Islam according to various scholars of islam from different groups.
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Dear brothers and sisters, please remember one thing islam is against sectarianism
003.102 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should be feared, and die not except in a state of Islam.
003.103 YUSUFALI: And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah's favour on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace, ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus doth Allah make His Signs clear to you: That ye may be guided.
013.011 YUSUFALI: .......... Allah does not change a people's lot unless they change what is in their hearts. But when (once) Allah willeth a people's punishment, there can be no turning it back, nor will they find, besides Him, any to protect.
006.159 YUSUFALI: As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.
010.057 YUSUFALI: O mankind! there hath come to you a direction from your Lord and a healing for the (diseases) in your hearts,- and for those who believe, a guidance and a Mercy.
These like verses in the quran leave us no room to be sectarians.
As for discussing matters relating religion or anything else for that matter. The first thing you all must realise is that you yourself are the judge or decision maker of whatever you believe or do.
Let me try and explain it a little. A human being is just a brain and senses. The brain gets all its information fropm its senses and senses get information from the environment within which we interact. The brain is just a logical processing unit that under normal functionality makes decision based on information it gets on the basis of the best reason it has to arrive at the decision.
No mawlana can force you to believe one thing or the other it is you who decide all the time. Other peoples' decisions are their own just like your decision is your own. All that happens is that you look at what others say and then form an opinion yourself based on your own reasoning as to which side in your opinion is right or wrong.
We have the first or fundamental rule of tafseer based on this principle ie the quran must be interpreted by itself first and foremost. Just think about it what it means.
It means that you read the quran, you understand the quran in sense of its words and meaning and then set verses on the same topic or issue or point through out the quran together and see that there is no contradiction in them. If there is a contradiction then you need to go back and use other meanings of the words in the verses and see if that removes any contradiction. If that does then your understadning of the quran is perfect ie it cannot be challenged.
Remember, the quran is a clear and a relaible text so don't try to understand it through less reliable or unreliable sources as the first thing.
The quran wants you to look at it yourself, why? because others can lead you in the direction against the quran. So one must educate one self reasonably so that one could judge the quran for oneself.
Tafseer of the quran by the quran is about understanding the quran youself, if you try and understand the quran through others then that is not going to be as relaible because the quran has warned us that there are bad people out there who claim to be mullahs who mislead others for their own ends. Jewish and christian bad mullahs are talked about in the quran.
Only if one understands the quran properly that ahadith will make sense. Remember tafseer by way hadith is only subordinate to the quranic tafseer by the quran.
Please read my thread pakistan, tribalism, islam and secularism and see what islam means or how it works.
Once we know that then talaaq and halaalah will make sense in its own context as the quran puts it.
Islam divides peoples' beliefs and practices into various parts in various contexts.
For example, some beliefs and practices are social (ie they involve or effect others beyond oneself) others personal (that do not concern others or effect others). However, there are also beliefs and actions that are both ie some beliefs and actions in some respect are social the while in other respects they are private. This is vitally important point to remember. To see whether a belief or practice or action is really private or social, we can see if it only effects ourselves or others as well beyond ourselves. Where effect is limited to ourselves that is private or personal but where effects is also on others in any way in that way that matter is social or governmental.
The other point to remember is that there are laws in any society to keep people organised because a society is an organisation of people workind together as a unit. The laws are there to keep the society running smoothly and people must know the laws so that they know what their duties are and what is unlawful so that they do not do illegal things because that will damage the society or totally destroy it. If there is no society, there is no law. The law is only there because some people want to live as a unit ie a family, a tribe, a country etc hence the need for local national and international regulations and laws etc. When people live as a unit there have to be some rules so that each and every person in that unit lives by them so that the society or unit continues its existence smoothly.
Likewise there are laws regarding marriage and divorce. These laws are very important part of a society. Islam tells us for state purposes how to get marriage and how to divorce, why? Because the state has to ensure that each person is given the rights and responsibilities or duties for proper interaction so that there is no trouble between people and if there is then there is some way of dealing with it so that society does not fall apart.
It will be a very disorganised way of life if any man ran arround with any woman. The children result from that will have no proper parenting as no one will be responsible for them and so humans will be living like animals and suffer unnecessary. In order to prevent such things happening laws became necessary and so people are held responsible for each other. The law of marriage and divorce is related to inheritence or legacy, child custody etc etc.
This is why unless a person has the knowledge of these things it will not make sense to him what the law of marriage and divorce is all about.
