] Bai’at formally, wherever they may be, are Kafirs and outside the pale of Islam, even though they may not have heard the name of the Promised Messiah. That these beliefs have my full concurrence, I readily admit.”
The Truth about the Split, Rabwah, 1965, pp. 55–56. The 2007 edition of this book is available on the Qadiani website from the link www.alislam.org/books/. See page 56 for this extract.
See original Urdu text below from the book A’inah-i Sadaqat [Urdu 1].
In this book, Mirza Mahmud Ahmad also gives a summary of his first article expressing these views which had earlier appeared in April 1911. He writes regarding this article:
“The article was elaborately entitled — ‘A Muslim is one who believes in all the messengers of God.’ The title itself is sufficient to show that the article was not meant to prove merely that ‘those who did not accept the Promised Messiah were deniers of the Promised Messiah’. Its object rather was to demonstrate that those who did not believe in the Promised Messiah were not Muslims.”
— pages 135–136 of the 1965 edition. In the 2007 online edition at www.alislam.org/books/ see page 144.
“Regarding the main subject of my article, I wrote that as we believed the Promised Messiah to be one of the prophets of God, we could not possibly regard his deniers as Muslims.” (pages 137–138 of 1965 edition; page 146 of online 2007 edition)
“…not only are those deemed to be Kafirs, who openly style the Promised Messiah as Kafir, and those who although they do not style him thus, decline still to accept his claim, but even those who, in their hearts, believe the Promised Messiah to be true, and do not even deny him with their tongues, but hesitate to enter into his Bai’at, have here been adjudged to be Kafirs.” (pages 139–140 of 1965 edition; page 148 of online 2007 edition)
“And lastly, it was argued from a verse of the Holy Quran that such people as had failed to recognise the Promised Messiah as a Rasul even if they called him a righteous person with their tongues, were yet veritable Kafirs.” (p. 140 of 1965 edition; page 148 of online 2007 edition)
See original Urdu text below from the book A’inah-i Sadaqat [Urdu 2].
According to these views, the only Muslims in the whole world at any time are those who have taken the bai‘at of the Qadiani leader of the time. In the last quotation above, the closing words given as “veritable Kafirs” are “pakkay kafir” in the original Urdu book A’inah-i Sadaqat. The word pakkay conveys the significance of ‘real, true, absolute and full-fledged’, meaning that all other Muslims are kafir in the fullest sense without the least doubt.

Views of M. Mahmud Ahmad’s brother Bashir

For the views of Mirza Bashir Ahmad, younger brother of Mirza Mahmud Ahmad, see this link.
Qadianis disallow funeral prayers for other Muslims.


Since the Qadiani belief is that all Muslims outside their community are non-Muslims, just like a Christian or a Hindu is a non-Muslim, the Qadiani leader Mirza Mahmud Ahmad forbade his followers from saying the funeral prayers of other Muslims. This instruction is given by him quite clearly and forcefully in his book Anwar-i Khilafat, published October 1916. At the end of the section where he deals with this question, Mirza Mahmud Ahmad writes as follows:
“Now another question remains, that is, as non-Ahmadis are deniers of the Promised Messiah, this is why funeral prayers for them must not be offered, but if a young child of a non-Ahmadi dies, why should not his funeral prayers be offered? He did not call the Promised Messiah as kafir. I ask those who raise this question, that if this argument is correct, then why are not funeral prayers offered for the children of Hindus and Christians,and how many people say their funeral prayers? The fact is that, according to the Shariah, the religion of the child is the same as the religion of the parents. So a non-Ahmadi’s child is also a non-Ahmadi, and his funeral prayers must not be said. Then I say that as the child cannot be a sinner he does not need the funeral prayers; the child’s funeral is a prayer for his relatives, and they do not belong to us but are non-Ahmadis. This is why even the child’s funeral prayers must not be said. This leaves the question that if a man who believes Mirza sahib to be true but has not yet taken the bai‘at, or is still thinking about joining Ahmadiyyat, and he dies in this condition, it is possible that God may not punish him. But the decisions of the Shariah are based on what is outwardly visible. So we must do the same thing in his case, and not offer funeral prayers for him.”

