The Qadiani Ahmadiyya Lahore Tragedy By Truth Unvield

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Night_Hawk

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1. Yes I agree with you 100% that Allah will show me the RIGHT PATH. Therefore Allah will not show me path to Qadyaniat since the path to Qadyaniat is not the right path.

2. The people whom you call Mullah, what would you call people of the stature but from your religion.

3. "His (PBUH) servant Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS)."

MGA is a servant of Hazrat Mohammaed pbuh?? FFS man! He aint no servant, but he is a false competitor.

3. " what these mulaa have done to Pakistan and the Muslim world at large."

What have they done? Also, your mullah have done even worse. Your Mullahs have not created but continue to create rift between Muslims, at least our Mullah have not made us gumrah, your mullahs have made you so gumrah that you have become truly deserving of jahannum.

' aur tum per azab mein zara brabar bhi kami nahi ki jayegi aur tumhari koi shunwai nahi hogi'

I wrote to you again because I had forgotten to reply this part of your comment. no more replies to you so you might as well not respond to my comment. Case closed

Gazoo Bhai,
I agree with you.
I have not responded to any of the threads in the past & have no intention.
 

Night_Hawk

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Dear Knowledge Seeker, Qadiyani truth ,Xia bhai & others
Assalam-o-alaikum
As we have started many threads before & try to engage in healthy dialogue (i am not talking about visitors because we dont have control over them) to get clear picture what is QADIYANIAT or AHMEDISM.. Whether it is best religion on earth or worst..
We have posted Mirza owns writtings & false claims, but still no one has come to counter us with logic & proof & consistency..
As i started this thread to show some great deceptions of Mirza & his cult, i didnot intervened when bro knowledge seeker confronted brother Kaleem.. As rightly he is currently most sane person defending his believes.. About sayeenwada, i dont want to talk about, as from his replies i think he is dedicated young ahmedi/qadiyani who dont want to listen to otherside & discuss openly on the basis of three points..
#1) QURAN
#2) SAHIH HADITHS
#3) MIRZA OWN CONTRADICTIONS IN HIS DIFFERENT BOOKS & FALSE PREDICTIONS
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About Gazoo bhai, i respect him a lot as he his mujahid (naughty one) ,even i donot agree with him on other subjects like closing this thread & similarly banning Indian members (or RAW CYBER WARRIORS)..
Even gazoo bhai couldnot kept himself silent after seeing this false propaganda & deception, i salute his efforts.
Brother Gazoo, we dont have personal agenda against Qadiyanis or Ahmedis nor i want to kill them all.. Neither we can convert all nonmuslims or win any dialogue without help & Hidayat from ALLAH SWT.
So as an ummati it is our duty first as to defend Finality of Muhammad PBUH in what ever manner we can..
Secondly as an ummati it is our duty to spread Islam to all non muslims as well as ignorant muslims, so that on the day of judgement we should not be ashamed..
I know you are aware of this, but i thought i should clearify why we have made this thread or any similar thread alive..
You can see my replies that i always stressed on Logic & Hikmat.. No bad or offensive language.. Even some times if i dont have command on a particular topic or point, i donot take part instead i try to clear my mind first then debate or post..
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Lastly i want some light on another mostly used logic from Qadiyanis/Ahmedis that is
"If this is the case the no prophet will ever come after Hadhrat Mohammed PBUH then why are you waiting for Hadhrat Isa to come ? "
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Also Brother Kaleem have raised some points about khatam & finality of Prophethood (http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...-Truth-Unvield&p=270433&viewfull=1#post270433)
will Xia & Knowledgeseeker bhai want to counter reply ..
I think we should stick to one point at a time, so first clear "FINALITY OF PROPHETHOOD & HAZRAT ESSA (AS) SECOND COMING AS CONTINUITY OF PROPHETHOOD???" first..
Jaza-k-ALLAH..

Sir you all are doing a wonderful Job. May Allah be with you all always.
 
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Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
What do Qadianis (Ahmadiyya) think of Muslims



Qadiani (Ahmadi) missionaries often attempt to present traditional Islamic belief as dogmatic, unpleasant, and intolerant of other faiths. They approach uninformed Muslims and try to win their sympathy (and perhaps their soul) by displaying their outrage at the fact that all Muslim Scholars have declared them unbelievers and outside the fold of Islam. Naturally, they conveniently omit the true reason for this verdict and instead try to capitalize on emotions and inherent goodness of Muslims. In other pages of this site, we have extensively explained the Qadiani (Ahmadiyya) doctrines that has convinced all informed Muslims Qadianism is Kufr.
In this page, we like to share with you some of their own writings testifying to the fact that they too believe that they have a different religion than what Muslims have been taught by Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) and have been following for 1400 years. Unfortunately, they have plagiarized much of the wonderful teachings and practices of Islam and call their new cult "Islam". They call the followers of Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) unbelievers!
If Qadianis (Ahmadiyya) believe they have a new religion and call the Muslims Kafir, should we call them Muslim?
Please do read the following Qadiani (Ahmadiyya) writings and decide for yourself.

Muslims declared Kafir (Non-Muslim):
  • "Allah has revealed to me that he who does not follow me and does not give me his oath of allegiance and remains in opposition is disobeying the will of Allah and His Rasul and is Jahannami (doomed to Hell)."
    (Collection of Posters, Vol. 3, P. 275; Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
  • "Question: Huzoor-e-aali (Respected Mirza Ghulam) has mentioned in thousands of places that it is not at all right to call Kafir a Kalima-go (someone who recites the Kalima) and an Ahle-Qibla. It is quite obvious that except those Momineen who become Kafir by calling you (Mirza Ghulam) a Kafir, no one becomes a Kafir by merely not accepting you. However, you have now written to Abdul Hakeem Khan that anyone who has received my message and has not accepted me is no longer a Muslim. There is contradiction between this statement and your statements in previous books. Earlier in Tiriaq-ul-Quloob etc you had mentioned that no one becomes Kafir by not accepting you; now you are writing that by rejecting me he becomes a Kafir?!

