The Quran's Stance on Hadiths

[Shurahbil]

Oh, really? Please let me know where you responded with specifics on how to do Namaz.

I am questioning you about your beliefs - you already know mine, the Qur'an mentions some details about the Salah, the hadith/sunnah show how to do it.

What is the point of bringing hadith you already reject and do not use for your understanding of the Qur'an? - especially when they're widely available.

 

[Shurahbil]

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Stick to the Namaz now, as you are already deficient in giving the details of Namaz.

I am not trying to push my views on to you, I am asking you about your methodology and understanding of the Qur'an, are you running away?

 

[Wake up Pak]

I am questioning you about your beliefs - you already know mine, the Qur'an mentions some details about the Salah, the hadith/sunnah show how to do it.

What is the point of bringing hadith you already reject and do not use for your understanding of the Qur'an? - especially when they're widely available.

The point is that you do not even know that the ahadith are full of contradictions, and the complete method of Namaz is not even in the ahadith either.
You are just another blind follower who does not bother to use intellect & logic.

 

[Wake up Pak]

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I am not trying to push my views on to you, I am asking you about your methodology and understanding of the Qur'an, are you running away?

As I said, don't worry about my views, since you are the one who performs the Namaz, so you should have at least the courage to give the details of it.
Try not to run away now, as most of them do.

 

[Shurahbil]

As I said, don't worry about my views, since you are the one who performs the Namaz, so you should have at least the courage to give the details of it.
Try not to run away now, as most of them do.

The point is that you do not even know that the ahadith are full of contradictions, and the complete method of Namaz is not even in the ahadith either.
You are just another blind follower who does not bother to use intellect & logic.

This is what I am trying to establish - the intellectual and logical approach to the Qur'an - what is its methodology? You have not once answered.

Here is one source on the details of salah : https://www.iium.edu.my/deed/hadith/malik/003_mmt.html

Now what? I know there are differences of opinions and issues of authenticity, I don't hold the ahadith to be Qur'an.

So what is exactly is your methodology towards the Qur'an and what makes you a Muslim in terms of actions?

 

[Wake up Pak]

This is what I am trying to establish - the intellectual and logical approach to the Qur'an - what is its methodology? You have not once answered.

Here is one source on the details of salah : https://www.iium.edu.my/deed/hadith/malik/003_mmt.html

Now what? I know there are differences of opinions and issues of authenticity, I don't hold the ahadith to be Qur'an.

So what is exactly is your methodology towards the Qur'an and what makes you a Muslim in terms of actions?

The so-called detail of the salah/call to prayer you posted is full of contradictions, and I bet you did not even bother to go through it.

 

[Shurahbil]

The so-called detail of the salah/call to prayer you posted is full of contradictions, and I bet you did not even bother to go through it.

I agree.

Now what is your approach and methodology towards understanding the Qur'an. Do you have scholars you follow and is knowledge of the Qur'anic/classical Arabic a requirement or do you rely on any or certain translations?

 

[Wake up Pak]

This is what I am trying to establish - the intellectual and logical approach to the Qur'an - what is its methodology? You have not once answered.

Here is one source on the details of salah : https://www.iium.edu.my/deed/hadith/malik/003_mmt.html

Now what? I know there are differences of opinions and issues of authenticity, I don't hold the ahadith to be Qur'an.

So what is exactly is your methodology towards the Qur'an and what makes you a Muslim in terms of actions?

Here is a simple question for you, if all the narrators were Muslims, then how come the complete method of Namaz was not narrated in one single Hadith?

 

[Shurahbil]

Here is a simple question for you, if all the narrators were Muslims, then how come the complete method of Namaz was not narrated in one single Hadith?

Because they are narrations and not classes. Those narrating them already had a teacher - the Prophet pbuh himself and the major companions.

Do you believe the Salah just appeared hundreds of years later after the passing of the Prophet pbuh and was not practised between the life of the Prophet and the compilation of the hadith?

Anyway once again - Now what is your approach and methodology towards understanding the Qur'an. Do you have scholars you follow and is knowledge of the Qur'anic/classical Arabic a requirement or do you rely on any or certain translations?

 

[Wake up Pak]

I agree.

Now what is your approach and methodology towards understanding the Qur'an. Do you have scholars you follow and is knowledge of the Qur'anic/classical Arabic a requirement or do you rely on any or certain translations?

If you agree, then why are you still adamant about the Namaz?

 

[Wake up Pak]

Because they are narrations and not classes. Those narrating them already had a teacher - the Prophet pbuh himself and the major companions.

Do you believe the Salah just appeared hundreds of years later after the passing of the Prophet pbuh and was not practised between the life of the Prophet and the compilation of the hadith?

Anyway once again - Now what is your approach and methodology towards understanding the Qur'an. Do you have scholars you follow and is knowledge of the Qur'anic/classical Arabic a requirement or do you rely on any or certain translations?

