"US can win war without Pakistan" - US Defence Secretary Robert Gates

mohib

Senator (1k+ posts)
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As Barack Obama announced troops pullout, Robert Gates said US can win war without Pakistan.

Success is possible in the war in Afghanistan even if Pakistan fails to fully cooperate in countering militants along its border, US Defence Secretary Robert Gates told a foreign news agency.


With Pakistan taking some positive steps, Gates said: "I think that as long as the picture stays mixed like that, that we can be successful."
Meanwhile, Obama announced the Afghan troops withdrawal timetable.



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sngilani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: US can win war without Pakistan - Robert Gates

US cannot win without Pakistans help. US does not understand demographics of this region. Fighting in Afghanistan is treating symptoms. Actual disease is Kashmir. The India-Pakistan rivalry remains one of the most enduring and unresolved conflicts of our times. Both are involved in proxy war in Afghanistan. Reason is Kashmir. This will continue until 'Kashmir issue' is resolved. Lack of initiative to resolve Kashmir issue is the main cause of failure of Osamas AFPAK policy. US has to re-think about this region and include India in the jigsaw forming an AFPInd (Afghan-Pak-India). This will make all sense in creating peace in this region.
 

only_truths

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: US can win war without Pakistan - Robert Gates

US cannot win without Pakistans help. US does not understand demographics of this region. Fighting in Afghanistan is treating symptoms. Actual disease is Kashmir. The India-Pakistan rivalry remains one of the most enduring and unresolved conflicts of our times. Both are involved in proxy war in Afghanistan. Reason is Kashmir. This will continue until 'Kashmir issue' is resolved. Lack of initiative to resolve Kashmir issue is the main cause of failure of Osamas AFPAK policy. US has to re-think about this region and include India in the jigsaw forming an AFPInd (Afghan-Pak-India). This will make all sense in creating peace in this region.

US is winning with minimal support from across the border of sheltering strategic and good assets. The phased troop withdrawal is an indication of this. It is in Pakistan's interest to help US to clear out all the non-state actors from both sides of the border, as otherwise it will be only Pakistan which will be fighting these strategic assets once US leave.

India is not fighting a proxy war in Afghanistan. India has age old relationship even before the birth of Pakistan with Afghanistan. India as enemy no.1 or Kashmir as "Kore" issue is the brainchild of "Krore" commanders (quote: http://tribune.com.pk/story/191642/towards-greater-accountability/) to milk tax payers money from Govt. of Pakistan.

Let us accept LOC and live in peace. Border is just a line, let people mingle together and be happy instead of fighting.
 

sngilani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: US can win war without Pakistan - Robert Gates

US is winning with minimal support from across the border of sheltering strategic and good assets. The phased troop withdrawal is an indication of this. It is in Pakistan's interest to help US to clear out all the non-state actors from both sides of the border, as otherwise it will be only Pakistan which will be fighting these strategic assets once US leave.

India is not fighting a proxy war in Afghanistan. India has age old relationship even before the birth of Pakistan with Afghanistan. India as enemy no.1 or Kashmir as "Kore" issue is the brainchild of "Krore" commanders (quote: http://tribune.com.pk/story/191642/towards-greater-accountability/) to milk tax payers money from Govt. of Pakistan.

Let us accept LOC and live in peace. Border is just a line, let people mingle together and be happy instead of fighting.

How innocently you are saying 'make LOC a border and live hapily there after'. Hahahahahah .. I am still laughing. This is one of the most intractable and long standing conflicts in the world. Three major wars have been fought over this and thousands and perhaps even more than a million people have died. The result so far is that India controls almost two-thirds of Kashmir and Pakistan controls one-third. China controls the rest. The conflict continues. Most scholars who have studied this issue feel that Pakistan has the stronger case. However, India has more people to advocate their point of view.

When British India was given its independence, India was supposed to be divided into two countries: India and Pakistan. All areas which were more than 70% Muslim were supposed to go into Pakistan. The rest would be India.
However, the "princely states" would be left to decide on their own. They could join either Pakistan or India or they could remain independent.