    Answer: This is strange that you consider the person who rejects me and the person who calls me Kafir as two different persons, whereas in the eyes of God he is the same type; because he who does not accept me is because he considers me a fabricator..."
    (Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 167, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
  • "All those Muslims who do not enter the fold of the Promised Messiah, whether or not they have heard of Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) are considered Kafirs and are beyond the pale of Islam."
    (Aeena-e-Sadaqat, P. 9/35, By Bashir-uddin Mahmud)
  • "God has revealed it to me that the person who did not believe in me after having heard about me is not a Muslim."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Jan 15, 1935 - Al-Hukum, 4:24, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
  • "It has been revealed to me that the person who did not follow me and did not enter into my fold, is disobedient and as such, should be thrown into Hell."
    (Miyar-ul-Akhyar, Vol. 9, P. 27, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
  • "He (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) has regarded him as an infidel who knows him to be truthful and does not belie him in speech but has not yet entered the fold."
    (Tashi-ul-Azhan, 6:4, Apr. 1911, Miyan Mahmood Qadiani -
    Aqaid-e-Ahmadia, P. 108)
  • "A man once asked the first caliph of the Messiah (Hakim Nuruddin Sahib) whether it was possible to attain salvation without having faith in mirza Sahib? He replied: 'If the Word of God is based on truth, it is not possible to attain salvation without having faith in Mirza Sahib."
    (Aa'ina-e-Sadaqat, P. 25, Miyan Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)
  • "In Lucknow, I (Mir Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani) met a man who was a great scholar. He said: 'Those are your enemies who make the propaganda that you condemn people as infidels. I can not believe that such broad minded people as you are can indulge in such things.' The man was making this remark to Sheikh Yaqub Ali Qadiani. I asked him to tell the man that we really believe them as infidels. The man was astonished to hear this."
    (Anwar-e-Khilafat, Miyan Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)
  • "It seems that the Promised Messiah had also suspected that the word 'Muslim' which he used also for non-Ahmadis might be wrongly understood. So, he has made it clear in his writings occasionally that the work 'Muslim' which he used for also non-Ahmadis meant 'those who claimed to be Muslims.' hence, wherever he has used that term for non-Ahmadis, he means by it those who claim to be Muslims, for he could not have recognized those who denied him as Muslims under divine instructions."
    (Kalimatul Fasl, Vol. 14, No. 3, P. 126, Sahibaza Bashir Ahmad Qadiani)
  • "Chaudhari Sahib (Sir Zafarullah Khan Qadiani) stressed the point that we Ahmadis are Muslims and it is wrong to regard us as infidels. As for the question whether the non-Ahmadis are infidels, the Ahmadis hold that they are infidels. They said so in the subordinate court and the Chaudhari Sahib has supported this statement in the High Court."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 10, No. 21, Sep. 14, 1922)
  • "O you who are called Muslims! If you really desire Islam's victory and invite the rest of the world to join you, then first come yourselves to the true Islam (Qadianism) which is available throught the Promised Messiah (Mirza of Qadian). It is under his auspices that today the roads to goodness and righteousness are open. By following him alone, man can reach the desired goal of success and salvation. He is the same pride of the former and the latter mankind (Muhammad), who had come 13 centuries ago from now as 'Rahmatul Alemeen' (The Mercy to the Worlds)."
    (Al-Fadl, September 26, 1915; Qadiani Religion, P. 211-212/264, 9th Edition, Lahore)
  • "To declare those who denied the Holy Prophet(SAW) in his first advent as Kafirs and outside the fold of Islam but to regard the deniers of his second advent (Mirza Ghulam) as Muslim is an insult to the Prophet and a joke against the signs of Allah, since the Promised Messiah has, in the Khutba-e-Ilhamia, compared the mutual relation between the first and the second advents of the Holy Prophet to the relations between the crescent and the full moon."
    (Al-Fadl, Vol. 3, No. 10, July 15, 1915; Qadiani Religion, P. 262)
  • "The point is now quite clear. If it is Kofr to deny the Merciful Prophet, it must also be Kofr to deny the Promised Messiah, because the Promised Messiah is in no way a separate being from the Merciful Prophet; rather he is the same (Muhammad). If anyone is not considered a Kafir for denying the promised Messiah, then anyone else who denies the Merciful Prophet should not also be considered a Kafir. How is it possible that denying him in his first advent should be considered Kofr, but denying him in his second advent should not be regarded as Kofr, even thought, as claimed by the Promised Messiah, his spiritual attainment is stronger, more complete, and more severe."
    (Kalimatul Fasl, P. 146-147; Review of Religions, March-April 1915)
  • "Any person who believes in Moses but does not believe in Christ, or believes in Christ but does not believe in Muhammad or believes in Muhammad but does not believe in the Promised Messiah, is not only a Kafir, but he is a confirmed (Pakka) Kafir, and out of the fold of Islam."
    (Kalimatul Fasl, P. 110, By Mirza Bashir Ahmad Qadiani)
  • "It is incumbent upon us that we should not regard non-Ahmadis as Muslims, nor should we offer prayers behind them, because according to our belief they deny one of the messengers of Allah. This is a matter of faith. None has any discretion in this."
    (Anwar-e-Khilafat, P. 90, by Mirza Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)
Marriage with non-Qadiani Declared Haram:
  • "He who gives his daughter in marriage to any non-Qadiani is a non-Ahmadi, even though he may call himself Ahmadi... It is also forbidden for our followers to participate in such marriage gathering."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, May 23, 1931)
  • "There is no harm if you marry a non-Ahmadi girl because it is allowed to marry women of the people of the Book... But an Ahmadi girl should not be given to a non-Ahmadi. There is no harm in accepting their girl but it is a sin to give them a girl."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Dec. 16, 1920)
  • "It is permitted to marry the daughters of Christians, Hindu, and Sikhs, (but to give them daughters is not allowed)."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Feb. 18, 1930)
  • "By giving up Ahmadiat I mean to do something which may amount to unbelieving; giving a daughter to any non-Ahmadi also falls in that category."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, May 4, 1922)
  • "The fifth tenet that is binding upon my sect in this erase is that you should not give your daughters to non-Ahmadis. He who gives his daughter to a non-Ahmadi does not know what Ahmadiat is. Do you find non-Ahmadis giving their daughters to Hindus or Christians? Non-Ahmadis are, according to our faith Kafir, but they are better than you in this respect. In spite of being Kafirs themselves, they do not give their daughters to Kafirs but you, in spite of being Ahmadi, give your daughters to non-believers."
    (Malaika-tullah, P. 46; by Mirza Bashir-ud-Din Mahmud)
  • "The promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) has definitely prohibited Ahmadis to give their daughters in marriage to non-Ahmadis (Muslims). Let us be careful in the future. Ahmadis should follow this verdict."
    (Barakat-e-Khilafat, P. 75, Miyan Mahmood Qadiani;
    Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 20, No. 97, Feb. 14, 1933)
  • "He who gives his daughter in marriage to a non-Ahmadi youth is not an Ahmadi in my opinion. None can give his daughter in marriage to a person whom he regards as a non-Muslim. The Qadi (Judge) who solemnizes such marriage should be regarded as a person who has conducted the marriage of a Muslim girl with a Christian or Hindu."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadiani, Vol. 8, No. 88, May 23, 1921)
  • "There is no harm in marrying a non-Ahmadi girl because it is permissible to marry women belonging to the people of the Book as it might result in her enlightenment. But we should not give our girls to non-Ahmadis though we can take their girls. It means that there is no harm in talking in non-Ahmadi girls."
    (Al-Hukum, Qadian, Vol. 8, No. 45, Dec. 16, 1920)
Praying Behind Muslims declared Haram:
  • "It is my considered religion: it is not permitted that you should offer prayer led by a non-Qadiani in any place whatsoever, whosoever he may be and however respected among the people he may be. This is an order from Allah and this is what Allah expects of you. Those who doubt this are considered deniers. Allah desires that a distinction be made between you and them."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Aug. 28, 1917)
  • "God has revealed to me that it is forbidden - strictly forbidden - that you should say prayers led by one who believes me to be a liar or is wavering in his allegiance to me. Instead it enjoined upon you that you should follow an Imam from amongst you."
    (Arbaeen, Vol. 3, P. 28; "Tuhfa-e-Golarwiah", P. 27, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
  • "No Qadiani is allowed to say prayers which are led by a non-Qadiani. People have asked this question again and again - is it permissible to pray behind them? I would say, whenever I am asked, it is not allowed for any Qadiani to pray behind a non-Qadiani. It is forbidden - not permitted - prohibited."
    (Anwar-e-Khilafat, P. 93)
Funeral Prayer for Muslims declared Haram:
  • "If one asks 'Is it permitted for us that funeral prayers be said for the children of Muslims', I would say: No - just as it is forbidden to pray for Hindu and Sikh children as the religion must follow his parents."
    (Anwar-e-Khilafat, Page 93)
  • 'To the question "What must be done to a Muslim who dies in a place where Qadianism is unknown? Should formal prayers be said?" I would say: "We do not know his full particulars but it would appear from his deed that he died in a state in which he was ignorant of Rasul of ALlah and His Nabi. Therefore, no prayers should be said for him. Nor would we say funeral prayers for a Qadiani who has followed a non-Qadiani in prayer or one who mixes with them by this action, he has left the pale of Qadianism."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, May 6, 1915, Bashir-ul-Din Mahmood Qadiani)
  • "Fadl Ahmad, the eldest son of promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) from his first wife, died, but he (Mirza Ghulam) did not say funeral prayers over his son as he (Fadl Ahmad) did not believe in his prophethood or in his prophecies, although he was obedient to his father in matters concerning day to day life."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Dec. 15, 1931 - Jul. 7 1943, Page 3)
  • "Hazrat Mirza Ghulam did not attend the funeral service of his son (late Mr. Fazl Ahmad) only because he was a non-Ahmadi (Muslim)."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 9, No. 47, Nov. 15, 1921)
  • "Our prayer has been channeled and we are not allowed to marry our daughters to them. To say funeral prayers for them is also prohibited. What else remains that we share with them? Relations are of two kinds: religious and worldly. The former comprises prayers and the latter relates to marriage. Thus, following non-believers in prayer is forbidden and it is also forbidden that you make them your sons-in-law. Should you then ask: 'then why do we greet them?' Then I would say that even the Prophet(pbuh) used to greet the Jews. In short, our Imam (Mirza Ghulam) has declared has declared us a distinct sect in every respect. There is no ceremony which occupies an important position in Islam in which we have not been separated from others."
    (Kalimatul-Fasl, Vol. 14, P. 169, Mirza Bashi Ahmed Qadiani)
  • "If a non-Ahmadi dies is it permissible to say" 'May Allah pardon him and grant him admission in the Heaven?
    Answer: The infidelity of the non-Admadis (Muslims) is a proven fact and it is not permissible to pray for their salvation."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 8, No. 59, Feb. 1921)
  • "It is an established rule that:
    1. The denial of even one of the prophets os enough to send a person out of the circle of Islam.
    2. It is not permissible to pray for Salvation for a person who is out of the circle of Islam.
    And as the Ahmadis believe that:
    1. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahib was as much a prophet as was Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa(pbuh) in the nature of prophethood.
    2. So it is not permissible to pray for the salvation of a person who goes out of the circle of Islam by his denial of Mirza Sahib."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 9, No. 30, Oct. 17, 1921)
  • "Chirag Din is a student of the Taleem-ul-Islam High School, Quadian. Recently, when he returned to his native place, Sialkot, his mother died. She had loved her son dearly, but since she was not an Ahmadi, Chirag Din did not attend her funeral prayers. He thus clung to his faith and principle. Well-done; Proud son of Taleem-ul-Islam. The movement (Quadianism) needs worthy sons like you. Well done."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 2, No. 129, Apr. 20, 1915)
  • "I believe that those who follow the lead of non-Ahmadis (Muslims) in prayers, it is not permissible to hold their funeral service. Similarly, those who have given their daughters in marriage to non-Quadianis and died without repenting, it is not permissible to hold their funeral service."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 13, No. 102, Apr. 13, 1926)
Is it then not a sign of the hypocrisy of Qadiani leadership and missionaries to claim to have ever wanted to be part of the Muslim nation? Yet, even after all this, the door of mercy of God is open to those who sincerely repent, give up false and man-made teachings of Mirza's family, and embrace Islam.
May Allah(SWT) guide every sincere individuals to the right path of Islam and away from the false teachings and claims of the Qadiani leadership.
 