Anwar-i Khilafat, page 93 of original edition; underlining is ours.
This book is available online at the Qadiani website in the collection Anwar-ul-‘Uloom, v. 3, no. 5 from the link www.alislam.org/urdu/au/?j=3. See pages 150–151.
See original Urdu text below from the book Anwar-i Khilafat [Urdu 3].
It is quite clear and plain from these instructions that the Qadiani belief is that all other Muslims, including the children of those Muslims and even including those Muslims who believe in the truth of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad but have not taken the pledge to join the Movement, are unbelievers (kafir) and non-Muslims just as people of other religions such as Hindus and Christians.


Original Urdu texts of above quotations





Title page of first edition of A’inah-i Sadaqat:

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Images below are from the online edition of A’inah-i Sadaqat at Anwarul 'Ulum : Urdu Books by Hadhrat Mirza Bashir-ud-din Mahmud Ahmad Khalifatul Masih II - Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama'at Urdu Pages (book no. 5). We have used red-lining to indicate the words being referred to.


Urdu 1:


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(A’inah-i Sadaqat,p. 35 original edition; p. 110 online edition)​




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(A’inah-i Sadaqat, p. 84 original ed., p. 149–150 online ed.)


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(A’inah-i Sadaqat, p. 85 original ed., p. 150 online ed.)


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(A’inah-i Sadaqat, p. 86 original ed., p. 151 online ed.)


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(A’inah-i Sadaqat, p. 86 original ed., p. 151 online ed.)


Title page of first edition of Anwar-i Khilafat:
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Urdu 3:

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Anwar-i Khilafat, p. 93 original edition, p. 150–151 online edition. Image above is from the online edition of this book at Anwarul 'Ulum : Urdu Books by Hadhrat Mirza Bashir-ud-din Mahmud Ahmad Khalifatul Masih II - Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama'at Urdu Pages (book no. 5)​




 
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Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
Book Kalimat-ul-Fasal by Mirza Bashir Ahmad declares Muslims as kafir and non-Muslim in Islamic law


The Qadiani Jama‘at has placed on its www.alislam.org website, in December 2007, the book Kalimat-ul-Fasal by Mirza Bashir Ahmad published by them in 1915, and written only a few months after the Split of 1914. Below is a link to the book:​


The author, a son of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, was the younger brother of the then khalifa of their community Mirza Mahmad Ahmad. In this book are expressed, in the most stark and unambiguous language, those highly dangerous and extreme beliefs.

Its online publication is surprising because for several decades, starting in the 1950s but more particularly since 1974 when Ahmadis were declared non-Muslim in Pakistan in the state constitution, the Qadiani Jama‘at had been distancing itself from these repugnant doctrines.​



In summary, those objectionable doctrines are that:
  1. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a prophet and messenger of Allah in a real sense just as Moses, Jesus and the Prophet Muhammad were prophets of God.​
  2. All Muslims who do not follow him are actually unbelievers just as Jews and Christians are unbelievers in Islam.​
  3. In practical relations in religious matters Ahmadis must treat other Muslims as being non-Muslims.​
We quote below some extracts from this book showing how it presents the above beliefs. The original Urdu text is displayed below as images from the online book.​



[SIZE=-1](Note: The version of this book on the Qadiani Jama‘at website has been taken from the March-April 1915 issue of the Urdu Review of Religions. The page references given here are to that version. The same pages from the magazine were also reproduced as a separate book, in which the number of each page is 90 less than the corresponding page number in the magazine.)[/SIZE]


Mirza Bashir Ahmad begins a chapter as follows:​




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“In this chapter some Quranic verses will be mentioned which show that Allah has made it obligatory to declare faith in all messengers and has called as kafir those who do not consider it necessary to believe in all prophets.” (p. 107)​



After quoting such a verse, he concludes:

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“Thus, according to this verse, every such person who believes in Moses but not in Jesus, or believes in Jesus but not in Muhammad (peace be upon him), or believes in Muhammad but not in the Promised Messiah, is not only a kafir but a staunch kafir and is excluded from the fold of Islam.” (p. 110)​