The rulers of many states were for a time not sure if they wanted to join Pakistan or India. But eventually they joined one or the other with passage of time. But in Kashmir, there was an immediate war. According to the Indians, troublemakers from the Northwest Frontier were causing riots and agitation in Kashmir. As a result, the Maharaja of Kashmir joined India and requested the assistance of the Indian Army. The Indian Army arrived immediately and Pakistan attacked the next day.

During this war Pakistan was about to run over all Kashmir but Indian went to United Nations with a request of Ceasefire. UN passed its famous and historical resolution after declaring ceasefire between the two. This resolution states a plebiscite among people of Kashmir to resolve this issue. When Pakistan built a road to China known as the Karakorum Highway, India protested to the United Nations that a road was being built across "their territory" without their permission.

However, Pakistan has a different stance. According to Pakistan Kashmiri people themselves want to join with Pakistan. The Maharaja of Kashmir had no right to call in the Indian Army. Instead he should ask his own people first. Finally, the agreement was that any areas more than 70% Muslim would go to Pakistan. Kashmir has more than 90% Muslims and therefore clearly should have been part of Pakistan.

Currently every one of these polls has had a similar result. Some want an independent Kashmir. Some want to join Pakistan. Almost none at all want to stay in India. The very few who do want to stay in India are recent arrivals, primarily Hindus, who do not have long heredity links to Kashmir.

Nobody on the Pakistan side of Kashmir wants to join India, but a few would like to have independence.
Kashmiri people feel closer to Pakistan culturally and religiously. Finally, British were at fault for not resolving this issue before pulling out in 1947. And US is making another mistake not resolving this issue before pulling out from this region.
 
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Bombaybuz

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: US can win war without Pakistan - Robert Gates

Let them do the face saving ... we also paid huge price for the last 30 years sins ... hopefully then there will be some peace in Afghanistan for a change...
 

United4Pak

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: US can win war without Pakistan - Robert Gates

After Abbotabad operation US was saying Pakistan is our close ally and now this which shows that they are using carrot and stick approach to keep Pakistan on their side. They basically want Pakistan to start operation in North waziristan while US is making friendship with Taliban. This way they can leave Afganistan sooner and leaving Pakistan in quagmire.
 

shamsheer

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: US can win war without Pakistan - Robert Gates

After Abbotabad operation US was saying Pakistan is our close ally and now this which shows that they are using carrot and stick approach to keep Pakistan on their side. They basically want Pakistan to start operation in North waziristan while US is making friendship with Taliban. This way they can leave Afganistan sooner and leaving Pakistan in quagmire.

No offence to you United4PK.

And why everybody on this forum is an intellectual while Pakistan army is a dumb a.s.s. that does not have common sense. Actually every body with power is a dumb a.s.s. while all of us on forums are smart enough to understand the plots, I really wonder.
 

PkRevolution

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: US can win war without Pakistan - Robert Gates

Mr. Gates does not know what is meaning of winning a war. These losers lost every war. Even with demonstration of best technologies they failed in their mission. I would sugguest that mr. Gates should concentrate on finding reasons why their technologies won't help them win a war.
 

PkRevolution

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: US can win war without Pakistan - Robert Gates

US is winning with minimal support from across the border of sheltering strategic and good assets. The phased troop withdrawal is an indication of this. It is in Pakistan's interest to help US to clear out all the non-state actors from both sides of the border, as otherwise it will be only Pakistan which will be fighting these strategic assets once US leave.

India is not fighting a proxy war in Afghanistan. India has age old relationship even before the birth of Pakistan with Afghanistan. India as enemy no.1 or Kashmir as "Kore" issue is the brainchild of "Krore" commanders (quote: http://tribune.com.pk/story/191642/towards-greater-accountability/) to milk tax payers money from Govt. of Pakistan.

Let us accept LOC and live in peace. Border is just a line, let people mingle together and be happy instead of fighting.