Night_Hawk

Siasat.pk - Blogger
@cheeko

May Allah(SWT) guide every sincere individuals to the right path of Islam and away from the false teachings and claims of the Qadiani leadership.

Ameen. May Allah reward you for your nice prayer.
 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
Dear Cheeko
Assalam-o-alaikum
Jaza-k-ALLAH for your contributions, the statement made by Ehraz "YOUR QUOTATIONS ARE ALL WRONG. Page Refs are wrong too. our first Ref. online edition starts on pdf-format page 29
Please read the Link I've posted. AND READ IT IN WHOLE CONTEXT, AND I'AM QUITE SURE YOU WILL UNDERSTAND the subject. "
is v common. As they continously change their editions (online or print) so that if you quote (scanned copies) from original or old prints, they will respond that they are out of quote. Brother AK SHAIKH have explained this tactics of Ahmedis/Qadiyanis to counter not by logic but by deciet that is changing chapter & pages location..
I will read that pdf & will try to reply. But meanwhile Jaza-k-ALLAH for your efforts.
Regards.
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
simple answer = Pray to Allah the Exalted and you'll have your answers, guaranteed!

Your squirming and misrepresentation of Ahmadi Muslims and teachings of the Holy Prophet of Islam (PBUH) and His (PBUH) servant Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Massih/Mahidi Maoud (AS) will only help expand the Jammat further as people get curious. They gain knowledge, learn and realize the debacle with respect to what happened in Pakistan 30 years ago. We can all see your moulvis and their activities...the fitnas they created and the dirty eggs they laid have all come back to hatch and destroying our beloved Pakistan. Is that not proof enough...now everyone is a Kafir and no worship place is safe...See how Allah the Exalted's teaches a lesson?

Ahmadiyya Muslim Jammat is growing at a mind-boggling rate, small beggar governments of countries like Pakistan are nothing. Why don't you watch our 24 hour Arabic/french/Bangla Urdu TV www.mta.tv or visit www.alislam.org. People that join are people like yourselves that realized the misrepresentation, lies, twist and sheer stupid teachings of evil moulvis which have brainwashed all of you.

1- Therefore, you admit like every other Qadiani you don’t have the answers to this alleged revelations.

2- What do you have to say for the claims that no one understood the meanings of the word/term “Khatam” better than Mirza?


3- Can you compare use of this term “Khatam” with RabulAlameen in the context and meanings for the term “Khatam” provided by Mirza for Quranic verse “KhatamunNabiyeen”? Can you or any Qadiani answer the 7 questions asked by me at the end of my article, in the light and in accordance to the meanings provided by Mirza in his various books?

4- The troubles with Pakistan are Geopolitical and nothing to do with your Mirza Kazzab. On the contrary you are the part and parcel of those Geopolitical forces who are enemies of Pakistan, Muslims and Islam. In essence you are partly responsible for the planning and scheming of destruction of Pakistan. In other words you are the traitors and schemers against Pakistan. Pakistan and Pakistanis face hardship and problems including horrific murders of 1000s of Pakistanis due to your part in planning and scheming against her and her inhabitants, regardless of their colour, race or religion.


5- Have you been sleeping on your job, i.e. monitoring and spreading falsehood and distortions on various Pakistani media on the internet? The truth about your figures from the accounts supplied to the Charities Commissions was disclosed by me few years back on one of the threads on Ahmedi.org. After my posts some plagiarists stolen my ideas and have written two articles on it on another blog. But the reality is that you are merely, not more than few thousands in the UK based on the figures in your accounts submitted to the Charities Commission in the UK. Either this or your Jamat is performing a massive fraud with the figures in your accounts, in that case they are criminals for showing incorrect figures in their financial statements, and should be subject to prosecution under UK Laws. Which one is acceptable to you, the small figures of Qadianis in the UK or a jail term for those who were involved in preparation of financial statements?

6- After reading my articles, do you seriously think I have not been to your web site? For your information, I visit your site regularly for my research purposes to obtain the quotes. I intend to gradually destroy every lie and claim contained on that site and in the writings of your cultists including Mirza.
 
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sayeenwada

Councller (250+ posts)
1- Therefore, you admit like every other Qadiani you don’t have the answers to this alleged revelations.

2- What do you have to say for the claims that no one understood the meanings of the word/term “Khatam” better than Mirza?


3- Can you compare use of this term “Khatam” with RabulAlameen in the context and meanings for the term “Khatam” provided by Mirza for Quranic verse “KhatamunNabiyeen”? Can you or any Qadiani answer the 7 questions asked by me at the end of my article, in the light and in accordance to the meanings provided by Mirza in his various books?

4- The troubles with Pakistan are Geopolitical and nothing to do with your Mirza Kazzab. On the contrary you are the part and parcel of those Geopolitical forces who are enemies of Pakistan, Muslims and Islam. In essence you are partly responsible for the planning and scheming of destruction of Pakistan. In other words you are the traitors and schemers against Pakistan. Pakistan and Pakistanis face hardship and problems including horrific murders of 1000s of Pakistanis due to your part in planning and scheming against her and her inhabitants, regardless of their colour, race or religion.


5- Have you been sleeping on your job, i.e. monitoring and spreading falsehood and distortions on various Pakistani media on the internet? The truth about your figures from the accounts supplied to the Charities Commissions was disclosed by me few years back on one of the threads on Ahmedi.org. After my posts some plagiarists stolen my ideas and have written two articles on it on another blog. But the reality is that you are merely, not more than few thousands in the UK based on the figures in your accounts submitted to the Charities Commission in the UK. Either this or your Jamat is performing a massive fraud with the figures in your accounts, in that case they are criminals for showing incorrect figures in their financial statements, and should be subject to prosecution under UK Laws. Which one is acceptable to you, the small figures of Qadianis in the UK or a jail term for those who were involved in preparation of financial statements?

6- After reading my articles, do you seriously think I have not been to your web site? For your information, I visit your site regularly for my research purposes to obtain the quotes. I intend to gradually destroy every lie and claim contained on that site and in the writings of your cultists including Mirza.

"I intend to gradually destroy every lie and claim contained on that site and in the writings of your cultists including Mirza" Ahh I see....just like Zia, bhuttos, dowey and all the rest......Brother, honestly, I fear for your ignorance...all your quotations are copy/paste jobs from a few sources that lie, twist facts and take quotes out of context. They are all just lies upon lies..All these issues have been discussed and answered many times on TV.... it's really a waste of time here....The proof is in the pure message of Ahamdiyyat....return to the true teachings of the Holy Prophet of Islam (PBUH)...don't sit around and wait for Essa (AS) ...honestly...he is not coming...even if He (AS) did...you all would call him kafir kazab too...just as the Jews of that time did and tried to crucify Him (AS)

All you have to do is watch what has happened to Pakistan after the mulaa was let loose, and the draconian laws were put in place. The condition of Pakistan is not a geopolitical issue. Moulvis are not geopolitical...they are a cancer and innocent minds like yours have been turned against the truth. Just as a suicide bomber are turned into pathetic terrorists in the name of Islam.


Allah the Exalted does not protect and grant mind-boggling growth to Jammats of liars...Think about it.... save yourselves from these mullaa parast jihadi animals..
 
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sayeenwada

Councller (250+ posts)
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If the shoe fits, wear it! Why would you want to run away from the facts as mentioned by the Holy Prophet of Islam (PBUH).

