Who is Pakistan's Enemy Number One?

[zhohaq]

Re: Who is Pakistan's Enemy Number One? Musharraf and the Military? Or the Taliban Terrorists?

NS is playing by the book, politically and legally he had to go to SC, if he had not done so everybody would have cried murder, this case will go on for another 6 months and than die on its own accord but most important is FP on which everybody future hangs. PTI stand of coming out from WOT is the sensible option to come out of this saga, but who will do so? I think DR Masood famous quip, talk talk fight fight will be the norm in near future until US goes out of Afghanistan, which I don't see in distant future. If u look at the picture below and the seating arrangement , things are going in right direction, [HI]keeping in mind the envoy was set to meet Sartaj Aziz and kyani but NS butted in and stole the show[/HI]

Well spotted. This is significant.
Some of Nawaz Sharif recent moves have been brilliant and well thought of. Keeping FP and defense.
Handling of Balochistan govt and Mushi case.If he had a role in the recent MQM thing then even more impressive.

But can he maintain this or well the Lassi kick in and he will get lazy again.
Things will get clearer when he chooses a new Army chief and deals with a new CJ in a few months.

Dont think he will let Mushi go.Its personal. The pushback from Pro Mushi camp hasn't materialised.
Hence these idiotic threads like this one from Mr Riaz ul Haq.

 

[RiazHaq]

Re: Who is Pakistan's Enemy Number One? Musharraf and the Military? Or the Taliban Terrorists?

NS is playing by the book, politically and legally he had to go to SC, if he had not done so everybody would have cried murder, this case will go on for another 6 months and than die on its own accord but most important is FP on which everybody future hangs. PTI stand of coming out from WOT is the sensible option to come out of this saga, but who will do so? I think DR Masood famous quip, talk talk fight fight will be the norm in near future until US goes out of Afghanistan, which I don't see in distant future. If u look at the picture below and the seating arrangement , things are going in right direction, keeping in mind the envoy was set to meet Sartaj Aziz and kyani but NS butted in and stole the
how

Neither Nawaz Sharif nor the Supreme Court are following the constitution in their pursuit of Muaharraf.

Nawaz Sharif did not go to the Supreme Court in this case; it was Supreme Court that demanded that Nawaz Sharif go after Musharraf....why? Because Supreme Court of Pakistan is made up of vindictive and bigoted judges seeking revenge, not upholding the constitution of Pakistan.

Let's remember what the high treason act of Pakistan says : No court shall take cognizance of an offense punishable under this act except upon a complaint in writing made by a person authorized by the Federal Government in this behalf.

The current case was not started by the govt; it was started with a complaint from Hamid Khan who has no standing in this case and yet the Supreme Court accepted it and demanded that govt try Musharraf in a completely unconstitutional manner.

http://www.riazhaq.com/2013/04/is-high-treason-trial-of-pervez.html

 

[rtabasum2]

Re: Who is Pakistan's Enemy Number One? Musharraf and the Military? Or the Taliban Terrorists?

Neither Nawaz Sharif nor the Supreme Court are following the constitution in their pursuit of Muaharraf.

Nawaz Sharif did not go to the Supreme Court in this case; it was Supreme Court that demanded that Nawaz Sharif go after Musharraf....why? Because Supreme Court of Pakistan is made up of vindictive and bigoted judges seeking revenge, not upholding the constitution of Pakistan.

Let's remember what the high treason act of Pakistan says : “No court shall take cognizance of an offense punishable under this act except upon a complaint in writing made by a person authorized by the Federal Government in this behalf.”

The current case was not started by the govt; it was started with a complaint from Hamid Khan who has no standing in this case and yet the Supreme Court accepted it and demanded that govt try Musharraf in a completely unconstitutional manner.

http://www.riazhaq.com/2013/04/is-high-treason-trial-of-pervez.html

Nothing will come out of this, just waste of time, SC had ample time in five years to give some solid decisions but it just wasted money and time of Pakistan playing to the gallery, same will be the end of this case money wasted end result will be Zilch

 

[RiazHaq]

Re: Who is Pakistan's Enemy Number One? Musharraf and the Military? Or the Taliban Terrorists?