It is declared here that all Muslims who do not belong to the Ahmadiyya Movement are non-Muslims because they do not believe in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as a prophet, just as Jews and Christians are non-Muslims for not believing in the Holy Prophet Muhammad as a prophet. Such a Muslim is declared as not merely a kafir but a pukka kafir, meaning staunch or firm kafir.
Later on he writes:​

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“It is a basic point that as the Promised Messiah is a messenger and prophet of God, he therefore has all the rights that other prophets have, and to deny him is the same as to deny any other prophet of Allah.” (p. 119)​



Later in the book, Mirza Bashir Ahmad replies to several objections against his standpoint that the above were the beliefs of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.
One of these objections is: If he is a prophet as the Holy Prophet Muhammad was prophet, then why did he not require his followers to recite a kalima in his name? Mirza Bashir Ahmad declares this to be a foolish objection and writes:​

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“The fool does not realise that ‘Muhammad is the messenger of Allah’ was put in the Kalima because he is the crowning head of the prophets and the Khatam-un-nabiyyin. By mentioning his name all other prophets are implicitly included. There is no need to mention the name of everyone separately. Admittedly, the coming of the Promised Messiah has created one difference, and that is that before his coming the significance of the words ‘Muhammad is the messenger of Allah’ included (besides the Holy Prophet) only the prophets before the Holy Prophet Muhammad, but after the coming of the Promised Messiah one more prophet was added to the significance of these words. … In other words, the same Kalima is still to be used for admission into Islam, the difference merely being that the coming of the Promised Messiah has added one more messenger to the significance of the words ‘Muhammad is the messenger of Allah’.” (p. 158; underlining here is ours).​



It is plainly stated here that although members of the Qadiani Jama‘at proclaim the same Kalima in words as other Muslims, namely, “There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah”, but they actually have in mind something more added to it, over and above what other Muslims believe. How can they then complain if the opponents of the Ahmadiyya Movement accuse them of reciting a different kalima?
Relations with other Muslims

Close to the end of this treatise, Mirza Bashir Ahmad answers the objection that if his standpoint is true, then why did the Promised Messiah still permit his followers to have those relations with other Muslims which are required exclusively between one Muslim and another, and are not allowed with non-Muslims. He replies:​

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“This objection shows the lack of knowledge of the objector. We find that the Promised Messiah has permitted us to have only that relationship with non-Ahmadis which the Holy Prophet Muhammad permitted with Christians.” (p. 169)​



He goes on to give examples of how Ahmadis can only have those relations with non-Ahmadis which Islam allows Muslims to have with Christians or with Jews:
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“… If you say we are permitted to marry their (other Muslims’) daughters, I say we are also permitted to marry daughters of Christians. If you ask, why do we say salam to non-Ahmadis, the answer is that it is proved from Hadith that sometimes the Holy Prophet Muhammad even said salam to Jews in response to them. … Therefore, in every way the Promised Messiah has separated us from other Muslims, and there is no relation which Islam requires exclusively between Muslims which has not been prohibited to us (with other Muslims).” (p. 169–170)​



According to this explanation, when a member of the Qadiani Jama‘at says assalamu alaikum to a non-Ahmadi he does so only as he would to a Jew or Christian in some circumstances, only as a return of greeting, and not as a sign of the common bond of the brotherhood of Islam.
He then replies to another question under the same objection about relations with other Muslims:​

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“The objection arises here as to why the marriage of a woman who is an Ahmadi is not dissolved if her husband is a non-Ahmadi, or why is the inheritance of a deceased Ahmadi allowed to his non-Ahmadi son when a kafir is not allowed to inherit from a Muslim.” (p. 170)​



In his reply he tells us that there are two kinds of commandments in Islam: those to be carried out by the individual and those that can only be carried out by the government or the law of the land. Then he writes:

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“As matters of inheritance and dissolution of marriage fall under the law of the government, this is why the Promised Messiah wrote nothing about these. If he had possessed governmental power, he would have issued the same orders in these matters as well.” (p. 170)​



Just ponder over this last statement! It is declaring, openly and bluntly, that if the Head of the Qadiani Jama‘at were to have the power to make laws in a country he would issue orders to the effect that non-Ahmadis should be treated as non-Muslims under the law of the land. So on what grounds can the Qadiani Jama‘at complain when they themselves are declared as non-Muslims under the law of the land in Pakistan?