Look and see for yourselves what these terrorists moulvis are doing..incubating terror factories, killing and Kafir declaring machines.....So what would you declare these moulvis and their suicide bombers to be?

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binmahmood

Councller (250+ posts)
"I intend to gradually destroy every lie and claim contained on that site and in the writings of your cultists including Mirza" Ahh I see....just like Zia, bhuttos, dowey and all the rest......Brother, honestly, I fear for your ignorance...all your quotations are copy/paste jobs from a few sources that lie, twist facts and take quotes of context. They are all just lies upon lies..All these issues have been discussed and answered many times on TV.... it's really a waste of time here....The proof is in the pure message of Ahamdiyyat....return to the true teachings of the Holy Prophet of Islam (PBUH)...don't sit around and wait for Essa (AS) ...honestly...he is not coming...even if He (AS) did...you all would call him kafir kazab too...just as the Jews of that time did and tried to crucify Him (AS)

All you have to do is watch what has happened to Pakistan after the mulaa was let loose, and the draconian laws were put in place. The condition of Pakistan is not a geopolitical issue. Moulvis are not geopolitical...they are a cancer and innocent minds like yours have been turned against the truth. Just as a suicide bomber are turned into pathetic terrorists in the name of Islam.


Allah the Exalted does not protect and grant mind-boggling growth to Jammats of liars...Think about it.... save yourselves from these mullaa parast jihadi animals..


A post portraying "Molvi-Phobia" disease, very common in Qadyani mindset..... Do you have anything else to spit to show your prejudice? "Love for all hatred for" blah blah..is ********. You guys are same, most of you. You just hate us because we follow our religious leaders.

It's not about lies and distracting sites against Qadyanis. Your books are available on YOUR OWN web sites. I don't have any problem in quoting famous references in the form of scan pages where you are taught by Mirza Ghulam to hate us. It's something you are taught for. It's your religious duty to hate Non-Qadyanis.

In such case, I love to burn prejudiced ones like you by calling a straight NON MUSLIM MINORITY.... If you have to live in Pakistan, you have to accept it's terms and conditions based on which, you guys are NON MUSLIMS. It's uttermost hypocrisy if you sign the application for citizenship that clearly state that you are Non Muslims and you accept this, and yet you think yourselves Muslims.

Some of my friends really are wrong for same level of discrimination for you, but to some extent, some of you really deserve for so.
 

sayeenwada

Councller (250+ posts)
What do Qadianis (Ahmadiyya) think of Muslims



Qadiani (Ahmadi) missionaries often attempt to present traditional Islamic belief as dogmatic, unpleasant, and intolerant of other faiths. They approach uninformed Muslims and try to win their sympathy (and perhaps their soul) by displaying their outrage at the fact that all Muslim Scholars have declared them unbelievers and outside the fold of Islam. Naturally, they conveniently omit the true reason for this verdict and instead try to capitalize on emotions and inherent goodness of Muslims. In other pages of this site, we have extensively explained the Qadiani (Ahmadiyya) doctrines that has convinced all informed Muslims Qadianism is Kufr.
In this page, we like to share with you some of their own writings testifying to the fact that they too believe that they have a different religion than what Muslims have been taught by Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) and have been following for 1400 years. Unfortunately, they have plagiarized much of the wonderful teachings and practices of Islam and call their new cult "Islam". They call the followers of Hazrat Muhammad(SAW) unbelievers!
If Qadianis (Ahmadiyya) believe they have a new religion and call the Muslims Kafir, should we call them Muslim?
Please do read the following Qadiani (Ahmadiyya) writings and decide for yourself.

Muslims declared Kafir (Non-Muslim):
  • "Allah has revealed to me that he who does not follow me and does not give me his oath of allegiance and remains in opposition is disobeying the will of Allah and His Rasul and is Jahannami (doomed to Hell)."
    (Collection of Posters, Vol. 3, P. 275; Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
  • "Question: Huzoor-e-aali (Respected Mirza Ghulam) has mentioned in thousands of places that it is not at all right to call Kafir a Kalima-go (someone who recites the Kalima) and an Ahle-Qibla. It is quite obvious that except those Momineen who become Kafir by calling you (Mirza Ghulam) a Kafir, no one becomes a Kafir by merely not accepting you. However, you have now written to Abdul Hakeem Khan that anyone who has received my message and has not accepted me is no longer a Muslim. There is contradiction between this statement and your statements in previous books. Earlier in Tiriaq-ul-Quloob etc you had mentioned that no one becomes Kafir by not accepting you; now you are writing that by rejecting me he becomes a Kafir?!