The quran is very clear about marriage.
1)The age of marriage.
004.006 YUSUFALI: Make trial of orphans until they reach the age of marriage; if then ye find sound judgment in them, release their property to them; but consume it not wastefully, nor in haste against their growing up. If the guardian is well-off, Let him claim no remuneration, but if he is poor, let him have for himself what is just and reasonable. When ye release their property to them, take witnesses in their presence: But all-sufficient is Allah in taking account.
This verse tells us that there is definite the age of marriage ie just like age when you can drive a car. Also there are conditions that people getting married must have sense of responsibiltiy and have the circumstances that they can raise a good family under normal circumstances and situations. Just as you can have your driving licence at an age you get the marriage licence but you must learn all that is related to marriage before you get married so that you do not end up killing each other.
004.019 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may Take away part of the dower ye have given them,-except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good.
This verse forbids marriage against will ie in islam child marriages are not allowed and nor are forced mariiages as far as the quran is concerned.
I explained the proper way to understand the quran before I started this because others wise people may have jumped to wrong conclusions about islam the way the quran explains it.
Here I have proven beyond a shadow of doubt that all the ahadith reports are false that tell us that the prophet married ayesha when she was 6 years old. Mullahs are to blame for bad reputation of islam but I shall leave that just now. Just accept the fact that not everything mullahs tell us as islam is in fact islam. This is why there are so many sects because we have been very irresponsible ourselves for getting our islam from others without thinking it through properly in light of the quran.
There is not a thing that is islam and it is not clarified fully by the quran. Even though mullahs tell us various thing even regarding marriage and divorce the quran is very clear to those who understand the context of the quran and the reality of the situation in this regard in the real world.
002.229 YUSUFALI: A divorce is only permissible twice: after that, the parties should either hold Together on equitable terms, or separate with kindness. It is not lawful for you, (Men), to take back any of your gifts (from your wives), except when both parties fear that they would be unable to keep the limits ordained by Allah. If ye (judges) do indeed fear that they would be unable to keep the limits ordained by Allah, there is no blame on either of them if she give something for her freedom. These are the limits ordained by Allah; so do not transgress them if any do transgress the limits ordained by Allah, such persons wrong (Themselves as well as others).
Let us see the context of divorce. It is very damaging if any society allowed anyone to marry and divorce at will. The society will become totally disorganised and a jungle. It is very important to register marriage with the state authorites, local , national or international. Why? So that others know you are man and wife and so you know your rights and responsibilities with respect each other and with respect to others parties eg people or governments etc and their rights and responsibilities with respect to you as man and wife. If you have any kids, relevant people also need to know that as well for the same reasons. If your son goes missing or your wife goes missing the only way you will be given attention is if you have a claim as a related person. If your brother is killed by some one, others will recognise your rights and responsibilty and you will know theirs. This is why human relationships must be known in the eyes of the law and its enforcers if anything is related in any way to others or effects others.
If we do not organise our soicieties according to some sort of rules then people will do as they please because there is no agreed way of life between them to stop them from doing anything for any reason. Likewise as people must inform authorities about their marriages they must do the same regarding their divorce. But they must not make marriage and divorce a child's play because this will totally destroy family structure which makes people a tribe that is necessary for living a reasonably good life. If poeple organise and work together they can achieve a lot whereas disorganised people cannot be free of infights over each and everything, having no time to make progress and so the only way is destruction or life worse than animals in the jungle. As men will try and take women and properties of others there will be a lot of killing for example. This shows not only you need to have laws but also the laws you have must be implemented properly.
To stop all damaging or destructive things islam shows people the way to do things in a civilised way. According to the quran a man is only allowed to divorce his same wife twice in his life time and he is also allowed to remarry her if she so wishes. The question is, why islam allows divorce? Islam allows divorce because a human can make mistakes and so one is given two chances to be able to make oneself sensible, so if one fails then one is not likely to be sensible in future either, so the permanent separation is ordered before these people do each other and the wider society some serious damage that all regret.
The point is, the quran first of all tells people, don't marry till you know what is involved in this and only marry if you think that you can be good husband and wife ie you have what it takes to be a good married couple. So if the people involvbed took this first step right then it is unlikely that they will ever go for divorce. However life is full of surprises and wisdom some times fails even the very wise, so divorce is a way out for people who may have become unhappy with each other for whatever the reasons. It is therefore better that they separate sensibly than live in misery. Once people separate wisely they may never need to get back together again but again separation may work on them and they may feel that their decision for divorce was not the wise one so they have two such chances to go with whatever they think is right for them.