Only nation which should be worried after us has gone from Afghanistan is INDIA. You must be worried now.

Live happy together?

Stop non sense. India is doing following crimes in Pakistan which they will answer for it:

1. you are supporting terrorists for spreading Anarchy in Balochistan. We have enough evidence.

2. Your consulates in Afghanistan are training camps of RAW terrorists. These bastereds send people to Pakistan for bombing, attacks like in Lahore and Bombings in shrines.

3. India did not know what the were doing to destabilize pakistan during United states stay in Afghanistan but every single child of pakistan knows it and you will pay for it.

4. Mind it that Pakistani people are not fool. We have recorded all indian activities.

5. You have no Idea before pakistan's birth and relationship to Afghanistan. Proxy war is to be answered no excuse.

Peace " Amman ki Ashaa", border is just line? You are nuts.
 

smalltimepro

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: US can win war without Pakistan - Robert Gates

US is winning
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15th of February 1989 - BBC Reported
"The Soviet authorities hailed the withdrawal from Afghanistan as a victory although many people felt the exit marked a major humiliation of the Red Army's military power."

Let us wait and see if they choose similar words for the US retreat. Or may be more like our Indian friend.

Mr. India .. go back to you shining (smelly) country and celebrate a similar victory for US with a sip of Gau Jal. (clap)(clap)(clap) Hurray for ur victory
 

jaanmark

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: US can win war without Pakistan - Robert Gates

Under sleeping Robert Gates can says any thing .

99.9 % Pakistani say in vecking position to USA go take care of your own public which loss very things jobs , house, family and trust in dollar due to war in Muslims areas .

We Pakistani feel sorry about USA , they come those areas for getting nothing but death and leaving the so call freedom of all things.
 

PkRevolution

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: US can win war without Pakistan - Robert Gates

No offence to you United4PK.

And why everybody on this forum is an intellectual while Pakistan army is a dumb a.s.s. that does not have common sense. Actually every body with power is a dumb a.s.s. while all of us on forums are smart enough to understand the plots, I really wonder.

Best professional Army in the world , Best secret agency (ISI) can not be dumb. Only time is matter.
 

Star Gazer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: US can win war without Pakistan - Robert Gates

US is winning with minimal support from across the border of sheltering strategic and good assets. The phased troop withdrawal is an indication of this. It is in Pakistan's interest to help US to clear out all the non-state actors from both sides of the border, as otherwise it will be only Pakistan which will be fighting these strategic assets once US leave.

India is not fighting a proxy war in Afghanistan. India has age old relationship even before the birth of Pakistan with Afghanistan. India as enemy no.1 or Kashmir as "Kore" issue is the brainchild of "Krore" commanders (quote: http://tribune.com.pk/story/191642/towards-greater-accountability/) to milk tax payers money from Govt. of Pakistan.

Let us accept LOC and live in peace. Border is just a line, let people mingle together and be happy instead of fighting.

If border is just a line then move it back out to the indian border and we can live in peace and people can mingle!
How about letting the people mingle by changing the borders in Junagarh also? Think over it, I like your idea just prove that you mean it by following your own words.
As for what is in Pakistan interset you need not bother your delicate mind over it.
 

only_truths

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: US can win war without Pakistan - Robert Gates

If border is just a line then move it back out to the indian border and we can live in peace and people can mingle!
How about letting the people mingle by changing the borders in Junagarh also? Think over it, I like your idea just prove that you mean it by following your own words.
As for what is in Pakistan interset you need not bother your delicate mind over it.

Living in peace is my wish, I do not know what is your choice. Kashmir and Junagarh are not same for practical purposes. The so called pre-empted Jihadist attack created the Kashmir problem in 1948, otherwise a different solution could have emerged through peaceful means. Probably Pakistan wanted to copy the way Sardar Patel used force in getting the princely states which had territorial connectivity to Dominion of India . I do not want to speculate on the past.