    Answer: This is strange that you consider the person who rejects me and the person who calls me Kafir as two different persons, whereas in the eyes of God he is the same type; because he who does not accept me is because he considers me a fabricator..."
    (Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 167, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
  • "All those Muslims who do not enter the fold of the Promised Messiah, whether or not they have heard of Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) are considered Kafirs and are beyond the pale of Islam."
    (Aeena-e-Sadaqat, P. 9/35, By Bashir-uddin Mahmud)
  • "God has revealed it to me that the person who did not believe in me after having heard about me is not a Muslim."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Jan 15, 1935 - Al-Hukum, 4:24, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
  • "It has been revealed to me that the person who did not follow me and did not enter into my fold, is disobedient and as such, should be thrown into Hell."
    (Miyar-ul-Akhyar, Vol. 9, P. 27, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
  • "He (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) has regarded him as an infidel who knows him to be truthful and does not belie him in speech but has not yet entered the fold."
    (Tashi-ul-Azhan, 6:4, Apr. 1911, Miyan Mahmood Qadiani -
    Aqaid-e-Ahmadia, P. 108)
  • "A man once asked the first caliph of the Messiah (Hakim Nuruddin Sahib) whether it was possible to attain salvation without having faith in mirza Sahib? He replied: 'If the Word of God is based on truth, it is not possible to attain salvation without having faith in Mirza Sahib."
    (Aa'ina-e-Sadaqat, P. 25, Miyan Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)
  • "In Lucknow, I (Mir Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani) met a man who was a great scholar. He said: 'Those are your enemies who make the propaganda that you condemn people as infidels. I can not believe that such broad minded people as you are can indulge in such things.' The man was making this remark to Sheikh Yaqub Ali Qadiani. I asked him to tell the man that we really believe them as infidels. The man was astonished to hear this."
    (Anwar-e-Khilafat, Miyan Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)
  • "It seems that the Promised Messiah had also suspected that the word 'Muslim' which he used also for non-Ahmadis might be wrongly understood. So, he has made it clear in his writings occasionally that the work 'Muslim' which he used for also non-Ahmadis meant 'those who claimed to be Muslims.' hence, wherever he has used that term for non-Ahmadis, he means by it those who claim to be Muslims, for he could not have recognized those who denied him as Muslims under divine instructions."
    (Kalimatul Fasl, Vol. 14, No. 3, P. 126, Sahibaza Bashir Ahmad Qadiani)
  • "Chaudhari Sahib (Sir Zafarullah Khan Qadiani) stressed the point that we Ahmadis are Muslims and it is wrong to regard us as infidels. As for the question whether the non-Ahmadis are infidels, the Ahmadis hold that they are infidels. They said so in the subordinate court and the Chaudhari Sahib has supported this statement in the High Court."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 10, No. 21, Sep. 14, 1922)
  • "O you who are called Muslims! If you really desire Islam's victory and invite the rest of the world to join you, then first come yourselves to the true Islam (Qadianism) which is available throught the Promised Messiah (Mirza of Qadian). It is under his auspices that today the roads to goodness and righteousness are open. By following him alone, man can reach the desired goal of success and salvation. He is the same pride of the former and the latter mankind (Muhammad), who had come 13 centuries ago from now as 'Rahmatul Alemeen' (The Mercy to the Worlds)."
    (Al-Fadl, September 26, 1915; Qadiani Religion, P. 211-212/264, 9th Edition, Lahore)
  • "To declare those who denied the Holy Prophet(SAW) in his first advent as Kafirs and outside the fold of Islam but to regard the deniers of his second advent (Mirza Ghulam) as Muslim is an insult to the Prophet and a joke against the signs of Allah, since the Promised Messiah has, in the Khutba-e-Ilhamia, compared the mutual relation between the first and the second advents of the Holy Prophet to the relations between the crescent and the full moon."
    (Al-Fadl, Vol. 3, No. 10, July 15, 1915; Qadiani Religion, P. 262)
  • "The point is now quite clear. If it is Kofr to deny the Merciful Prophet, it must also be Kofr to deny the Promised Messiah, because the Promised Messiah is in no way a separate being from the Merciful Prophet; rather he is the same (Muhammad). If anyone is not considered a Kafir for denying the promised Messiah, then anyone else who denies the Merciful Prophet should not also be considered a Kafir. How is it possible that denying him in his first advent should be considered Kofr, but denying him in his second advent should not be regarded as Kofr, even thought, as claimed by the Promised Messiah, his spiritual attainment is stronger, more complete, and more severe."
    (Kalimatul Fasl, P. 146-147; Review of Religions, March-April 1915)
  • "Any person who believes in Moses but does not believe in Christ, or believes in Christ but does not believe in Muhammad or believes in Muhammad but does not believe in the Promised Messiah, is not only a Kafir, but he is a confirmed (Pakka) Kafir, and out of the fold of Islam."
    (Kalimatul Fasl, P. 110, By Mirza Bashir Ahmad Qadiani)
  • "It is incumbent upon us that we should not regard non-Ahmadis as Muslims, nor should we offer prayers behind them, because according to our belief they deny one of the messengers of Allah. This is a matter of faith. None has any discretion in this."
    (Anwar-e-Khilafat, P. 90, by Mirza Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)
Marriage with non-Qadiani Declared Haram:
  • "He who gives his daughter in marriage to any non-Qadiani is a non-Ahmadi, even though he may call himself Ahmadi... It is also forbidden for our followers to participate in such marriage gathering."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, May 23, 1931)
  • "There is no harm if you marry a non-Ahmadi girl because it is allowed to marry women of the people of the Book... But an Ahmadi girl should not be given to a non-Ahmadi. There is no harm in accepting their girl but it is a sin to give them a girl."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Dec. 16, 1920)
  • "It is permitted to marry the daughters of Christians, Hindu, and Sikhs, (but to give them daughters is not allowed)."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Feb. 18, 1930)
  • "By giving up Ahmadiat I mean to do something which may amount to unbelieving; giving a daughter to any non-Ahmadi also falls in that category."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, May 4, 1922)
  • "The fifth tenet that is binding upon my sect in this erase is that you should not give your daughters to non-Ahmadis. He who gives his daughter to a non-Ahmadi does not know what Ahmadiat is. Do you find non-Ahmadis giving their daughters to Hindus or Christians? Non-Ahmadis are, according to our faith Kafir, but they are better than you in this respect. In spite of being Kafirs themselves, they do not give their daughters to Kafirs but you, in spite of being Ahmadi, give your daughters to non-believers."
