biomat said:Dear Malik495
Assalam-o-alaikum
Can u or some one from that website or from khatmay nabuwwat can produce newspaper clippings or any other proof of press conference of Maulana Sattar Niazi.. Is he alive till today. Why cant get his recent interview or press release.. Same from Jamatuddawah (as stated on the site) need their press release or interview.. I think the timing of coming that video is not good as it will hurt Zaid bhai a lot as the other side is well prepared now & rebuttal have come up.. I am curious to know what are Zaid bhai's plans for 23rd March 2010 & what will be other party's plans.. May ALLAH safe us from all fitnas either from inside or outside & give us wisdom to see who is right & who is wrong..
I am waiting for Zaid bhai's reply on this rebuttal..
Regards
very good philosophy [clap]Pathfinder said:Malik495 said:Naya jaal laye puranay shikari...
Zaid Hamid jo batain aaj media k saamnay krtay hain wo sunnany men buhat bhali lagti hain....deen-o-daanish ki batain ummat ki amanat hoti hain.. aur iss k bahtareen ameen Ulema-e-kiraam hain na k aisay log jo jazbaat ko garma kr mind ko apnay qabu men kr lain..zaid Hamid aaj media men jo kuch bhi kahta hay iss men buhat kuch sach bhi ho ga lakin inhi baton men buhat bareeki se Ulema-e-kiraam k khilaf aik mind set develop kr raha hay....Zaid sahib buhat lachay daar guftugu krtay hain aur yun lagta hay k jasay inn se ziada muhibb-e-watan shayad kahin bastay hi nahi...inn se ziada deen-e-islam ka kisi ko pata nahi.. Hamaray haan yeh riwayat ban gaee hay Ulema-e-kiram k khilaaf bakwaas karna... Dont forget k Yousuf Kazzab k khilaaf jo bhi fataawa jaat diye wo uss waqt k jayyad ulema-e-kiraam ne diye....lakin aaj yeh zaid hamid uss yousf kazzab ko baygunah qarar de raha hay...Yousuf Kazzab kon tha? watch this video .. the truth is out there..
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lI2ZgK4NHo&feature=related[/video]
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRjc2ooAJuA[/video]Malik495 said:Mr zaid hamiod is defending yusuf maloon that he didnt committed claim of Prophecy...and also he is claiming that only khabrain newspaper reported about yusuf.. But here is the evidence of all newspaper and other photocopies of yusuf maloon's reality...
click the link..
check page number 31 for fatwa of Khatm-e-nubuwwat Pakistan about yusuf maloon...
My dear brothers and sister this is not a joke... yeh eeman ki kasoti ka maamla hay kal ko hashar k din Khatim-ul-mursaleen (Sallah-o-alayhe wasallam ) k samnay kia moonh lay kr jayen gay....k ham aisay shakhs ki izzat krtay rahay jo khatm-e-nubuwwat k dushman ka muqaddma larta raha..
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18431812/Fitna-Yusuf-Kazzab" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This is a complete book which was published about this fitna included all documented evidence about yusuf maloon..Malik495 said:Mr zaid hamiod is defending yusuf maloon that he didnt committed claim of Prophecy...and also he is claiming that only khabrain newspaper reported about yusuf.. But here is the evidence of all newspaper and other photocopies of yusuf maloon's reality...
click the link..
check page number 31 for fatwa of Khatm-e-nubuwwat Pakistan about yusuf maloon...
well let me put it this way for you. if the scale was taken with the weight for bullshit on the left and facts was placed on the right. the scale would tilt right.
biomat said:Salam
First of all i would like to explain that neither i am follower of Zaid Sahab nor his hater. As zaid bhai said in video that there should be point of view from both sides.
So please read carefully all the materials posted in this site & decide urself what is right & wrong. I was searching for a video in which Zaid bhai admitted that he has to pay NEWSONE channel to air his program & he has bought airtime for this program, then i found this link.. If some one find that video do share here. Mean while wait for replies from other side to respond to Zaid bhai's recent video.
http://zaidhamidexposition.wordpress.co ... xposition/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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WALLAH ALAM..