If they change their mind within the idda then there is no need for remarriage but if they go beyond the time limit then they can remarry to be together again at any later time. This idda period is for two reasons. One that if woman is pregnant then she becomes known for that so that child responsibility could become clear for the father of that child and the state and two, so that the state is informed of this divorce but ssupends it till it is clear that people are really divorcing. Once divorce becomes permanent then state must be informed and the same needs to be done for birth of any child.
The state needs to know these things because the state has to issue licences, confirmations and verifications for the people so that wherever they may be, they do not have any problems. People travelling from one place to another need papers to prove things eg they are man and wife or the children with them are their own or the things they have are their own etc etc etc. So mullahs who have no sense how things work in the real world have messed up islam as much as they could and so there is no point people fighting over it but see if we can make sense of all this and sort it out.
The divorce with words has nothing to do with islam, it is about real process of divorce under the state law just like marriage and birth registration, divorce also needs to be properly witnessed and registered and people must carry the proof with them so that if need to be they could produce it. If a man and woman are travelling with each other and people catch them and accuse them of illegal sexual relationship what will be their way out? Or if a man and a woman are found together and they tell us they are married couple, how can we prove that they are not? If a woman marries a man, how do we know she is not already married? If she divorced, how do we know that if she has nothing to prove it with so that she could marry again? So one can see marriage and divorce is not a private matter and it cannot be. Any one taking it that way is out of his mind. This is why the need for witnesses for marriage and divorce or the official papers which could prove their relationship etc etc. You need proof to prove something belongs to you, your word is not enough under some circumstances.
002.282 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! When ye deal with each other, in transactions involving future obligations in a fixed period of time, reduce them to writing Let a scribe write down faithfully as between the parties: let not the scribe refuse to write: as Allah Has taught him, so let him write. Let him who incurs the liability dictate, but let him fear His Lord Allah, and not diminish aught of what he owes. If they party liable is mentally deficient, or weak, or unable Himself to dictate, Let his guardian dictate faithfully, and get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her. The witnesses should not refuse when they are called on (For evidence). Disdain not to reduce to writing (your contract) for a future period, whether it be small or big: it is juster in the sight of Allah.........
As for mullahs, many of them are paid by their masters to issue fatwas according to wishes of their pay masters. So a powerful and wealthy person who has paedophilic tendencies, can make such mullahs to justify paedophilia and so ignorant from then on think that is islam and so on.
This argument proves that the mawlanas in the videos are right to some degree but not totally. They too failed to realise the proper legal and social context of divorce. Disregarding state in legal matters is silly and wrong because islam does not override state laws and social conventions or tribal customs rather it reinforces them provided they are just and fair and are for the benefit of the unit of humanity.
Halaala mullahs need to educate themselves so that they could see their own mistake. Their whole understanding of islam in this regards is totally cut off from the reality. They are only and only thinking about sex as an issue, which it is not. This is issue of social unit ie family. How this unit should come into existence and how it should continue and if unfortunately it cannot then how to limit the damage to people involved and the wider society is the point.
Just as mullahs are wrong about paedophilia and call it islam so they are wrong about purpose of halaala ie if a woman married some one else properly legally after proper legal divorce and then he divorces her again properly legally and then if exhusband and exwife come togther again proper legal way then that mariage is fine.
The quran forbidds lusting ie any man running after just any woman. This is in fact sign of sexually suppressed society where people are forcefully made to do things against their will for whatever reason. If you do not like anyone to force you to breath in things you do not like to breath in, if you do like anyone to force you to drink things you do not like to drink, if you do not like anyone to force you to eat things you do not like to eat then why should poeple let anyone force them to marry anyone against their will? What you do not like you do not like and no one can force anyone to like something because this is a natural process. So muslims must learn and know what is wrong and fight against ills in the name of islam in their societies so that the muslim world becomes a better world.
The ignorant mullahs are opening the door for protitution in the name of islam by way of halaala ie a bad man can agree with a like minded woman that we will work together as man and wife to make money. I will sell you to different men in the name of halaala this way we will not be caught for the offence of protitution. This could prove very damaging for society if not destructive. Also mullah halaala forces women to develop taste for sex with different men and that in itself is very dangerous for family unit. Having a well thought out marriage and divorce is different from mullahs sense of marriage and divorce. It is not fault of woman if man divorces her the mullah way so why put her through something that is not even her fault?
regards and all the best.