    (Malaika-tullah, P. 46; by Mirza Bashir-ud-Din Mahmud)
  • "The promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) has definitely prohibited Ahmadis to give their daughters in marriage to non-Ahmadis (Muslims). Let us be careful in the future. Ahmadis should follow this verdict."
    (Barakat-e-Khilafat, P. 75, Miyan Mahmood Qadiani;
    Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 20, No. 97, Feb. 14, 1933)
  • "He who gives his daughter in marriage to a non-Ahmadi youth is not an Ahmadi in my opinion. None can give his daughter in marriage to a person whom he regards as a non-Muslim. The Qadi (Judge) who solemnizes such marriage should be regarded as a person who has conducted the marriage of a Muslim girl with a Christian or Hindu."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadiani, Vol. 8, No. 88, May 23, 1921)
  • "There is no harm in marrying a non-Ahmadi girl because it is permissible to marry women belonging to the people of the Book as it might result in her enlightenment. But we should not give our girls to non-Ahmadis though we can take their girls. It means that there is no harm in talking in non-Ahmadi girls."
    (Al-Hukum, Qadian, Vol. 8, No. 45, Dec. 16, 1920)
Praying Behind Muslims declared Haram:
  • "It is my considered religion: it is not permitted that you should offer prayer led by a non-Qadiani in any place whatsoever, whosoever he may be and however respected among the people he may be. This is an order from Allah and this is what Allah expects of you. Those who doubt this are considered deniers. Allah desires that a distinction be made between you and them."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Aug. 28, 1917)
  • "God has revealed to me that it is forbidden - strictly forbidden - that you should say prayers led by one who believes me to be a liar or is wavering in his allegiance to me. Instead it enjoined upon you that you should follow an Imam from amongst you."
    (Arbaeen, Vol. 3, P. 28; "Tuhfa-e-Golarwiah", P. 27, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
  • "No Qadiani is allowed to say prayers which are led by a non-Qadiani. People have asked this question again and again - is it permissible to pray behind them? I would say, whenever I am asked, it is not allowed for any Qadiani to pray behind a non-Qadiani. It is forbidden - not permitted - prohibited."
    (Anwar-e-Khilafat, P. 93)
Funeral Prayer for Muslims declared Haram:
  • "If one asks 'Is it permitted for us that funeral prayers be said for the children of Muslims', I would say: No - just as it is forbidden to pray for Hindu and Sikh children as the religion must follow his parents."
    (Anwar-e-Khilafat, Page 93)
  • 'To the question "What must be done to a Muslim who dies in a place where Qadianism is unknown? Should formal prayers be said?" I would say: "We do not know his full particulars but it would appear from his deed that he died in a state in which he was ignorant of Rasul of ALlah and His Nabi. Therefore, no prayers should be said for him. Nor would we say funeral prayers for a Qadiani who has followed a non-Qadiani in prayer or one who mixes with them by this action, he has left the pale of Qadianism."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, May 6, 1915, Bashir-ul-Din Mahmood Qadiani)
  • "Fadl Ahmad, the eldest son of promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) from his first wife, died, but he (Mirza Ghulam) did not say funeral prayers over his son as he (Fadl Ahmad) did not believe in his prophethood or in his prophecies, although he was obedient to his father in matters concerning day to day life."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Dec. 15, 1931 - Jul. 7 1943, Page 3)
  • "Hazrat Mirza Ghulam did not attend the funeral service of his son (late Mr. Fazl Ahmad) only because he was a non-Ahmadi (Muslim)."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 9, No. 47, Nov. 15, 1921)
  • "Our prayer has been channeled and we are not allowed to marry our daughters to them. To say funeral prayers for them is also prohibited. What else remains that we share with them? Relations are of two kinds: religious and worldly. The former comprises prayers and the latter relates to marriage. Thus, following non-believers in prayer is forbidden and it is also forbidden that you make them your sons-in-law. Should you then ask: 'then why do we greet them?' Then I would say that even the Prophet(pbuh) used to greet the Jews. In short, our Imam (Mirza Ghulam) has declared has declared us a distinct sect in every respect. There is no ceremony which occupies an important position in Islam in which we have not been separated from others."
    (Kalimatul-Fasl, Vol. 14, P. 169, Mirza Bashi Ahmed Qadiani)
  • "If a non-Ahmadi dies is it permissible to say" 'May Allah pardon him and grant him admission in the Heaven?
    Answer: The infidelity of the non-Admadis (Muslims) is a proven fact and it is not permissible to pray for their salvation."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 8, No. 59, Feb. 1921)
  • "It is an established rule that:
    1. The denial of even one of the prophets os enough to send a person out of the circle of Islam.
    2. It is not permissible to pray for Salvation for a person who is out of the circle of Islam.
    And as the Ahmadis believe that:
    1. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahib was as much a prophet as was Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa(pbuh) in the nature of prophethood.
    2. So it is not permissible to pray for the salvation of a person who goes out of the circle of Islam by his denial of Mirza Sahib."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 9, No. 30, Oct. 17, 1921)
  • "Chirag Din is a student of the Taleem-ul-Islam High School, Quadian. Recently, when he returned to his native place, Sialkot, his mother died. She had loved her son dearly, but since she was not an Ahmadi, Chirag Din did not attend her funeral prayers. He thus clung to his faith and principle. Well-done; Proud son of Taleem-ul-Islam. The movement (Quadianism) needs worthy sons like you. Well done."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 2, No. 129, Apr. 20, 1915)
  • "I believe that those who follow the lead of non-Ahmadis (Muslims) in prayers, it is not permissible to hold their funeral service. Similarly, those who have given their daughters in marriage to non-Quadianis and died without repenting, it is not permissible to hold their funeral service."
    (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 13, No. 102, Apr. 13, 1926)
Is it then not a sign of the hypocrisy of Qadiani leadership and missionaries to claim to have ever wanted to be part of the Muslim nation? Yet, even after all this, the door of mercy of God is open to those who sincerely repent, give up false and man-made teachings of Mirza's family, and embrace Islam.
May Allah(SWT) guide every sincere individuals to the right path of Islam and away from the false teachings and claims of the Qadiani leadership.