Nothing will come out of this, just waste of time, SC had ample time in five years to give some solid decisions but it just wasted money and time of Pakistan playing to the gallery, same will be the end of this case money wasted end result will be Zilch

Can Pakistan afford this huge distraction when there are so many bigger and much more urgent problems demanding the attention of Pak leadership...problems like terrorists causing daily carnage? Load-shedding? Stagnant economy? Lack of investment?

http://www.riazhaq.com/2013/06/what-is-nawaz-sharifs-counter-terrorism.html

 

[Unlettered]

Re: Who is Pakistan's Enemy Number One? Musharraf and the Military? Or the Taliban Terrorists?

who is this puppy?

 

[rtabasum2]

Re: Who is Pakistan's Enemy Number One? Musharraf and the Military? Or the Taliban Terrorists?

Can Pakistan afford this huge distraction when there are so many bigger and much more urgent problems demanding the attention of Pak leadership...problems like terrorists causing daily carnage? Load-shedding? Stagnant economy? Lack of investment?

http://www.riazhaq.com/2013/06/what-is-nawaz-sharifs-counter-terrorism.html

We have been distracted long enough, I think we are used to it now:) rationally speaking it is case to be decided by SC whats the hue n cry, if somebody found guilty will be given punishment, end of story. Media as usual does not do its homework and saab ko truck ki batti kay pichay laga daita hai, there focus should be FP period

 

[VoteME]

Re: Who is Pakistan's Enemy Number One? Musharraf and the Military? Or the Taliban Terrorists?

Its either the blacks or the jews.. I have no proof but I am pretty sure its 1 of the 2.

When the cover-up is perfection at its peak, you wont find any proof.

 

[AsifAmeer]

Re: Who is Pakistan's Enemy Number One? Musharraf and the Military? Or the Taliban Terrorists?

Auright auright... they were gypsies

I think your sarcasm is not carrying over, i know you are just trying to get your kicks with a long lost wide eyed conspiracy lover.

But I think you can use your time for being a bit more creative.

 

[atensari]

Re: Who is Pakistan's Enemy Number One? Musharraf and the Military? Or the Taliban Terrorists?

وہ تینوں فریق بھی تمھاری طرح ڈبل گیم کھیل رہے ہیں ایک دوسرے سے ​

اور آپ ٹرپل گیم کھیل رہے ہیں
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[NasNY]

Re: Who is Pakistan's Enemy Number One? Musharraf and the Military? Or the Taliban Terrorists?

Auright auright... they were gypsies

Gypsies?, which ones, the Romani, Kuravar, Romanichal, Domba, Banjara, Lyuli, Narikurva, Zott, Nawar, Pavee, Loma, Bosha, banjara, Yienche.

Can you narrow it down for me.

Or in modern terms, everyone else on the planet. Don't tell me you are a misanthrope.

 

[Pukaar]

Re: Who is Pakistan's Enemy Number One? Musharraf and the Military? Or the Taliban Terrorists?

Pakistan's number one enemies are Pakistanis.. whether they are Pakistani Army, Pakistani Politicians, Pakistan Taliban, Pakistani Religious parties, Pakistani Bureaucracy, Pakistan Awaam... the common denominator is Pakistani..

 

[farooqak]

Re: Who is Pakistan's Enemy Number One? Musharraf and the Military? Or the Taliban Terrorists?

Pakistan's biggest enemy is not the army but bad generals who come into power

The army made us lose Bangladesh, big shame in Kargil and now they are not able to eliminate a 1 terrorist group in the country. God knows what ISI do. People are confused and a lot of people think that Tehreek Taliban is actually ISI agents, then why is ISI blowing up own country? God knows whats the truth behind this terrorism, but definitely Army has failed us to contain them

Our general always looks so submissive in front of America. He can't do anything against the drones as well. What good are those F16 is they are biting dust?

Our army loves to make golf courses, DHA property and now they even specialize in cornflakes. On my recent trip to Pakistan, every Army area and camp had a golf course sign as well. How can these people save us and protest us if they are enjoying golf?