The division of India and Pakistan is based on religion and territorial connectivity. If Junagarh or Hyderabad (Deccan) would have become Pakistan, then they would have met the same fate of East Bengal now Bangadesh. The only difference would have been they would have become part of India. I am just talking about reality. (Remember Goa of Portugal and Puduchery of French colony).

I have nothing to do with Pakistan interests except for best wishes. What I wrote is in the context of Indian interests in containing terrorism in the region which include Pakistan.
 
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only_truths

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: US can win war without Pakistan - Robert Gates

Only nation which should be worried after us has gone from Afghanistan is INDIA. You must be worried now.

Live happy together?

Stop non sense. India is doing following crimes in Pakistan which they will answer for it:

1. you are supporting terrorists for spreading Anarchy in Balochistan. We have enough evidence.

2. Your consulates in Afghanistan are training camps of RAW terrorists. These bastereds send people to Pakistan for bombing, attacks like in Lahore and Bombings in shrines.

3. India did not know what the were doing to destabilize pakistan during United states stay in Afghanistan but every single child of pakistan knows it and you will pay for it.

4. Mind it that Pakistani people are not fool. We have recorded all indian activities.

5. You have no Idea before pakistan's birth and relationship to Afghanistan. Proxy war is to be answered no excuse.

Peace " Amman ki Ashaa", border is just line? You are nuts.

Re: point 2 - Your language shows how good is your argument.

quote "you are nuts " - unquote: Yes. I am realistic and rational.

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only_truths

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: US can win war without Pakistan - Robert Gates

How innocently you are saying 'make LOC a border and live hapily there after'. Hahahahahah .. I am still laughing. This is one of the most intractable and long standing conflicts in the world. Three major wars have been fought over this and thousands and perhaps even more than a million people have died. The result so far is that India controls almost two-thirds of Kashmir and Pakistan controls one-third. China controls the rest. The conflict continues. Most scholars who have studied this issue feel that Pakistan has the stronger case. However, India has more people to advocate their point of view.

When British India was given its independence, India was supposed to be divided into two countries: India and Pakistan. All areas which were more than 70% Muslim were supposed to go into Pakistan. The rest would be India.
However, the "princely states" would be left to decide on their own. They could join either Pakistan or India or they could remain independent.

The rulers of many states were for a time not sure if they wanted to join Pakistan or India. But eventually they joined one or the other with passage of time. But in Kashmir, there was an immediate war. According to the Indians, troublemakers from the Northwest Frontier were causing riots and agitation in Kashmir. As a result, the Maharaja of Kashmir joined India and requested the assistance of the Indian Army. The Indian Army arrived immediately and Pakistan attacked the next day.

During this war Pakistan was about to run over all Kashmir but Indian went to United Nations with a request of Ceasefire. UN passed its famous and historical resolution after declaring ceasefire between the two. This resolution states a plebiscite among people of Kashmir to resolve this issue. When Pakistan built a road to China known as the Karakorum Highway, India protested to the United Nations that a road was being built across "their territory" without their permission.

However, Pakistan has a different stance. According to Pakistan Kashmiri people themselves want to join with Pakistan. The Maharaja of Kashmir had no right to call in the Indian Army. Instead he should ask his own people first. Finally, the agreement was that any areas more than 70% Muslim would go to Pakistan. Kashmir has more than 90% Muslims and therefore clearly should have been part of Pakistan.

Currently every one of these polls has had a similar result. Some want an independent Kashmir. Some want to join Pakistan. Almost none at all want to stay in India. The very few who do want to stay in India are recent arrivals, primarily Hindus, who do not have long heredity links to Kashmir.

Nobody on the Pakistan side of Kashmir wants to join India, but a few would like to have independence.
Kashmiri people feel closer to Pakistan culturally and religiously. Finally, British were at fault for not resolving this issue before pulling out in 1947. And US is making another mistake not resolving this issue before pulling out from this region.

I am not going to educate you on the accession of Kashmir to India. You have good internet access being in USA, so please Google and get to facts.

quote:" US is making another mistake not resolving this issue before pulling out from thing region"

unquote : how desperate you are in taking Ameerikanoo's help.