the copy link;

http://www.irshad.org/other/quran.php

Okay, above is the link these people copy from, and, here is the address for this Idara Dawat-o-Irshad (6461 Edsall Road, Alexandria, VA 22312)-- It's a town house of a pathetic extremist moulvi.....And, this stuff is always copied and pasted without ever going over the original teachings of the Promised Messiah (AS). The teachings of Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) are never read by people pasting this stuff...they don't want to do the due diligence required to go through the thousands of writings of Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS). They want a quick answer and people are led astray by these fanatics thus the current state of Muslims. One must do the required diligence to determine the validity, facts and the context of certain mazmoons....
 

sayeenwada

Councller (250+ posts)
A post portraying "Molvi-Phobia" disease, very common in Qadyani mindset..... Do you have anything else to spit to show your prejudice? "Love for all hatred for" blah blah..is ********. You guys are same, most of you. You just hate us because we follow our religious leaders.

It's not about lies and distracting sites against Qadyanis. Your books are available on YOUR OWN web sites. I don't have any problem in quoting famous references in the form of scan pages where you are taught by Mirza Ghulam to hate us. It's something you are taught for. It's your religious duty to hate Non-Qadyanis.

In such case, I love to burn prejudiced ones like you by calling a straight NON MUSLIM MINORITY.... If you have to live in Pakistan, you have to accept it's terms and conditions based on which, you guys are NON MUSLIMS. It's uttermost hypocrisy if you sign the application for citizenship that clearly state that you are Non Muslims and you accept this, and yet you think yourselves Muslims.

Some of my friends really are wrong for same level of discrimination for you, but to some extent, some of you really deserve for so.

we want your moulvis to stop the destruction of Islam and Pakistan, the Country we helped to create and defend and still do...what have your moulvis done? and who made you god on earth? don't you watch the shows here?...yesterday on Front Line, parcha from jammat-e-islami and the suni ithad noulvis are arguing and suni ithad agrees amongst others that these fanatics are their own creation..and by whom do you think?????
 

sayeenwada

Councller (250+ posts)
If the shoe fits, wear it! Why would you want to run away from the facts as mentioned by the Holy Prophet of Islam (PBUH).

Look and see for yourselves what these terrorists moulvis are doing..incubating terror factories, killing and Kafir declaring machines.....So what would you declare these moulvis and their suicide bombers to be?