All these extreme beliefs came back to haunt the Qadiani Jama‘at with a vengeance. They were declared non-Muslim in the law of the land by a government of non-Ahmadis in Pakistan in 1974 in exactly the same way as Mirza Bashir Ahmad has here proclaimed that his Jama‘at would do to non-Ahmadis if it should possess political power. They are prevented by the anti-Ahmadiyya groups from using or displaying the kalima because, it is alleged, they add Mirza Ghulam Ahmad in it by implication. Then there are the widely-reported assalamu alaikum court cases in Pakistan in which members of the Qadiani Jama‘at have been charged by the police with the crime of using this greeting, which is meant for use by Muslims. As quoted above, according to Mirza Bashir Ahmad when members of his Jama‘at say assalamu alaikum to other Muslims it does not mean they are regarding them as Muslims.​
 
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Qadianis declare other Muslims as kafir

From about the year 1911 Mirza Bashir-ud-Din Mahmud Ahmad (second khalifa of the Qadiani Movement) started to put forward the doctrine that it is not sufficient for a person to declare belief in the Kalima Shahada in order to be a Muslim because Mirza Ghulam Ahmad had now appeared as a prophet and belief in him must be acknowledged as well.

According to Mirza Mahmud Ahmad, it is no longer sufficient for the existing Muslims to believe in the Holy Prophet Muhammad and all the prophets before him. Now they must also declare that they believe in the prophet Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as well. Otherwise they cannot remain Muslims but become just like those Jews and Christians who believed in the previous prophets but failed to accept the Holy Prophet Muhammad.
Mirza Mahmud Ahmad wrote a book A’inah-i Sadaqat, published in 1921, which was translated into English and first published in 1924 under the title The Truth about the Split. In this book, while acknowledging his beliefs, he writes:
“(3) the belief that all those so-called Muslims who have not entered into his [i.e. Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s] Bai’at formally, wherever they may be, are Kafirs and outside the pale of Islam, even though they may not have heard the name of the Promised Messiah. That these beliefs have my full concurrence, I readily admit.”
The Truth about the Split, Rabwah, 1965, pp. 55–56. The 2007 edition of this book is available on the Qadiani website from the link www.alislam.org/books/. See page 56 for this extract.
See original Urdu text below from the book A’inah-i Sadaqat [Urdu 1].
In this book, Mirza Mahmud Ahmad also gives a summary of his first article expressing these views which had earlier appeared in April 1911. He writes regarding this article:
“The article was elaborately entitled — ‘A Muslim is one who believes in all the messengers of God.’ The title itself is sufficient to show that the article was not meant to prove merely that ‘those who did not accept the Promised Messiah were deniers of the Promised Messiah’. Its object rather was to demonstrate that those who did not believe in the Promised Messiah were not Muslims.”
— pages 135–136 of the 1965 edition. In the 2007 online edition at www.alislam.org/books/ see page 144.
“Regarding the main subject of my article, I wrote that as we believed the Promised Messiah to be one of the prophets of God, we could not possibly regard his deniers as Muslims.” (pages 137–138 of 1965 edition; page 146 of online 2007 edition)
“…not only are those deemed to be Kafirs, who openly style the Promised Messiah as Kafir, and those who although they do not style him thus, decline still to accept his claim, but even those who, in their hearts, believe the Promised Messiah to be true, and do not even deny him with their tongues, but hesitate to enter into his Bai’at, have here been adjudged to be Kafirs.” (pages 139–140 of 1965 edition; page 148 of online 2007 edition)
“And lastly, it was argued from a verse of the Holy Quran that such people as had failed to recognise the Promised Messiah as a Rasul even if they called him a righteous person with their tongues, were yet veritable Kafirs.” (p. 140 of 1965 edition; page 148 of online 2007 edition)
See original Urdu text below from the book A’inah-i Sadaqat [Urdu 2].
According to these views, the only Muslims in the whole world at any time are those who have taken the bai‘at of the Qadiani leader of the time. In the last quotation above, the closing words given as “veritable Kafirs” are “pakkay kafir” in the original Urdu book A’inah-i Sadaqat. The word pakkay conveys the significance of ‘real, true, absolute and full-fledged’, meaning that all other Muslims are kafir in the fullest sense without the least doubt.
Views of M. Mahmud Ahmad’s brother Bashir

For the views of Mirza Bashir Ahmad, younger brother of Mirza Mahmud Ahmad, see this link.
Qadianis disallow funeral prayers for other Muslims.