There was no Namaz during the Prophet's time it was later invented by the Persian Majosi imams. Read the weird hadith about the Prophet ascending to heaven to meet Allah and getting 50 Namaz as a gift.

 

[Shurahbil]

If you agree, then why are you still adamant about the Namaz?

I am not. It was a line of enquiry to understand your understanding and approach to the Qur'an.

Now what is your approach and methodology towards understanding the Qur'an. Do you have scholars you follow and is knowledge of the Qur'anic/classical Arabic a requirement or do you rely on any or certain translations?

 

[Wake up Pak]

Because they are narrations and not classes. Those narrating them already had a teacher - the Prophet pbuh himself and the major companions.

Do you believe the Salah just appeared hundreds of years later after the passing of the Prophet pbuh and was not practised between the life of the Prophet and the compilation of the hadith?

Anyway once again - Now what is your approach and methodology towards understanding the Qur'an. Do you h
Book 3, Number 3.8.35:

Yahya related to me from Malik from Hisham ibn Urwa from his father that Abu Bakr as-Siddiq prayed subh and recited suratal-Baqara in the two rak'as.

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Book 3, Number 3.8.36:

Yahya related to me from Malik from Hisham ibn Urwa that his father heard Abdullah ibn Amir ibn Rabia say, "We prayed subh behind Umar ibn al-Khattab and he recited suraYusuf (Sura 12) and surat al-Hajj (Sura 22) slowly." I (Hisham's father) said, "By Allah, then it must have been his habit to get up at the crack of dawn." He said, "Of course."

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Book 3, Number 3.8.37:

Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said and Rabia ibn Abi Abd arRahman from al-Qasim ibn Muhammad that al Furafisa ibn Umayral-Hanafi said, "I only learnt Sura Yusuf (Sura 12) from the recitation of it by Uthman ibn Affan in the subh prayer because of the great number of times he repeated it to us."

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Book 3, Number 3.8.38:

Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi that Abdullah ibn Umar used to recite the first ten suras of the mufassal in the subh prayer, and on a journey he would recite the ummal-Qur'an and a sura in every raka.

ave scholars you follow and is knowledge of the Qur'anic/classical Arabic a requirement or do you rely on any or certain translations?

Here is a sample from the link you posted.

 

[Wake up Pak]

I am not. It was a line of enquiry to understand your understanding and approach to the Qur'an.

Now what is your approach and methodology towards understanding the Qur'an. Do you have scholars you follow and is knowledge of the Qur'anic/classical Arabic a requirement or do you rely on any or certain tr

How hard it is to learn that the Quran says not to lie or do justice even if it is against your parents etc. Do you need scholars for the basic commandments of Allah?

 

[Shurahbil]

How hard it is to learn that the Quran says not to lie or do justice even if it is against your parents etc. Do you need scholars for the basic commandments of Allah?

There was no Namaz during the Prophet's time it was later invented by the Persian Majosi imams. Read the weird hadith about the Prophet ascending to heaven to meet Allah and getting 50 Namaz as a gift.

Do you believe in the ascension?

 

[Shurahbil]

How hard it is to learn that the Quran says not to lie or do justice even if it is against your parents etc. Do you need scholars for the basic commandments of Allah?

Okay, so your methodology is read it as it is without any need for context and past or further knowledge.

Thank you for answering.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Do you believe in the ascension?

Ascension of who?

 

[Wake up Pak]

Okay, so your methodology is read it as it is without any need for context and past or further knowledge.

Thank you for answering.

That may be your methodology, but I use my brain, and I hardly depend on any particular mullah and I always verify it for myself.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Okay, so your methodology is read it as it is without any need for context and past or further knowledge.

Thank you for answering.

How hard it is to understand the following verses?

"And We have revealed the Book to you which has a clear explanation of everything, and a guidance, mercy and good news for those who submit." (Qur'an 16:89)

“Shall I then seek a Judge other than Allah? When it is He Who has revealed to you the Book fully detailed?” (Qur'an 6:114)

"Say, ‘I do not say to you that I have treasures of Allah, nor do I know the unseen, nor do I tell you that I am an angel. I only follow what is revealed to me.’ " (Qur’an 6:50)

 

[Citizen X]

Okay, so your methodology is read it as it is without any need for context and past or further knowledge.

If you are reading it, you are reading it in context, out of context would be when traditional shaman preset partial quotes of verses that seem to prove their points, specially when it comes to "following the sunnah" Makes no difference to the message if they are so called makki surahs or madani surahs or this surah was revealed at this time or that time, if that information is important the Quran mentions it

Quran it self says it is a detailed book in a clear and easy to understand Arabic and if all the oceans in the world were ink they would not be enough for Allah's qalam for he is not short for words but he didn't and gave is only the Quran, so I don't see how and from where you would get "further knowledge"

Allah completed the deen during the life time of the Prophet and once he passed away all doors and pathways closed till the end of time. If even a millions moulvi gathered they cannot take away from the deen anything the size of a grain of sand nor add it. So there is no further knowledge, only stories, fairytales and outright lies.