 

[Respect]

Re: Who is Pakistan's Enemy Number One? Musharraf and the Military? Or the Taliban Terrorists?

The NO 1 enemy is political parties, PML N and PPP get joint position then comes MQM. The second biggest enemy is foreign groups such as CIA, Mossad and raw agents. Then come the terrorists such as TTP and like minded groups.

U compared Musharraf/army against terrorists. Then it will have to be terrorists obviously, despite I do not fully trust GK cannot say army is enemy of PK, it is just dumb decisions of them that let them down. As for Musharraf I think does love Pakistan, but the sept 11 after maths affected his legacy, he would have done better than he did. However what he did do was better than the likes of zardari and NS

 

[abdlsy]

Re: Who is Pakistan's Enemy Number One? Musharraf and the Military? Or the Taliban Terrorists?

Zardari/BB are so lucky they never get blamed for pakistans issues and from army to Mushy to Nawaz always get the heat, aik Zardari sub pae bhaa ree, true maybe(bigsmile)

 

[RiazHaq]

Re: Who is Pakistan's Enemy Number One? Musharraf and the Military? Or the Taliban Terrorists?

Here's a Reuters' story suggesting Sharif taking tough-line against militants under pressure from Pak military:

Sharif's tougher line signals that Pakistan's powerful military still has the upper hand in policy-making, despite hopes that the government would have a larger say after he came to power in the country's first transition between civilian administrations.

"Of course we want to try talks but they are a far off possibility," said a government official, who has knowledge of discussions between civilian and military leaders on how to tackle the Taliban.

"There is so much ground work that needs to be done. And when you are dealing with a group as diverse and internally divided as the Pakistani Taliban, then you can never be sure that every sub-group would honor talks."

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"Today it would be incorrect to say that the army has full control over policy making," said one retired senior army officer. "It is just fashionable to say the army doesn't let civilians work. Question is, do they want to work?"

But for now, when it comes to the Taliban, there is more confusion than clarity.

"On the ground there is no policy as such," said one senior police officer posted in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa region on the Afghan border. "Should I fight them or talk to them?"


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/23/us-pakistan-security-idUSBRE96M12Z20130723

 

[Respect]

Re: Who is Pakistan's Enemy Number One? Musharraf and the Military? Or the Taliban Terrorists?

Status quo which includes PML N, PPP and MQM are the Number 1 problem. Then it comes to terrorists whether it is foreign or internal groups, also awam who vote parties related to status quo. We also are the problem as well because we do wrong things. Army also has to be partly blamed as well for supporting status quo parties in the past. So there are many factors relating to who are the enemies of PK we all have to be blamed somehow.

But if we can get a decent leader who thinks of poor and wants to bring insaaf into PK, whether it is law and order, food for poor, education etc. A leader can bring the environment that is required to make PK better, but then ultimately it lies with us that we have to improve ourselves as well.

In simple words we are our own worst enemies and we need to improve ourselves and if we can do that then with the help of Allah we can do wonders for PK.

 

[Respect]

Re: Who is Pakistan's Enemy Number One? Musharraf and the Military? Or the Taliban Terrorists?

We the awam are too blame, u see all our instituations are a failure whether it be our politicians, police, sections of media, judiciary especially our beloved CJ and even to an extent our army. Now all of these people are pakistanies it is not if they have come from a foreign land or something. So these powerful people reflect our society. The way we are that is the kind of leader's that we will get. So there fore ultimately we the people are the reason we are in this mess. May Allah guide us to the right path and make PK a beautiful place to live in.

As for Musharraf or terror groups, I think our politicians come before them especially PPP, PML N and MQM.

 

[Raaz]

Re: Who is Pakistan's Enemy Number One? Musharraf and the Military? Or the Taliban Terrorists?