Since the Qadiani belief is that all Muslims outside their community are non-Muslims, just like a Christian or a Hindu is a non-Muslim, the Qadiani leader Mirza Mahmud Ahmad forbade his followers from saying the funeral prayers of other Muslims. This instruction is given by him quite clearly and forcefully in his book Anwar-i Khilafat, published October 1916. At the end of the section where he deals with this question, Mirza Mahmud Ahmad writes as follows:

“Now another question remains, that is, as non-Ahmadis are deniers of the Promised Messiah, this is why funeral prayers for them must not be offered, but if a young child of a non-Ahmadi dies, why should not his funeral prayers be offered? He did not call the Promised Messiah as kafir. I ask those who raise this question, that if this argument is correct, then why are not funeral prayers offered for the children of Hindus and Christians,and how many people say their funeral prayers? The fact is that, according to the Shariah, the religion of the child is the same as the religion of the parents. So a non-Ahmadi’s child is also a non-Ahmadi, and his funeral prayers must not be said. Then I say that as the child cannot be a sinner he does not need the funeral prayers; the child’s funeral is a prayer for his relatives, and they do not belong to us but are non-Ahmadis. This is why even the child’s funeral prayers must not be said. This leaves the question that if a man who believes Hazrat Mirza sahib to be true but has not yet taken the bai‘at, or is still thinking about joining Ahmadiyyat, and he dies in this condition, it is possible that God may not punish him. But the decisions of the Shariah are based on what is outwardly visible. So we must do the same thing in his case, and not offer funeral prayers for him.”
Anwar-i Khilafat, page 93 of original edition; underlining is ours.
This book is available online at the Qadiani website in the collection Anwar-ul-‘Uloom, v. 3, no. 5 from the link www.alislam.org/urdu/au/?j=3. See pages 150–151.
See original Urdu text below from the book Anwar-i Khilafat [Urdu 3].
It is quite clear and plain from these instructions that the Qadiani belief is that all other Muslims, including the children of those Muslims and even including those Muslims who believe in the truth of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad but have not taken the pledge to join the Movement, are unbelievers (kafir) and non-Muslims just as people of other religions such as Hindus and Christians.
Original Urdu texts of above quotations





Title page of first edition of A’inah-i Sadaqat:
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Images below are from the online edition of A’inah-i Sadaqat at Anwarul 'Ulum : Urdu Books by Hadhrat Mirza Bashir-ud-din Mahmud Ahmad Khalifatul Masih II - Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama'at Urdu Pages (book no. 5). We have used red-lining to indicate the words being referred to.
Urdu 1:
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(A’inah-i Sadaqat,p. 35 original edition; p. 110 online edition)​
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(A’inah-i Sadaqat, p. 84 original ed., p. 149–150 online ed.)
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(A’inah-i Sadaqat, p. 85 original ed., p. 150 online ed.)
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(A’inah-i Sadaqat, p. 86 original ed., p. 151 online ed.)
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(A’inah-i Sadaqat, p. 86 original ed., p. 151 online ed.)​
Title page of first edition of Anwar-i Khilafat:
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Urdu 3:
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Anwar-i Khilafat, p. 93 original edition, p. 150–151 online edition. Image above is from the online edition of this book at Anwarul 'Ulum : Urdu Books by Hadhrat Mirza Bashir-ud-din Mahmud Ahmad Khalifatul Masih II - Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama'at Urdu Pages (book no. 5)​



http://www.alislam.org/urdu/au/AU6-5.pdf

YOUR QUOTATIONS ARE ALL WRONG. Page Refs are wrong too. our first Ref. online edition starts on pdf-format page 29
Please read the Link I've posted. AND READ IT IN WHOLE CONTEXT, AND I'AM QUITE SURE YOU WILL UNDERSTAND the subject.
 
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