Malik495 said:Need to read all those stuff not only visit.. pahlay eeman k tarazo ko iss qabil kr lo k jaiz najaiz ka farq maloom ho jaye..phir Ulama-e-kiram ko gaalian dena iss badbakht k saath mil k.......and dont you worry. Allah ki rassi buhat lambi hoti hay .. itni jaldi nahi maray ga yeh charb zuban...
:o :shock:gazoomartian said:by the way, why do we need a majlis to protect the Nabuwwat. Its not our worry to do it. Muhammed (s.a.w.) was Allah (swt)'s muqarrib banda and Nabi. Its Allah's job to protect. Eik mulk to sambhal naheen sakta, dawa kartey hein Nabuwwat sambhalney ka. Yeh sub khud gharz aur moqa parast hain. Do we have any army to protect Kaaba? Isnt His job to protect His house??
Saheeh kaha aapney 'pahlay eeman k tarazo ko iss qabil kr lo k jaiz najaiz ka farq maloom ho jaye'
butshikan said::o :shock:gazoomartian said:by the way, why do we need a majlis to protect the Nabuwwat. Its not our worry to do it. Muhammed (s.a.w.) was Allah (swt)'s muqarrib banda and Nabi. Its Allah's job to protect. Eik mulk to sambhal naheen sakta, dawa kartey hein Nabuwwat sambhalney ka. Yeh sub khud gharz aur moqa parast hain. Do we have any army to protect Kaaba? Isnt His job to protect His house??
Saheeh kaha aapney 'pahlay eeman k tarazo ko iss qabil kr lo k jaiz najaiz ka farq maloom ho jaye'
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Malik495 said:I have read this argument on this site and found it so helpful to understand Zaid Hamid the liar ..
1.He still defends Yousaf Kazzab and defends him through his Shariah Interpretation, implying thereby as if the Ulama of Khatam-e-Nabuwwat dont have any record on it.
2.He insulted the Ulama of Khatam-e-Nabuwwat by saying they were threatening the court, to pass judgement against Yousuf Kazzab.
3.He insulted the Ulama of Khatam-e-Nabuwwat by saying words like Maulvi beech phass gayee, Maulvi beech main ghusair diyee gayyee paisoon waisoon kay chakkar main. In other plain words, he accused Ulama of Khatam-e-Nabuwwat that they had wordly motives of money and again doesnt prove it.
4.He is totally misrepresenting facts. This has been replied as under:Q: Some people say that the Yusuf Kazab became a victim of Daily Khabrain Editor Zia Shahids enmity because Zia Shahid had some land/money dispute with Yusuf Kazab?A: Suppose, if this was the case, then leave Zia Shahid, and take rest of the evidences, which are too much, coming from too many sources, too strong and too crystal clear in nature. AMTKN challenges any one who have any proof that Yusuf Kazab did not claimed to be a prophet, please come forward and AMTKN will listen him/her carefully, analyze those proofs and will clarify its stance publicly with all those proofs and counter-proofs. Its an open challenge for any one.
5.He blamed the Ulama of Khatam-e-Nabuwwat by saying that they were bought by the Khabrain Akhbar. Again a lie which he has prefected from his predecessor Yousuf Kazzab
6.He consideres still Yousuf Ali not a Kazzab and considers him to be a Muslim and Scholar.
7.Regarding the issue of Maulana Abdul Sattar Niazi, Zaid Hamid is lying again. The following is the fact: (Br. Talha Saad)
It is a lie that Molana Abdus Sattar Niazi supported Yousf Kazzab.
A comrade of ours went to mulana Niazais students and they told him the real story. When Molana Abdus Sattar Niazi was very sick,in his last days Yusuf Kazzab went to him, grabbed his feet and started crying.