Quote Originally Posted by atensari View Post
بھائی جان کنفوز تو آپ ہیں جو امریکہ کے ساتھ مل کر اسی کے ایجنٹوں کے خلاف جنگ میں مصروف ہیں. ایسی جنگ جس میں دوست دشمن کا تعین ہی نہیں ہو سکا

وہ تینوں فریق بھی تمھاری طرح ڈبل گیم کھیل رہے ہیں ایک دوسرے سے ​

بارکے اس سے پوچھنا کہ اس کام میں جماعت اسلامی شامل نہی تھی کیا ؟
نو دس سال انہوں نے امریکہ اور مشرف کے ساتھ مل کر افغانیوں کو مروایا ہے ، اب یہ الزام کس پر دے رہی ہیں ؟؟؟

یہ کنفیوز نہی ، منافق لوگ ہیں
اور منافق دوسروں کو بھی کنفیوز کرنے کی کوشش کرتے ہیں

 

[tasbee00]

Re: Who is Pakistan's Enemy Number One? Musharraf and the Military? Or the Taliban Terrorists?

the people of Pak land themselves honestly speaking !

 

[RiazHaq]

Re: Who is Pakistan's Enemy Number One? Musharraf and the Military? Or the Taliban Terrorists?

Here's the untold story in the British Daily Mail of Pakistan's unsung heroes in the battle to save their countrymen from Taliban savages who are seen by some Pak politicians as "brothers":

Captain Qasim Abbas had finished a six-month stint fighting the Taliban close to the Afghan border and was heading home to get engaged when the militants struck, ambushing his convoy, pitching his vehicle off a 90-foot cliff and leaving him with brain injuries that make speaking and walking a daily battle.
Abbas and the other soldiers recovering at Pakistan's only military rehabilitation hospital are a testament to the human toll from Pakistan's fight against Islamist militants. Their plight receives little attention from Pakistani politicians, possibly because they are afraid of associating themselves with an unpopular fight that many citizens see as driven by the United States.
'Fight, fight, keep fighting,' Abbas said slowly but with purpose when asked if he had a message for his colleagues still battling the Taliban. He raised his fist in the air to drive home his point.

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Nearly 3,000 Pakistani troops have been killed fighting insurgents — more soldiers than NATO forces have lost in Afghanistan. Over 9,000 others have been wounded, many by buried bombs that blew off limbs and caused other life-altering injuries, the Pakistani military says.
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Abbas fought with paramilitary special forces in the Orakzai tribal area during the first half of 2010 and was awarded a commendation by Pakistan's army chief for his role in seizing a strategic hilltop, said the soldier's brother, Maj. Usman Abbas.
The tall and lanky former army basketball player grew out his hair and beard during his deployment so he could blend in among the locals in the mountainous region near the Afghan border, said Abbas' brother. But his luck ran out when he was ambushed on June 21 of last year as he was leaving Orakzai to meet his future wife.
The attack left Abbas in a coma for six months, but he is now driven to recover. He spends three hours every morning in the hospital's gym trying to coax strength back into his arms and legs and overcome partial paralysis on the left side of his body.

The most common injuries the rehab hospital has had to deal with have been from homemade bombs the militants bury throughout the tribal region, said the head of the institute, Maj. Gen. Akthar Waheed. These weapons also pose the greatest threat to U.S. troops in Afghanistan.
Captain Kaleem Nasar was part of an operation elsewhere in the northwest in January of this year when he stepped on a bomb. The explosion blew off one of his legs, and the other had to be amputated below the knee. He visited the rehab hospital recently so doctors could work on his artificial limbs.
Despite his injuries, he does not regret going to war against the Taliban and hopes he can return to active duty.
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Waheed contrasted the lack of political attention in Pakistan with a visit he made to Walter Reed Army Medical Center in the U.S. in April. He was there for only five days but saw a stream of officials and reporters come to the facility to meet with U.S. soldiers wounded in Afghanistan and Iraq, he said....
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The hospital hopes to expand its capacity to 150 beds in the next few years from 100 today, said Waheed. He hopes this expansion will be accompanied by greater appreciation of what the soldiers have gone through.
'Any person who has given his limb, say his right hand, what is left with him?' said Waheed. 'His suffering is for all of life.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rs-pride-country-s-rehabilitation-clinic.html