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And, here is a Friday sermon being given....you be the judge between where the true salvation lays...This is how Allah the Exalted blesses the ones that are on the right path...not some ghamdi, paracha, fazul rahman, lal-masjid terrorist and many other madrassa moulvis...try to listen to it...

 

binmahmood

Councller (250+ posts)
we want your moulvis to stop the destruction of Islam and Pakistan, the Country we helped to create and defend and still do...

We have a word in Urdu, "Dheet". Sorry for that but you are acting as one. Well, you have yet to prove its OUR molvies doing so. I can blame it on you Qadyanies as well, actually you guys are trying to create a mess within Muslims, that's why you are doing these blasts and blowing yourselves up to meet your Ghulama back in hell. Now STOP this so that we may enjoy peace as we used to do in past.

what have your moulvis done? and who made you god on earth?
Ahh, I know it's gonna hurt, but dear Minority, dear Non Muslim, stop bullshitting. Stop showing us your prejudice. Our Molvies have done nothing but kept on leading Namaz-e-Janaza of our Martyrs. Do you know what Martyr is? My foot, how come you know about that? It's OUR blood that's being flown in bombs you ugly thinking prejudiced one.

don't you watch the shows here?...yesterday on Front Line, parcha from jammat-e-islami and the suni ithad noulvis are arguing and suni ithad agrees amongst others that these fanatics are their own creation..and by whom do you think?????
And these shows claim you guys as Non Muslims as well, now shut your mouth up and start believing yourself a damn Non Muslim, but you won't do so. Do you even know what's the difference between Sunni, Deobandi, Wahabi, Salafi? NO, because you just know a mere group who is trying to make us all hostage. NO because you are here to tag every Non Qadyani as a Taliban. NO, because you are so full of prejudice that you are even unable to see that it's WE MUSLIMS that are dying mostly. NO, because it's OUR BLOOD being wasted more then yours. Who the hell are you to claim of being victimized God Damn It.... It's US, MUSLIMS that are being slained EVERYWHERE, from IRAQ to KASHMIR. You guys are sitting in London, enjoying your lives and when once in a blue moon bunch of you got shot, you feel like you are being victimized? Stop your idiotic prejudice, we are fed up of that.

You have a serious problem you should consult a Psychiatrist for. You are infected with Molvi-Phobia and IslamoPhobia virus. Make yourself cleaned or someday we will have to operate you guys....
 

Knowledge Seeker

Senator (1k+ posts)
Kaleem_ch said:
"If this is the case the no prophet will ever come after Hadhrat Mohammed (pbuh) then why are you waiting for Hadhrat Isa to come ? "

Your question is showing your lack of understanding not only about Khatam e Nabuwat but also in subject of Nuzul e Hadhrat Isa Ibne Mariam (Alaihis Salaam).

Besides the clear verses of the holy Quran, there are over two hundred Ahadith e Nabawi (pbuh) about the finality of our beloved Prophet Hadhrat Muhammad (pbuh) which are more than enough to close the door for any person after Hadhrat Muhammad (pbuh) about claiming the Prophet hood till the day of Judgment.

Following Hadith e Nabawi (pbuh) would be helpful for you and other followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed to understand the fiqh of this matter.

"Messenger hood and prophet hood have ceased. There will be no messenger or prophet after me." [Al-Tirmidhi : 4:533 ; Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal :3:267 ; Al-Hakim, Al-Mustadrak : 4:433]

The above Hadith clearly mentions "Messenger hood and prophet hood have ceased so the claim of prophet hood by any person after our beloved Prophet (pbuh) will only fall in the category of Kazab and this is the reason which caused the Ummat e Muslima from the time of Sahaba Karam to recognise and expose the Kazzab of the claimers of Prophet hood. In fact, the prophet hood of Hadhrat Isa (Alaihis Salaam) has been well established before the time of our beloved Prophet (pbuh) so his Nuzul before the day of Judgement will neither contradict the finality of our beloved prophet (pbuh) and nor with his words "Messenger hood and prophet hood have ceased.

Khatam an Nabiyeen refers that Muhammad (pbuh) is the last prophet, the one who has closed up Prophet hood or sealed it. This seal will not be opened for anyone till the Day of Judgment. [Tafsir Ibn-e-Jarir :Vol 22 : 11]

Khatam an Nabiyeen indicates that there will be no new Prophet after him (pbuh) and when Hadhrat Isa (Alaihis Salaam) will come again, he will act according to the tradition of Prophet Hadhrat Muhammad (pbuh). [Imam Suyuti:Tafsir Al-Jalalayn ]

It is also well established through mass-transmitted (mutawatir) tradition of our beloved Prophet (pbuh) that Nuzul e Hadhrat Isa ibne Mariam (Alaihis Salaam) will occur before day of Judgment. The very important and noticeable point in those Ahadith, which does not leave any place of doubt about the identity of Hadhrat Isa (Alaihis Salam), is that instead of name Isa, Isa ibne Mariam is mentioned in many narrations. Further, The great Muhaditheen have named the chapters in this regard as Issa Ibne Mariam. Following are some references.

1) Sahih Al Bukhari : ‏نزول عيسى ابن مريم عليهما السلام‏
2) Sahih Al Muslim : ‏الفتن وأشراط الساعة‏ :: ‏في فتح قسطنطينية وخروج الدجال ونزول عيسى ابن مريم
3) Al Tirmidhi : ما جاء في نزول عيسى ابن مريم عليه السلام‏
4) Sunan Ibn Majah : فتنة الدجال وخروج عيسى ابن مريم وخروج يأجوج ومأجوج‏

Like Prophet hood, the Claim of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed about being "Isa" is also his Kazab. Was Mirza Ghulam Ahmed born without Father like Hadhrat Isa ibne Mariam (Alaihis Salam)??

I would again mention my following comments from other thread.

Our beloved Prophet (pbuh) said : Allah will bring out Al-Mahdi from my family and just before the day of judgment; even if only one day were to remain in the life of the world and he will spread on this earth justice and equity and will eliminate tyranny and oppression. [Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal: Vol 01: Page 99; Majma-uz-zawāid: Vol 7: Page 316; Al-Hakim, Al-Mustadrak : 4:600]

Hence, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed died without spreading justice and eliminating tyranny on this earth so his claim of Mahdi does not fulfil the criteria in above mentioned Hadith.

Finally, the false claims of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed about being Prophet, Messiah, and Mehdi are totally deception and his personality does not even fulfil the criteria of "Momin".
 
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