He told him that he was a true lover and slave of prophet(SA), and that he didnt declare prophecyin return molana replied a bench of ulema should be made to decide ur matterif you are masoom than you will be free and if you are proven wrong than you will be executed(he didnt say that yusuf didnt declare prophecy)
After that Yusuf altered this news and told the press as Zaid Hamid says it. The next day Molana Abdus Aattar Niazi condemned it and did a press conference that Yusuf Ali lied about him.
8.He said hell keep 9mm Pistol with him, well make a judge, whoever is proved wrong hell put a hole in his head.
9.Since, when the punishment of lying became death penality instead of lashes?
10.Calls that hell have the Ulama of Khatam-e-Nabuwwat hanged and lashed. Is this how a sensible person will talke Ulama of Khatam-e-Nabuwwat who defended this Ummah from the fitnah of Qadyanis and Gohar Shahis?
11.He doesnt want to clear himself from the Ulama of Khatam-e-Nabuwwat by excusing that there is no Islamic Law. With this excuse, the Qadyanis should be called Muslims as well, because there was no Islamic Law when they were called Kafir.
12.Accusing Ulama of Khatam-e-Nabuwwat of doing a naPak-Paleet Game-plan against him.
13.Called Ulama of Khatam-e-Nabuwwat as the most ghatiah (low) Maulvi on earth? Is this the adab and manners to those who defend Khatam-e-Nabuwwat of Prophet (s)?
14.Doesnt give any appropriate answer against from here he made all this Videos and who was sponser of it?
15.Calls Ulama of Khatam-e-Nabuwwat Bloody Liers.
16.Makes fun of their Beards, Imamahs and makes fun of Aalmi Masjlis e Tuhafzze-e-Nabuwwat. They will listen absues from me.
17.Calls Ulama of Khatam-e-Nabuwwat murderers (May be he is showing is anger of his False Prophet being murdered on them), accused lies ( Same case, defendsFalse Prophet Yousaf Kazzab).
18.Zaid Hamid become a Shariah Judge passes judgement on the Ulama of Khatam-e-Nabuwwat and says they should be punished by lashes.
19.Doesnt want to make this evidences on public. [It is public now]
20.He doesnt for the sake of Allah as well as Messenger (s), though being a Muslim we do things only for the sake of Allah.
21.Lies that Dr. Israr and other groups are with us. Dr. Israr and group already apologized for associating with him because he was not aware and personally he has met Zaid Hamid only two times.
22.Calls Ulama of Khatam-e-Nabuwwat corrupt and criminal. Accuses Ulama of Khatam-e-Nabuwwat of distorting Shariah and letting it apart.
23.Allah and Rasool say koi darta hai? ( A Muslim only fear Allah Alone). He has some freak concepts.
24.Doesnt recite the word of Allah correctly. It doesnt start with Tuminoona, it starts with Afa Tuminoona.
25.Khabrain Newspaper is famous blackmailer. Proofs? (Like this then every Newspaoer should be called blackmailer)
26.He doesnt even consider that it was blasphemy case, but rather goes against the judgement of court, saying it abused the law.
27.Doo takay kay Maulvi
28.He doesnt even consider Yousuf Kazzab and this is how he defends him still. Shariat rules dont implement on Yousuf Ali so we cant call him Kazzab.
29.Tells Ulama of Khatam-e-Nabuwwat that They can go to hell, called them liars, criminals. They have spoiled religion. Call them terrorists. Accused them that the TTP is behind the Ulama of Khatam-e-Nabuwwat. They are Fraud. They are not worth it.
30.Calls it Deobandi-Brailvi Issue
31.Called the document of Khatame-e-Nabuwwat as Bunch of Rubbish
32.He doesnt give a damn about the Maulvis ( Refering to Khatame-e-Nabuwwat Scholars)
33.Says that the High Court is threatend by Maulvis (Refering to Khatame-e-Nabuwwat Scholars)
34.Calls the Nizam Kufar ( If someone else would have said it, would not have been left like that)
35.Maulvis are corrupt and calls them Fasadi( Refereing again to Khatame-e-Nabuwwat Scholars)
36.Maulvis ( Refereing again to Khatame-e-Nabuwwat Scholars ) are told to behave. If they dont behave they will be prosecuted also. This is like making a Fasad.
37.Proud of his Media and says they are The Media.
38.There will be no security threat on us. We will threat these Maulvis. We havent done this yet, and they are coming on top of us just for nothing.
39.He seenms to defends his claiming of Prophethood, through mystercism and spirtuality.
To sum it up what he said, he holds respect the Ulama of Khatame-e-Nabuwwat as follows:
Maulvi, Maulvi Ghusair diyee gayee, Maulvi paisoon ke waja say andar aye, get lashes, naPak Paleet Plan of Maulvis, Ghatiah(low), Bloody liers, Makes fun of their Beards, Imamahs and makes fun of Aalmi Masjlis e Tuhafzze-e-Nabuwwat, abuses for them, murderers, fasadis, accusers, corrupt, criminals, destroyer of shariah, Do takay kay maulvi, They can go to hell, They are Liers, Fraud, Terrorists, Fasadi. They will be prosecuted if they dont listen to Zaid Hamid. Tells that hell threat the Maulvis.
[wall]gazoomartian said:butshikan said::o :shock:gazoomartian said:by the way, why do we need a majlis to protect the Nabuwwat. Its not our worry to do it. Muhammed (s.a.w.) was Allah (swt)'s muqarrib banda and Nabi. Its Allah's job to protect. Eik mulk to sambhal naheen sakta, dawa kartey hein Nabuwwat sambhalney ka. Yeh sub khud gharz aur moqa parast hain. Do we have any army to protect Kaaba? Isnt His job to protect His house??
Saheeh kaha aapney 'pahlay eeman k tarazo ko iss qabil kr lo k jaiz najaiz ka farq maloom ho jaye'
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App (ra) ney khud hi barey deendari aur Allah key khauf sey kya tha. What was the name of his party? Did he form any party? NOT
we shouldnt be comparing today's ulama-e-deen with Khulfa-e-rashedeen, terrible comparison. Today's Ualama, most of them any way, are tinted with political agenda or their parties are simply business or political
:o :shock:gazoomartian said:by the way, why do we need a majlis to protect the Nabuwwat. Its not our worry to do it. Muhammed (s.a.w.) was Allah (swt)'s muqarrib banda and Nabi. Its Allah's job to protect. Eik mulk to sambhal naheen sakta, dawa kartey hein Nabuwwat sambhalney ka. Yeh sub khud gharz aur moqa parast hain. Do we have any army to protect Kaaba? Isnt His job to protect His house??
butshikan said::o :shock:gazoomartian said:by the way, why do we need a majlis to protect the Nabuwwat. Its not our worry to do it. Muhammed (s.a.w.) was Allah (swt)'s muqarrib banda and Nabi. Its Allah's job to protect. Eik mulk to sambhal naheen sakta, dawa kartey hein Nabuwwat sambhalney ka. Yeh sub khud gharz aur moqa parast hain. Do we have any army to protect Kaaba? Isnt His job to protect His house??
Can you support your claims with Quran and Sunnah????
Just asking incase you r right then I can correct myself...
Thanks
biomat said:Dear Gazomartian bhai
Assalam-o-alaikum
Brother do try to take some time & read that link i posted earlier. Also try to pray 5 times daily regularly & ask ALLAH protection from all fitnas. Also after isha do pray salatul hajjat for true path.. Insha ALLAH , HE will guide you.. I am doing same now a days as more & more fitnas are coming. Dont know how we will handle real dajjal.. ALLAH hum sub ko imaan per rakhay. Aamin.
take care & jaza-k-ALLAH..
regards
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